Leave a comment below with your thoughts on the new CXS 12 and what you think I should do. One correction to note (for the 10:00 mark) is that the Bosch rotatable attachments CAN indeed be rotated without removing from the tool - simple pull it outwards and move to the desired position. It's wild I didn't notice this after hundreds of hours of use - big thanks to @reeced1 for noting!!!
Thanks for the overview. I was very intrigued by this but I have the dewalt variant of the multi head driver and like it a lot. I previously had the milwaukee, but sold it because there's a portion right above the trigger that can pinch your finger when releasing the trigger. That got old pretty quick. The dewalt is $179usd but only comes with a single battery. That's fine for me though, I grabbed a pair of 5.0 for $89 and those bump up the power a bit more in addition to the extended runtime. Great little driver. Personally, I do think the noise issue is a bit overblown. I've had louder drills and quieter ones. It generally doesn't bother me. Just something to get used to I imagine. I'd try using it for a week or so to see if your ears adapt to it. Looking forward to seeing what you ultimately decide.
I have waited for well over a DECADE for this one. Had a talk some years ago with Frank J at Festool and at the time they said they could not make a brushless version of the CXS. Which I thought was baloney as Bosch already had their small brushless 10.8/12V out. Anyway I thought I would never see the day. Now that it is here I am part excited and part underwhelmed. Part unerwhelmed because there is not much incentive in choosing it over the CXS18 which is small-ish and has a better grip for me. Also, Metabo/Mafell and Hikoki all have a version out which in are 12V (Mafell/Metabo) and 18V (Hikoki MetaboHPT) and to be frank, I found the Hikoki 18V the best of the lot. Will keep the CXS12 for the time being but I am no stranger to the idea of selling it if it does not impress me over time. The old CXS? Well, it is a keeper, for more than one reason.
Just bought one, despite being wary after watching this video. It doesn’t sound half as bad in real life as on this video through my phone speakers. And under actual load/use it sounds better still. Yes it’s quite loud, but the extra power and battery compatibility with the rest of the festool chargers were what i had been hoping for from a CXS update for years. Ultimately im very happy with it.
Wow!!! After years of using this tool (not too often using those attachments that are rotatable) I had no idea I could just pull it out and turn it at will. Thank you, and I’ll pin a correction note
I just picked up the CSX12 set yesterday and I also have the same Bosch set you have. I also have an old CDD12 which I loved with the NiCad battery system that is now functionally defunct. I had the batteries rebuilt once but they just don't last long and the company I used is no longer in business. I like the Bosch system but my gripes with it are 1) it doesn't stand up on its own with any attachments and 2) the drill chuck is always coming unlocked when I un-chuck a bit. The beauty of the CSX12 is that all my accessories (including the eccentric chuck) will work with the CSX12. It is ashamed my dealer only had the set because I could have saved $50 since I already had the right angle chuck. The sound is not a deal killer for me and after about 7 years with the Bosch and 16 years with the Festool, I have to give the edge to Festool on ergonomics and accessories. I will say that the Bosch is more compact if you take it to the jobsite. Steve
I have the older CXS 10.8v, and, in the real life, it usually almost never happens that i am in speed 2 AND full throttle, i would say 90% of the time i'm in speed 1, and not full throttle, and the trigger is pretty precise, that's what i like the most about theses. I tend to grab myself a larger drill if needed, but for me, it's basically a very precise electronic screwdriver on steroids, nothing else.
Haven’t returned yet, but I am leaning that way at the moment. It makes the same high pitch sounds on both clutch settings if it’s in drill mode or driving mode 7+. In drive mode under 7, it sounds pleasant.
@@MasonWoodshop Thanks for the reply! To give you some context, I actually do own a CXS 18v. This thing screams as well in drill mode and 8+ drive settings. It even makes weird inconsistent whistle noises at higher rpm’s. Check this video out: th-cam.com/users/shortsE3c-_sJMu-g This fellow TH-camr sent his CXS18 back and got a call from Festool with the fallowing explanation for the high pitched whistling sounds: What I understood is, that it is due to the new powerful compact engine that is capable of higher speeds. They mentioned, also the competition using the same technology facing same issue. They have been thinking about excluding this frequency levels, but that would result in the machine to suddenly jump from one speed to much higher level. Im keeping my CXS18v nonetheless, to me there is no better 18v drill from festool, and I’ve invested quite a bit into their 18v lineup too. Im using mine at lower rpms, and when I use drill mode I use hearing protection. In your situation I would return the festool for use, and stick to the Bosch 12v if you need the offset chuck, or switch to the old cxs if not in need of the offset chuck. The Milwaukee is just plain odd. Kinda bummed, the cxs12 and cxs18 could have been perfect, the form factor and features are amazing. The noise is just too big of a trade off for most people, especially if you have to do hours of cabinet work a day.
@@kennyredjo505 Thanks for sharing, that gives some good background on why the sound was acceptable. There have been a couple of folks commenting that the M12 from Milwaukee isn't too different. At this point, I'm 90% sure I'm going to stick with my Bosch 12V and when it bites the dust, I'll evaluate all of the options.
@@kennyredjo505 I sent the CXS 18 back because of this annoying (piercing and inconsistent) noise. Sticked with the C 18 which makes a very pleasant sound. Hoped that it will be different with the CXS 12. Do not understand why they made the trade off torwards the higher speed and disregarded this very unpleaseant sound. For me it is not acceptable in such a tool you usually use without hearing protection.
@masonwoodshop I just receive the cxs12 & 18 and I noticed the 12 is a bit louder than the 18, at least to me. The size difference is noticeable between the 12 and I do prefer holding the 12. You’re spot on when you said it just feels good to hold. Thanks for the review!!!
@@leedavies7580 Too bulky and heavy indeed for smaller cabinets! Hate to say it but the old, brushed CXS is a better option than the new 12v if you don't need all the attachments.
Fantastic review - keep them coming! I’m not the only one who thinks the new CXS 12 requires serious hearing protection in typical use. I hear better than many people my age because I guard it carefully. That doesn’t mean I like 32db foam ear plugs any better than anyone else. Spending more time plugged up than necessary doesn’t appeal to me. I am accustomed to using my Festool CXS for light assembly without hearing protection. I will continue to do so. I will buy a CXS 12 when Festool does something about the sound level. What I will do immediately is to buy the competitive Bosch product for $129 and design my own Systainer configuration to house it. This will provide a solution when I need the specialty chuck functions in a small format drill. For the bulk of my light assembly, I will continue to use my trusted Festool CXS.
If I am not mistaken on the Bosch right angle and eccentric chucks you can rotate them while locked. If they are locked into place, you can pull them away from the drill and rotate without having to unlock the locking collar. In regards to the sound I think the brushless tools tend to be higher pitch. Brush and Brushless are not an apple to apples comparison in regards to noise. Is the Festool higher pitch than the average brushless tool? That is something I don't know. I have never used the new CXS 12. If someone had the C18 and CSX 18 you could compare the noise.
I have the 10.8 Festoool installer drill and I love it. Overall, it is my most used drill. Seems some times people have the wrong expectations. They sell it as a n installer drill and for that it is perfect. It has done everything I've needed. I have bigger drills if I need more power. Also the ergonomics of the 10.8 is SO nice, feels so good in the hand. More importantly, the ergonomics of the 10.8 is how you can push the drill at the right point, in line with the chuck. My Makita's all have the vents on the back, so you don't have the inline push because you cover the vents and possibly heat it up more. I have never used the Bosch, but it looks just like the M12 impact I have, it's just awkward to use, the shape does not feel right. Might just be me. I also use to have the Milwaukee M12 installer drill and did not like it, ended up selling it. It stinks because the forward/reverse is not by the trigger, it is on the top, such a poor design. You have the drill in one hand, you are holding something else in place with your other hand, and what if you need to change direction? PIA. I don't plan on getting the 12 volt CXS because I do not need another battery platform, have to many as it is. And thank you for showing the noise, that is odd for Festool, but another reason not to get it.
I'm curious about the RPMs? Was the fess tool running faster ? And that's a lot of money that kit shouldn't run you more and $400, I think maybe a fair test on the sound is to do the decimal test under load
FWIW, the old CXS tops about 75dB (rough similar positioning) and there's just a slightest tinge of that same high pitch frequency at full throttle. It's overwhelmed by a much lower base freq that's even lower than your Bosch, so most of the energy is going there instead of the high freq. The batteries aren't an issue since they last so long and the spare takes up little room in the box.
@@MasonWoodshop The old cxs is my favorite driver out of all my collection, i have the bosch flexiclick brushless and its nice, but the cxs is grabbed constantly, leaving my bosch feeling abandoned.
