Yeah, to say it was invented by slave traders to beat Africans when it's even referenced in the bible and Roman histories 2000 years ago shows a real lack of research
Keelhauling sounds absolutely horrendous, desperately longing for air as your back is shredded by barnacles, all while the salt in the water only magnifies the agony. What a nightmare! Also the form of execution where the pirate was tied to a stake at low tide and simply left there. There would be plenty of time for the condemned to think about their fate, and I imagine those last few frantic minutes as the water slowly rose to cover their gasping mouths had to be positively terrifying.
Scalp first, ears next, eyelids, followed by eyes, eyebrows, cheeks(and just keep picking away at the flesh and stuffing in their mouth) Idk if that's what the commenter meant, but off the top of my head(no pun intended) that's how I imagine I would do it lol
There are several accounts of mutineers turned pirates throwing those who didn't join overboard. Keelhauling is referenced to the navies, specifically the Dutch, not to pirates.
My guess with a lot of these videos is that keelhauling actually existed and provides a lot of shock for people, but there is little evidence pirates ever employed it. I say little because it did exist in the time period, so there is always a chance, but I've never seen a single account confirming it. There are loads of other things that did happen.
The Royal Navy kept meticulous records of punishments (because you want to know who the trouble-makers are) and there is not a single recorded case of keelhauling since the navy was instituted in 1546. People just believe that the navy did it, because they've seen 'Mutiny on the Bounty', and don't realise it's based on the NOVEL of the same name, not the actual historical event.
How can a book, written by someone who saw it is infinitely more accurate than a ‘historian’. Also ‘walking the plank’ could be used to mean, push him of the top rail. A board may have used so the body didn’t bounce down the side of the ship
Keelhauling , seems like a lot of effort, but then I suppose there wasn't much to do so I dunno, it just seems a bit pointless when you could just hoy em overboard
Gibbets were used as an example. You weren't always dead, but whether you were or not you could always depend on birds for company; for whatever reason, the birds had a special fondness for eyeballs. Being 'locked in Irons' was the most humane punishment. You had only to relax down in the bowels of the ship. I refer to this part of the ship as the 'bowels' because aside from black rats you also could enjoy the dead-still and oppressive air. Entirely dark with no widows and no fresh air, not even occasionally. And to ensure that you enjoy your stay, the 'bowels' of the ship was a preferred destination for the crew to relieve themselves, all this made for a pretty bad smell. The Cat-o'-Nine' was worse than you might suppose. The design varied, it could resemble a simple flay, or the 'tails' could be studded with glass, shells, nails, shards of metal. So the result, depending on the number of lashes or the zeal of the one delivering the punishment, could be anything from welts to the actual removal of flesh. Hanging wasn't the same as what you've seen in pictures. The person is hung-up without breaking the neck so that death comes, not by lack of blood to the brain or the quick snapping or break in the neck, but by very slow strangulation; this could be longer than twenty minutes. Keel-hauling wasn't punishment, it was execution. Surviving this experience was very rare. You were first stripped to the waist and bound. And you were not dragged under the width, but the entire ship's length. If you weren't cut to ribbons by the razor sharp shelled creatures attached to the underside of the ship, you met the same fate as just about everyone that preceded you, you drowned. Mutilation was of the face. Ears were cut-off, the nose was slit open, the lips might be taken-off, or you might be branded; usually it wasn't via hot iron but via badly scaring the face. Blinding for some reason wasn't usual, though some unfortunate prisoners of war were deliberately blinded. Marooning was used by both Pirates as well as Governments. And the location was almost always an island, the smaller the better. It wasn't always uninhabited, but usually was. There would be little hope of shelter or foraging, and if there were any snakes or predators, this was a bonus. What was left with the person was up to the ship's captain, Some food and a little water enough for about three days or so. A pistol with a single load might be left to add to psychological torture. Sometimes you'd be left completely naked. Escaping was almost never possible. Exposure, dehydration, starvation and madness were your fate. The fate of combatants could be imprisonment or slavery, exile or crippling, mutilation or execution. Punishment of any kind almost always meant death. Torture also would most certainly eventually mean death. Whether psychological or physical, the aim of torture was to inflict as much pain as possible for as long as possible. I really don't think that most people could understand the actual severity, pain, or the suffering that a prisoner in these earlier times endured; I should say that people actually died - not endured these things. Stats and living conditions tell of numbers and horrors that people today just could not fathom let alone understand. It's just not possible. To read a page of historical accounts or watch a video or listen to a podcast is an entirely different world. It is not possible to compare a movie or TV show with any of these realities.
