Inside the Chieftain's Hatch M8 HMC Pt 2.
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- Catching up on the cross-posting from the World of Tanks channel, if you aren't following it. The M8 Howitzer Motor Carriage at the Museum of the American GI in College Station, TX. For those who missed Part 1, • Inside the Chieftain's...
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My uncle Bobby was a loader in a M 18 somewhere during the battle of the bulge. At dawn one morning a armored force was approaching and the commander poked his head up and it was taken off. The brain parts, skull fragments covered the turret and his body fell into the tank. The driver flooded it and it wouldn’t start. It was time to get out which they did. As they ran toward the trees the M18 was hit and totally exploded and my uncle got hit by machine gun fire in both legs. His buddies dragged him into the woods and were there for three days in the snow until the Germans were pushed back.
He got to go home. My poor grandparents then had two recovering sons at home…. One from the Pacific recovering from malaria and wierd fungus.
My dad was on a Liberty Ship on his way somewhere in the Pacific and another one was in the merchant marine
I aske my uncle Bobby if I could see his scars as a little kid who loved GI Combat comics. I wished I never saw them! He pulled up his pant legs and his scars were large, dented, and chunks of muscle had been shot away.
He died in his fifties from alcoholism and emphysema from heavy smoking. Today we would call it PTSD.
I loved my uncle Bobby
Being born just 15 years after the war,and living in the Ardennes,I am very thankful to your uncle Bobby and all the ones like him.
I'm very much aware that they saved me from growing up doing Nazi salutes in a brown shirt.
@@viandengalacticspaceyards5135 thank you
I have seen such scars. Your Uncle in truth belonged to our greatest generation.
Real or not that was a pretty good story!
I wish every restoration was as detailed as this one. It's great to see all the extra bits in the spots they're supposed to be in since it gives a real picture of what it would have been like in service. There are so many times you point out "spare rounds would be stored under the hull in this area," or point out the locations of other various things, but on video it's just an empty area and requires some use of the imagination. When it's restored like this tank is, you get to see what it would really be like.
I get to work on and with this vehicle at the museum of the American GI and it’s amazing the amount of detail Brent Mullins puts into his restorations
@@Bawbag0815 good job. She is a beauty.
@@Bawbag0815 He has done an amazing job. The vehicle looks ready for an inspection by some VIP.
Does Chieftain qualify as VIP?
@@markfryer9880 chieftain and Sofilein are our common VIPs to events but that’s what the vehicle always looks like inside and out, whether we’re driving them or they’re sitting on display. Always at their best
The Museum of the American GI does a grand job, well worth visiting on an event day or otherwise! It's wild to see these old veterans running as if no time had passed at all.
I can’t believe how smooth and quiet that little bugger is. I used to go deaf when driving my semi restored M3 Stuart with radial... I eventually sold it and moved into Ferrets instead
Sensible
I really enjoy these outdoor, daytime shots of the interior of a mostly functional vehicle (along with the driving footage), glad you get to have some fun with these (relative) rarities. (Yes, I know its a repost and didn't happen recently)
I like to think the sound of the siren at the end was not from the tank, but Nic himself
yooooo nordern love your content speaking of whens the next wt vid. I also thought the same thing.
Bald
@@jamescharlesworth775 dang , i wanted to Say it first
This made it infinitely more funny to me, thanks as always Nordern
I love your raw honesty, "this is indeed a marketing ploy" and your extremely mild pitch " if you feel like it, go ahead and go show your support". Love it man. The tanks are great too.
I have heard from several ex-tankers that the belly escape hatch on various types of tank was most commonly used as the "pee hatch"; as in not having to leave the tank in the rain to take a pee.
