Briatore's controversial return exposes Renault's absurd F1 attitude
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- Flavio Briatore’s return to the Alpine F1 team 15 years after leaving when the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix scandal was exposed is the latest astounding decision by the beleaguered team.
Team principal Bruno Famin confirmed he will work closely with Briatore, who is an advisor to the whole Alpine F1 organisation.
Briatore’s role is characterised as being focused on what are called ‘top level areas’. So that includes driver decisions, assessing the current structure and advising on strategic matters.
Briatore has never taken full responsibility or apologised for his part in the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, where Nelson Piquet Jr deliberately crashed to cause a safety car that helped team-mate Fernando Alonso to win.
His appointment suggests the current structure needs to be assessed, but an honest assessment might turn the glare away from Enstone and Viry, where the cars and engines are produced by teams of very capable people, and lock onto those at the top of Renault who expect success on the cheap.
00:00 Briatore's Alpine role
02:14 His short-lived ban
04:05 Engine speculation
06:21 Underestimating F1
07:56 The real endgame?
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Bringing a con artist and borderline gangster into the organization should work out just fine
Tbh, in the state Alpine is, you gotta yolo or go home.
Please to be more accurate in your comment and remove the "borderline" 😄
Worked out fine for 2 decades, he's the right man for the job
Flav is neither of those. Flav is quite good at his job though.
@@rorykeegan1895 he did train James May to drive around Monaco
Ryan Reynolds has been real quiet since investing into Alpine
Even his marketing genius can't help Alpine.
Not really. The team is worth more now than It was when he bought in. He doesn’t care about their success, he cares about their value. And since F1 is refusing to allow other teams to join, it is creating value. It’s not like his football club, where they need to be good to bring in fans and revenue.
Well yeah? His busy promoting Deadpool 3 and doing other stuff.
Just because you've invested in something don't mean you have to marketing for the stuff, especially not a F1 team.
He bought in because he knew Andretti was going to buy them.
Probably because he knows dick about F1 and better off not dealing with the drama and make money off the value of the team.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Flavio's first advise is to get rid of Famin considering he was in charge of the worst engine program prior to his promotion to team principal
Alpine are like: "Hey, Red Bull have an old, out of touch, senile, loose cannon, as an advisor, and they seem to be doing alright. You think we should do similar? I've got someone in mind...."
Do you know what senile means?
Marko is anything but senile. You want to see senile, look at that clown the Americans have as president...
@@NicotineRosberg everyone knows since Biden is president
@@laurentderrienjokes aside, most don't.
@@laurentderrien Hey, Biden's old, but at least he's not old AND a traitor (like trumpy).
Who would’ve thought that Cyril irritable was the only thing stopping the entire team from putting on the clown shoes
Imagine alpine as a red bull powertrains customer lmao
It'd be funnier if Cyril was still there (and also less likely, lol!)
Their performance might actually improve with a customer engine.
But that's a PR death sentence. Would you buy the ONE Alpine road car when Renault don't trust a PU they made to power their car. At this point just sell to Andretti
@@Reno49 : Brands are brands, Volks uses the same engine across several brands, no one cares.
@@Reno49Mercedes uses Renault engines in some cars so meh
@@Am-jji1ev Difference being it isn't advertised.
OEM's join F1 as advertising as showing expertise (amongst other reasons). What advertisement is it, that a car manufacturer can't build it's own engine and has to use another.
@@CabbageBloke what a out aston martin???
Andretti: *can't go into F1*
Alpine: Fine, I'll do it myself
Waiting for the Alpine sponsorship deal with Rich Energy next...
Why is the race not indignant regarding Pat Symonds? Because he’s a Brit?
Touché .
They literally mentioned Pat Symonds in the video...
Because Pat did what he was told. Only obeying orders and all that.
The "sin" from F1's pov was not admitting their sins, and taking their medicine there and then. Flav went all Italian rather than English public school boy about it, fought it tooth and nail, and denied it repeatedly ... Not a good plan which I am sure he has learnt from.
@@Ausknutz very very briefly...
