FFXIV 101: Gearing Up While Leveling
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I've only seen 25secs of the video so far but OH BOY do I understand the need for this.
I very clearly remember this one time, I was leveling up Dark Knight and got into Aurum Vale, a lvl 50+ white mage neko-girl was our healer and we wiped three times on the first boss because for some reason I coudnt stay alive. I was blaming myself and they were blaming me too... until I saw that the WHM had level 20 gear, very neatly glamourized with mogstation stuff so it looked decent.
I pointed that out and got kicked in seconds.
You or the WHM?
@@sK_SK8s both
PS for new peeps: Especially do the Hall of the Novice trials at level 15! It'll outfit you with a set of gear which can actually carry you to about level 20-30 (definitely upgrade if you get dungeon gear that drops once you hit around level 24 or so if it's better, and make sure to keep up with the rest of your gear, but I've found that even the tank gear can keep up with dungeons such as Totorak).
You'll get a chest piece, hands, legs, and feet...plus if you do the final trial, you get a ring which gives a good +3 to all the major stats and increases the exp you earn if you're level 50 or below (this exp boost does not apply in PoTD). So, from about 15-24, you only really have to keep up with your weapon (as the weapon provides some of the highest stats) and possibly accessories (you can probably skim the surface with the accessories and just get them as quest rewards or through your GC).
I've never tried the Hall of the Novice with a caster dps, but you can get caster gear (balanced Mind and Int) if you go in as a healer, tank gear if you go in as a tank, and melee dps gear if you go in as any of the many dps classes (even ranged classes like Archer).
Also, if you decide to level via PoTD (and-or HoH), please do your class/job quests (this will require you to be geared)...especially if you're a tank. Your job quests will give you very important skills (like your tank stances, which you'll always have one of the two up at all times once you obtain them).
I thought the ring you get from hall of the novice was increased xp to level 30?
Many people also disregard upgrading their weapon if tank or healer, when they are also super important both to keep aggro output ahead did what the spa generate and to increase your healing potency. If you are a tank or a healer don't disregard your weapon, it can have a very very big impact
When I first started playing I was told that if I go healer or tank then I need to make sure that my gear is within 5 levels of the dungeon that I'm trying to enter. DPS can far away with 10 lvls difference.
Having casually leveled almost every class in the game now over a span of 2k hours I can say that that was some sound advice.
The weapon is the most important piece of gear and that's true for any job/class, except BLU, in the entire game.
Weapon always feels like the most important gear to me regardless of class.
That's the most common noobish mistake a lot of players make. Healers decked out in Ironworks but still using some shitty level 45 weapon cause they think it doesn't matter.
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz Same. I always neglect my belt.
After watching the video, I think the responsibility swings both ways in making sure no player has a miserable time with leveling. I never felt right about chewing out new players over their underdeveloped gear, tho I still point it out to them. I try my best to educate them on how to get adequte gear and if their on my same server, I try to point them to someone who can make them gear (if not myself). While I do agree that it's not everyone's constant responsibility to look after new players 24/7, I also feel as a community we have to play a role in friendly guidance and mentorship so we don't create any scarring toxicity that could be someone else's scar.
Exactly. I always give tips to players who seem to be struggling. Yes they annoy me sometimes but I always collect myself and then point out something which they can improve on.
Unfortunately there are people who are absolutely maniac and will destroy you if you don't do things perfectly. I had a guy quit a dungeon once because I didn't have the better weapon for my lvl. Dude I was leveling up so fast that I will touch my gear when o get to lvl 60. And it's not like we were doing something difficult.
Omg thank you, this is exactly what I’ve been trying to find for a while now. As a new-ish player (only a bit into HW) I kitted myself out in gear with the Tomestones but stopped collecting them cause I didn’t know if they were only a RR thing and maybe HW/SB were a different currency. It’s really tough to find guides like this for middle game stuff. Everything seems to be directed at brand new players or endgame players.
To be specific on when Level Cap (50/60) gear "expires" and what gear is better:
- lvl50 Augmented Ironworks gear (i130) falls slightly behind High Quality lvl54 gear (i133); and the first Dungeon that awards better gear is The Aery at lvl55, which rewards the Orthodox Set (i136).
- lvl60 Augmented Shire gear (i270) is slightly worse than High Quality lvl64 gear (i273); and the first Dungeon to farm for upgrades will be Bardham's Mettle and its Nomad Set at lvl65 (i276).
Judging from this pattern, it's safe to say that the lvl70 i400 Augmented Scaevan Set can be expected to hold up until you start getting HQ lvl74 gear (i403), and the lvl75 dungeon should reward an i406 set.
Except that for SB, the Defense stat is VASTLY superior on the HQ i273 gear, so for a tank, if you have the option for the HQ i273 gear, you should take it.
The HQ gear is better than i270 in every regard and actually makes it much, much easier to get your hands on the i276 gear from Bardham's.
(HQ i273 have 11.92% more defense than Aug Shire for tanks.)
Healers, maybe, take the gear, I can't really say since I don't really play healers.
For DPS, if you have access to it, do it, just try to get the weapon at least.
Am I the only one who heard him say you upgrade Ironworks gear through Drake at Quarrymill? I thought it was Hrystmill...
Happy did misspoke, it is Hrystmill. For those who are new and reading this, Hyrstmill is located in the North Shroud just outside Old Gridania in the North Eastern most corner.
Something also to note is that in the earlier levels, any job can equip any gear. I've seen tanks wear caster gear before, healers wear casting gear. So just make sure you equip the right type of gear for your job. I've seen people equip the wrong type of gear before and they are squishy as hell too. It's as bad as having someone under the minimum item level you "should" be to complete a levelling dungeon (even though those don't have ilvl restrictions).