That sounds helpful
to quote the Chieftain: M8 everyone should get one... ^~^ Later that day: But honest honey, It followed me home... 0~o I just don't see Missus Chieftain buying that... ^~^
I dearly love seeing FULL restorations like this. I like to see the stowed ammo, hand weapons, fire extinguishers instead of "now imagine this rack is full of ammo and... ". 😁
Based on how difficult it usually to go out the "escape hatch", I'd think it's in case of rollover, when the upper (turret) hatches are blocked by a wall or the ground.
either that, or if there's something trying to pick you off as you try to get out
@@Voron_Aggrav even so you'd probably still go out over the top anyway.
When your tank is under heavy machine gun fire. You would prefer to squeeze out the bottom where they cannot hit you than risk collecting a swarm of angry bullets passing you by
@@glenmcgillivray4707 that was indeed what I was thinking of, it's generally not great to enter such a hailstorm it's generally bad for your health, and if the Vehicle is being generally disagreeable with your presence that bottom Hatch makes a Great option to avoid both sources of unpleasantness
the rolling over of the tank would also have removed the stuff that is in the way....
Those bogey wheels wouldn't happen to be 22" would they?
Thanks go to the guy at Aberdeen who obviously had had enough calling it by the designated name and grabbed a stencil and a can of paint to end the argument......
Thinking specifically about the the upgunned variant, I wonder if it would have been possible to fit a 57mm M1 anti-tank gun into that turret? Seems like a a more suitable weapon for a "light Tank Destroyer" than the 75mm M3 in the "M8A1"
the M1 57mm would have ''easly'' fit that turret, but it never happend pressumably for the same reasons the half track with the 57mm never entered service
@@skriv0in0navn I mean, all it would need is some light modifications. Nothing too drastic.
Sure since they could fit a 75mm cannon in the M8A1. A 57mm would give you a little more armor penetration with the loss of the better HE capability of a 75. Most rounds fired by Tanks and Tank Destroyers were HE in support of the infantry. The same problem was with the M18 and its 76 MM gun was that the HE round was inferior to the 75 MM but the M18 was used to support the infantry when there were no enemy tanks around to shoot at.
@@patrickwentz8413 A tank destroyer, by doctrine, should be shooting first. And the 57mm gun will do fine against Pz III and IV.
@@polygondwanaland8390 the 57mm is more than enough to kill them yes, but the 57mm lost to the 75mm in the gun trials a couple years earlier, since they found the 75mm to both be better at dual purpose, and had better range, which is why the 75mm was originally chosen for the sherman and such
Way, way back in my early teens I recall seeing a single, still black and white photo of three M8s with their guns at what I assume was near max or max elevation and having just fired in "unison". In addition, on a rare occasion, I would spot one or two in "stock" film footage of WWII vintage used in documentaries. Since the internet did not exist back then and print references were few and far between in our local library, I made the assumption that the M8 was some sort of breech loaded mortar carrier....Not to mention I had no idea what "HMC" stood for. Thanks so much for a fascinating couple of videos covering an AFV of WWII that I wondered about for decades but never managed to do research on myself. Excellent video as usual! Take care and may you and yours have a Happy and Safe New Year!
Doesn't HMC stand for "Her Majesty's Clunker"?
That looks like an exceptional reconstruction.
this is the first christmas in 7 years I didn't get massively absorbed into WoT and I'm say I'm not feeling twitchy and ready to re-install. The game really pissed me off in 2020-2021 but I still enjoy Chieftains videos !
Agreed. Went back to it recently. No where near as good as my memory serves
Good for you! Hope you had a good one.
@@laxingpiper23 Came back as well and found fun again. Will probably stop playing as soon as weather permits to go back to welding outdoors though 😉
I won't say that this video is the reason I now own an M12 panoramic sight, but it's certainly a large contributing factor.
The m8 has something oddly cool about it
I think so too
It's the twin Cadillac engines, I think. Am I the only one who was impressed by how dialed in the mechanicals were? You burn 1930's automotive unobtanium to keep those going. I mean, who even knows how to rebuild a Hydromatic anymore?
