DON'T USE TRIM NAILS! Try These Instead...(TRIM HEAD SCREWS / TRIM SCREWS--Easy Woodworking Screws)
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DON'T USE TRIM NAILS! Try These Instead... (TRIM HEAD SCREWS / TRIM SCREWS--Easy Woodworking Screws)
Trim nails can be tricky to drive by hand, and most new DIYers are yet to purchase a nail gun. Also, full-head screws can be overkill for many delicate woodworking/carpentry projects. This short video from The Honest Carpenter will show you the miracle of TRIM SCREWS!
Trim screws are essentially just screws with a much smaller head, similar to the head of a trim nail. This allows the head to sink beneath the surface of lumber without trying to displace so much wood.
Full head screws are prone to SPLITTING lumber, even at times when you pre-drill and countersink (as you always should).
Trim head screws will often snug their way in beneath the surface of softwoods without causing this splitting. For this reason, they're also easier to drive.
Trim head screws typically have a square slot, or star slot for bits (phillips and flathead bits just won't fit in the tiny head). Also, they tend to be in the #1 gauge, as opposed to the typical #2.
Trim screws are now made in a variety of finishes--similar to drywall screws, decking screws, and cabinet grade screws.
If you're tackling finer work, don't worry about hand nailing with finish nails. And don't try to drive full head screws in small delicate spaces. Just give trim screws a try!
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And this, my friends, is why I slowly walk along every shelf in the hardware store several times a year.
Looking at every item to see if something new and exiting has turned up.
This is the first time hearing anything about trim screws and I'm not exactly a stranger to residential construction or DIYing stuff. Appreciate the video!
You're welcome, HAL!
GOT THAT RIGHT BROTHER
Because nobody uses them because trim nails work better.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP but in commercial building with steel framing, you have to use those screws for all the trim work, it sucks because it takes forever but you get a good end result.
@@Billybob-go8hn Sterling, you do realize what he is showing is a Wood Fastener, not a Sheet Metal Fastener? I know that you can "make" them work on steel framing, like someone can use a "butter knife" as a screwdriver, but it takes so much longer ... kind of like what you mentioned in your comment.
One of the most helpful channels I've discovered on You Tube. This guy knows his stuff, is articulate, concise, and to the point. I'm learning a ton from him. Many thanks.
First time I heard, thank you “i needed “ that
Love your tips and delivery, no bs, no chatting, no joke, pure facts? Keep it up
Used them to hold cabinets together through the sides of the faceframes for 4 decades.
I did the same when remodeling my kitchen 4 yrs ago. Very easy to use!
Same here...
Same here.
I'm over sixty .. and I remember as a child, helping my dad build a library shelf system from 3/4x12 pine boards. They still hold strong in my brother's home.
I also remember my dad cussin about how 'damned expensive' they were back then (and they still are now)!
I discovered trim screws, about 10 years ago, from a company I found on-line. I requested a catalog and once I got it, I found the trim screws. Looked like a good idea so I bought some. They are great! I am a glue-a-holic; so I use glue on all my joints with the trim screws. Never had a problem and the joints never fail. I also use them for 45 cornered cabinet doors. I do not trust just biscuits in the 45, so I biscuit, glue, then when dry I add a finish screw. Makes a small enough hole to easily fill and hide. If I am staining, I mix the wood filler with the stain until the filler is colored. Blends in better when I stain the piece. I also use them when I put on the backing in cabinet boxes. If I need to remove the backing for whatever reason, it is easy to do with the screws. Then once I am satisfied with the build, I use glue with the screws, to affix the backing. Now I can find these screws at the local big box, so I no longer purchase them on-line. Nice video. Glad people like to share their knowledge.
These would have saved my marriage if I had known about them.
Judging from your comment, it doesn’t seem as though you had much of a marriage to begin with.
@@rrbb36 nope. There are few humans who offer much less can provide any more than a surface relationship. I'm just going to hire a woman next time and have a contract and pay schedule. That's less cortisol in my blood
@@jukeboxhero1649 oh dear good luck with that 🤞now back to nails....
Lol
You could always try to screw your way back into that relationship.
I'm really glad that I came across this. I just replaced my worn out carpet with vinyl flooring. Instead of having to drive half an hour to borrow my brother in laws nail gun, I can just finish the job and call it a day. Thank man!
Ethan: I suscribed a few days ago to your channel, and I dont know nothing about carpentry, but you make want to learn with your explanations.
This is the third video I watch and I am sure will help me in the future. Thanks a lot
You're welcome, Juan, thank you for subscribing! I'll keep the videos coming!
When I saw this I started nailing everything together.