Because pat Symonds knew about it while Flavio did it and because Flavio is a convicted murderer, tax fraud, corruption and a pedophile from epistieen island
But allowing Andretti into F1 would be questionable because of competitiveness...
the two topics are not related at all...
@@dellonia The two topics are directly related.
Nobody in EU gives a flying johnson about Andretti get over it !
Cry more bot
@@alb9229 You just said the quiet part out loud man. Its BECAUSE Andretti is not from the EU that this is an issue. And I get it, Hass is a flop, but so are a lot of EU entries in the past and in recent history. It's all about the standard of entry and allowing people to have a fair shot. If they have the resources and the means, then they should be able to compete. Simple as.
Renault have been down on power for years now. How is this consideration even a downgrade when a customer team is currently at the front of the field.
The race called it a major “inditement” to consider binning their old engine. Why? Not like they are sticking their F1 engine in road cars, they have a consistently bad engine…. McLaren make their own cars and are a customer team kicking ass but apparently it’s okay for them lol
I think their only reasoning is that you can customize the duct-work and mechanical output as a part of the car, rather than designing the car around the mechanical. As you said though, McLaren is doing just fine.
The geometric hard points arguably matter more than ducting. Suspension and chassis mounting points
@@scottmeredith3359 True! Even considering the excess weight in the chassis, I reckon Alpine would currently be between Aston and VCARB if just had Mercedes level engine power.
Are Williams , Sauber , rb quick ? No . Just having a engine won't be enough it's related to chassis aswell
Imo Briatore is exactly what Alpine needs. They need to put Briatore in charge of everything.
Yup. They need conviction and experience, all of which Briatore has in spades. Short of Newey, Ross Brawn, or maybe even Ron Dennis, I'm not sure they could ask for a better advisor for a team that is so lost and lacking any type of understandable structure and leadership.
At first I thought you two were serious lol
Absolutely. Bring in the man whose cynical actions showed utter contempt for the team he led, its employees, the sport itself, and its millions of fans. Actions for which he's never taken responsibility.
And let's not even question why we believe that's okay.
Wait, where's my oxygen?
@@emenesu
Flav actually knows what he's doing. His only sin was not sticking his hand up when caught red handed. Everyone "cheats" in F1, its part of the game to push everything to the limit.
@@rorykeegan1895 RB brb looking away
Im struggling to understand how this English channel thinks its "absurd" when Pat Symonds and McLaren are fair game.
You said the answer. Typical british upper class hypocresy.
Word to the wise: Remember J Saville!
The Race are well balanced blokes.
how does it have anything to do with either of those things hahaha
@@grrfy : They are the same.
If The Race had to include every ‘absurd’ thing in every video they’d be extremely long. This video is about one man and one team. But sure, say it’s because there British because that’s the fashionable way to hate nowadays.
Briatore is a highly intelligent person, who has twice built Team Enstone up to win championships. Yes he is controversial for rather obvious reasons, and very understandable why people aren't happy about his return, but he has that win at all costs attitude and strong leadership required to succeed. Very clear to see why Alpine want him. Twice, he built the team around a young world class driver. He also knew he has no technical knowledge, so he hired many top class engineers. He made sure he could compensate for his limitations. Highly talented man. Would class him as a flawed legend.
All true. He's a super leader if you want results.
@@ametti000 He gets results. He pushes the boundaries. If you push the rules to the limit, you're bound to fall foul at some point. I see the appeal in hiring him. Not saying ethically it's the right thing, but ethics have small bearing on business.
"Yes he is controversial for rather obvious reasons, but he has that win at all costs attitude"
Do you see the irony in your statement?
When people believe the end justifies the means, what kind of world do you think they want for each other?
@@fading_trails So you think that the other teams are not trying to win at all costs? Abu Dhabi 2021? Austria 2002, or any other team orders, flexi wings... ring a bell? Eddie Jordan himself said in the podcast that if you're not pushing the limits, you're going nowhere. F1 is a sport of fine margins, and there is no rule about the "spirit of the regulations".