That doesn't make sense as gear, even low lvl gear, is locked out between DoW and DoM. No idea how a tank would go about wearing healer gear.
@@justinpurdy3117 Compatability goes downwards. Tanks can wear DoW gear and most mage and DoH gear is 'All Classes', so it's possible to see a tank wear something completely mismatched, but the only way for a mage to run around with the wrong pants is by wearing DoH equipment.
Hilariously, having my level 68 bard in 270 gear is the only time I've ever gotten all 3 commendations as a dps.
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When I was starting new and playing through initially, I found even a new player can keep up gear good easily from 1-60 since even vendor gear was available in main cities for most part and market board gear was pretty cheap too so that was not a problem. The BIG problem I found at least while you're working on the MSQ for the first time in Stormblood for 60-70, you can so easily outlevel the gear process for those levels just doing roulettes everyday so you can get to be high level in only level 60 gear and still be a ways behind on the MSQ and the big problem is in SB, they made the gear vendors for certain levels be in certain areas along the line of MSQ so like I got to 1 point where I was 66 or 67 still in Poetic lv 60 gear and only on about lv 62 or 63 MSQ so I couldn't get to lv 66 vendor gear and market board gear was WAY too expensive for a new player to afford cause they were 50k-100k or even more for 1 piece and at those levels as a new player, I only had about half a mil or less gil. Thankfully I found some great people in the free company I joined that I asked for help and they went and bought some lv 66 gear from vendor and came out to meet me and traded me the gear so I could survive a lot better and it didn't take forever to kill anything. The fact 60-70 vendors are spread out rather than in Rhalgr's Reach or Kugane is bad for times like now with new players. They could stand to change that at least.
Sorry for long ramble but since you mentioned gearing while leveling, I wanted to share my experience while being a new player again (player before and lost account info so I had to start over when I returned).
Should add also that my experience came from the fact that I paid the extra $50 to also boost a job to 60 (although I wound up not playing it long and switched cause I couldn't get the hang of rotation as a first job but will go back to it later) and skip straight to Stormblood MSQ and skipped ARR and Heavensward story.
Two things I want to add.
Please for the love of God, do NOT roll need on items you're just going to sell for seals. Let the new players get upgrades if they need them. Seals are NOT a need situation.
Also, if you're running duties--ROLL or PASS immediately when loot shows up. That stupidly undergeared tank could need 3 upgrades, and they're all just 'sitting away' in the loot window, because some one's too lazy to roll and would rather just let it time out. I can't tell you how many times as a tank I've literally stopped pulling to yell at people to roll or pass.
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Additionally, that augmented gear Happy was talking about can be dyed if that helps motivate people to get it.
Unless, of course, you're a tank/healer and you're the only one that can use the equipment. In which case, duh. I'm not going to give away every piece of equipment to players that MIGHT use it for a second or third job, the roll system exists so people have a chance to roll for it, and if you lose, better luck next time. It's nice to think of others, but I need ventures for my retainers and books for my crafters and gatherers to level up faster. We can't all be super generous carebears.
And really? Holding up the whole party to insist everyone rolls for loot? That's super petty, just move on, the timer is only like 5 minutes. Worst case scenario everyone will get it when the non-roller exits the dungeon.
okay so what happy said was “just greed it even if your not the role that can equip that gear” he just said greed
For an example you greed tank gear for 77 and your a healer
The tank rolls need for 4
The tank wins it because he needed it not greed
Read dumbass
I say everyone choose need on something they need. You have no idea 99% of the time what player/roll needs what gear. If I know I can sell something for seals I will need it. I play this game to help my player grow. If someone asks in chat for certain items then for sure I'll let them have it, I will pass. But if its just a cash grab, every man, woman or Miqo'te for themselves lol
God you're such a dick aren't you?
This makes no sense, a new player running anything as Tank or Healer will ALWAYS get the gear they roll need on because no one else can. ARR is an exception since more classes share gear, but at this point of the game, gear is much more cheaper vs HW or SB.
I'm a new player, so I appreciate vids like this that help me out with what to do! Been loving your content. Thanks!
Thank you. Been seeing a lot of new players doing dungeons with a very low lvl weapon
Earl Skiiwalker good amount of players in 380-390 item gear with
@@GrapeJuiceCXX that's probably because it's easier to spend 375-495 tomestones to upgrade an accessory or armor piece then it is to spend 1000 tomes + getting 4-7 crystalloids for a weapons tomestone. Plus, weapons don't really drop from higher level dungeons and 24 man raids. Weapons really only drop from Ex trials. Outside of that, it's tome exchange or crafted HQ, which newer players might not be aware of.
Hope lots of people see this video had a healer in the sirensong sea dungeon in ilv 200 gear last night.
Same here... Not sure what it is with that dungeon. Tanking that was painful.
as for me, I mainly lvl my alts with MSQ, lvling & Alliance roulettes with ilvl130 & ilvl270 gears that my main provides. It also helps to lvl what I call mercenary jobs (tanks & healers) for the easy Gil, tomes & crackcluster bonuses you get from the roulettes. Overall, good advice vid, ty.
Another thing beside gearing up is to do class quests for every 5 levels. You will need certain skills from those quests in order to do a proper higher level dungeons.
Most important upgrades are weapons then chests and legs then head, gloves and boots and then accessories and belts, usually try to keep your weapon and chest+legs up to date
As a recent returner, I was wondering why I was still getting Poetics if they were only useful for L50 gear. But I haven't gotten through the HW MSQ yet. Glad to know they're still useful for i260 gear.
