Sea The Stars wins the Coral-Eclipse at Sandown
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- One of the greats.
A peerless Classic campaign continues for Sea The Stars - winner of the 2,000 Guineas at Newmarket and the Derby at Epsom, the brilliant Cape Cross colt justifies his short-priced billing as 4-7 in the Coral-Eclipse for trainer John Oxx, jockey Mick Kinane and owner Christopher Tsui.
Sea The Stars would go on to complete an unblemished three-year-old campaign with further victories in the Juddmonte International at York, the Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown and the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp to establish himself as arguably the greatest throughbred of all time.
2009 CORAL-ECLIPSE FULL FINISHING ORDER:
1 Sea The Stars (4/7F)
2 Rip Van Winkle (11/2)
3 Conduit (9/2)
4 Cima De Triomphe (11/1)
5 Steele Tango (100/1)
6 Jukebox Jury (50/1)
7 Twice Over (14/1)
8 Malibu Bay (100/1)
9 Lang Shining (150/1)
10 Cornish (200/1)
Sea The Stars was attempting to emulate Nashwan, who was the last Derby winner to gain a victory in the Eclipse against older horses back in 1989.
Sea The Stars romps home to see of Rip Van Winkle to win the 2009 Coral Eclipse
wow...he just earned my humble respect...being in the US i didnt think much of this horse and what the fuss was about him...this is the 7th race of him that i watched of him (on youtube) and i cannot beleive that he has that extra gear in him...geez, did u see the last furlong, how he responded???special...very special
Sea the Stars ,best horse I have seen since Nijinsky.
One of the greats.To win a Guineas to an Arc and all those Group 1s in between showed such a versatile horse and at such contrasting tracks and look at the quality of horses he beat along the way.Fame and Glory won an Irish Derby and an Ascot Gold Cup,Conduit won at two Breeders Cups and he beat a top class Arc field.Would have beaten Frankel at any distance I reckon
Maybe not a mile - best of three would've been interesting
I/m 52 and been on them since Snow Knight delivered a 50/1. I loved the Brigadier but Stars is even better.
Brian Taylor on Snow Knight rode a great race didn't he? I was only 11 years old and my father asked me to pick a horse so 10p each way on Imperial Prince it was and I think he came 2nd
"Perfection in equine form, the horse of a lifetime" -Jim McGrath
Even today he hasn't got the credit he deserved
He was a great horse, there is no doubt, the vid here is the second fastest Eclipse of all time, a track record broken at York, one of the fastest ever 2000 Guineas, and you brought in time to doubt him even if his Derby was a slow time his Arc win was 4 sec faster than standard. There is also no real claim that his oppostion was moderate taking into account all the G1 winners he beat.
Never tire of watching STS , we might never see his likes again. The greatest !!
I think so.
Well to me he's almost up there with the Brave and will surpass him with an Arc victory. He was superb today. Having said that, I think El Gran Senor would probably have beaten the pair of them over 10 furlongs!!! Let's just enjoy him while he's here.
My favourite horse ..STS 💕💖💓
Sea The Stars is the best racehorse in the world at the moment in my view...
You were right
i missed this race live, but BRILLIANT! such a great colt! Sea The Stars is a STAR! well done owner, trainer, jockey, groom, and of course HORSE! x
Rip Van Winkle is fantastic as well. He's coming to the states for the BC Classic. I can't wait! He's my pick to win the classic unless STS comes over. Sea the Stars winning over him just makes STS look even better. Fingers are crossed that STS makes the trip as well.
QR will never beat RA. She was just only a tick off the track record at Monmouth Park over a track that had not been playing very fast all day long. Both STS and RA are the two most brillant horses in the world today. They race on two different surfaces, but are both sheer class. When they step on the track, you think 'boy, what are we going to see today'? They have already stamped their places in history as two of the greatest to have ever raced. RA will be facing older soon. Just enjoy them.
Totally agree Oscar.This horses record is UNIQUE.Brilliant mover/accelerator.Would make Zenyatta look like a selling plater.
nice comment GBeret83.. just thout id point out that galileo is sts half brother, excellent comparsion.. but the breeding is perfection as well,, THE HORSE OF A LIFETIME!!!!