@@nickway_ I only have the brushless bosch but I should test them. I decided to fire up the bosch just to see what it sounded like and it seems loud too. I will fire them both max rpm on drill mode and see what I get. But from a non-testing standing the bosch is way louder than the cxs in high frequency and db. I am not sure if it is a brushless vs brushed motors that make them sound different but that is my observation. Bosch brushless flexiclick has high pitch squeal and is louder....
@@MasonWoodshop that's what I would do. I can't say enough good things about my 10,8V CXS and have never felt the need for more power (I use a biiger drill when I am in that need). My only gripe with mine is the lack of an eccentric chuck option but I rarely actually need it.
I think you hang on to it. Sometimes I buy tools that I can’t honestly say specifically what I’ll use it for. Then you get in a situation and it pops into your head. I have the cxs, c18 the tid and 5 of the newest makitas on my van at any given time. That’s 8 drills. Then more I don’t go with everyday. But they’ve all been used. You’ll find a spot for it 😊
You can adjust the rotation angle on the Bosch without pulling it out. You pull the chuck and there are strong springs that allow for rotation and repositioning. It’s not obvious on normal operation. I came to find out months after owning it while watching it on a video.
I'm getting the CSX 12 for Christmas. Like Porsche, Festool is a premium product at a premium price. Unlike a lot of products you get what you pay for. Even the hard shell case is top notch.
don't do it... i have the predecessor and the new one... the sound is gonna drive you crazy... i love Festool and have all machines from them...but this one is a failure
I own the brushless version of the Bosch and you're adjusting the position of the chuck wrong. It's easier than what you demonstrated and allows you to rotate the head while it is locked.
Festool have kept to the same battery specification then any lower voltage slide on battery can be used on the 18v tools, but 18/15.6v batteries cannot be used on lower voltage tools.
@@MasonWoodshop I have just bought the CXS 18 and it looks like Festool have broken with their tradition of letting the lower voltage batteries work on the 18v tools. My batteries off my C15 that work on my DRC, BCH 18, Carvex do not work on the CXS 18 which is a shame that they have stopped the backwards compatibility.
They’ve been widely available in Canada since launch (about a day before I posted this video). I had thought the US had the same launch date, although I could see them being in stock as an issue.
Hey, did you return it? I have just received my CXS 12 and I did quick comparison with my Bosch GSR 12V-15 FC (brushed motor) and GSR 12V-35 FC (brushless motor). I measured sound/noise level with a phone app and CXS 12 and GSR 12V-15 FC are both at the same level. Bosch GSR 12V-35 FC is the loudest one, which is no surprise for me. My subjective impression is that CXS 12 is the quietest and sounds the best (whatever it means). No. 2 on the list is the GSR 12V-15 FC which for me - subjectively - is louder than CXS 12, even if the phone app shows the same level. I'm pretty sure that the sound itself is some kind of a factor here. GSR 12V-15 FC simply sounds totally different and my ears are picking it up as louder than CXS 12. The last one is the GSR 12V-35 FC which is the loudest one - no doubts - subjectively and according to the phone app. GSR 12V-35 FC has also the most annoying sound (again, whatever it means). This is what hit my ears immediately after I bought it a while ago and started using it next to GSR 12V-15 FC. I really like my Bosch GSR 12V drills (I've got 2 pcs of GSR 12V-15 FC and one GSR 12V-15 FC, which already tells a lot what do I think about these tools), but in tool sound competition my conclusions are opposite to yours - CXS 12 wins for me (subjectively, of course).
Great comment, thanks for sharing! I did end up returning, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up back in my shop in the future. While I was blown away with the ergonomics and general feature-set of the CXS 12, the high-pitch sound in combination with the cost of the eccentric chuck resulted in me deciding to stick it out with my brushed Bosch for now. Once the Bosch dies, I wouldn't be surprised if I do make the jump back to the CXS 12, especially after hearing from other folks about the volume of brushless compact drill/drivers.
Hey! LOVE all your videos!!! Thank you for this one cause you are the first one to do a review on the new CXS12. In terms of sound how does it compare to the old CXS? It would be great to compare them to each other.
Thanks for watching!!! Unfortunately I don’t have the old CXS to compare, but based on some things I read on the Festool Owners Group forum folks were buying up the original 10.8V version with the expectation the CXS 12 would be loud. I definitely underestimated!
Yeah, I think you are just sensitive to that frequency. It doesn't bother me at all. I've tried it out in the stores, and I still intend to buy it next week when my local store get them back in stock.
I tested this in Toronto and I didn't feel it was noticeably better than the original CXS, and if I were you, I would try the original CXS. Honestly, I disagree with you -- put it through its paces first then return it as it will probably not be sold new again. They'll mark it down 15% and Festool will sell it through their refurbished site. You might end up liking it, possibly.
the right angle bosch fitment is adjustable by pulling the fitment away from the drill body and turning it , theres no need to loosen the fitment like you did
Milwaukee is phenomenal and can be had as a full kit for less than 150. I just bought another for my sister. I’m a Festool fan boy, but they’re playing catchup to Bosch and Milwaukee when it comes to battery tools.
Yeah but it has issues. I own that kit and bought another one but returned it on account of a mechanical failure. I’m currently switching all of my tools to Festool. Once I was a huge Milwaukee fan but no more
I own both the brushed and the brushless version of the Bosch 12V. The brushless one is considerably louder and has higher pitch compared to the brushed version - just like the CXS 12. So don't blame Festool for the noise. If you want a silent machine you have to go for the brushed versions. And no - in real life you don't need ear plugs
I am in the exact same predicament, love the tool, the power and the whole package. Having just got rid of my makita cxt to swap over to cut down on having so many platforms and chargers. Really surprised festool have let this go. I feel they will loose an awful lot of sales. It is simply unpleasant to use!!
i wonder if owners can somehow DIY a sound deadening add-on for the drill somehow. its brushless so does it really need the cutouts in the body ( maybe covering would reduce noise)
Festool drills are the best drills I’ve ever used. if you’re going to buy a drill get a Festool. The control and precision is more important than power or speed for more light to medium use tools. The case to holds multiple bits batteries and accessories that you’re not digging for which makes everything easier. I own Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita and the small Bosch and would trade them all for either the C18 and the PDC or the CXS 18 and a PDC. The CXS 12 is excellent for really light duty but is worth it for the multiple tasks it can perform for cabinet work or just putting up blinds. The size and weight are the a no brainer when in a cabinet or on a latter or working above your head. The old cxs was a one trick pony but the newer one is more versatile. The other brands are getting just as expensive with far less features. Check out the prices of their batteries, and the 12v batteries on the Bosch burn out pretty quickly. Buy the Festool you won’t regret it.
I’ve been quite happy with my Festool drills as well and I ended up repurchasing the CXS 12 after initially returning it. It’s my go-to drill when the job doesn’t need the power.
Is what all you tubers fail to mention is festool lasts 6 times longer than any other brand I've ever used I run a production shop I tried all the other brands I get about one year out of dewalt and milwaukee the battery's don't hold up I have the first festool brushless 18 volt drill I bought it in 2006 it's still going strong battery's are working great I'm all about festool you pay a little more but you get 6 times the life out of festool....
I had the original CXS 10.8V since its inception. Still like it, always wanted a little more power and higher RPM for drilling applications. C12/C18/T18 and CXS/TXS18 have all been in the stable. The latter two are really nice - though I am not sure I would have gotten them if I knew the new CXS12 would come out so soon after. On top of that Hikoki released a very nice quick change drill just the other month and it is a real pleasure to use - and it accepts the Centrotec drill cnd bit chuck and Centrotec drills with no issues. So, I sold the TXS/CXS/18 virtually unused and went Hikoki with no regrets. The old CXS is still in service around the house and the new CXS 12 is at the workshop. First impressions are good. But honestly, it is nearly there, but not quite. The grip is somewhat shorter so I think the older CXS is more comfortable to hold. And I have small hands. Yeah, yeah, I know how Festool wants me to hold the drill with the index finger along the axis but with the old CXS I can hold it and solve awkward mounting angles. The new one, not as comfortable in that regard. On the plus side: I like that it takes the larger chucks. I run it (and the Hikoki) with the larger metal Festool drill chuck. The Hikoki drill is however both stronger and has a more comfortable grip. They complement each other just as well as the CXS/TXS18 does. Another nitpick would be that the charger is way too large for what it needs to be. It is the standard and well proven TCL6 but they could do with a way smaller charger and let you have room for other stuff in the Systainer. But, I realize that the compatibility is key so ONE charger for both 12/18V. Good on you Festool, pity for me I dumped all my Festool 18V recently. Might relegate the new CXS 12 to shop work only, will see after the next on site job if I really like it or not.
I'am totally agree with you. The sound of the new festool CXS 12/18 is not great. The issue is the same with the new TPC/TDC. The sound is not so great compared with the previous PDC, 4 gears, that has a more comfortable, humming sound if you will. The motor they put in all the new version is too noisy after my opinion. So, I totally agree with you. But anyway, the build quality, the grip, the comfort holding the CXS in the hand is very great!!