Lol I had a healer queue aurum vale in ilv 20 or lower gear. Couldnt even clear the first boss.
At that point there's no excuse to not have your job armor. It's literally handed to you.
Tank: "Let's take it easy!"
Tank: (first generic enemy of the dungeon sneezes on him)
Tank: (half of his HP is gone)
As a healer main, I feel obligated to take you up on that offer, mister undergeared tank. As a matter of fact, why don't you go take a nap over there?
For me the gear progression for my alts is: 1 - 15 use quest items (not really important), 15 - 30 (or Brayflox unlock) use the Brand New sets from Hall of Novice + Friendship Circlet or Quest/Dgn helm, 30 - 45 use any Dgn drops you get until 45 then swap in your AF gear, 45 - 50 use AF gear + Dgn body until 50 then switch to full AF set then start farming Poetics to get ilvl129/130. After that just start collecting Dgn drops once your gear starts falling behind all the way to 60 then tomestone gear again, then do the same all the way to 70.
What is AF gear?
@@BlueFlameFIreZ AF stands for Artifact gear, it's the gear you get at the end of your lv. 45 and 50 job quests. there's also AF2 you get from your lv. 60 job quest, and AF3 you get from your lv. 70 quest. Basically it's gear that's exclusive to your Job and was designed as such.
*Edited to include corrected information*
@@logan2642
The job quests at lvl 60 now give the set of AF2. Augmented Shire is still much better, but this is great for newer players or those that don't know about it.
@@BrittneyB427 Neat, did not know that. Thanks for correcting me.
@@logan2642
No worries, I only know because of leveling alt jobs. Was not there at launch of HW. On a side note, this is probably why we are seeing people in the lvl 61 dungeon wearing ilvl 200 gear.
Thanks for all the great vids! This probably wouldn't be considered ShadowBringers prep, but I would really like to see a video about the steps in attaining the different kinds of relic weapons. I haven't completed any myself, but from the brief explanations I have seen, it seems like it could get a bit complicated. They may be obsolete, but they are very pretty for glam 😁
I'm new to FF14 and will be keenly interested in your new player vids.
Welcome to the game! ^^
I just did normal library (lvl 59) as tank. I did the normal 2 group pull. I use rampart to gather them up and used vengeance as healer couldn't keep up. I even used holmgang AND STILL DIED. I said I'll pull smaller, the group said no. Next double pull I died again. I said small it is and healer went off like "fuck me huh? Then I'll just pull for you". We died one more time on last boss as healer died to standing in red orb. Didn't dawn on me till later to check gear so I went on lodestone. Lo and behold, all but 3 pieces of gear were 50. My fault for not looking at their gear first but ticks me off they had a bad attitude and knew their gear was crap.
So many people forget about Centurio Seals. If you keep up with the Hunt Side activity, it can be an amazing way to gear. Right when you hit 70 at the current patch for catch up, I think 1k seals and some change can get you almost a full set of 330 (maybe 350 I can't remember atm) gear, which will go a long way to getting you ready to finishing up all the MSQ post 70, and the item level requirements when you first hit 70. You can start getting Clan Centurio seals in Heavensward, so if you start as soon as you can at 50-60, and then pick up the quests and do hunts 60-70, should def be enough to gear up a fresh 70 and its also great for alts too.
I play main tank (Paladin) and just recently joined an FC with many new players asking for tank tips, and the first thing I tell them is: "be geared! Always!" Keep up with gear, rather slow down in your progression in order to gear up, than being undergeared. You are a tank, you are supposed to take the hits, in order to do so you MUST be geared.
Second tip though: "know the content (dungeon/trial/whatever) and the mechanics BEFORE you play it.
If watching a 5 minute video on TH-cam before you tank something first time is not your thing, please don't be a tank. There are other people depending on your performance and (technicly) you are expected to know what you do. So please do!
And, BE GEARED!
Ty for this video! Some of us were just new and uninformed.
thank you for talking about this. i'm always talking about this topic with my fc. i'd like to see a average item lv requirement for all dungeons in ff14. going back to help out lower lv players shouldnt be a pain.
I'd like to see a minimum ilvl. Nothing too harsh, just something to serve as a target for people that are really under geared and don't realize it.
@@BrittneyB427 Agree. Something in place to give players a idea where they should be aimming for gear wise. No one thinks leveling players need to be anywhere max item lv. I just want them to not be 30 item lvs too low for the duty.
especially if you level up several different jobs you can use the shire stuff while leveling which is a giant boost. Atm the worst time leveling is from 55-60. When you reach 60 you should have enough allagan stones to at least equip 50% of your gear to shire. And dont throw it away. Its super powerful when you ever wanna level up another similar job
I loved upgrading my gear and seeing what it looks like #war #tank
thanks for this it really helped a lot i am new to this game because of you Mrhappy it seemed interesting and now i am hooked!
Something as simple as adding a min ilv for msq dungeons will do alot to solve this issue. Currently, most MSQ dungeons at any level do not have any gear requirement at all, probably done intentionally to not gate players from experiencing story content. Most of these players probably don't know they're doing something wrong, the game sure doesn't tell them. You don't get as much of these issues with 'expert' dungeons and trials/raids as those typically have min ilvs attached to them. At least something to warn players that they need to up their gear a bit would be much appreciated.
4.1+ MSQ dungeons have a req min iLvl tho ...
Skalla is the lowest with 300 req.
@@RealRowas that's post-expansion content tho, and goes along with the raid gearing tiers. This is more for leveling (1-49, 51-59, 61-69) content that typically don't have a ilv attached)
Drake isn't located in Quarrymill (South Shroud) he is located in Hyrstmill (North Shroud)
Each dungeon tell you the minimum requirements for gear and if you doesn't hit the minimum then you can't enter so I think It is safe to say playing with the minimum requirements is ok. I have all my classes to 70 and it was fine to play with the minimum gear.