This was a really tough field of competition that Sea The Stars took down on this day. A lot of really good colt's in this race. Usually, just beating Conduit is quite a challenge, but STS made it look like just another day at the office. Even in defeat, this was probably the strongest run that I've seen Rip Van Winkle make. Even knowing that he won the Sussex and the Q.E. II.
At tha end of tha day no one can tell in racing whats gonna happen Rip may have his day against Sea The Stars anythin could happen!!! I backed Rip an was very impressed he's gettin closer an closer!!! Credit 2 Sea The Stars tho 2 do what Nashwan did all them years ago was a great achivement!!!
MrPapaBill. I agree that the century has only started, and another champion may come along. I personally think the best horse in the last century was Dan Patch. He also ran in the first part of the last century. Eclipse is the most recent great one you have had to my mind in Britain. Note that this race is named after him. If STS is so great, then the race will be renamed the Coral Sea the Stars maybe.
Rip Van Winkle RIP
STS was at times eyeballs out to beat 125 horses, whereas Frankel typically gave the same standard of competition a shellacking. STS was good but Frankel was great.
what a race , for me its very hard for a 3 y old to win that one
High. Now that's what I call a smart horse. Zenyatta is like the great Dan Patch. He was the subject of many books and Hollywood films, unbeaten, household name, most well known athlete at the start of the century. It all sounds familiar. You will be lucky to see another like the great Zenyatta.
@KTWanPinkF Absolutely right,he does his real running coming from behind,then keeps them at bay.Great great horse.
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i am so glad he has now retired.
he is an incredable horse so im glad he has finished on a high after winning the L'ARC and that everybody knows what is best for him.
i just think that the rip has improved and learned a lot from each run this season. i think if there was a rematch we would see a closer result. however i agree with you that sea the stars keeps a bit up his sleeve and thats what makes him a brilliant horse. giants causeway was the same- only just doing enough to win but had more in reserve if needed.
SEA THE STARS gana muy limpio y facil.RIP VAN WINCLE,hace la carrera de su vida.SEA gana muy bien.RIP,vaticino,no volvera a ser el mismo.¡Cuestion de clase y moral!.
Dessie. The problem is that horse racing just doesn't have the same impact as it had, say, at the time of Dan Patch. We still remember the great horses of the past. Today, it is all about people like David Beckham, Serena Williams and Tiger Woods. In the last century, horses had this sort of fame. Hollywood movies were made about horses like Phar Lap, Seabiscuit and of course, Dan Patch.
1000 Guineas beaten mighty horses such as Goldikova (who won her next 4 races all at group level including the Breeders Cup Mile and the Prix De Moulin) and Halfway To Heaven (went on to win the Irish 1000 guineas and two other group 1 races) in the third in the process then he sauntered home in the French Oaks and then in my opinion his most impressive race which was a prep race for the arc (Prix Vermeille) he gave group 1 horses a ten length start and still beat solid horses like Dar Ra Me
miseable sod ! - open ya eyes ..... the best since the 70's
@zarakhast ....which was explosion,then relax.To win over a variey of distances as they both did is virtually unique and I seriously doubt that either of us will see an animal of such presence again.Your right,we will never know what STS had in reserve,but the way he conducted himself was almost an insult to his opponentsWas he seriously asked to give it his all?His Irish Champion victory was IMO amazing considering the margin of victory over Mastercraftsman versus York.It seemed effortless...
@guitarlegend32 ... lifetime that I see a horse who is as complete.He had absolutely everything,looks,talent,breeding,temperment and I would be staggered if he wasn't a success at stud.His first book of mares contain 92 group 1,group 2 winners or broodmares of such stock and the produce of his mating with Zarkava would I am sure if sold,come close to a record sum.It was just a true pleasure to be able to see a horse mentioned in the same breath as DB when I never thought I'd see one as good.
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Tocado por un soplo divino,este dios del viento.
¡Emocionado por tanta belleza!.
The Flat equivelent of Big Bucks. What ever they throw at him he found more and more. Great horse.
So what you are saying is Trincot would have beaten Sea The Stars basically?