In 2011 I completely rebuilt the front porch of my house from the ground up. I replaced the rotted out 4" tongue/groove with composite decking. I used square drive color matched trim head screws to secure the decking. They were great and the porch looks as good now as it did in 2011. I am a big fan of torx drive screws, but until I saw this video, never gave trim screws much of a look. I will now. Thanks for the video.
You're welcome, Steve! I like Torx as well. That decking is going to last you a good, long while :)
I remember when torx drive screws first came out. Everyone hated them because the drivers were so brittle. Only type of screw I use now.
Totally agree!! I discovered these about six months ago. You can also get them in white, which means sometimes you don't even have to cover them over.
As usual , Thumbs up before watching the entire video because I know the info will be important and well presented . Watching a couple more times was validation . Watching "home improvement " on television teaches ZERO . The Honest Carpenter would be a smash hit on television .
Thanks Bro and say HOWDY to Ross for me . ATB
Thank you Quantum, as always! That's what I love about TH-cam--it lets you get down into the nitty gritty details, stuff that TV doesn't always have time to delve into. But, I'd take my shot on the TV stage, if it ever came. 😆 Ross says hello!
@@TheHonestCarpenter THX and ATB .
I've used trim screws on occasion for out door projects but never really thought about them in these applications. Thanks to you, these little nuggets will have permanent home in my arsenal! Thanks! Great video!
I found these a couple of years ago and love them for certain projects, I found they hold really well.
You are articulate, well-spoken, and thorough in all of your videos.
Thank you, Richard! I try to do my best on each video 🙂
I use trim screws as “hooks” for my license plate collection because their narrow heads allow me to slip my plates on and off of the display. Other screws, with wider heads, won’t allow this movement because the plate screw holes are too small. I use the 3 1/8 length screws which allows me to place ten or more plates per set of two screws.
First time hearing/Learning about these trim screws. Now my wife is enjoying videos from the honest carpenter also. Thank you.
Always looking for ways to improve my work. Heard about trim nails but not screws. Appreciate all the tips you provide.
I am binge-watching your videos. This is the first time hearing about trim screws and the first time I have found you. Sadly my go-to guy in my neighborhood is just too busy to teach me these important things. Uh, you must be my new go-to guy! Thanks for the videos.
Been doing home renovations for a year and haven't heard about them. Thanks for the tip!
Great video. I somehow stumbled across trim screws in the past several months and they’ve been a game changer for me. I do have an 18G brad nailer but for simple butt joints I follow that with trim screws. I find that pre-drilling is not needed in my plywood projects, but it’s still a good idea when I work with poplar. Your mileage may vary, of course.
Love them! I can’t afford a nailer and I am really lousy at driving small or thin nails with a hammer. So these things have saved me a lot of time and headaches.
I'll repeat what is evidently the most common response, I had no idea these existed. I am facing out my kitchen cabinets and was looking for a video about trim nails and countersinking. Now I'm stoked for these! Thank You!
Never heard of trim heads. Love your channel. Sharpening my skills!
Having JUST used those the other day, I have to admit they are perfect for those applications where you are looking for more control than finish nails give a typical DIY guy along with greater holding power. Thanks for sharing the message to others!
I'm so glad i discovered these a few years ago. They are the BEST!!! I call them carpenter screws
I first saw them when we had our house built. Liked the idea as soon as I saw it. They are what holds our stair rails together.
Used them on my deck a couple of years ago with a tool that drove the deck planks at a 45 degree on the edge of the board so that you don't see the screws on your deck boards. Love them!
For years, I took the easy extra step when using standard finish nails. Pre drilling, and nail setting. If you treated every board like oak (pre drill top material), it may take some extra time, but outcome is guaranteed to be perfect. No blowouts, dents, marring, etc. They are a heck of a lot cheaper than trim screws, obviously. Also, probably the easiest holes to fill. I do like trim screws, but I reserve them thick trim details. I remember being introduced to trim screws a few years back. Attaching decorative brackets to an exterior. Amazing for sure.
yup, i always drill a pilot hole. it may also get you out of some bad situations in which you either A) thought something was there (but wasn't) behind what you were trying to fasten or B) there was something unexpected there, like another nail or a screw... usually moving down another half inch solves the problem, as well as the headache of a bent-in-half nail...
Brother! You just read my mind!!! I needed this answer to the question I hadn't asked yet!! Thanks
I'm a DYIer Never heard of trim screws. I will be helping my son-in-law build a low level deck off his concrete patio. I will suggest these screws in lieu of the of the larger head screws on the deck. Should look great. Thanks for the advice and please keep the videos coming.
Trim screws and trim deck screws are new to me. I'll be going over to the hardware stores tomorrow to take a look. I like to have an array of different size and type of fasteners in my workshop, so I'll be bringing some home. Thank you for this heads-up video.