That's the thing, there is only minimums on 50, 60 and 70 level content. Want to que as a tank into castrum abania with only the lvl 1 axe as warrior. Duty finder says your good to go as long as the your warrior is level 69+ with no gear required. You'll never beat it in duty finder but it allows it.
my gear progression while leveling a new job is simply to get company gear from 1 to 50, at 50 get ironwork gear and use that to get to 60, at 60 I get shire gear and use that up to lvl 70. While it might sound bad, I don't intentionally join current level dungeon and typically only use the roulette which has low odds of getting me into a dungeon in which I'm under geared, also do mind that tanks can negate having poor gear to a certain degree by staying in their tank stance, pulling slow and using cooldowns.
Yea, but then if you have poorly geared healer you'll probably either be in there near the limit or not even clear it. While 50-60 isn't as bad as 60-70 you shouldn't rely on having a fully sycned healer. Pre 50 is a cakewalk with a sycned healer. Not worth making the party suffer tho
I really appreciate all your help man
I'll admit to once trying to do the level 67 dungeon as a tank in lv 60 gear. I was defiantly under-geared and very squishy, but it wasn't really a problem until the final boss, and even then after a few attempts we made it through.
I played daily and was able to far out level the MSQ. I just bought gear from market board and glamoured them as lvl 1 gear so I can see the fear and dread in the eyes of my party mates lol
Healer in Aurum Vale with level 1 accessories. Her cure II couldn't even break 1000 HP, as well as that she wouldn't use stone and would use cure III instead of II when the tank would be in dire need of healing
As a brand new player, I am leveling so fast that my gear can’t possibly keep up. At level 33, I am getting geared by the level 20 quests in the main storyline. This is not because I ignored the MSQ... the leveling bonus is simply pushing me faster than the quests are gearing me.
I started out doing all of the side quests (because I like questing everything out), but had to drop that early on because I noticed how bad the gear was pacing. Now I have reached a point where I’m level 33 with an avg item level of 15, and I don’t have anywhere near enough Gil to make a real dent in that number through purchases.
I think I currently have about 20k Gil. Looking at the Market board, that will get me 3 to 5 pcs of gear that will (at present pace) be obsolete within 4 to 6 hours of play. I am loving the game so far, but this is a bit rough. They should probably let you pick at least 2 items from MSQ rewards.
depending on where you are exactly on the MSQ, we can probably say that you're not exactly under-geared.. You're mostly likely over-leveled. in which case you should be fine. The gear rewards from the msq, and the sidequests combined should net you a good enough gear for the current msq content that you're in. You won't be able to get the higher level dungeons anyways without any progress on the msq. aaand you're probably gonna run into some good gear in your dungeons as well. So you're probably doing fine :)
I have just returned to the game as well from years long hiatus, started a new character so that i could train myself well again, and honestly my gil was only spent on food, chocobo food, and the true end game content - Glamour Items :)
OH. and job quests will actually give you full sets of armor eventually too.
Oh man. This is perfectly timed and I’m very sorry to those people who had to baby me last night in The Aery. I’ve been levelling my first Tank (PLD) and holding off upgrading gear since I have a full set of Augmented Shire gear waiting. It’s amazing how much I spaced out on that considering my main is a WHM dealing with Savage content geared to the teeth. I definitely am guilty of underestimating regular dungeons I guess! 😩
I know it wasn't the goal but as a player since 2.0 it makes it sound like the players are assess if you're not already at the gear level that the dungeon gives you. That's one of thing that bugged me about current tier raid content is them wanting you to already be at the ilevel you get rewarded. That being said I remember at early Heavensward not having access to a good astro weapon trying to heal Dusk Vigil and struggling immensely because of being under geared. I'd just say don't try and punch above your weight class and keep an eye out for any upgrades you can get, even if it means spamming the same dungeon over and over again to try and get some upgrades.
The biggest problem is weapon upgrades, i recently got Samurai to 70 and went about trying to gear up through dungeons and if i hadn't lucked out and gotten a Seiryu katana on a rando ex run i'd still be stuck with my lost alagan katana due to not having enough mendacity and crystaloids for a better weapon.
Xilibrius this video is aimed at newer players. Someone like yourself with access to higher level content should go out their way to get better gear on other classes first not make other struggle with your shitty gear
@@enyaliosares4301 I know it's aimed at newer players but my take away feom the tone of the video is everyone is a snob and don't want to deal with under geared noobs
@@enyaliosares4301 and your response at the end kind of proves that point I guess
Xilibrius it’s not being a snob to deal with shit lazy players. It’s the shit lazy players being shit and lazy. Go get some gear and stop making others suffer. Bardams mettle was a perfect example when levelling a healer. Shit tanks rock up getting raped by the smallest of pulls.
@@enyaliosares4301 I guess it feels snobbish with the over generalization that undergeared players are "shit lazy" when it can be a gap of knowledge or. Available equipment. As I stated earlier the game doesn't make obtaining new weapons a regular thing. Especially going up in levle it seems like there's less and less available. I know personally I end up with my augmented shire weapons till late in the 60s due to the fact that there doesn't seem to be any weapon upgrades until almost 70.
Thank you for making this video I needed this so bad
Still have plans for more guides like these? This one especially was super helpful even for an experienced player like myself who had no idea what to spend tombstones on
Yeah I was wondering if you could do a video talking about role actions and how they work for each class? My friend who is new to the game wants to know more about them but he and I can find really any videos that talk about the much, only mentioned but never go into detail on what they are about or what each action does for each class.