I like it because of the gun, the nugget launcher. With the velocity of a fat guy on a Walmart scooter eating a McChicken
@@rwaitt14153 they're pretty simple from what I understand. Manufacturing them is the hard part.
Very well restored vehicle, kudos to the restoration crew and owner.
I don't know why I love this little coconut launcher so much. There's just something about pocket tanks like the M8 and M5 that is so cool!
A beautiful restoration. Looks like Chieftain hopped into a time machine and went back to 1944.
Need an edit of that big red button press to have a negligent discharge
Very interesting video as always on the M8 HMC which I envy you very much that you were able to drive such a well restored vehicle! It was very effective in mountainous areas like in Italy both because of narrow roads and steep hills. My late Italian father told me he has seen them passing his town rushing to Pisa and the Gothic line. He always was amazed by the sheer quantity of war material and numerical superiority of vehicles and AFV! Good job and I wish you a happy new year and a great 2020👍👍👍
"Much to your wife's annoyance."
TRUTH
Thank you, I've always wondered about the M8 and I appreciate this being posted during the Holidays. Was the Jerry can stowed internally fuel or water? Wonder why it wasn't mounted externally and the space used for more .50 cal ammo.
Another informative and entertaining video. I particularly enjoy watching these beautifully restored armor vehicles being operated.
Thank you, Chieftain!
Oh no the tank is on fire... Use the extinguisher... Nice!
That is an extremely sexy restoration job holy hell.
This is one of the nicest tanks he's been in, especially for it being a runner.
Ya know I've been playing world of tanks for something like 5 years.
So I can't be one of the new players using the link, but every time you put out videos I end up playing again and usually buying something, so hopefully I contribute to the statistics.
Nice and fun little tank. Great restoration, well done to that team and thanks to Chieftain and camera guys for the video
Chieftain you are the man I look up to you you're story too is bad ass I also want to ride in the tiger or sit in a tiger I or II
That's a "Honey" of a little Stuart howitzer. As it was used in rain and snow there must be some drains in the floor? Was there a supplied canvas tarp to cover the top when not in combat?
Yep. They had a tarp to cover the turret. Majority of US open tops had them too.
Enjoyed the shameless tone of the advertising of WoT.
They paid for the Time and travel to let "Cheiftan" play with the cool restoration they get their Promotion !
I'm guessing that it's just coincidence, but the conspiracy side of me has to ask was the "Inside the Chieftain's Hatch" was saved for the end of the year (2 videos in 2 days)?
Nothing to do with the calendar
They were especially valuable in Italy, where their small size, maneuverability, and high-traverse indirect-fire was incredibly useful in the rugged sloped terrain.
Nick......you KNOW you wanted to try and roll over that row of parked cars!
Hmmm, where can I pick one of these up? I'd love to have it for Green Bay Packer's home games (yes, I can get tickets, I just can't tell you how).
The only machine gun.... And here's a sub machine gun
This is a marketing ploy. But an enjoyable one.
I recall reading that the M8 HMC had no assistant driver, since with there being no bow machine gun he would have no specific duties. When moving, the cannoneer or gunner (don't recall which) would shift to the assistant driver seat, leaving the turret free for the other two crew members.
With artillery pieces there were frequently ammunition vehicles that would accompany the Battery with the Canadian Forces. I don't imagine this would be entirely different from the US ones. They preferred to use the ammunition out of the limber vehicle and same the rounds in the vehicle itself where possible. When firing was intense everyone anywhere near the gun position from cooks, to clerks to Sigs to drivers and mechanics were fair game for the guns to use in handling ammunition. I imagine having an extra dude or 2 around to go on flank security or help haul ammo would have been very welcome.
In fact back when I was a young lad a Sgt grabbed a brigadier general and his entourage and set them to loading rounds when there was a 40 or 50 round fire for effect. His excuse was that the manual says he can employ the personnel on his gun position as he sees fit, and well, they {were} on his gun position..