Yes! Fully agree. Funny enough, while I ended up returning after making this video I ended up rebuying it just a few weeks ago as I continue to invest in Centrotec. I’ve used it on a few jobs so far and find that through typical usage the sound is manageable but when I go full power it’s still ear piercing.
I have the similar shaped M12 and this new CXS. The new CXS sounds Shriller than the M12. It is noticeable. I posted about it in the North America Festool group and someone, who has the older, brushed CXS model, commented that his CXS is quieter than the M12. This is clearly not the case with the new brushless CXS. I have the Bosch 12v in my city apartment so I can't compare it to the CXS but here in my house, I have the old Bosch 10.8v (brushed) and it is much quieter - which might explain why the older 10.8v brushed CXS has quieter sound.
@@avih7311 Thanks for letting me know! The position of the switch comes up a lot in reviews, but those that use it long term have said it's not as annoying as it could have been.
@@MasonWoodshop it is annoying at first when your finger goes to the usual placement of the switch and... it is not there - but after a few times your muscle memory takes control and it stopped being that annoying.
Noise doesn't bother me at all, reason being that I use ear protection for any and all tools regardless of what I'm doing and what tool I have in my hand.
100db basically means you need earpros. Festool just released earbuds. Hm. I take noise very seriously, and I think based on this video the chances I'll get the new cxs is pretty low. I replaced all my high power impacts with a m12 hydraulic, because when you gotta work in a Furnished and occupied office, you don't want that noise for the customer's sake. And I'm not there to destroy stuff so 18v and other high power impacts aren't really necessary. I kinda like the centrotec system, and fest tool ergonomics, but there is no way I'm running a 100db drill if I'm not hammer drilling. Can you do a noise test on speed 1, and is this trigger as smooth as the original? I know a lot of triggers now, even the higher end tools have steps, meaning a minimum rpm, then a step faster, etc until full speed, while some of the older tools has a true potentiometer style trigger where you can get the drill to creep. I know this doesn't bother everyone but it makes a difference for me when trying to start a screw in a very tight place.
I hope you didn't return it. I picked mine up after watching this video which really helped set my expectations. My dB meter measured at 84 which is significantly quieter than you are showing. Yes, it is louder than my DeWalt 12v but it is all around a better tool. I do feel like mine did quiet down a bit since I first pulled the trigger. FWIW I had the brushless Bosch 12v and it wasn't any more quiet than this CXS 12. The Milwaukee install driver is probably about the same if not slightly louder.
My CSX 18 doesn’t make that noise. It’s very smooth and quiet. A lot of people have noticed this buying these new CSX 12 model in the UK as well. If I still want you to pay top dollar the product has to be right for the market.
RETURN!! Seems to be a fanboy purchase without a real measurable improvement. The noise in unacceptable. I see you learned from other comments about the bosch heads which can be quickly adjusted. Don't see how it can be a justifiable improvement over the bosch. Also, the new brushless Bosch kits were selling for 99$ on amazon deal days. I'm sure they will go on sale again for black Friday or cyber Monday.
Yeah! It’s not pleasant. It only happens over speed setting #7 (otherwise the sound is quite reasonable), but the reality is that most of the time I’d be over that or on the drill mode.
I recently bought & took delivery of the CXS18 and the sound on it is the same, at lower RPM it sounds kinda grindy, at higher rpm it sounds winey. 😅 It doesn’t seem to be as articulate as my C18 or CXS 10v I do love the electronic features they are a godsend, how ever the sound is something left to be desired 😢
@@MasonWoodshop Thats interesting regarding the clutch settings and the noise. Could you do a follow up video demonstrating the sound/noise above/below setting#7 (in both high and low gear). I would really like to hear the sound. Thanks!
@@nickway_ Unfortunately I'm out of town for a few days. The sound for 7+ or on drill mode in both high and low gear is about the same as what is shown on the video - the difference between 7 and 13, for instance, is nominal. The sound below 7 (in both high and low) is quite pleasant and lower than I've experienced on other drill/drivers.
@@MasonWoodshop Ok, good to know. I wonder at setting #7 and below how useable it is? Will I need to be above or below setting #7 for typical work? My guess is #7 and below is just for sinking screws flush in pre-drilled holes, and everything else would require a higher setting. Just guessing though...
While I did end up returning it after this video I have since re-purchased and am quite satisfied for the exact reason you mentioned. Very rarely am I operating at max speed.
I tested the new CXS 12 and compared it with the M12 installation driver. I used to have the older CXS and sold it in anticipation of the new one. I might make a video, but here are my conclusions: 1. Ergonomics: The new CXS is quite comparable in weight and ergonomics, and it feels great in the hand. The M12 on the other hand, feels less balanced and absolutely front-heavy with the Jacob's chuck. It feels more like a proper drill rather than the compact tool the CXS is. The M12's direction control is simply unacceptable. 2. Precision: The centrotec bits lead to less slop in both the Festool CXS's. The older CXS had no runout I could detect. However, this new one has an unusually large amount of runout - my guess is that my piece is defective. I wouldn't expect Festool drills or any drill) to have such pronounced runout. The M12 has a slight runout that you can tell when you use the right-angle chuck because it accentuates the off-axis movement. However, that is minimal compared to my M18 impact driver, which is really bad (and from online reviews, seem to be common for the M18 impact driver). The M12 is also better than my (clearly defective) new CXS but worse than my old CXS. Now, I am going to return the CXS not only because it is defective, but I realized I really need the offset/eccentric chuck - and don't want to pay another $140. It comes standard with the $130 (everything included, even battery and charger) M12. Compare that to the $350 + 130 + centrotec bits Festool! However, I recommend you keep the CXS because: you will get used to the sound; it is far more ergonomic than the M12 and doesn't have the worst direction control like the M12; you can probably afford the higher cost and justify it in your builds and videos; and you have the battery system. Hope this helps.
Thanks for sharing! It really is too bad that the eccentric chuck wasn’t included, even if the cost of the chuck was somewhat split between consumer and Festool. I did end up returning mine, but I agree with your thoughts that I likely would have gotten used to the sound over time. For now I’m going to stick with my Bosch and when it goes I’ll have a decision to make.
@@MasonWoodshop Makes sense! Perhaps by the time you need to replace your Bosch Milwaukee would have fixed their hare-brained direction control switch :)
What bothers me is that Festool has no intention to build a 12v system. I want to buy a new 12v drill to replace my Bosch GSR 12V-15. But with Bosch I can buy (if needed) a whole range of tools that use the same battery (like the sanders that are awesome). With Festool I only have the drill in 2 different forms and that's it.
Totally agree the sound is quite annoying , and for the price makes me question if it worth it. Great video , appreciate the honest opinions, keep it up ! 🇨🇦
Thanks for the watching and commenting! I really like these compact drill/drivers as I use my Bosch all the time, but if I’m using them so often I want it to be enjoyable.
I own a few of the Bosch 12V 35Nm 12V drills, as well as the former brushless 20Nm version; I find the 20Nm better controllable in lower RPM making them more ideal for smaller screws (like 3x25 ) where the newer 35Nm brushless version tends to be a bit rough in lower RPM's. It takes some time to get used to. I don't like either of the 12V versions for their chuck; it simply doesn't grip hard enough on drills etc. You always have slip when you don't want it.. and you'll find yourself re-tightening them every single time. In my opinion it's a lack in design. But overall i'm pleased with the 12v35 series, they put out serious power. They are a tad louder than the previous version, but they rotate faster as well and have more power.
I waited over a year to buy a cxs because after 10years it was due for a brushless upgrade.. it didnt happen so I got tired of waiting and bought one, a couple months later they launch new cxs’s.. ofcourse 🙄 So I was about to sell my old cxs losing quite a bit on the amount I bought it for to get the new brushless 12 and 18 but after reading the comments I guess i m gonna use my old one till it breaks down or festool fixes the issues 😬
I love my Milwaukee. It’s great! The M12 platform on the Milwaukee is solid as well. Grab the pin nailer so you can justify the second battery platform.
@@MasonWoodshop The M12 drills and drivers have a very chunky handle which I really hate, you should see in a store if it feels good to you. I have the M12 fuel drill/driver set and I would much rather have even the old CXS. Plus, the M12 installation driver has that stupid forward/reverse button on the top of it.
I'm mostly running m12 stuff now. And the m12 installation driver is fairly quiet. I only break on the cxs on very delicate sign installs which is very very rare now.
I haven't bought a new festool drill in maybe 8 years? 9 years? 7 years? The ones I've owned..the whole point is that they were QUIET. I still have a T18, and it is the quietest drill out of any other brand I've ever owned in my lifetime. Really weird.