I've been using this for my DIY projects for a while and they are amazing. I did some baseboard work a few years ago and wish I knew about them back then. So much easier to screw in vs. hammering a finish nail. I beat up some tile while trying to hammer in finish nails.
As a Carpenter for over 30 years; I just smile...I remember when trim screws were invented...They're great for joining cabinet to cabinet rails... I did commercial for years. Wood base and case ALWAYS got trim screws...Now we just use adhesive caulks and trim nail gun... More'n it needs...:)
I have been doing different DIY and wood projects has a hobby for a few years. Thank you for this tip.
I watch all of your videos you do a remarkable of explaining details.Keep em coming.
Thanks for sharing your skills, worth while trying self tapping countersink screws too. I’m going to give these a try as an alternative, thanks again👍
Nailed it! As a pro, Residential GC, GRK is my go-to whenever needed. When a nail gun won’t fit a confined area, a modern screw gun often will. If I can’t quite get the angle on a screw, I carry a 6” & 12” driver extension in my tool belt.
First time I've heard of them. Can't even tell you how many hours of my life have been spent in that aisle of EVERY store I've ever purchased at and never saw them. I do alot of finish work where these would be perfect and I WILL be looking for them on my next trip. TY!!!
If you can find one try a nail spinner if you haven't ever heard of one they work great
I’ll try these, first time hearing about there use in trim applications. Thanks.
They are becoming more available here in Australia. I look out for them and glad you posted this as it all helps improve the demand to what is a vast improvement on old technology.
Seen em but didn't know their deal.
Also love when he shakes his hand for things not to do.
What a great show.
I found these years ago and they are by far the best thing ever. If you are painting the project they are invisible when finished.
This is the first I’ve heard of trim screws! Thanks!
They are great to work with when needed. When working on old homes, walls often are warped and trying to secure trim with nails won't cut it. These will lower the amount of caulking needed.
Great suggestion for a project I'm planning right this minute. I had never heard of these! Thanks for the timely tip!
I love em. Started using them for latest project and am hooked.
Thanks. I agree they are a great product. Been using them for years. I just finished using 1000 trim screws to attach sheets of plywood to my garage walls. I first learned about trim screws when installing crown molding where nails didn’t hold.
I have never considered these. Used them on composite decking but never even looked for ones that I could trim with! Thank you!
I had SEEN these, but had never realized their value, which comes as a significant revelation making this a very worthwhile video and the first one (despite having watched a few of your videos) where I clicked "subscribe."
Great video!
I’ve kind of known about that, but haven’t had need to try the finishing screws out, and didn’t really know if what I thought I knew was correct. Your perfect video has confirmed much of what I thought, added to it, and made things nice and clear. I’m really impressed by your videos in general, good stuff!!
Thank you 😊
Great point on trim screws. I didn’t know their value and their application till now. Thanks
You were the greatest help! I was one person that never knew about trim head screws! I used these to make repairs on my wooden fence gate and installing the fence panels with these were perfect! It made my work look like it was professionally done after I've countersink them in. I'm very impressed. I got the 600 pk because I knew these are great for trim or base renovating that we plan to do in the near future. I'm just satisfied! Sorry for the lengthy post but thank you again!
Thanks, Will! Glad to hear it worked so well for the fence 🙂
I have doing home projects for years and your video is the first I have heard about trim screws. Thanks
They're much overlooked, Sherman. I try to make videos on things that people in construction take for granted or fail to mention, but which aren't in common usage. The more I think of it, there are a ton of them, like trim screws. I'm glad this was helpful!
I'm 61 years old, going to take up carpentry in technical school in January 2021. Will you be my mentor?
I love trim screws. It wasn’t very long ago that I started using them and they’re great.
I was struggling with this issue and this is a great solution. Thanks!!!
Never heard of trim screws, but I wish that I had. Thanks for the education.
Thank you for this tip on screw nails! The episode on the 18GA Brad nail gun was great. I've been looking to decide on one and wanted to know which to purchase. Porter Cable is what I'll choose!
I just moved into an apartment in a 100 year old house. (By just, I mean the movers left 20 minutes ago). A lot of trim is loose and a bracket on a wood cased window is half off. This will work great.
I hope you can make an arrangement with the leaser to be reimbursed for materials and labor . Many will work with you . ATB
That's great to hear, bulldog. In most cases, those trim boards will draw right in with trim screws. As quantum said, hopefully you're landlord will give some remuneration too.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have used trim head screws for years. They are great…. Every wood worker and carpenter should add them to their arsenal of fasteners!
Thank you sir, this is the first time I am hearing about these trim screws, very helpful advice.
Been using them for years. Most other carpenters and diyers don't have a clue when I've suggested them. Good vid info !
Ever hear of a NAIL SET ? master carpenter.
A nail what?