John Oxx never said he wasn't sure about his STS's trip , he was pulled from the Derby at the Curragh because of soft ground and he was never intended for the KG. Oxx stated that the plan after eclipse was the Juddmonte , Irish Champion & ARC. Your comment about the ARC is silly as STS would have beaten any field as he was quite simply the best of his time , and again Oxx did not state anywhere. Please get your facts right for the public.
@botelho27 You're right that there are other superstars who would have given him a race, but jockeys didn't try different tactics? At York it was Mastercraftsman and 2 Ballydoyle pacemakers vs. STS in a 4 horse race, and they let Mastercraftsman kick early. In the Derby they sat off him with Fame&Glory, then in Ireland surrounded and let Fame get first run on him. Fame then pocketed him in the Arc. They set suicidal paces for the Juddmonte and Irish Champion, and crawled in the Derby...
@147ard
Sea the Stars doesn't go flat to the boards to the line, as you can see in this race, he idles when he gets to the front and does just enough to win.
Oxx and Kinane have talked about this numerous times, and perhaps is why people think hes so great; we never got to the bottom of him
Trained by John Oxx
Jockey is Mick Kinane.
Won the 2000 Guinneas, & The Derby.
Good pedigree.
Ideal trip 1m 2f
St Nicholas Abbey... Whats the opinion??
The kind of race he ran in this race was the kind of race I really felt Rip Van Winkle would run in the Breeders Cup Classic. Really disappointed with his finish. But Zenyatta was much the best that day.
@Newworldman66 I think he was probably checked to straighten him up. I agree, STS didn't accelerate. Not sure if it would have affected the outcome though?
This Group 1 race often includes a classic winner/winners and Sea The Stars is the latest of them all. I feel that is an openly contested King George at Ascot and Conduit who placed in the Eclipse has a chance.
@zarakhast STS doesn't 'quicken again' - it's an optical illusion. RVW is closing on STS but when he gets to half a length off him Kinane waives his whip in RVW's face. RVW flinches then jinks to his left but despite this only loses by around a length. STS was just keeping on at the same pace.
@Newworldman66 people sometimes have a perception or mind's eye view of events & see it one way & so if anyone offers up an alternative version then they tend to still feel their own one is the correct one.
I personally think if someone offered up something different to what I thought then I'd take a second look if only to satisfy my own curiosity but if they were to be specific with their details, then I would probably take even more notice. The 3:47 part is fairly specific. :)
whether he stole it from van winkle or not, he is truly great. The way he won the arc was just an example of what he can do,
@zarakhast We look at everything biasly no doubt.DB needed his turn of foot to be more 'sustained' because in his Arc victory he came from further back than what STS did.He would have won the race no matter what the circumstance and it was visually incredible to watch.All the same on the point of 'battling' I think DB was put through the mill by Eddery in his Arc win and to an extent in his KG victory.Did STS have to dig deep in winning his Arc?He won in the same manner as in all his wins...
How exciting is THIS...I had 1700 smakers on SEA THE STARS..wiv Betfair....at 8-11/...........Coral fort winkle win...he was tip top and 10furlong specialist....They lost their conkers...WE have seen the STAR alrite.
hobnob. The thing is that STS was entered into the BCC. The owners quickly pulled him out once they saw the opposition, namely wonder mare Zenyatta.
@zarakhast It is right, the incident happens at 3.47. Watch for RVW at that point moving his head sharply to his left. This has actually been covered by many people on many racing forums and there's quite a large article about it on a racing website although oddly enough there is no mention of it on the allegedly superior The Racing Forum on their 2009 Eclipse thread.
please post the juddmonte international.
Anyone notice that the major reason why sea the stars won this duel is because kinane hit rip van winkle in the face with his whip @ 3:45 - 3:46 you can clearly see Rip motion from being hit in the face
Rip would not have passed Sea The Stars had they gone around another entire circuit...
Sea The Stars is definitely out of the top drawer. My dream race would be over the Prince of Wales Stakes course and distance with the following runners: Brigadier Gerard, Mill Reef, Montjeu, Daylami, Sea The Stars, Sakhee, Fantastic Light, Galileo, High Chapperall, Peinte Celebre, Zarkava and Dubai Millennium. Who would win??!!