the earliest example of keelhauling is in 700 bc with the greeks in the rhodian maritime code edit: also according to my dad who served in navy as a dc man during gulf war flogging or the cat and nine tails was used during his time in basic as hazing
I can't imagine why someone who's squeamish would follow this channel. I think that the nature of piracy would rather imply fighting, brazen activities and diseases of the "lewd, wrathful and those at sea for extended periods..."
I didn't know this channel existed. Very happy for more content.
The cat of nine tails has been used for over thousands of years. Romans loved it.
Yeah, to say it was invented by slave traders to beat Africans when it's even referenced in the bible and Roman histories 2000 years ago shows a real lack of research
For a channel who does a lot of research - it is kind of odd he didn't get that one right.
@@corail53revisionist history
@@rheverend
AKA bullsh¡t.
Ooooo I can tell this is going to be a great video!!
Great documentaries mate!!! Oh yea it’s pronounced Wopping not Wapping 😉👍
Spiffing video well done thank you
Mmm yes quite spiffing good sir. Quite.
Keelhauling sounds absolutely horrendous, desperately longing for air as your back is shredded by barnacles, all while the salt in the water only magnifies the agony. What a nightmare!
Also the form of execution where the pirate was tied to a stake at low tide and simply left there. There would be plenty of time for the condemned to think about their fate, and I imagine those last few frantic minutes as the water slowly rose to cover their gasping mouths had to be positively terrifying.
You know why pirates are so tough ??
Well they just aaaarrr !!!!!
My dad randomly brought up keelhauling over a vacation lmao
Best film describing pirate punishment is Yellow beard, apparently he forced his victims to eat their own heads
🤷♀️ how exactly would you do that??
@@chichi775 something to do with yoga
Scalp first, ears next, eyelids, followed by eyes, eyebrows, cheeks(and just keep picking away at the flesh and stuffing in their mouth)
Idk if that's what the commenter meant, but off the top of my head(no pun intended) that's how I imagine I would do it lol
@@nignamedmutt7270 omg!!
Definitely worth a watch! That movie is wild 😂
There are several accounts of mutineers turned pirates throwing those who didn't join overboard. Keelhauling is referenced to the navies, specifically the Dutch, not to pirates.
The only accounts I have ever found outside of outright fiction have been naval.
My guess with a lot of these videos is that keelhauling actually existed and provides a lot of shock for people, but there is little evidence pirates ever employed it. I say little because it did exist in the time period, so there is always a chance, but I've never seen a single account confirming it. There are loads of other things that did happen.
The Royal Navy kept meticulous records of punishments (because you want to know who the trouble-makers are) and there is not a single recorded case of keelhauling since the navy was instituted in 1546. People just believe that the navy did it, because they've seen 'Mutiny on the Bounty', and don't realise it's based on the NOVEL of the same name, not the actual historical event.
That video length though... 😂
Are you the 'Medieval Madness'- guy?? 😊
he is
What the hell with the origin of the cat 'o' nine tails. Calls all your info into question.
Lesson learned: don’t be a pirate.
No no no. Lesson is don’t get caught being a pirate 😂😂😂
But rum though
You sound like my careers officer
Just don't get caught.
How can a book, written by someone who saw it is infinitely more accurate than a ‘historian’. Also ‘walking the plank’ could be used to mean, push him of the top rail. A board may have used so the body didn’t bounce down the side of the ship
Grisley indeed. Something very wrong with humans. Wapping is pronounced WOPPING like topping.