@@TheHonestCarpenter exactly.
This is super helpful for my project I was stressing over. Thanks!
Have never seen or heard of these before. Thanks for the info!
38 year Carpenter here; I've been using these screws for well over 25 years, I started using them when they first came out! (Look that up) Love 'em!
Would these be good for crown molding and door and window frames? Any tips to stop splits
@@donhixon1669 they're good for any type of trim application including connecting cabinet mullions. The trick to keeping ends of trim from splitting is pre-drilling holes. Trim screws would require a drill bit smaller than 1/8 tho, 7/32 or 5/32. Trim nailers usually don't split wood open if the depth setting is on point. Another trick for not splitting wood, if you're using hand nails, is to hammer the tip of the nail a little bit flat prior to nailing it into the wood.
That explains what those assorted square bits in my bit collection are for. Thanks for the info.
I use all of the above every day. Another benefit of the trim screw is pulling in the wood and it is much stronger than a brad nail.
Um u realize when a earth quake happens the screw rip right off and the nail dont they are more flexible
@@brianbecerra9735 he's talking about putting trim on a wall, not building a house with trim screws lol.. brad nails aren't known for their strength exactly.. framing nails yes..
You just saved me a bunch of extra time and frustration as my brad nailer broke in the middle of a project. Now I can at least finish the door that was already torn apart while I’m figuring out where this one last mystery piece goes in the nailer 🤔
I’m so glad I came across this vid, no idea these were a thing!
NEVER HEARD OF THEM THANK YOU GOING 2 BUY THEM NOW.
As a late starter to woodworking, you are a mega headache saver!
Just bought some to trim in a window...amazing
I've been using trim screws for years. They work great.
Love your videos. Short and to the point. Thanks for the great tips.
Great information. I'll be picking some up my next trip to HD. Thank you for sharing this!
Never heard of them until now. I'm definitely going to get a box and give them a go. Thanks for the tip.
Never knew!… fantastic and perfect timing, I am about to start a project that will benefit greatly from the use of these screws! Thank You!!!
They are great I've always loved them especially for prehung doors
Great information. I have used square head trim screws for years, and they work great, If I have a lot of trim to do, I also have a Ryobe battery operated trim nailer - works great too.
This past summer I built a side table with trim screws. It took some practice to drill them in because the head was so small but it came out great.
a great discovery & alternative for an old handyman... thanks!
I Have Never Seen Trim Screws Before Thanks For Sharing & Stay Safe
Exactly what I need as I'm doing my first quarter round job thanks a lot man
Love these. Discovered them about the same time I learned about square heads.
I’ve used these to fix an old squeaky wood floor (that was painted, not stained for what it’s worth). Find the joist and then drive them in at a 30-40 degree angle while standing on the board. One room took ~50 screws but it is so much quieter and that was years ago!
Wow! First time I am hearing about trim screws. I will definitely be giving them a try.
I purchased some years ago to install chair rail on a very bowed wall. They served well for that project. I still have quite a few left, but almost never have occasion to use them.
Thank you so much for this recommendation! I had to remove the brick mold from a prehung exterior door for my moms house to trim it down for her install. Was not looking forward to nailing it back up without a nail gun.
Good tip. I don't like regular trim nails primarily because the part can't be removed without damaging the part itself or the area around it. So a trim screw with possibility of removal is much preferred. Basically, the trim screw has an "undo" option whereas trim nails don't! LOL.
I'm a so-so DIY'er and need all the help I can get. Thanks for the tip. I'll try them on my next project.
Very cool... Saw them, but never used. I definitely will get some for my next project!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
I had never heard of these, what a great product. Will definitely try some.
Great news on these trim screws I know I will truly enjoy them
I consider myself an above average DYI'er. I'm handy and do a lot of work myself. I've seen trim head screws before, but never gave them much thought and always reached for regular drywall or deck screws. I wish I would have "known" about these earlier. I do now and thanks for educating me!
Great information. I didn't realize that trim screws even existed.
Another first, thanks to Ethan. I'll pick up a box and keep them handy just in case.
Installing a fireplace surround tomorrow and this is a great timely idea! Thanks much
Perfect use for them, Herbert!
Never heard of them, but this is just in time as I have to install a bunch of base board.
Just saw two of your videos and I found them really helpful. I’ll definitely be getting so trim screws. Those seem to be great. I didn’t know about them.
All the information I get from your videos are helpful!! Thank you and keep up the good work! 👍👍👍😎🇨🇱
Yes these screws are super handy and my wife wanted a super heavy duty key and small kitchen tool holder so I used the colored trim screws of different colors to denote where the keys went and the tools on another part of the routered hard wood. It looked beautiful and the screws will hold everything from a big key ring to a pipe wrench~!!