I will never forget the long argument I had with someone who insisted i270 Shire gear was perfectly fine for all of Stormblood until you finish your job quest. He claimed to know the sound of Cure II and determined the healer didn't have any more trouble healing him in Gyr Abania. Yes, he was the tank btw.
But....you don't need to know the sound of Cure 2. It tells you what buff/debuff you get...
Also keep in mind that coming from ARR into dusk vigil will absolutely destroy you - the difference between other max level dungeons and that is crushing so please make sure you are appropriatly geared for it (and no ilvl 90 relic armor is NOT enough I have made that experience before)
Funnily enough augmented shire gear is more than enough to carry you through almost all of the SB dungeons just supplement it with your dungeon drops
A lot of this makes much more sense after you are already deep in the game. For those not yet that familiar, it is confusing. Not the concept of better gear = easier life for all, but the where to get gear. I have a week of play time - first time playing FF but I’m very knowledgeable on MMOs. I, did quite a few side quests (all blue ones I found at each map) and all my job quests so far, reached 52 a few hours ago and going for the Ultimate Weapon quest/dungeon on the main quest line. Dressed with my BLM set and all other things that dropped from the dungeons, quest rewards and duty finders I did so far, and I am struggling to find info on gear: still rocking a superb ilvl 59 :/
I had no idea what PotD was, the folks on towns whenever I shot a few Q’s weren’t that helpful after all and I still need to find some more source of data for the game. So it is not my entire fault I am lost in the world, I’m just not that up to speed as more experienced players are.
If you have a FFXIV subscription, I would suggest joining a friendly Free Company (FC) if you haven't yet. It can be a lot of fun having a community to chat and run around with. There are usually a hand full of people who have a wealth of knowledge and are willing to help out :)
Novice network helps out too, but a FC is more likely to help in the longer run if needed.
I would have liked more detail to be honest. I feel there are definitely certain dungeons where the ilvl can sneak up on players who may only have 1 at level piece or who are still carrying a lvl 5 main body piece. Like Brayflox can be a rude awakening for DPS classes. Especially the last boss. Even when a tank doing a decent job in keeping the last boss out of the acid pools or minimizing the amount of time in pools, it can be a long fight even when properly done. Or rage quit inducing where you have a mechanically weak team and now don't have the needed damage to compensate for mistakes.
Then Sunken Temple of Qarn can be a wake up call for the whole party. Even with the nerf in the bees, a poorly geared party will make for some really slow progress with a potential wall with the 2nd boss. I've done it a few times where we just can't get past it since either/or and sometimes both the tank and healer are undergeared.
Aurum Vale also another likely dungeon to hit road blocks. The dot damage and debuffs can eat through HP where it gets to a point you're fighting an enrage timer with some groups.
In HW I think the only dungeon to really look out for would be the Vault. Unless you got some really good healers for that, the last boss will make or break a team of mostly Ironworks Gear. Not worst in the Vault then finding out that you don't have enough HP or MP to survive the last boss. Well, nothing worst besides the following cutscenes...*sniff....
And so on and so forth. I would have liked to have heard your thoughts on those kinds of dungeons. Especially in regards to what kind of trouble a more casual group would run into.
4 Things I Learned While Playing
1. I know i have shit gear ok let me level to 50 and learn from there
2. Don't fucking kick me right at the end of a lv50 dungeon cause i wasnt properly using fire and blizzard combo but i was doing everything else right
3. Before doing POTD in the first place get your job unlocked, set up your hotbar so you can get a feel for the shit you'll be doing
4. Make your own free company and solo player it cause you get an extra 150 storage space :3
Overall, We all suck and that there is no good player cause people need to figure out the brand new dungeons/content shit through trial and error
I feel bad because I was really busy training and buying gear JUST for summoner and decided to go scholar and heal.
At a lvl 50+ dungeon
With level 40 (maybe more maybe less) gear. Didn’t have the Gil to buy new stuff.
Let’s just say that I could barely heal over the autoattacks.
And died a lot.
But the people were nice so that was good. Ffxiv has an amazing community; only ran into one guy that was actually bad.
glad you made this video- you're making me feel way less uncool for actually caring about my armor doing the Stormblood story as a returning player
I agree- I've had many players in a level 50 dungeon (as part of MSQ roulette) and they would have Lv 34 gear on. Everyone should grab gear closer to the level of content that they should be running/ wanting to run.
I have been kicked several times due to low gear. I had one group suggest a few items to upgrade before they kicked me. It was educational...
I hit 50, got decked out in augmented ironforge gear, and became totally distracted by all the blue quests that opened up. I'm 55 now, still haven't even gotta far into the 50+ MSQ, and I feel overgeared for everything lol.
This was very helpful. Thank you.
I don't like PotD or HoH for leveling new classes. They teach bad habits.
i wish they were "repurposed" to something not related to leveling. like alternative end game rewards
@@aquiouskylos2645 They would both long be dead content if it wasn't for the huge exp rewards. End game rewards are essentially whatever the relevant tomestone is since they aren't going to make the gear i400 otherwise it steps on Savage's toes too early.
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Its moreso along the lines of having to unlearn bad habits nurtured by the deep dungeons. An entire team of DPS can get through them with smart pulls and taking their time, something that you cannot do in a normal dungeon. Not to mention that, in a normal dungeon you have to be able to play your class decently in order to succeed, with less of that emphasis on the DPS ofc. You can get by as a shitty DPS for the most part, but where the bad habits learned in the deep dungeons hurt the most is on the tanks and healers.