I am in the return it camp. Too much money for a drll that has similar features and benefits to one you already own. And yes, I drink the kool-aid and own a sander and vac and am considering a track saw and router (for the same reasons you mention). The only reason I would buy that drill is if I already owned the batteries and charger and did not own a centrotec style drill. But you already own one. Use the money for something else you need. Whatever you decide, I will keep watching your content!
Thanks for watching and commenting! The Festool system is fantastic with this (and the edge guide for the OF 1010...the OF 1010 itself is amazing) being the only negative experiences I've had with Festool tools or accessories)
Never considered not to buy a small drill because of the sound. The video gives the impression it is unbearable. Far from that. Still do not notice a disturbing sound at my CXS 12 because - it is not there... And even if it was - I don't wanna dance to the sound, I want to get some work done with my drill :) I can assure people with normal ears (...) it is a nearly perfect tool. Fits perfectly into the hand and has the extra power compared to the old cxs mini drill. Don't wanna miss it anymore now. It is really expensive, this is the only downside but maybe one to consider. But If you buy nevertheless, go for the set. Pretty sure you'd miss the extras after some days
I used to hate on impact drivers because of the sound. Fast forward to now and that annoying tool I'm back to using. Main reason is... hearing protection. After 22 years of power tool usage I'm late to the game of hearing protection. Fit form and function is key here. Keep the tool, if it drives the home owner out of the room, that's actually a good thing. You can stay focused and be far more efficient.
It sounds like a dentist drill. The screaming sound is horrible. I have one on order and I'm seriously considering cancelling it. I don't need (or want) a high power 12v drill to race someone putting in 4" screws, that's silly. This is an installation drill/driver. I want a small, light, elegant drill with finesse, which is quiet, smooth and joy to use.
Totally agree! It's been interesting the various Festool forums where folks wanted more power from the successor to the original CXS 10.8. While I haven't used the CXS 10.8 myself, the purpose of these smaller drill/drivers isn't volume, it's the compact size which for me at least carries the expectation of being quieter and less powerful.
@@MasonWoodshop Totally. 18v for power, 12v for finesse. I ended up canceling my order. I asked my sales guy to talk to the Festool rep about it and see what they say. I may end up buying an original CXS set before they're gone.
@@nickway_ I'm hoping that Sedge talks more about it on a Festool Friday on the Festool USA TH-cam page. Obviously they can't change it, but I'd like to hear about why they ramped up the power to the point that the tool is so much louder. Surely they did their research and the DIY enthusiasts like me wouldn't have played into their direction that much.
@@MasonWoodshop It will be interesting to hear what Sedge says. I think a large part of the problem is TH-cam itself. There are far too many reviews scoring products based on the wrong things. Which drill 1 gram lighter, can sink screw 0.1 second faster, or drill a hole the fastest? Then the reviewer then tallies the points on the score card and declares a winner. It puts an emphasis on power and numbers based performance. You, me (and hopefully others) aren't looking for that in a 12v install drill. Hopefully enough of us can speak up and Festool will hear our concerns.
I bought one of these right away and the sound is exactly how it sounds here, it’s like a dentist drill! I was so disappointed, for me it’s simply unbearable so I sent it back straight away. I’m not sure how Festool let this past surely someone must have pointed this out before releasing it. I love festool kit but not this one!!
Regarding the sound, you did not do a realtime test screwing into wood. db may be lower under actual load when you use trigger control. Consider its purpose. When you rev a car, does it stay that loud when you are driving? no. So you prefer the larger externally mounted battery over the Bosch stick battery which disappears into the handle? Weird choice. I have the brushless flexi-click for two years now and have not been able to justify why I would get the CXS12. same torque, $139 more for the offset attachment as you said. Skip the Milwaukee it has glaring defects compared to the bosch. Your bosch is bigger and clunkier than the brushless. This is a Festool fanboy tool. The attachments do turn on bosch, pull it and turn (brushless). Bad comparison using older bosch. I dont think you properly prepared for this video comparison.
Why is it so many American TH-camrs call these tools CSX in their voiceovers rather than the actual model name which is CXS. He got it right in the title of the vid but can't remember when he actually does the voiceover. Seen at least "review" videos like this now.
You can’t really complain about pricing/value. Every Festool item will always have a much higher price compared to other tool brands. That comes with the brand. It’s up to the individual if they think the price is justified or not.
Comparison of price is a non-starter. Everyone knows the Festool will cost more. Brush vs brushless. Didn’t mention the Festool 3-year warranty on everything including wear-and-tear items. You gave the advantage to Festool on every feature but made your decision on “sound”??? “Don’t even want others around you to hear it”….that’s a real head scratcher. Yet the feel of the Festool while your drilling those 60 holes in an hour is much better. Sorry, don’t understand the logic behind your decision.
This wasn’t a formal review and as meant to share my thoughts on it. While I did return it, I ended up rebuying a few months later. You’re right that the feel is just so much better, as is the Centrotec system (main reason I went back). I’m planning on posting a new video in the near future outlining these advantages more.
Oh boy. Look, I’ve been in the industry for almost 30 years and if someone complains about the sound of a drill maybe they should find another vocation or hobby. Let’s grow up and be men. I own the CXS18 and love it. I’m a man and men deal with it. It’s German quality. After owning the Milwaukee version I’m happier with the Festool. Yes, Milwaukee does have good tools but over the years I’ve noticed that quality control is way down.
Leave a comment below with your thoughts on the new CXS 12 and what you think I should do. One correction to note (for the 10:00 mark) is that the Bosch rotatable attachments CAN indeed be rotated without removing from the tool - simple pull it outwards and move to the desired position. It's wild I didn't notice this after hundreds of hours of use - big thanks to @reeced1 for noting!!!
Thanks for the overview. I was very intrigued by this but I have the dewalt variant of the multi head driver and like it a lot. I previously had the milwaukee, but sold it because there's a portion right above the trigger that can pinch your finger when releasing the trigger. That got old pretty quick. The dewalt is $179usd but only comes with a single battery. That's fine for me though, I grabbed a pair of 5.0 for $89 and those bump up the power a bit more in addition to the extended runtime. Great little driver.
Personally, I do think the noise issue is a bit overblown. I've had louder drills and quieter ones. It generally doesn't bother me. Just something to get used to I imagine. I'd try using it for a week or so to see if your ears adapt to it. Looking forward to seeing what you ultimately decide.
I have waited for well over a DECADE for this one. Had a talk some years ago with Frank J at Festool and at the time they said they could not make a brushless version of the CXS. Which I thought was baloney as Bosch already had their small brushless 10.8/12V out. Anyway I thought I would never see the day. Now that it is here I am part excited and part underwhelmed. Part unerwhelmed because there is not much incentive in choosing it over the CXS18 which is small-ish and has a better grip for me. Also, Metabo/Mafell and Hikoki all have a version out which in are 12V (Mafell/Metabo) and 18V (Hikoki MetaboHPT) and to be frank, I found the Hikoki 18V the best of the lot. Will keep the CXS12 for the time being but I am no stranger to the idea of selling it if it does not impress me over time. The old CXS? Well, it is a keeper, for more than one reason.
great review but I think you should perhaps learn its name ;)
@@steven_vogt LOL, I have no idea why my brain thinks CXS but always says CSX. I blame Acura and their CSX model car.
@@MasonWoodshop that’s a pretty good reason at the end of the day:)
Just bought one, despite being wary after watching this video. It doesn’t sound half as bad in real life as on this video through my phone speakers. And under actual load/use it sounds better still. Yes it’s quite loud, but the extra power and battery compatibility with the rest of the festool chargers were what i had been hoping for from a CXS update for years. Ultimately im very happy with it.
How is your 12v drill is it annoyingly loud.
The Bosch attachments are spring loaded. You don't have to remove the attachment to reposition it
Wow!!! After years of using this tool (not too often using those attachments that are rotatable) I had no idea I could just pull it out and turn it at will. Thank you, and I’ll pin a correction note
I just picked up the CSX12 set yesterday and I also have the same Bosch set you have. I also have an old CDD12 which I loved with the NiCad battery system that is now functionally defunct. I had the batteries rebuilt once but they just don't last long and the company I used is no longer in business. I like the Bosch system but my gripes with it are 1) it doesn't stand up on its own with any attachments and 2) the drill chuck is always coming unlocked when I un-chuck a bit. The beauty of the CSX12 is that all my accessories (including the eccentric chuck) will work with the CSX12. It is ashamed my dealer only had the set because I could have saved $50 since I already had the right angle chuck. The sound is not a deal killer for me and after about 7 years with the Bosch and 16 years with the Festool, I have to give the edge to Festool on ergonomics and accessories. I will say that the Bosch is more compact if you take it to the jobsite. Steve
I have the older CXS 10.8v, and, in the real life, it usually almost never happens that i am in speed 2 AND full throttle, i would say 90% of the time i'm in speed 1, and not full throttle, and the trigger is pretty precise, that's what i like the most about theses. I tend to grab myself a larger drill if needed, but for me, it's basically a very precise electronic screwdriver on steroids, nothing else.