I'm a big Johnny Herbert fan, so I can't be a fan of his simply because he screwed one of my favourite drivers over, twice. But I do have to agree
So… the corruption is a feature not a bug.
what an absolute joke of a team
Man if only there was a US based team ready to become a full works team and actually try to compete at the top level in F1.
Actually there is not
Andretti would not become a full works team until 2028, as admitted by both Andretti and GM themselves.
Hell the whole point of them not being allowed in 2026 was literally because GM wasn't ready
The people who call the shots at Renault and Alpine are absolutely hopeless. They have no idea what they are doing, clearly.
Spygate was arguably much worse than Crashgate, but because it was done by a British team you don't see the witch hunt.
Because the ones who caused it are pretty much gone and the team was punished accordingly
British in F1 do something wrong: a little error.
People from any other nation did the same: OUTRAGE! BANNED FOR LIFE!
@@sabataskull9661the ban was reversed through
Hang on Renault were based in the UK lol
McLaren was fined $100 million. No one else has ever been fined nearly as much.
Alpine have performed well, given where they started the year. They scored points with both cars in Barcelona, and Gasly would've finished ahead of Checo, had he not had a 5+ second pitstop. Don't forget that not all that long ago, McLaren had the slowest car on the grid and have managed to turn things around in less than a year. And nobody is expecting Alpine to make a similar jump, but they've shown promise and potential, with Occon finishing inside the points with an overweight chassis, in a race that saw zero retirements, on the most technically challenging circuit of the season.
McLaren has been in the slump trying to turn it around for almost a decade-not just last year to now netflix boy.
@@robbiek4400 dude, I don't subscribe to any ott platforms. I haven't used Netflix for even a single solitary second of my existence. I've been watching F1 since 2001 (in an era when cable TV was considered a privilege in India) and haven't missed a single race ever since.
Pea-brained morons have just Netflix to fall back upon.
@@robbiek4400 McLaren have been the second fastest team for almost an entire season now and have been beating the Factory Mercedes team comprehensively. But yeah! They're in a slump.
I don't subscribe to any OTT platforms and haven't used Netflix/Amazon Prime/ etc for a single solitary second of my life.
You, however, sound like a DTS fanboy.
@@augustinedsouza2451lol they finished 4th last season with 0 wins and are in 3rd this year so fat with 1. Have you even been watching F1 for a full season yet my newbie friend? McLaren has won a LOT of races and world championships. Just not in the past decade, they are happily finally coming out of their slump.
@@robbiek4400 so Zero wins and finishing last is the same as being the second fastest team that has Adrian Newey? Okay then! The remaining 9 teams should all quit F1 coz they're in a slump.
Very bad analysis. "unconvincing Alpine car brand" summarizes it all. For reminder, more A110 than 718 Cayman were sold in 2023. Suggesting Alpine could sell it's sports cars division is ridiculous.
Andretti and GM watching from the sidelines like: 🧐
He just came back in, suddenly both cars were in top 10 and bag points on race day. So...
I’m convinced lol
They were much more rapid than aston and williams this weekend its workinf
I remember during their IPO that Ferrari said that being in F1 was worth $500m a year in advertising. Even if you say that Renault's results mean it gets 1/3 of that value that's still about the budget cap. So they may essentially be getting an F1 team for free on money they would otherwise have to spend on marketing.
Read between the lines.. 'He's the advisor to the group CEO' becomes 'He's the CEO' 😂
Calling the move absurd is beyond me. He may have done some questionable things in the past but this doesn't alter his accomplishments. In addition: all big team bosses did a few odd things. Remember 2019 when Binotto made that agreement with the FIA about their engines. Nobody ever knew what exactly had happened.
If Alpine performs better again after him joining, it is the right decision.
Crimes always pay, that is the moral of the story. F1 celebrates it well.
“Unconvincing car brand” was crazy💀
Nah; its problematic that he's involved in the sport, (same goes for simmonds). The fact that he's involved w/renault doesn't make it any worse.