I've been witness to these "deep dungeoneers" on many occassion. Just one today while I was leveling NIN. An SCH that had done exclusively PotD up until lvl 47. All they did was spam physick, didnt know what Adloquium was, and when I tried to give them some constructive criticism, because I main SCH, they just up and left because they refused to believe that it was their fault, instead blaming the tank and calling them an asshole for leaving. It wasnt even the tanks falk. This healer couldnt even heal a 4 mob pull, with standard being 6 because all they did was spam physick, which you can get by with just fine in PotG or HoH, but not in a regular dungeon.
So no, the premise of "teaching bad habits" is not retarded, because it actually does happen. Yes, you'll do dumb stuff when leveling through regular dungeons, but at least people notice, because it effects everyone, and they'll be corrected and hopefully learn, something which rarely happens in the deep dungeons.
@@dist0rt3dhum0r Did you miss the part where I agreed that you couldn't play a normal dungeon like you play PotD, and that were facing a learning curve upon entering the normal game? Have you considered that the inability to even admit that he was horrible and needed to improve might have been the problem? Do you honestly believe that somebody like that is good at much of anything? That scenario fits right in with my explanation as to why some people never improve. It has nothing to do with learning bad habits and everything to do with poor character.
It does but its more for DPS. Two runs of it beat out doing a dungeons because of dungeons queues
Thanks for this video. I started shortly before the Twitch Prime offer came in because Steam had an offer for the complete game and kind of went with what I got.
To the credit of having the Road to 60, I was level 20 when I first went to the Walking Sands and took a hard break with skipping side quests completely, doing my best to catch up. And because I was so desynced, I bought vendor gear every now and then when I saw that some spots were far behind. Which lead me to noticing how bad vendor jewelery is. Just two stats against three or more? Still had to stick with what I got. Or the Vendor gear I picked up when some slots were far behind my character level. Dungeon drops blasted me away every now and then because some slots are just not that regularly updated. Then I didn't update them until the 45 and 50 Job Quests.
Anyway, I am glad to hear that there is real meaning to grinding and progressing through the level 50 content. Is it a pain? Yes. Especially since I am coming from WoW where Heirlooms circumvent that issue altogether and you just don't care about anything before the current expansion. Or current max level content, rather.
I will definitely look into crafting gear now too for my second Job, not being sure what it will become. First was Monk instead of Summoner, so I kind of want to go for that now, but then I would have to level two armor crafting professions. No, leveling all professions at the same time is not a thing I will put myself through.
FFXIV is sorta bringing the first 'heirloom' item into the game with the ShB preorder earrings. With that said, I really doubt they would really bring heirloom items in full blown, as it may present an issue for permanent item level capped content like Ultimate.
@@ahkaishecheyhi I heard of the earrings. And the reply from Yoshi P that there won't be an extensive system around them. Possibly as local catch ups for stuff like Eureka, but not general leveling. Actually look forward to that, although I don't expect much progress done in Eureka before Shadowbringer releases. I'll probably just go for leveling and gearing the Jobs I am interested in, which will easily keep me busy until July.
Low level accessories are kinda bad to begin with, so it's not really a case of the vendor accessories being especially bad. They catch up in the level 50 range.
@@nestrior7733 Personally, I ended up using PotD and HoH much more when leveling up all my other classes. I started with roulettes and grinding dungeons, but realized that outside of leveling roulette and maybe alliance raid, the exp/hour is just not worth it with any other leveling method. I also did beast tribes while waiting for DPS queues, they don't give crazy exp, but they're quick and easy for the most part.
@@ahkaishecheyhi Yeah, I think I will end up in there too on the third or forth. Rough plan: first for story, second and maybe third to get professions and beyond that is the question if I will even go for more.
First: Monk
Second: Summoner
Withholding possibly switching to Summoner at one point because I am thinking about leveling it before hitting Heavensward.
Third: meme jump killed me, AGAIN!
Fourth: if you don't want me, I will take the ONE melee you want, at all times
Fifth: Let me play you a song
Third, fourth and fifth are up in the air.
Summoner is just interesting to me, despite the wind-up. But I don't even know how far I will get in the game. The plateaus before every new expansion are interesting and actually the biggest test beside the combat feeling. Which are the two "advantages" WoW has gameplay wise, really. Leveling is one smooth way through (the feeling of meaningless left out for a second) and combat is more fluid on most classes.
If you level all secondary jobs concurrently, it's easy to get the best gear at every level. This can get tedious running the same dungeons over and over though.
The best gear isn't needed tho, just decent gear. That's way to much to ask for anyone.
As a healer main, having an under geared tank is the absolute worst. I find that it usually happens in dungeons leveled 45-50, averaging out at Aurum Vale being the worst. And an under geared tank in Aurum Vale just isn't a tank at all. It's so inconsiderate.
now i know why i amm falling so hard behind with my lvl 50 gear at lvl 57 xd
Me too. The game itself doesn't do a good job of telling you this.
the whole against the nq thing where you compared to the poetics gear doesn't quite work out for preferred world as on those worlds you can hit 50 between titan and stone vigil meaning even having a buddy get you nqs from ishgard is a massive qol to hold you till you can get real options
Didn't even realize this was a problem until starting a alt job 😂
i usually use 10 levels as a rule of thumb. if i have anything that's more than 10 levels below me, it's gotta go; AH/vendors/drops/crafted, fking anything with at least a bit better stats.
I have this problem going through Heavensward, I haven't got a tank set (first time through, first character, sawpped over from 11 years of WoW etc.) and DRK doesn't really get any gear and also gets punted back to 30. prices on the board are ridiculous when starting out (2 weeks in) and the costa del sol vendor gear isn't great. so, how do I get gear when my highest job is sch/smn 56?