This. Absolutely agree with you.
You're comparing a brushless to a brushed. The Bosch brushless is also louder, as is the Milwaukee M12 2505. If you want quiet, get the brushed CXS.
Which takes different (non exchangeable) batteries... Festool really made a mess out of their extremely small 12v range.
Thx for the honest review! Did you return it? On which clutch setting did the cxs 12 Made the high pitched sound?
Haven’t returned yet, but I am leaning that way at the moment. It makes the same high pitch sounds on both clutch settings if it’s in drill mode or driving mode 7+. In drive mode under 7, it sounds pleasant.
@@MasonWoodshop Thanks for the reply! To give you some context, I actually do own a CXS 18v. This thing screams as well in drill mode and 8+ drive settings. It even makes weird inconsistent whistle noises at higher rpm’s. Check this video out:
th-cam.com/users/shortsE3c-_sJMu-g
This fellow TH-camr sent his CXS18 back and got a call from Festool with the fallowing explanation for the high pitched whistling sounds:
What I understood is, that it is due to the new powerful compact engine that is capable of higher speeds. They mentioned, also the competition using the same technology facing same issue. They have been thinking about excluding this frequency levels, but that would result in the machine to suddenly jump from one speed to much higher level.
Im keeping my CXS18v nonetheless, to me there is no better 18v drill from festool, and I’ve invested quite a bit into their 18v lineup too. Im using mine at lower rpms, and when I use drill mode I use hearing protection.
In your situation I would return the festool for use, and stick to the Bosch 12v if you need the offset chuck, or switch to the old cxs if not in need of the offset chuck. The Milwaukee is just plain odd.
Kinda bummed, the cxs12 and cxs18 could have been perfect, the form factor and features are amazing. The noise is just too big of a trade off for most people, especially if you have to do hours of cabinet work a day.
@@kennyredjo505 Thanks for sharing, that gives some good background on why the sound was acceptable. There have been a couple of folks commenting that the M12 from Milwaukee isn't too different. At this point, I'm 90% sure I'm going to stick with my Bosch 12V and when it bites the dust, I'll evaluate all of the options.
@@kennyredjo505 I sent the CXS 18 back because of this annoying (piercing and inconsistent) noise. Sticked with the C 18 which makes a very pleasant sound. Hoped that it will be different with the CXS 12. Do not understand why they made the trade off torwards the higher speed and disregarded this very unpleaseant sound. For me it is not acceptable in such a tool you usually use without hearing protection.
@masonwoodshop I just receive the cxs12 & 18 and I noticed the 12 is a bit louder than the 18, at least to me. The size difference is noticeable between the 12 and I do prefer holding the 12. You’re spot on when you said it just feels good to hold. Thanks for the review!!!
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience!
had the 18v cxs for 2months the noise settles once it wears in a bit {uk kitchen fitter}
Happy to hear that! How are you liking the CXS 18?
@@MasonWoodshop looking forward to getting me hands on the cxs12, cxs18 just s bit to bulky in smaller cabinets !
@@leedavies7580 Too bulky and heavy indeed for smaller cabinets! Hate to say it but the old, brushed CXS is a better option than the new 12v if you don't need all the attachments.
How long does it take to quiet down? I have one on order and I'm already considered cancelling the order.
I too am wondering how long it takes to "break-in" and if you can test the db would be nice
Fantastic review - keep them coming!
I’m not the only one who thinks the new CXS 12 requires serious hearing protection in typical use. I hear better than many people my age because I guard it carefully. That doesn’t mean I like 32db foam ear plugs any better than anyone else. Spending more time plugged up than necessary doesn’t appeal to me. I am accustomed to using my Festool CXS for light assembly without hearing protection. I will continue to do so. I will buy a CXS 12 when Festool does something about the sound level. What I will do immediately is to buy the competitive Bosch product for $129 and design my own Systainer configuration to house it. This will provide a solution when I need the specialty chuck functions in a small format drill. For the bulk of my light assembly, I will continue to use my trusted Festool CXS.
If I am not mistaken on the Bosch right angle and eccentric chucks you can rotate them while locked. If they are locked into place, you can pull them away from the drill and rotate without having to unlock the locking collar. In regards to the sound I think the brushless tools tend to be higher pitch. Brush and Brushless are not an apple to apples comparison in regards to noise. Is the Festool higher pitch than the average brushless tool? That is something I don't know. I have never used the new CXS 12. If someone had the C18 and CSX 18 you could compare the noise.
I have the 10.8 Festoool installer drill and I love it. Overall, it is my most used drill. Seems some times people have the wrong expectations. They sell it as a n installer drill and for that it is perfect. It has done everything I've needed. I have bigger drills if I need more power. Also the ergonomics of the 10.8 is SO nice, feels so good in the hand. More importantly, the ergonomics of the 10.8 is how you can push the drill at the right point, in line with the chuck. My Makita's all have the vents on the back, so you don't have the inline push because you cover the vents and possibly heat it up more. I have never used the Bosch, but it looks just like the M12 impact I have, it's just awkward to use, the shape does not feel right. Might just be me. I also use to have the Milwaukee M12 installer drill and did not like it, ended up selling it. It stinks because the forward/reverse is not by the trigger, it is on the top, such a poor design. You have the drill in one hand, you are holding something else in place with your other hand, and what if you need to change direction? PIA. I don't plan on getting the 12 volt CXS because I do not need another battery platform, have to many as it is. And thank you for showing the noise, that is odd for Festool, but another reason not to get it.
I'm curious about the RPMs? Was the fess tool running faster ? And that's a lot of money that kit shouldn't run you more and $400, I think maybe a fair test on the sound is to do the decimal test under load
Just bought one . Yes, a little loud , but it is fantastic.
It’s a fantastic little drill and while it’s loud at full speed, I’ve found that I’m rarely operating it at that level.
FWIW, the old CXS tops about 75dB (rough similar positioning) and there's just a slightest tinge of that same high pitch frequency at full throttle. It's overwhelmed by a much lower base freq that's even lower than your Bosch, so most of the energy is going there instead of the high freq. The batteries aren't an issue since they last so long and the spare takes up little room in the box.
This is great insight, thank you! I suppose that picking up the now-older CXS while there’s stock is an option.
@@MasonWoodshop The old cxs is my favorite driver out of all my collection, i have the bosch flexiclick brushless and its nice, but the cxs is grabbed constantly, leaving my bosch feeling abandoned.
@@chuckgrumble5440 How do the original CXS and Bosch compare to each other noise level wise?
@@nickway_ I only have the brushless bosch but I should test them. I decided to fire up the bosch just to see what it sounded like and it seems loud too. I will fire them both max rpm on drill mode and see what I get. But from a non-testing standing the bosch is way louder than the cxs in high frequency and db. I am not sure if it is a brushless vs brushed motors that make them sound different but that is my observation. Bosch brushless flexiclick has high pitch squeal and is louder....
@@MasonWoodshop that's what I would do. I can't say enough good things about my 10,8V CXS and have never felt the need for more power (I use a biiger drill when I am in that need). My only gripe with mine is the lack of an eccentric chuck option but I rarely actually need it.
I have the milwaukee 12v and mine has the same pitch as the festool and its not as bad laying a cabinet installing hardware
Interesting! Thanks for sharing. I wonder if it’s the nature of these compact brushless motors.
Did it get any quieter with use as things broke in? Or is it still the same high pitch whine?
I think you hang on to it. Sometimes I buy tools that I can’t honestly say specifically what I’ll use it for. Then you get in a situation and it pops into your head. I have the cxs, c18 the tid and 5 of the newest makitas on my van at any given time. That’s 8 drills. Then more I don’t go with everyday. But they’ve all been used. You’ll find a spot for it 😊
You can adjust the rotation angle on the Bosch without pulling it out. You pull the chuck and there are strong springs that allow for rotation and repositioning. It’s not obvious on normal operation. I came to find out months after owning it while watching it on a video.
Thanks! Until some other commenters said the same thing I had no idea. And that was after frequent use of that accessory!
I'm getting the CSX 12 for Christmas. Like Porsche, Festool is a premium product at a premium price. Unlike a lot of products you get what you pay for. Even the hard shell case is top notch.
don't do it... i have the predecessor and the new one... the sound is gonna drive you crazy... i love Festool and have all machines from them...but this one is a failure
I own the brushless version of the Bosch and you're adjusting the position of the chuck wrong. It's easier than what you demonstrated and allows you to rotate the head while it is locked.