I think the problem with Andretti buying Alpine would be that all they really want/need from Alpine is the entry, they have their own facillities under construction in the US (plus that small base in Silverstone), they have their own technical team. While maybe some of the race day team could remain, a lot of people would probably lose their jobs and it would be the end of Team Enstone.
The Race was never so strickt and harsh on Ron Dennis or other McLaren (read; British team) members after the Spygate saga. Briatore did 1 thing wrong and he was punished for it by 15 years. Many other teams and high ranked members cheated along the history of F1, so don't be so hypocrite
This!!!
How many of them were banned for life (even though it was reversed later)?
The Race are known for putting out garbage hit piece articles like this
It was 1 person in Mclaren that had information passed to him from an individual at ferrari. Where as this was collusion to affect a race result and possibly defraud gambling companies.
@@johnyetayet here u are
When this guy was interviewed during the Barcelona grid walk I couldn't tell if he was high or doesn't understand English
All we can hope is that he advises the team to sell to Andretti 🏎️
Where pat symonds has just joined
Andretti is funny about inhabiting a losing entity. They’ll want to buy it on the cheap.
Renault dont want to sell, or invest into the programme, or restructure it or do anything other than complain. The Renault Group is ran by monkeys, the F1 team is just a victim.
Imagine wanting some private team that can’t even win a spec series over a former championship winning team. 🤡
Goldfish memory fans with no respect for the sport.
Can't believe anyone would let this guy anywhere near F1.
If Briatore is back, does that means alonso will be driving a Renault in 2025?
🤔🤔🤔🤔
4:05 Let us not forget one of the reasons the FIA turned down Andretti was not a full works team starting out
I don’t see why it would be “crazy” to use another engine. Sure, Mercedes dominated for 7 years, but besides that, has there been a clear benefit to building your own engine over the last couple decades? McLaren seems to be doing just fine right now, and RedBull have been doing well the last few years and in 2010-13. Perhaps Renault should see what engine RB were using back then.
The French strategy to bring back a hated Italian is pretty funny
It would be a shame if they shut down their engine division. They used to supply Red Bull, they used to be good themselves
4:20 Red Bull has it's own powertrain division because Renault can't even supply itself with winning engines.
Thank you for protecting us from Andretti!
The main problem for this team is its lack of commitment.
They have yo-yoed back and forth for years now.
Running a team, selling the team, to running the team again, rebranding the team.
It seems to me that for years they have wanted immediate success and when things are going badly, they run around like headless chickens, fearful of the negative image to the Renault brand, so they sell or rebrand and unwilling to ride out the bad times, instead blaming mismanagement at team, other teams spending more etc.
Instead of just bringing on a talent group of individuals, that know how to run a F1 team, trust in that process and ride through it.
At this point in time, they could salvage some brand image, by saying they are focusing their efforts on new ruleset, as specifically the new engine rules are intriguing for future technology in their family Renault cars.
Of course Briatore never apologised. Narcissists never do because they are incapable of seeing anything they do as wrong....
Well, Briatore in, Alpine in the top 10. Seems like a good investment. Also, F1 lost the civil trial, and one of the finding was the "unfair trial",
The only conclusion that I can take from this is that Renault was probably supporting whatever Briatore did during the crashgate. He took the fall, they waited and rewarded his "loyalty".
The fact this man doesn't have a lifetime ban from F1 is yet another example of how F1 is too much of a circus
Maybe he can finally fix alpine 😂😂
Great video as always guys!
One more reason to despise Alpine and the F1 administration!!
You know, if I had ever considered buying an Alpine road car, the F1 team would be enough to absolutely convince me that was a bad idea...
It's a shame because the new Renault and Alpine cars actually look pretty cool lately... but I agree.
Apart from the MX-5, it's literally the only sportscar you can buy that's under 1150kg (aside from things like the Atom or Caterham, which don't exactly have an enclosed body as such). It's not like there is a lot of choice in lightweight sportscars -- there are a LOT of bloated, luxury GT sportscar on the other hand!