@@jeroylenkins1745 I must say he's got Brass balls for using the Brass like that :D did they actually help?
I imagine it depended on the unit. The official compliment was 4, but often units would adjust to suit their tastes (i.e. TBM Avenger crews were usually only 2 men in the last year of the war, since the radio operator and bombardier were usually redundant and were not protected by armor. But the official crew was 3 or 4. B-17s and 24s usually ditched their waist and ball gunners by the end of the war. I can see why units would like the 4th crewman, even if he had "no official duties", there is always something for a fourth guy to do, usually during maintenance, or when towing, or on sentry duty, or just to take turns with the driver so he doesn't have to exhaust himself driving 12 hours or more a day on long routes.
No Redshirts got killed during the Shooting of this Video 🖖
What an immaculately restored vehicle. Looks like it just came off the production line.
I wonder if it even looked that good off the production line.
any plans on taking a look at an M113 or and other APC's ?
The phillipines had some of these on amphib tracks until a couple of years ago.. though they lost their amphibi capacity a while back...
It reminds me of Bonaparte from Dominion tank Police.
"WEEEOOoooo!" "That scared the crap out of me." I can see your grin Chieftain, you rascal. :D
When driving around it looks very much like a wind-up tin toy tank from the 30s... ;-)
Did you say underswore flooring?, Just wondering I like how you explain the controls for this Tank.
The occasional video that pops up on TH-cam clearly filmed in summer during these dank, drab winter months is nice.
I always keep it to myself but I feel bad because I like the Chieftain's content but War Thunder is far superior then World of Tanks :/
"Great (Gen.) Scott!" it took you long enough to release part two!
I have no idea why, but my family had a periscope site and an M56 site that my brothers and I used to pay with when we were young. I'm guessing we got them as surplus when we visited Ft. Lewis back in the 1960s. Fortunately no one targeted our Studebaker station wagon when we were tooling around the back of the base. 😮
My Dad almost bought a Norden Bombsight that was on sale at a rural farm auction in Virginia. Given all of the useless crap he did buy I've always been a bit upset that he didn't get it!
@@juvandy Some would argue that the Norden bombsight was almost useless crap after reading the WWII strategic bombing study. No where near the claimed accuracy from my reading of the documentation. Would be a bragging piece though, due to the fame generated by the self-promotion of the Norden company.
Well it's not like we would have used it. Still an impressive bit of engineering even if it wasn't perfect.
@@ssgtmole8610
That's total BS.
US bomber crews were far more accurate than any other type of heavy bomber of the war and it was because of the Norden bomb site.
The 8th Air Force was bombing from higher altitudes than anyone else and was putting far more bombs on target than anyone else was, example;
The RAF claimed a 36% bombs on target average, but their target was a entire city, the 8th Air Force claimed a 32% bombs on target or within 1,000 ft, and their target was a factory and even sometimes an individual building, so which do you think is more accurate? Planes dropping bombs that 64% don't even hit an entire city or 32% hitting a specific target with the remaining 68% hitting close by?
Try reading what the Germans had to say about who dropped the most accurate bombs before you start believing all the BS written over the years by people who want to put themselves out there as "experts".
The fact is the Norden bomb site made US bomber crews the most accurate by far of the war.
Watch a video from Greg's Airplane's and Automobiles channel titled "B17 vs the Lancaster, the truth!!!" He goes over all this in it and dispells the myth that the Norden bomb sight wasn't accurate.
@@juvandy Yep. Norden was trying to improve accuracy so civilians were less likely to be killed. Unfortunately, most bombing tactics evolved to area bombing, and civilians were essentially declared combatants because they were potentially supporting their country's war effort.
WOT frequent player. Thanks Chieftain for bringing me to the game and for the great vids. This has been great fun.
Did it come with a rain tarp ..over the top..?