Mill Reef
The greatest
I would have bet any amount of money, with maximum confidence, that Sea The Stars would have beaten Dancing Brave over any distance. Remember too that C4 racing and Racing UK were aware of the comparisons between STS and Dancing Brave - and Nashwan. They then set out to illustrate what STS would ( in theory ) have done to both had they met. After running VTs of 86 and 89 Eclipse side by side with this, the concensus was that Sea The Stars would have left Nashwan and Dancing Brave toiling.
Watching the replay of the Coral Eclipse again, and also having seen both replays of his win's in the Q.E. II and the Sussex Stakes, I am still more impressed, even in a 2nd place effort in Rip Van Winkle's run in this race for the simple fact that he gave his all, and nearly ran down the best thoroughbred in the whole world. JMO.
How on earth can you say Sea The Stars' turn of foot was overrated?! Hahahahahaha!!!
You just saw Rip Van Winkle absolutely accelerate up on the outside of Sea The Stars so Kinane just took him up another gear and RVW simply had no answer.
7 Group 1's in a row is pretty spectacular considering he 'didn't have something extra'.
As a racing expert you'll know that Leopardstown is a much more testing course than York which is slicker. MC was a miler who didn't quite get home at York, if he had then he'd have won that race. He was toiling in the ICS from about 3f out on more testing ground, so he gets beat by a much bigger margin by STS. Go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!
what a horse superb.
URBAN SEA + CAPE CROSS = we have SEEN the STAR ALRITE and broke BOOKIES.
Just watch the Juddmonte International back from last season, Are you telling Me STS would have beat Frankel there? Ballydoyle employed 2 pacemakers again and even ran to the far rail to ensure it was a proper test of stamina instead of sticking to the inside. Frankel merely cantered alongside the pack and put 7 lengths between himself and a Gr1 field in the space of a furlong. Like I've said before thats the difference between the two...
Sea the stars was a proper mile and half horse running in a 10f race. He didn't hold Rip van Winkle, he was starting to pull away and recorded a record time in that race.
Whether he would have beaten Frankel over 10f is debatable.
lester price I like STS, one of my favs but he pulled away cause Kinane whipped RvW in the face, STS would have won cozy still though.
@147ard did you see the time of this!!!!!!!!!!!! was wayyyy faster than standard. Rip Van Winkle won two G1's after this , Conduit won two G1's Twice Over won the Champion, also he beat Dar Re Mi multiple G1 winner, Fame And Glory 2 x G1 winner fuck I could go on what he has beat.
This seems about right.
2 Value bets for the year
Sariska for the Oaks
Rip Van Winkle for the breeders Cup
I couldn't give a shit about popularity so dont give me any argument on this, the horse doesn't care, your York fact is again just trying anything to put him down, you cant use that against him in The Coral Eclipse, the 2010 winner of this 18 lengths down in this one. 4 lengths more than the 2012 Interntional which says STS is more stronger than you give credit for. I'm going to see a defense of Twice Over now.
In the America, when a rival whips another in the face, it is grounds that constitute automatic disqualification. How did the stewards not review this race? It was close enough to warrant an investigation at the least, as RVW was rallying with significant momentum...
@thehorsesmouth1991
Not being fussy but Jimmy Fortune actually rode RVW this day, unsure where murtagh was must have been banned or riding in ireland? but that was the closest any of the ballydoyle actually got to beating STS and i do agree that RVW got a slap with kinanes whip but then watching STS next 3 races it looked like he would have beaten them regardless of what happened on this day
would like to see rip van winkle take on sea the stars again. i think it would be a lot closer than last time but that is not to say i think the rip would win.
He definitely had a "turn of foot" that you don't see very many 3yr.old colt's have. He just really accelerated at will. He ran like an older colt IMO.
for me and always sea the stars is an all time great for what he done in those special 6 months... it would not have mattered about speed or who else was in the race.... he was a very clever and talented horse... from what i see of this race mick kinane did not intend to do anything but ride sea the stars...........
I do wonder why STS is considered an all time great when he could just about beat this field, all time greats usually beat their opposition by a good few lengths or win on the bridle.