Festool have kept to the same battery specification then any lower voltage slide on battery can be used on the 18v tools, but 18/15.6v batteries cannot be used on lower voltage tools.
They really did a great job with the new 12V battery. Hopefully this paves the way for some more 12V tools.
@@MasonWoodshop I have just bought the CXS 18 and it looks like Festool have broken with their tradition of letting the lower voltage batteries work on the 18v tools. My batteries off my C15 that work on my DRC, BCH 18, Carvex do not work on the CXS 18 which is a shame that they have stopped the backwards compatibility.
How did you actually get to see cxs 12? I've been looking for it and apparently it's still not available in the US?
They’ve been widely available in Canada since launch (about a day before I posted this video). I had thought the US had the same launch date, although I could see them being in stock as an issue.
Hey, did you return it? I have just received my CXS 12 and I did quick comparison with my Bosch GSR 12V-15 FC (brushed motor) and GSR 12V-35 FC (brushless motor). I measured sound/noise level with a phone app and CXS 12 and GSR 12V-15 FC are both at the same level. Bosch GSR 12V-35 FC is the loudest one, which is no surprise for me. My subjective impression is that CXS 12 is the quietest and sounds the best (whatever it means). No. 2 on the list is the GSR 12V-15 FC which for me - subjectively - is louder than CXS 12, even if the phone app shows the same level. I'm pretty sure that the sound itself is some kind of a factor here. GSR 12V-15 FC simply sounds totally different and my ears are picking it up as louder than CXS 12. The last one is the GSR 12V-35 FC which is the loudest one - no doubts - subjectively and according to the phone app. GSR 12V-35 FC has also the most annoying sound (again, whatever it means). This is what hit my ears immediately after I bought it a while ago and started using it next to GSR 12V-15 FC. I really like my Bosch GSR 12V drills (I've got 2 pcs of GSR 12V-15 FC and one GSR 12V-15 FC, which already tells a lot what do I think about these tools), but in tool sound competition my conclusions are opposite to yours - CXS 12 wins for me (subjectively, of course).
Great comment, thanks for sharing! I did end up returning, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up back in my shop in the future. While I was blown away with the ergonomics and general feature-set of the CXS 12, the high-pitch sound in combination with the cost of the eccentric chuck resulted in me deciding to stick it out with my brushed Bosch for now.
Once the Bosch dies, I wouldn't be surprised if I do make the jump back to the CXS 12, especially after hearing from other folks about the volume of brushless compact drill/drivers.
Hey! LOVE all your videos!!! Thank you for this one cause you are the first one to do a review on the new CXS12. In terms of sound how does it compare to the old CXS? It would be great to compare them to each other.
Thanks for watching!!! Unfortunately I don’t have the old CXS to compare, but based on some things I read on the Festool Owners Group forum folks were buying up the original 10.8V version with the expectation the CXS 12 would be loud. I definitely underestimated!
Yeah, I think you are just sensitive to that frequency. It doesn't bother me at all. I've tried it out in the stores, and I still intend to buy it next week when my local store get them back in stock.
That very well could be it! The decibels alone are high, but not outrageous. It’s the pitch of the sound that bothers me most.
I tested this in Toronto and I didn't feel it was noticeably better than the original CXS, and if I were you, I would try the original CXS.
Honestly, I disagree with you -- put it through its paces first then return it as it will probably not be sold new again. They'll mark it down 15% and Festool will sell it through their refurbished site. You might end up liking it, possibly.
Thanks for sharing and advising that I test it out further - I might just do that!
The best thing is that it can be hold in the lenght of your arm, so it’s easier to drill straight.
the right angle bosch fitment is adjustable by pulling the fitment away from the drill body and turning it , theres no need to loosen the fitment like you did
Milwaukee is phenomenal and can be had as a full kit for less than 150. I just bought another for my sister. I’m a Festool fan boy, but they’re playing catchup to Bosch and Milwaukee when it comes to battery tools.
What nonsense. I’ve had the Festool cxs over 10 years .Milwaukee totally based it’s designs on this.
@@TastyFreezeyoYour point? Of course they took the idea and made it much better and much cheaper.
@@5280Woodworking I bought the cxs18v with a battery last week for €240. I don’t see much savings from Milwaukee
Yeah but it has issues. I own that kit and bought another one but returned it on account of a mechanical failure. I’m currently switching all of my tools to Festool. Once I was a huge Milwaukee fan but no more
I own both the brushed and the brushless version of the Bosch 12V. The brushless one is considerably louder and has higher pitch compared to the brushed version - just like the CXS 12. So don't blame Festool for the noise. If you want a silent machine you have to go for the brushed versions. And no - in real life you don't need ear plugs
I am in the exact same predicament, love the tool, the power and the whole package. Having just got rid of my makita cxt to swap over to cut down on having so many platforms and chargers.
Really surprised festool have let this go. I feel they will loose an awful lot of sales. It is simply unpleasant to use!!
i wonder if owners can somehow DIY a sound deadening add-on for the drill somehow. its brushless so does it really need the cutouts in the body ( maybe covering would reduce noise)
The CXS 12 aswell as the CXS 18 have the same loudness as the Milwaukee M12 FDDX.
But the loudness falls after dome hours of useage.
Festool drills are the best drills I’ve ever used. if you’re going to buy a drill get a Festool. The control and precision is more important than power or speed for more light to medium use tools. The case to holds multiple bits batteries and accessories that you’re not digging for which makes everything easier. I own Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita and the small Bosch and would trade them all for either the C18 and the PDC or the CXS 18 and a PDC. The CXS 12 is excellent for really light duty but is worth it for the multiple tasks it can perform for cabinet work or just putting up blinds. The size and weight are the a no brainer when in a cabinet or on a latter or working above your head. The old cxs was a one trick pony but the newer one is more versatile. The other brands are getting just as expensive with far less features. Check out the prices of their batteries, and the 12v batteries on the Bosch burn out pretty quickly. Buy the Festool you won’t regret it.
I’ve been quite happy with my Festool drills as well and I ended up repurchasing the CXS 12 after initially returning it. It’s my go-to drill when the job doesn’t need the power.
need the festool GHS hearing protection to come with every CX12
Love mine don't think it's loud though I'm a mechanic by trade so everything is quiet compared to air hammers
Haha, nothing beats the sound of air tools in an auto shop
Is what all you tubers fail to mention is festool lasts 6 times longer than any other brand I've ever used I run a production shop I tried all the other brands I get about one year out of dewalt and milwaukee the battery's don't hold up I have the first festool brushless 18 volt drill I bought it in 2006 it's still going strong battery's are working great I'm all about festool you pay a little more but you get 6 times the life out of festool....
I had the original CXS 10.8V since its inception. Still like it, always wanted a little more power and higher RPM for drilling applications. C12/C18/T18 and CXS/TXS18 have all been in the stable. The latter two are really nice - though I am not sure I would have gotten them if I knew the new CXS12 would come out so soon after. On top of that Hikoki released a very nice quick change drill just the other month and it is a real pleasure to use - and it accepts the Centrotec drill cnd bit chuck and Centrotec drills with no issues. So, I sold the TXS/CXS/18 virtually unused and went Hikoki with no regrets. The old CXS is still in service around the house and the new CXS 12 is at the workshop.
First impressions are good. But honestly, it is nearly there, but not quite. The grip is somewhat shorter so I think the older CXS is more comfortable to hold. And I have small hands. Yeah, yeah, I know how Festool wants me to hold the drill with the index finger along the axis but with the old CXS I can hold it and solve awkward mounting angles. The new one, not as comfortable in that regard.
On the plus side: I like that it takes the larger chucks. I run it (and the Hikoki) with the larger metal Festool drill chuck. The Hikoki drill is however both stronger and has a more comfortable grip. They complement each other just as well as the CXS/TXS18 does.
Another nitpick would be that the charger is way too large for what it needs to be. It is the standard and well proven TCL6 but they could do with a way smaller charger and let you have room for other stuff in the Systainer. But, I realize that the compatibility is key so ONE charger for both 12/18V.
Good on you Festool, pity for me I dumped all my Festool 18V recently. Might relegate the new CXS 12 to shop work only, will see after the next on site job if I really like it or not.
Once you buy the uni chuck you will see the difference it is on another level
I'am totally agree with you. The sound of the new festool CXS 12/18 is not great. The issue is the same with the new TPC/TDC. The sound is not so great compared with the previous PDC, 4 gears, that has a more comfortable, humming sound if you will. The motor they put in all the new version is too noisy after my opinion. So, I totally agree with you. But anyway, the build quality, the grip, the comfort holding the CXS in the hand is very great!!
Yes! Fully agree. Funny enough, while I ended up returning after making this video I ended up rebuying it just a few weeks ago as I continue to invest in Centrotec. I’ve used it on a few jobs so far and find that through typical usage the sound is manageable but when I go full power it’s still ear piercing.
made in the Usa?