Most armoured vehicles did. However it was mainly to keep water off the ammunition and out of the engine bay as much as anything.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howitzer_Motor_Carriage_M8#/media/File:SC_208600_-_Soldiers_of_the_77th_Inf._Div._walk_past_mud-clogged_tanks_parked_by_the_side_of_the_road_on_Okinawa._26_May,_1945.jpg
Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Took you a while to get around to showing us this one didn't it.
Ah a big red button to fire, so simple and fun
Ironic, how I find the videos you do yourself of higher quality than the ones with all the WoT stuff like the intro
I can't imagine sitting above all of that ammunition like that.
Tankers and flight crew in WW2 really were a different breed.
They regularly requested MORE ammo stowage
And no roof to protect you from an air burst!
@@doughudgens9275 If an airburst round goes off over top of you, the ammo under you is the least of your concerns.
I must say that I enjoy these so much I'm watching the latest video instead of getting ready for new years
What a cute little killing machine . 😍
Very Cool... Looks like an excellent restoration. Thanks for posting
Russ
Enjoyed the video, thanks for the demonstration. Looks like fun!
Knew you wouldn't be able to resist trying out the siren.
wish they made a couple m8a1s. i know they didnt need it, but i really like it
Well that has to be the longest wait between pt 1 & 2.
Awesome restoration of the vehicle. I hope more government museums get the funds to have vehicles restored to this level.
It was released on World of Tanks youtube channel like 6 months ago
COLLEGE Station, Texas home of the Fightin' Texas Aggies! Every train stop has to have a name, and with nothing else in the area in 1876 but farms, cattle, and wolves the only reason to stop was for the Morrill Act land-grant college created to train young officers for the military (the same for pretty much every "A&M" or "State" college in America, including Penn State at College Station, PA). At the end of the video, you can see that, "Highway 6 runs both ways." (If you don't like it at A&M, you can leave.")
Want a fun suggestion to upset all the tank programs, and EXPLAIN to the players?
SHOW how well viewports work, past and present.
ANd if possible, show how well a little camo works when using a Viewport.
PLEASE.
Off-topic for this video but a Chieftan video on the history of modern wheeled vehicle employment (especially the less than brilliant choice of the HWWMV for urban combat despite the prior examples of Viet Nam then Mogadishu where unarmored/poorly armored vehicles never intended for close combat were easy RPG fodder) evolution would nicely complement the tank-centric content.
Necessity to self-defend against multiple threats (UAS, ATGW, projectiles, RPG) while protecting infantry will require carrying heavy defensive systems light non-expeditionary armored cars designed around constabulary operations will make life difficult for users of inadequate systems.
The Pacific Pivot is fine (for the Navy) but we don't always fight the wars we prefer. Wheels remain limiting not empowering except for low production cost and sometimes more convenient maintenance. Tracks are very far from obsolete because SOMETHING will be required to haul heavy weapons and self-defend in an era where many drones can bypass a tiny few exquisite aircraft.
cool to see one in working condition
That driving demonstration was awesome.
Hey yaknow the scorpion and how it's in WOT right? the tank with the open back and stuff, and those Russian tanks that fire two shots at once? well, if that exists, why not have a M50A1 Ontoss too? It's an American tank that fires 6 shots at once and looks ridiculous, me and my dad personally hope it gets in the game someday.
Loved playing the M8A1, had net and binos on it, crew was trained in concealment. Would just rock away with this thing
As always thank you for an interesting and informative video. Did I miss of 1 to this?
Part 1
Funny that Mr. Moran embraces his Irish heritage in some ways but he still calls it a "transmission" and not a gearbox. Which is actually the accurate term.
My man who was the engineer behind
Of this tank?
Open top, wheels horrible, horrible cannon
How horrible the tank can be?