Rip's gonna prove the form is bullet proof and win the Breeders Cup - EASILY
There's nothing contradictory about my remarks. FYI Conduit only ever won in handicap company at 10f and his best form was over 14f on soft ground. STS may have broken the York 10.4f track record but he only won because MC folded in the last 100 yards, STS was 3-1 in running! STS was certainly the champ of 2009 but had to work too hard to win his races against moderate opponents. 6 G1s looks great on face value but none of the horses he beat upheld the form elsewhere. v.good horse just not great
@zarakhast ....actually think exists yet DB actually had it himself.DB was'being caught at the line'but that seems to be o.k. Heard of the line 'needs his head putting in front on the line'?Why?Because some horses stop when in front beleiving they've done enough.So many horses have this idiosyncrasy and I've ridden some myself having been an apprentice with R.Hannon.Mr.Brooks was such a horse who won the July Cup.Why else would M.Kinane say STS would never win by more than a couple of lengths?
I know that Aidan O'Brien has been trying to use Ryan Moore as much as his schedule with SMS will allow in big G1 races that Ballydoyle has entries in, and Jamie Spencer has been primarily riding F&G and Cape Blanco now that part of both of them have been sold to the lady that Spencer rides for. But before I'd want to see Ballydoyle take on Jamie Spencer to replace Johnny Murtagh? I'd rather see them take a chance with Jimmy Fortune. He did right by Rip in this race, IMO.
his hardest race and yet he still won easily. rip van winkle is a serious horse and i am a big fan of his but sea the stars beat him easily here which only shows how brilliant STS is
Off generally means running tautology.
@zarakhast, If Dancing Brave was a faster horse than STS, to quote you, then so what? What does it really matter whether Dancing Brave had the ability to draw away in a race, and STS only won his races by a couple of lengths? Really, what does it matter? The bottom line is getting your horse across the wire FIRST!!! Mick Kinane did so quite effectively with STS. A win is still a win on a horse's record, whether he win's by 2 lengths or 22 lengths. STS was great enough to win 6 straight Group1's
@szetotakwa I actually dont think the Derby/King George/Arc treble should be considered the real treble, because a guineas is a classic and over 1m, it shows how versatile a horse is if it has the speed to beat horses like delegator over a mile then step up and beat the worlds best 1m4f horses, and judging by what won 2009 king george (conduit) i think STS would have won the king george if he went to it.
See The Stars is the most over-rated horse in training. His greatness is based on the fact that he is first horse since Nashwan (20 years ago) to have won the English Derby / 2000 Guineas double and the last horse prior to that, to do the double was Njinsky. But lets break that down a bit here; Out of the last 20 winners to have won the 2000 Guineas only two (Golan and Refuse To Bend) have ran in the Derby. Most of the top horses retire early so unlike jumps horse who race till 11,12 it can
Looks like I've touched a nerve!
DB has a rating of 141 in the International Classifications which to this day remains the highest ever awarded. STS's current rating is 131. So for him to bridge this gap he needs to show a lot more.
Am I not allowed to highlight what I see as the flaws in STS's form? Isn't that what racing analysis is about?
As I said previously to say Oxx fears no one with STS is false. He was pulled from the Irish Derby on the morning of the race avoiding a rematch...
Anotherblonde - I take your point. Yes - S.T.S clocked the fastest time in the Eclipse since 1969. But so what ? Horse racing is NOT like Athletics where a fast time tells a lot about the competitor. A lot depends on the pace and the ground, granted S.T.S still achieved a great feat time wise. No doubt S.T.S will be rushed off to stud at the end of the season there by maintaining it's mythology as to its greatness. S.T.S is the Rocky Marciano of horse racing.
be hard to gauge how good a horse like S.T.S really is. Maybe S.T.S is just a great horse in field of mediocrity ? What I do know is that if New Approach, Zarkava and Authorized where still knocking around THEN we would be able to see how good S.T.S really is. New Approach pretty much emulated was S.T.S has done. However in the 2000 Guineas he game up against a great miler in HenryTheNavigator b4 he went on to win the Derby. Zarkava is the greatest horse I have seen. He won the French
@zarakhast The thing is you seem to want it both ways and are contradicting yourself.DB went to the front in his KG the same time STS went for home in his Arc.If DB's "turn of foot" wasn't short lived why did he 'run out of steam'?Or was it that he simply thought he had done enough for the day?.Eddery thought so because said he got there too soon and wouldn't make the same mistake in the Arc.So why is it alright for DB but not STS?Fact is STS was never tested and had a trait that you don't....