Cause maiming your property is a good economic idea!
Keelhauling , seems like a lot of effort, but then I suppose there wasn't much to do so I dunno, it just seems a bit pointless when you could just hoy em overboard
there aint alot of entertainment back then, even public hangings was a all day event that people would party at.
Some say it derives from the European practice of dunking people in water as a punishment.
Gibbets were used as an example. You weren't always dead, but whether you were or not you could always depend on birds for company; for whatever reason, the birds had a special fondness for eyeballs.
Being 'locked in Irons' was the most humane punishment. You had only to relax down in the bowels of the ship.
I refer to this part of the ship as the 'bowels' because aside from black rats you also could enjoy the dead-still and oppressive air. Entirely dark with no widows and no fresh air, not even occasionally. And to ensure that you enjoy your stay, the 'bowels' of the ship was a preferred destination for the crew to relieve themselves, all this made for a pretty bad smell.
The Cat-o'-Nine' was worse than you might suppose. The design varied, it could resemble a simple flay, or the 'tails' could be studded with glass, shells, nails, shards of metal. So the result, depending on the number of lashes or the zeal of the one delivering the punishment, could be anything from welts to the actual removal of flesh.
Hanging wasn't the same as what you've seen in pictures. The person is hung-up without breaking the neck so that death comes, not by lack of blood to the brain or the quick snapping or break in the neck, but by very slow strangulation; this could be longer than twenty minutes.
Keel-hauling wasn't punishment, it was execution. Surviving this experience was very rare. You were first stripped to the waist and bound. And you were not dragged under the width, but the entire ship's length. If you weren't cut to ribbons by the razor sharp shelled creatures attached to the underside of the ship, you met the same fate as just about everyone that preceded you, you drowned.
Mutilation was of the face. Ears were cut-off, the nose was slit open, the lips might be taken-off, or you might be branded; usually it wasn't via hot iron but via badly scaring the face. Blinding for some reason wasn't usual, though some unfortunate prisoners of war were deliberately blinded.
Marooning was used by both Pirates as well as Governments. And the location was almost always an island, the smaller the better. It wasn't always uninhabited, but usually was. There would be little hope of shelter or foraging, and if there were any snakes or predators, this was a bonus. What was left with the person was up to the ship's captain, Some food and a little water enough for about three days or so. A pistol with a single load might be left to add to psychological torture. Sometimes you'd be left completely naked. Escaping was almost never possible. Exposure, dehydration, starvation and madness were your fate.
The fate of combatants could be imprisonment or slavery, exile or crippling, mutilation or execution. Punishment of any kind almost always meant death. Torture also would most certainly eventually mean death. Whether psychological or physical, the aim of torture was to inflict as much pain as possible for as long as possible.
I really don't think that most people could understand the actual severity, pain, or the suffering that a prisoner in these earlier times endured; I should say that people actually died - not endured these things. Stats and living conditions tell of numbers and horrors that people today just could not fathom let alone understand. It's just not possible. To read a page of historical accounts or watch a video or listen to a podcast is an entirely different world. It is not possible to compare a movie or TV show with any of these realities.
Piracy is fun, until you get caught
Sigh, isn't everything?
I’m having a hard time imagining cutting off a man’s lips, let alone feeding them back to him
the earliest example of keelhauling is in 700 bc with the greeks in the rhodian maritime code
edit: also according to my dad who served in navy as a dc man during gulf war flogging or the cat and nine tails was used during his time in basic as hazing
I was a pirate for 17 years and everything this guy said is bullshit
I can't imagine why someone who's squeamish would follow this channel. I think that the nature of piracy would rather imply fighting, brazen activities and diseases of the "lewd, wrathful and those at sea for extended periods..."
R u kidding me? The cat o nine tails is far older than America. Now I can’t trust anything said
And then you have to deal with all the sea men.
That’s what she said