Well other automobile manufacturers who can’t even compete in F1 are worse so…
Sure Mercedes, McLaren, Honda, Aston Martin and Ferrari are better but Renault is still better than everyone else
Only Nelsinho got really punished then. Very sad since he was forced to crash just like some drivers are forced to let the teammate pass.
Everyone's just taking their PR friendly stance of "ooh Flavio bad, 2008 buuuh". When actually he's just what they need.
Exactly, he is a very capable person which is what alpine needs.
So capable hes willing to tell a driver to crash on purpose and nearly bringing the entire team down with him instead of building a car that's capable of winning. At this level of sport, that's unacceptable. And rightfully so.... Its by far the biggest scandle in F1 history, probably the biggest stain on the sport that's still having reprocussions to this day. Massa is still causing issues about that championship, Lewis is still dealing with people questioning the legitimacy of that years Championship, and F1 suffers every time its brought up. He only orchestrated F1s lowest moment in recent history....
@@Amm17arwith or without the crash massa still would’ve pitted and the fuel line would still have been stuck
@@harry4454Can you also give me the lottery numbers?
@@Amm17ar sounds like people just need to move on and get their priorities straight. Same people who can't get over 2021 too.
Flav can spot Alpine problems from a distance of 1000km and he won't even need glasses. In spite of useless rants Flav is a highly accomplished F1 team principal.
At this point I pretty much want Renault to leave F1. And ideally never return. Bunch of clowns.
A real shame considering their history in the sport
@@MrSkeleton131 second most successful Engine manufacturer in F1 HISTORY by WCC's and WDC's if you look at the stats only behind Ferrari, nobody remembers this.
Alonso, Schumacher, Berger, Fisichella, Herbert, Piquet would all disagree
could've sold to andretti,hope micheal andretti are monitoring an option to join f1 by buying alpine
It's a good appointment, Alpine need someone like briatore to bring some leadership and competence to the team. He has had decades of success in F1.
The thing I don’t understand is why no one is reacting to RBR’s inverse crash gate in Canada. RBR did the exact same as Benetton (put drivers and track workers at risk to manipulate the outcome) and they get a 3-place grid penalty while two guys get “life” bans. Perhaps both penalties were too extreme in both directions? Why is no one challenging this?
*I completely disagree that Andretti should have to buy-out the busted Alpine as they're leaving anyhow. Just leave and make way for a team that actually wants to compete!*
Finally an episode that is not talking at 1000words a minute
IKR!! No bad thing to take a breath between sentences.
Can't wait to see Renault Cadillac Andretti in 2030
Imagine turning down a works team entry only to have an existing works team downgrade to a customer team. Looking great F1, fantastic image
The whole thing is sad when you remember the success they had as just an engine supplier.
The race's favorite word "emphatic"
I was at the race in Singapore in 2008. It was an incredible race. I stayed in the Mandarin Hotel.
We got Flavio Briatore's return to F1, before GTA 6 💀
"...couldn't strategize their way out of an F1 paper bag..." That is savage!
What does Renault need? Someone who knows how to make F1 business decisions on personnel, strategy and future plans. Briatore brings all of this to the table. Bringing him aboard therefore isn't as absurd as The Race is making it out to be.
Ironically, I think, Briatore might be the only way to safe the Renault/Alpine F1 project.
"Renault" and "very capable people" in the same sentence is hilarious
Sure, forgetting history is easy. Renault last won a WDC 1 year before Ferrari's latest.
And as an engine supplier a full 6 years later.
Do you want me to continue with the rest of the grid?
You can even see a positive trajectory in the current season. So they are most likely not completely clueless at Alpine.
Renault's problems have always been caused by high level leadership micromanaging everyone under them to the point where no one, not even the person supposed to be running the F1 team, can use any initiative on their own to make decisions. That kind of thing absolutely cripples any kind of team or organization. It just results in unmotivated people and loss of morale.
I would say they won 2 more World titles than Aston Martin no?
Renault and Ferrari as motors are the 2 best in F1 history.
So not bad at all.
This reads like a hit piece..
to be fair , Alpine suddenly got points after his announcement. I love Flavio , he brings more Italianess than Ferrari on the grid and off the grid as well. There is a reason why he won 4 world championships with arguably the 2 best drivers in the last 30 years more or less.