I have the similar shaped M12 and this new CXS. The new CXS sounds Shriller than the M12. It is noticeable. I posted about it in the North America Festool group and someone, who has the older, brushed CXS model, commented that his CXS is quieter than the M12. This is clearly not the case with the new brushless CXS. I have the Bosch 12v in my city apartment so I can't compare it to the CXS but here in my house, I have the old Bosch 10.8v (brushed) and it is much quieter - which might explain why the older 10.8v brushed CXS has quieter sound.
This is great insight, thank you! How do you find the forward/reverse switch on your M12?
I am surprised something is shriller than the M12 :P
@@MasonWoodshop it takes time to get used to - can be done with the thumb. a strange choice.
@@avih7311 Thanks for letting me know! The position of the switch comes up a lot in reviews, but those that use it long term have said it's not as annoying as it could have been.
@@MasonWoodshop it is annoying at first when your finger goes to the usual placement of the switch and... it is not there - but after a few times your muscle memory takes control and it stopped being that annoying.
I did read the same on the forums and this just backed up the guy who tested the dB + frequency , loud and high pitched.... dang
Still waiting for these to land in Aus, although I cant wait for it to replace my C15.
Noise doesn't bother me at all, reason being that I use ear protection for any and all tools regardless of what I'm doing and what tool I have in my hand.
That’s an excellent precaution to take with any noise-making tool.
100db basically means you need earpros. Festool just released earbuds. Hm.
I take noise very seriously, and I think based on this video the chances I'll get the new cxs is pretty low. I replaced all my high power impacts with a m12 hydraulic, because when you gotta work in a Furnished and occupied office, you don't want that noise for the customer's sake. And I'm not there to destroy stuff so 18v and other high power impacts aren't really necessary.
I kinda like the centrotec system, and fest tool ergonomics, but there is no way I'm running a 100db drill if I'm not hammer drilling. Can you do a noise test on speed 1, and is this trigger as smooth as the original? I know a lot of triggers now, even the higher end tools have steps, meaning a minimum rpm, then a step faster, etc until full speed, while some of the older tools has a true potentiometer style trigger where you can get the drill to creep. I know this doesn't bother everyone but it makes a difference for me when trying to start a screw in a very tight place.
Unfortunately I no longer have the CXS 12 as I did end up returning it. I’d say that the trigger was extremely smooth.
I hope you didn't return it. I picked mine up after watching this video which really helped set my expectations. My dB meter measured at 84 which is significantly quieter than you are showing. Yes, it is louder than my DeWalt 12v but it is all around a better tool. I do feel like mine did quiet down a bit since I first pulled the trigger. FWIW I had the brushless Bosch 12v and it wasn't any more quiet than this CXS 12. The Milwaukee install driver is probably about the same if not slightly louder.
My CSX 18 doesn’t make that noise. It’s very smooth and quiet. A lot of people have noticed this buying these new CSX 12 model in the UK as well. If I still want you to pay top dollar the product has to be right for the market.
Imagine being the guy on the job site with the drill that sounds like that! Lol.
RETURN!!
Seems to be a fanboy purchase without a real measurable improvement. The noise in unacceptable. I see you learned from other comments about the bosch heads which can be quickly adjusted. Don't see how it can be a justifiable improvement over the bosch. Also, the new brushless Bosch kits were selling for 99$ on amazon deal days. I'm sure they will go on sale again for black Friday or cyber Monday.
I ended up returning shortly after posting the video. Enjoying my Bosch as I have been for a few years prior!
You are right the sound its not pleasant to hear especially for a long use as far i can hear from the video
Yeah! It’s not pleasant. It only happens over speed setting #7 (otherwise the sound is quite reasonable), but the reality is that most of the time I’d be over that or on the drill mode.
I recently bought & took delivery of the CXS18 and the sound on it is the same, at lower RPM it sounds kinda grindy, at higher rpm it sounds winey. 😅
It doesn’t seem to be as articulate as my C18 or CXS 10v
I do love the electronic features they are a godsend, how ever the sound is something left to be desired 😢
@@MasonWoodshop Thats interesting regarding the clutch settings and the noise. Could you do a follow up video demonstrating the sound/noise above/below setting#7 (in both high and low gear). I would really like to hear the sound. Thanks!
@@nickway_ Unfortunately I'm out of town for a few days. The sound for 7+ or on drill mode in both high and low gear is about the same as what is shown on the video - the difference between 7 and 13, for instance, is nominal. The sound below 7 (in both high and low) is quite pleasant and lower than I've experienced on other drill/drivers.
@@MasonWoodshop Ok, good to know. I wonder at setting #7 and below how useable it is? Will I need to be above or below setting #7 for typical work? My guess is #7 and below is just for sinking screws flush in pre-drilled holes, and everything else would require a higher setting. Just guessing though...
I would keep the festool. It’s uncommon to be running the drill at max rpm for long enough for the noise to annoy you.
While I did end up returning it after this video I have since re-purchased and am quite satisfied for the exact reason you mentioned. Very rarely am I operating at max speed.
I tested the new CXS 12 and compared it with the M12 installation driver. I used to have the older CXS and sold it in anticipation of the new one. I might make a video, but here are my conclusions: 1. Ergonomics: The new CXS is quite comparable in weight and ergonomics, and it feels great in the hand. The M12 on the other hand, feels less balanced and absolutely front-heavy with the Jacob's chuck. It feels more like a proper drill rather than the compact tool the CXS is. The M12's direction control is simply unacceptable. 2. Precision: The centrotec bits lead to less slop in both the Festool CXS's. The older CXS had no runout I could detect. However, this new one has an unusually large amount of runout - my guess is that my piece is defective. I wouldn't expect Festool drills or any drill) to have such pronounced runout. The M12 has a slight runout that you can tell when you use the right-angle chuck because it accentuates the off-axis movement. However, that is minimal compared to my M18 impact driver, which is really bad (and from online reviews, seem to be common for the M18 impact driver). The M12 is also better than my (clearly defective) new CXS but worse than my old CXS. Now, I am going to return the CXS not only because it is defective, but I realized I really need the offset/eccentric chuck - and don't want to pay another $140. It comes standard with the $130 (everything included, even battery and charger) M12. Compare that to the $350 + 130 + centrotec bits Festool! However, I recommend you keep the CXS because: you will get used to the sound; it is far more ergonomic than the M12 and doesn't have the worst direction control like the M12; you can probably afford the higher cost and justify it in your builds and videos; and you have the battery system. Hope this helps.
Thanks for sharing! It really is too bad that the eccentric chuck wasn’t included, even if the cost of the chuck was somewhat split between consumer and Festool.
I did end up returning mine, but I agree with your thoughts that I likely would have gotten used to the sound over time. For now I’m going to stick with my Bosch and when it goes I’ll have a decision to make.
@@MasonWoodshop Makes sense! Perhaps by the time you need to replace your Bosch Milwaukee would have fixed their hare-brained direction control switch :)
What bothers me is that Festool has no intention to build a 12v system. I want to buy a new 12v drill to replace my Bosch GSR 12V-15. But with Bosch I can buy (if needed) a whole range of tools that use the same battery (like the sanders that are awesome). With Festool I only have the drill in 2 different forms and that's it.
That's a great point and I'd love to have some Festool equivalents of the Bosch or Milwaukee 12V lines.
Why not get the Bosch Brushless bare tool and use your existing chucks and batteries 👍
Well now that’s very logical and something I had considered! Great advice, thank you!
Totally agree the sound is quite annoying , and for the price makes me question if it worth it. Great video , appreciate the honest opinions, keep it up ! 🇨🇦
Thanks for the watching and commenting! I really like these compact drill/drivers as I use my Bosch all the time, but if I’m using them so often I want it to be enjoyable.
I own a few of the Bosch 12V 35Nm 12V drills, as well as the former brushless 20Nm version; I find the 20Nm better controllable in lower RPM making them more ideal for smaller screws (like 3x25 ) where the newer 35Nm brushless version tends to be a bit rough in lower RPM's. It takes some time to get used to. I don't like either of the 12V versions for their chuck; it simply doesn't grip hard enough on drills etc. You always have slip when you don't want it.. and you'll find yourself re-tightening them every single time. In my opinion it's a lack in design. But overall i'm pleased with the 12v35 series, they put out serious power. They are a tad louder than the previous version, but they rotate faster as well and have more power.
It’s way too loud and electronic clutch is not consistent compared to the previous mechanical clutch. I am also returning it.
Thanks for sharing. In a way, I’m happy to hear it’s not just me bothered the sound, haha
Could you expand on your experiences with the electronic clutch? I have one on order and I'm trying to decide what to do.
thanks for the info!