Given that the HEAT round of the M8 HMC could actually damage enemy tanks more significantly than the 37mm AP round, it begs the question as to whether it would've been more effective in the Light Tank role than the M3/M5. If the M3/M5's had been modified to become M8s, and these M8s were then attached to the Tank Battalions, Light Tank Battalions and Cavalry Reconnaissance squadrons (instead of the M3/M5), you probably would've had a more effective fighting force. The 37mm AP rounds of the M3/M5 were incapable of defeating most German armour, and the 37mm HE rounds had only slightly more explosive power than a grenade. Had M8s replaced the Stuarts, the amount of firepower would be significantly increased without losing the effectiveness of light tanks.
Note that various US Field Manuals prior to Normandy saw a clear combat role for light tanks in engaging enemy armour and enemy positions. The idea of using them in Recon units (such as Cavalry Recon Sqs and Grps) was only to offer increased fire support when the units engaged the enemy. As such, the M3/M5 light tank failed to live up to expectations. Light tank units in Tank Battalions were often attached to other recon units because that was the only combat role they were useful for. Prior to this they were used as field ambulances and ammunition supply for Shermans.
The M8 was still just a SP Howitzer. The HEAT rounds were just for self-defense. The crew probably did their best to avoid enemy armour (unless it was a Pz I or II 🙄).
The M66 HEAT wasn't issued widely and it was not very accurate at distance. The M8HMC was NOT a light tank.
You are very mistaken about M3/5s. They were very much used in the recon and counter-recon screening role and to support infantry.
You need to cite some sources about lt. tank companies being used as ambulances and ammo supply. lol.
@@obsidianjane4413 If you scroll down you can see that even with the paras being lightly armed they only dropped 120 rounds M66 armour piercing into Arnhem total. Even with a 105mm howitzer the drill was to pull out 6 anti-tank rounds in case of tank alert. If you didn't see off the tanks with those, you were in a bad way.
It's not that the howitzers were inaccurate with M66 ammo; they could in fact be quite accurate against point targets. It's that compared to anti-tank guns the muzzle velocity was quite low making it much more challenging to hit moving targets. Artillery isn't an asset you want to throw against tanks unless it is truly a matter of absolute last resort.
arnhemjim.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-1st-airborne-divisions-75mm-pack.html
@@obsidianjane4413 M3/M5s WERE used in recon, mainly because they had to find a use for them.
Sources:
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Assertion: Light Tanks were expected to attack enemy armor and enemy positions in an armored assault:
"Light tanks, as compared to medium tanks, have less fire power, lighter armor and armament, greater speed, and better maneuverability. They are particularly fitted for -
1) Feeling out and developing weak spots in the enemy position through which medium tanks may attack.
2) Screening the advance against light enemy resistance.
3) Leading an attack against an unarmored enemy weak in antitank defense when speed is essential
4) A fast maneuvering force to exploit the success of other tanks
5) Maneuver to flank or rear to strike the enemy command posts, communication centers, reserves and vital installations.
6) Pursuing a defeated enemy."
Armored Force Field Manual FM 17-30, Tank Platoon, October 22, 1942, p. 1-2
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Assertion: Light Tanks were not expected to function as Reconnaissance Units:
"The Tank Platoon is not a reconnaissance unit although at times it may be used for reconnaissance purposes"
Armored Force Field Manual FM 17-30, Tank Platoon, October 22, 1942, p 55-56
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@@johnknapp952 You really wouldn't want to use them against fast tanks. The lower muzzle velocity of the artillery rounds compared to tank or anti-tank weapons meant it was quite challenging to hit quickly moving targets. Even a 20mm gun would be something of a danger to an M8 HMC.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_cm_KwK_30
I love these videos. but man, I don't love WoT. I beta tested WoT years and years ago. when War Thunder came out, I beta tested that too. never looked back.
Waiting for 6 months was well worth it!
Hey Chieftain, would love to support but uhhhh, i already have WoT and have had it for like, a long time. any other ideas?