@tigerarmyrule STS didn't run in the KG! Oxx didn't fancy STS taking on the older horses over 12f at that time of the season so he swerved it preferring the 'challenge' of the 10.4f Juddmonte against a miler and 2 AOB pacemakers.
Rachel going to the Woodward...against older horses on 9/5.
@Newworldman66
Don't be silly.
Sea The Stars holds Rip Van Winkle all day long. Evidence?
The Guineas- won by Sea The Stars
The Derby- won by Sea The Stars
The Eclipse ;)- won by Sea the Stars
Give the horse some credit- he could cruise, he could accelerate, he could dig deep. Outstanding.
Rip is an outstanding horse- as seen this week at York, but Sea The Stars was simply brilliant. Kinane almost went too early on him in this race.
Valour indeed. Like Giant's Causeaway..
@barbaro370 I think he is the best looking racehorse since Golden Fleece in '82 and before that Nijinsky in '70.V.O'brien always said Golden Fleece was a magnificent looking horse with an enormous stride,depth of girth and constitution.Nijinsky speaks for himself but I can't comment on the Great Ribot.
Few will agree with you Broph1 that STS has achieved more than DB did at this equivalent point. STS isn't half the horse DB was, nor is he likely to be.
STS has so far only proved himself to be a good horse over 10f on fast ground. To be a great you've got to do a lot more than that.
As regards the Eclipse it seems RVW's best trip is a mile and 10f is way too short a trip for Conduit. Yet STS had to work really hard to win and was gritty rather than stylish....
Sea the Stars clocked the fastest time in winning the Coral Eclipse since 1969 - this speaks for itself. Anyone who knows the first things about keeping horses in training will know how difficult it is to keep a top horse fit and well and in top form to achieve such race victories. Hawkwing was in my opinion the most over rated horse in recent times.
Brilliant horse, best since Dancing Brave. If RVW didnt get the clip down the nose off Kinane this might of went to a photo IMO, RVW was just getting to STS. On this performance I dont think STS would of beat Dancing Brave though or one or two other Eclipse winners.
No, I mentioned his slow Derby time in regard to Oxx not being convinced 12f was his best trip, which he inferred in an interview - his next 3 races were over 10f!!!!! Using race time to 'prove' superiority is a simpleton's argument, of which you are well qualified to make. Oxx pulled STS from the ID on the morning of the race as the last 3f was g/s, he only had F&G to beat!!! KG was swerved as apparently KG and Eclipse at 21 days is too close. Yet Juddmonte and ICS were just 18 days apart!!!!
You talk like Frankel couldn't have produced 2.01 if he needed to, RVW was a very close match to STS over 10 furlongs whereas STS came into his own over 12 furlongs. He was a great mile and half horse and a mediocre 8/10 furlong horse who wouldn't have had such a record had Frankel been around in that 2009 season...
hobnob. There is one. Zenyatta. This one can beat STS easily. Zenyatta is the horse of the century.
To add. Sea the stars beat in this race noble mission by further than Frankel did in the Juddmonte.
+lester price Noble Mission never contested any race with either Frankel or Sea The Stars..
+DUCSDREAM my bad, I meant twice over.
lester price That Khalid has had so many top class horses over the years its an easy mistake to make..
@Newworldman66 Of course, you're absolutely right. Jim McGrath, Nick Luck, Steve Mellish and Graham Cunningham have all got it completely wrong. How could any horse, let alone Sea The Stars ( who afterall only won every group one race he entered and bettered every race time Dancing Brave ever set ) be superior ? In your tiny mind it doesn't happen. Therefore, I suggest you go and lie down and dream some more about that 1986 Arc. Afterall, it is how you get your rocks off, is it not ? LOL.
Don't get me wrong, Sea the Stars was a very good horse but not as great as some people think. I think he'd have been beaten very easily in previous generations gone by. But the same can't be said of Frankel. I reckon theres only been one miler in the last century who would have given him a race over that distance and thats the Brigadier and I don't even think that was Frankel's best distance either...
Next time out, Rip is going to take Sea the Stars. Improved every run.