I waited over a year to buy a cxs because after 10years it was due for a brushless upgrade.. it didnt happen so I got tired of waiting and bought one, a couple months later they launch new cxs’s.. ofcourse 🙄 So I was about to sell my old cxs losing quite a bit on the amount I bought it for to get the new brushless 12 and 18 but after reading the comments I guess i m gonna use my old one till it breaks down or festool fixes the issues 😬
I love my Milwaukee. It’s great! The M12 platform on the Milwaukee is solid as well. Grab the pin nailer so you can justify the second battery platform.
Their 12V line is very impressive. If I take back the CXS 12, I might wait for a sale on the M12 and jump over!
@@MasonWoodshop The M12 drills and drivers have a very chunky handle which I really hate, you should see in a store if it feels good to you. I have the M12 fuel drill/driver set and I would much rather have even the old CXS. Plus, the M12 installation driver has that stupid forward/reverse button on the top of it.
I recall hearing about that button being on the top - wild!! I’ll definitely make sure I handle it first.
I love the m12 pin nailer.... so good
I'm mostly running m12 stuff now. And the m12 installation driver is fairly quiet. I only break on the cxs on very delicate sign installs which is very very rare now.
Very good rewiev
I haven't bought a new festool drill in maybe 8 years? 9 years? 7 years? The ones I've owned..the whole point is that they were QUIET. I still have a T18, and it is the quietest drill out of any other brand I've ever owned in my lifetime. Really weird.
I am in the return it camp. Too much money for a drll that has similar features and benefits to one you already own. And yes, I drink the kool-aid and own a sander and vac and am considering a track saw and router (for the same reasons you mention). The only reason I would buy that drill is if I already owned the batteries and charger and did not own a centrotec style drill. But you already own one. Use the money for something else you need. Whatever you decide, I will keep watching your content!
Thanks for watching and commenting! The Festool system is fantastic with this (and the edge guide for the OF 1010...the OF 1010 itself is amazing) being the only negative experiences I've had with Festool tools or accessories)
Never considered not to buy a small drill because of the sound. The video gives the impression it is unbearable. Far from that. Still do not notice a disturbing sound at my CXS 12 because - it is not there... And even if it was - I don't wanna dance to the sound, I want to get some work done with my drill :) I can assure people with normal ears (...) it is a nearly perfect tool. Fits perfectly into the hand and has the extra power compared to the old cxs mini drill. Don't wanna miss it anymore now. It is really expensive, this is the only downside but maybe one to consider. But If you buy nevertheless, go for the set. Pretty sure you'd miss the extras after some days
Thanks for sharing! This is some great insight I hope others see. Definitely agree on the set providing the best value.
its called CXS not CSX😘 i think im gonna buy the 12 bec the 18 is to big for my hand. the centrotec is awesome.
Kinda comical how many times it was called CSX when there's a big ole label on top of the drill and on the Systainer.
Sounds to me like you should sell all your Festool and buy the Bosch
For sure you won’t be pulling that trigger making that motor spin at full speed driving fixings into a cabinet. The rpm on the bosch is less.
To me, the reverse button on the top of the Milwaukee install driver is a nonstarter. Totally disqualified.
You did not demonstrate the Bosch right angle correctly. If done correctly it turns to 16 positions much easier than the Festool.
Agreed. Another commenter pointed that out and it’s much easier to use than I had been using it for so long, haha!
Love the sound of the Festool.
Festool: is cxs loud? - just take our ear phones😂
Also I think new cxs has too big vent holes on top🙄
I used to hate on impact drivers because of the sound. Fast forward to now and that annoying tool I'm back to using. Main reason is... hearing protection. After 22 years of power tool usage I'm late to the game of hearing protection. Fit form and function is key here. Keep the tool, if it drives the home owner out of the room, that's actually a good thing. You can stay focused and be far more efficient.
Those are wise words on hearing protection. Funny that Festool just came out with their hearing protection ear buds, haha!
It sounds like a dentist drill. The screaming sound is horrible. I have one on order and I'm seriously considering cancelling it. I don't need (or want) a high power 12v drill to race someone putting in 4" screws, that's silly. This is an installation drill/driver. I want a small, light, elegant drill with finesse, which is quiet, smooth and joy to use.
Totally agree! It's been interesting the various Festool forums where folks wanted more power from the successor to the original CXS 10.8. While I haven't used the CXS 10.8 myself, the purpose of these smaller drill/drivers isn't volume, it's the compact size which for me at least carries the expectation of being quieter and less powerful.
@@MasonWoodshop Totally. 18v for power, 12v for finesse. I ended up canceling my order. I asked my sales guy to talk to the Festool rep about it and see what they say. I may end up buying an original CXS set before they're gone.
@@nickway_ I'm hoping that Sedge talks more about it on a Festool Friday on the Festool USA TH-cam page. Obviously they can't change it, but I'd like to hear about why they ramped up the power to the point that the tool is so much louder. Surely they did their research and the DIY enthusiasts like me wouldn't have played into their direction that much.
@@MasonWoodshop It will be interesting to hear what Sedge says.
I think a large part of the problem is TH-cam itself. There are far too many reviews scoring products based on the wrong things. Which drill 1 gram lighter, can sink screw 0.1 second faster, or drill a hole the fastest? Then the reviewer then tallies the points on the score card and declares a winner. It puts an emphasis on power and numbers based performance.
You, me (and hopefully others) aren't looking for that in a 12v install drill. Hopefully enough of us can speak up and Festool will hear our concerns.
I bought one of these right away and the sound is exactly how it sounds here, it’s like a dentist drill!
I was so disappointed, for me it’s simply unbearable so I sent it back straight away.
I’m not sure how Festool let this past surely someone must have pointed this out before releasing it.
I love festool kit but not this one!!
Regarding the sound, you did not do a realtime test screwing into wood. db may be lower under actual load when you use trigger control. Consider its purpose. When you rev a car, does it stay that loud when you are driving? no. So you prefer the larger externally mounted battery over the Bosch stick battery which disappears into the handle? Weird choice. I have the brushless flexi-click for two years now and have not been able to justify why I would get the CXS12. same torque, $139 more for the offset attachment as you said. Skip the Milwaukee it has glaring defects compared to the bosch. Your bosch is bigger and clunkier than the brushless. This is a Festool fanboy tool. The attachments do turn on bosch, pull it and turn (brushless). Bad comparison using older bosch. I dont think you properly prepared for this video comparison.
Why is it so many American TH-camrs call these tools CSX in their voiceovers rather than the actual model name which is CXS. He got it right in the title of the vid but can't remember when he actually does the voiceover. Seen at least "review" videos like this now.
Bro i didn't want this i wanted to see a heritage unit
The Milwaukee is more like the Festool… the Festool is not more like the Milwaukee. Don’t get it twisted haha
Its a tool for driving screwes and not even once you mentioned "nm"power maybe cose you know its much weaker than the bosch
Why do so many TH-camrs call it the CSX when talking about it but write CXS in their titles?? Is it a Freudian thing maybe... see-ess-sex
Haha! It’s wild how many of us have done it.
You can’t really complain about pricing/value. Every Festool item will always have a much higher price compared to other tool brands. That comes with the brand. It’s up to the individual if they think the price is justified or not.
the sound is absolutely terrible. i have the predecessor and prefer it... the new one is driving everyone nuts in the workshop
You don't know what you are doing whit Bosch right angle adjustment
Agreed. I posted in the comments that you can indeed just pull it out to adjust it. Life changing after using it incorrectly for so long!
Comparison of price is a non-starter. Everyone knows the Festool will cost more. Brush vs brushless. Didn’t mention the Festool 3-year warranty on everything including wear-and-tear items. You gave the advantage to Festool on every feature but made your decision on “sound”??? “Don’t even want others around you to hear it”….that’s a real head scratcher. Yet the feel of the Festool while your drilling those 60 holes in an hour is much better. Sorry, don’t understand the logic behind your decision.
This wasn’t a formal review and as meant to share my thoughts on it. While I did return it, I ended up rebuying a few months later.
You’re right that the feel is just so much better, as is the Centrotec system (main reason I went back).
I’m planning on posting a new video in the near future outlining these advantages more.
You need a desk job, dude :)
Haha, thanks
Ну вы сравнили, понос от боша с вечно заедающим переключателем скоростей и неэргономичной ручкой. И богоподобный эргономичный CXS
Sisi, complaining about the sounds. Go do some office work
Oh boy. Look, I’ve been in the industry for almost 30 years and if someone complains about the sound of a drill maybe they should find another vocation or hobby. Let’s grow up and be men. I own the CXS18 and love it. I’m a man and men deal with it. It’s German quality. After owning the Milwaukee version I’m happier with the Festool. Yes, Milwaukee does have good tools but over the years I’ve noticed that quality control is way down.
It is just a shame that you don't want to pay for that extra part that you are "just a shaming Festool" for. Beggars can be choosy.