As someone who has been playing this game for the last few weeks and only just hit Lvl 50 as a Paladin, thanks for the heads up of what I need to look out for.
Maybe I should have picked Dragoon? =)
I leveled 8 jobs to 55 in Command Missions equally (I would take the lowest job and go through the highest available CM). The benefit of doing that? It was enough runs to get all of them some dungeon gear as I went. Didn't have to buy anything until I got to 50 for some poetics gear (because I had a lot of poetics anyway). Plus I could leave whenever. Leveling without missing out on S ranks? Oh yes.
I would love a video about what to do with gear and items I get while leveling. As a new player the stuff you pick up can be overwhelming and I am not sure whether to sell or save or some third thing? What do you do with armor you have already replaced?
Hiya Happy, WoW refugee here. Can you do a video on or direct me to a flow chart of the milestones and points of interest to hit past level 40. Do I just keep ploughing the MSQ? What other specific things should i aim to complete and in what order? Thanks in advance.
Great video by the way, lots of useful information that I'll be putting into practice.
Thank you please bring more attention to this.
Yup, I've been avoiding doing levelling roulette lately as my DRK is too under geared and am worried I'd get dropped into a dungeon I can't handle comfortably. Once I'm 70 (couple more days) I'll be comfortably geared thanks to stuff I've picked up in the monastery and ghimlet. Until then though, going to have to rely on stuff like main story roulette.
Ouch, well at least you can do something else for the cs I guess
Something is really broken in FFXIV lvling/gearing if there's need for this video.
There's nothing wrong with gearing per se, provided that you were playing the game on content. The game provides plenty of free gear gated behind various main and side quests and content. The issues arise when you are a new player blasting through older content with various exp buffs, which generally encourage players to skip said side quests that gives them the gear. Plus, we have those players that don't play MMOs for the story, and you can see why alot of gear that is freely offered to most players are so easily missed. Happy is also covering this issue for players that are leveling alt jobs, where you might not have kept random healer gear when were you a tank main.
I don't think it's broken, but I do sometimes wish there was an ilvl minimum on some dungeons. A few days ago, I did ex roulette and we got a healer in The Burn who still was using a 290 weapon. Needless to say, we wiped multiple times (I stopped counting after 5) on the final boss because two hits and they were dead...plus I was healing for more than them and I was RDM. I felt bad for them, and we were all still nice and understanding (and tried multiple times regardless, but couldn't get the boss below 5%), but some players just don't keep up-to-date on their gear and it's an inconvenience to the other players.
So instead of yelling at those players, a guide like this is helpful because it's constructive; it's telling people who don't really understand the gear upgrades and how necessary they are how and where to get better gear. So it's not so much that the ilvl/gearing system is broken, it's just players who either don't fully understand how to properly gear up...or the ones who who are lulled into the false thought process that their current gear is sufficient because of a lack of ilvl restriction.
@@lxlthecrowlxl lol I'm a new player and this upgrade system seems overly complex. I've played ESO for 3 years, gear is way more simple but hard to acquire because of rng. I kind of understand what gear is better just from mmo experience but I'm use to gear sets. I don't know what's best in slot in a game I just picked up 3 days ago and this multi steps to just upgrade seems sloppy. I dunno just looking at videos and on eso I'm max level with all bis gear and I teach noobies but most quit because it's confusing for someone new. I never boot people or talk down to them either. I'll know right away if a group can do the content by the first pull. I'll just leave. No point in being mean about it. Anyway I'm use to snobs bug what's the point. Makes you look toxic and no one will like you and want to do content with you on hard content because you're hard to deal personality wise. Its a game, sure get good but also have a good time or whats the point. When a game stops being fun and all it is, is people being snobby toxic af people, then I don't need to be around them. I find more chill people to run content with. Some people even run prog groups every week to teach noobies content. Everyone needs to learn.
@@lxlthecrowlxl Well yeah veterans should know but newly levels people need help is all I'm saying. Even in eso i don't assume a cp810 is a god because i don't know them. I assume they know what they are doing. Most of the time they do but I've encountered some that were bad and well...
@@lxlthecrowlxl i read what you said but I've encountered people like you and people like you make MMOs a bad experience. It's a game, a persons worth isn't measured by how well you do in a MMO. I swear 🙄... Chill or perhaps leave but no reason to be a rude prick. What's the joy in all that? Shit happens. Wipes happen, its not the end of the world and so trials have tons of mechanics that'll wipe and the most experienced players can wipe it. It happens. You just keep at it. I've been in trials for hours with experienced people and I've run through them with less experienced people and had less wipes and I've been in groups that just couldn't get pass a boss no matter what.. Usually because someone is giving bad advice as fact. It varies.
I once ran the vault as a healer. My tank had the basic ilvl 50 tak gear. They got 2 shot by the bosses auto attacks. I noped outta there so fast
Very informative. Just to check why do i say always do my MSQ on my main instead of my alt.
Not surprised this is up. Been in runs people wearing parts of 41 lvl gear and there in a ARR Extreme sync'ed......
Ah yes, this explains why I fight stuff for so long. Level 53 with 70 ilvl gear. I knew something was off
Thought id ad some extra tips for ya.Number 1.Dont forget centurio seal gear if you cant get many mendos/genesis early say its your first character the lost alagan gear is 330 upgrading to 340 which is nice starting out say if you have no tomes for the other stuff at 70.Number 2. As was taught to me there is a priority for upgrades for the best efficiency the order for most bang for your buck is Weapon since all abilities/healing/dps rely on it the most then Chest piece is second Leg piece is third, then Helm/Gloves/Boots,the Belt is after all of that cause it provides less then the others.Accessories aka the rings/necklaces/ears/bracelets last since they provided only 1 defenses and are mostly stat sticks.also yeah 2-5 levels below dungeon is a good setup for tanks and healers dps up to 6-10 level below. though try not to be on the extreme far end of that cause it really hurts your overall.