Reverse gears are almost universally the most torque producing gears and have a very flat mesh. The flat 90 degree gear mesh makes for better power input but the lack of angle offset means there is no slack present in the system so it can bind up far more easily. It also makes reverse very loud. That whine cars make when they reverse is a result of that 90 degree gear angle. No matter how hard and strong you make that gear it cant deal with the uneven pressures one live and one dead engine exert on it. It cant slip or slide so instead it gets stripped and neither engine can input power anymore.
These design choices are also why you tend to see tanks using reverse as their primary recovery-tow gear; its the highest torque gear available in the system so it can start the most weight moving.
I always hear all these fallback mechanisms on these old vehicles for ignition with a dead starter. I know it's a lot of power and a particularly tough job for each engine, but is the starter really so unreliable on these smaller engines? It gets mentioned a lot in the user manual, but I've never heard any maintenance or part data to imply that the starter was unreliable or prone to breakage.
I forgot... Mr chief. Gets to hang out with young chicks all day long... Lol
Must have a good wife to deal with that
Nice to see the 14th markings.
I really want a panzer for H with the 105 howitzer but the hmca looks like it's able to be driven by one person and use completely by one person they unfortunate thing is the howitzer is small enough that it can't actually do damage to it Abrams but the 105 howitzer on the panzer for H actually can , you have to hit it directly in the driver's hatch underneath the main Cannon , if I recall correctly the concussive force from high explosive and heat could actually do quite a bit to the crew on the inside even if you don't pen .
There is no link to WoT NA link in description. And it would be nice if that info be in start of your video. I waste some time searching for first part.
I love this AFV. Such a practical idea, especially for cavalry support. But that brings up a question I've been thinking about for a while now.
Could it have changed history if the British had a couple platoons of these (or even the M3s with 75mm guns in the back) at Arras in 1940? Would this have been enough to chase the German 88s out of their direct fire positions?
The 88s were only a part of the action and only responsible for a third of the KOed tanks (IIRC), the failure of the Allied attack was mostly due to that it wasn't nearly enough to halt the movement of the German offensive. It was only a fluke that it spooked the OKH because it was the first time the offensive had lost any ground during the campaign.
You could make an argument that they should have had something/anything with a 75 or a 25 pounder, but British doctrine was still fatally flawed. Even if the M8 existed in 1940, they wouldn't have been where they were needed..
I'd argue that it wouldn't have helped.
The M3/5/8 light tanks are very tall, and pretty large targets.
@@obsidianjane4413 I guess my point is that it seems like the British should have noticed the problem and found some kind of stop-gap solution by the North African battles of 1941. This was basically the role of horse artillery in the 19th century which the British were well aware of. After what happened to Ney at Waterloo when he didn't have horse artillery, you would have thought this lesson wouldn't have been forgotten so quickly.
Chieftain's Hatch is better than playing World of Tanks
"FIRING!" *aggressively slaps button*
Oh hey. I thought you forgot about this one...
I guess you didnt, but Wargaming did.
you can play for free, but you won't have good stats, you won't do good, and you'll get frustrated at being so bad.
wow, Part 2 took a really long time to edit >_>
~6 months apart from the previous release
6 months for part 2 plus an oddly shoehorned WoT trailer at the beginning? I sense hassle from Wargaming over how The Chieftain has been uploading these videos
I like the Stuart tanks all variants. They had a job to do and were only as good as their crews a d training.
Only a Irish man of a certain time could start singing the ying_tong song! A Mr milligoon fan?
Finally, a tank you don't hit your head against the ceiling.
That's why there are helmets. Then & now. YW
Your going to have fun fun till your daddy takes your M8 away
Which M8?
The MGC or Greyhound AC/LTD?
This was a great one. Thanks
Random Question, can anyone tell me what the tank on the far left is during the into animation?
can't find part 1
It's been six months so yeah, it's been a while.
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@@Elmarby thank you
im quite busy, couldnt find it