I was doing the vault the other day leveling my warrior. I had to pop a ton of CD every pull. I thought I was taking a ton of damage the healer started DCing so while waiting someone inspected his gear. Level 34 WHM staff.... needless to say he was kicked pretty quick.
I feel like this is a slight exaggeration. A fully augmented ironworks/shire set should carry you all the way to 60/70, at least in my own experience. Though it probably matters a lot more if you're playing Tank, since it's mostly the defensive values that drastically increase at the 55/65 mark.
Correction.
A fully augmented ironworks/shire set will let a group carry you to 60/70.
I'm sorry, but so many times I see dps or tanks do this, and they can't do chainpulling in Doma castle when stuff should actually die swiftly.
I had a lvl 33 tank using lvl 10 gear and lvl 1 axe in a dng as the bard I had more hp and was tanking. Wish I could send this video to that little newbie
Ok so hopefully I'm not alone in this endeavor but am I the only one who thinks its a bit overwhelming to pick a server when creating a new toon? Since you'll be doing lower level content just maybe you can kinda give your thoughts on picking a server since the economy varies from server to server? :)
So I have an issue, lev 55 Scholar but my gear sucks because I opened the unnamed armour box as summoner on accident. What is best way to get decent gear for my scholar now?
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1:28 HEALERS, ADJUST
Curious why he said the turning point was 54/64 when everyone basically says 56/66 with the level 57/67 dungeon being the major turning point. I mean I guess it's not wrong, but everyone I've ever spoken with says as such. My guess is it must be for more inexperienced individuals, who may not know how to maximize the gears potential.
54/64 is where the armor officially outscales the previous expansion's best (outside of weapon which is the best until 55/65). Imo better to enforce the idea of players watching this being aware of the breaking point earlier, as a higher level might cause players to think they can squeak by for just a few more levels.
Did Sas normal the other day with a GLD wearing crafting gear. No sprout either. Definitely annoying.
Anyone know which Sword and Shield he has when showing the Mor Dhona stuff?
Of course there should be an ilv requierments for leveling dungeons. Forcing people to put in a little effort to avoid wasting 3 other peoples time isnt too much to ask for :)
Ummm.... Don't your job quests also give Gear at level 50, 60 and 70?
Yes, but the gear the Lv50 and Lv60 ones give you have pretty laughable stats. The 70 one is also bad, but it wasn't too bad at 4.0 launch. The last job quest gear is just good at expansion launches and are meant to just get you through the last quests for expansion launches. It is best to replace that gear asap. I'm sure it'll be the same case in Shadowbringers.
For me the job gear is just for glamour (been using the lvl 70 DRK set and lvl 60 weapon as glam for a while and deffeneitly want the lvl 80 set as glamour)
its beginning end game item level though, the tomestone gear is far superior because its the final end game set.
If you are skillful as a healer you can let your gear go a bit longer in Stormblood and only replace it with pieces you pick up during the story and doing the dungeons for it. That is 60+. I never spent a single gil on gear for stormblood at all when going through it.
The only time it became an issue for me was the level 70 white mage quest. Because my main hand weapon was still my relic from Heavenward. But I forced through it knowing I'd get a new one once I beat that quest.
I would say if you don't replace most your level 50 gear for Heavenward by 56 then make sure you do before the next dungeon. But for Stormblood you can go to 67 with very little issues in level 60 gear. But only for healers or dps as long as you remember to dodge!
Tanks need to have the best gear that they can at all times as your ability to take damage relies on it and just your raw hp. Plus with lower gear you will have a harder time keeping agro, moreso with over geared healers and dps.
The point is you can make up for a bit of lost in each healing by being skillful as a healer.
so i just started on ps4, i played riders of icarus for like 2 years and knew how to gear up there. So i wanna be a bit prepaired for ffxiv, atm i am lvl 14 and buy some gear when i come back to town, i spend a lot of time doign quest on the 'hunting grounds' XD i saw u get gear from quests yes but by the time i complete those i am already 5 lvl further so i buy gear. So i can keep doing that till i hit like lvl 50? From there on where do i get gear from? Ill rewatch this video agian later when i have a bit more time XD
Jeez being new in this game is pretty doodoo I don't understand any of this except the gear level and the bare bone basics would love any help if you guys have some!
Define "any of this" so we can help you better. :)
Just started playing 2 weeks ago, currently at lvl60 but my current content is still in realm reborn.
Should i purchase it for lvl60?
here cause of a whole day maint, also because im still wearing lvl 15 gear while being lvl 31
It sucks that gaining levels can only be done in dungeons. Literally no reason to exist in the world. Except to get through the storyline. So much wasted potential with this one.
So don't get gear on the market or vendors. But where do you get gear
You know what's the worse I see the most, people with relic weapons in 60+ ques. That lvl 110 arm is garbage and hurts your ability to do anything.
FFXIV sound like a grind for gears upon gears. Not having not play this game yet it sound like it not casual friend and you have to farm and grind to keep up.
Quite the opposite actually. A bunch of this happens naturally playing the game, unless they spend all their time in palace of the dead.
Im not an elitiest when it comes to gear. I feel a natural balance occurs between new, nongear players and endgame players with random dutyfindee. Originally, everyone when gsmes started a everyone party the same.
@@lxlthecrowlxl I dunno maybe an excuse for them having bad gear and getting yelled at?
Just wear the squall glam in PoD or HoH, no one will know your gear is crap...