They scored points in the previous 2 races before Flavio came
I feel like he is probably the only person out there who can straighten out the half-ass attitude this entire team and management has.
"It seems odd to hang on to something it clearly only regards as a marketing asset." Red Bull says hi!
I love this guy. F1 is far too dull. Bring back Flavio.
Did anybody else notice that the Andretti won’t tunnel pictures had a very similar airbox to the alpine.
Also interesting that Renault is doing everything that would have it in the best position to sell the team.
You should listen to Missed Apex Podcast's episodes with ex-Enstone boss Matthew Carter. Renault go about F1 in a cheap, half-assed way and then wonder why things turn out poorly.
I think I listened to that one, was it the one that said when they replaced the Mercedes engine out the Lotus chassis to the Renault one it was immediately like 1 second a lap slower!
@@kobirulali1717 Yes! And how, when they first saw the Merc engine after dumping Renault, it was just in a different league
Considering they’re trying to get Sainz to drive for them and Briatore’s got a good record with The Michael and Fernando, it’s probably not as ludicrous as people make out.
"...Couldn't strategize their way out of a F1 paper bag" - that was savage.
Well at least Briatore doesn't have a kid who wants to race in F1....
Im a newbie to the sport, so feel free to scream at me and teach me a lesson down here, but I think that’s a bit too critical. I know the success was 20, 30 years ago, but Briatore knows how to win *properly*. I don’t think that 1 incident literally throws his reputation out the window. Of course, it’s tainted, but saying it’s a massive L by Renault/Apline to bring in someone who has proven motorsport and F1 management pedigree and successful ones at that, as an advisor to your struggling F1 team, is a bit much. I suspect people are trying to manifest in their head, a takeover by Andretti.
Manipulating a crash in order to get a win in an unsportsmanlike manner is not an "incident" as you say. This is akin to football players getting involved in match fixing schemes and Briatore should suffer the consequences of his actions and stay far away from the sport as possible, not to be accepted back as a Messiah.
The goat 🐐 has returned
The past repeating itself... Briatore managed the team from midfield to constructors champions in the mid nineties... Then was replaced ... Came back to the team when they were backmarkers to win constructors championship in the mid noughties ... Then was replaced ...
If Andretti did buy Alpine and take up customer status, I think Honda would be the obvious pick for a customer engine before Caddy arrives.
Alpine and Andretti should collaborate, this way they get their engine
Yet they actually did quite well on track in Spain. Flávio’s already fixed it! 😂
Andretti just needs to be let on the grid. The facilities they are building will already be far more modern than what many of the teams are using, and I'd be willing to be they'll be better than whats at Enstone.
Just só you know the thumb change worked
Briatore's return and Alpine's sudden resurgence purely coincidence I'm sure.
It's just a sign of sheer desperation. Get the guy in who won a championship for the team *18 years ago* when F1 was completely different because Alpine/Renault is completely out of ideas, and just ignore what a contemptible slimeball he is because when has that ever stopped anyone in the F1 paddock...
Williams tried getting Patrick Head to shake-up its team during the worst of its tailspin and it didn't work. This won't work either. They should just admit defeat and pull out of F1. Since nobody's using their engines anymore, it wouldn't even affect the rest of the grid. Let Andretti or someone else buy it.
a company is gonna do whats best for them in their view, only time would tell if they were right or not. and the last 3 race weeks have not been bad for them
Why does it seem that none of these insight videos mention the huge increase in F1 and therefore team revenue, and join the dots between that and the fact that Haas and Renault seem quite happy to sit in the mid to rear of the grid, and are not interested in selling. Has F1 turned from being a money pit into a cash cow?
It's great to see him back, especially at Alpine.
McLaren are a customer team - fighting for wins!
And developing an engine in a different country to the chassis surely has it's problems.
Wouldn't Honda be the most likely supplier? I see some sense here.
As for Flav, maybe he will being some much needed direction.
Everyone who has jumped ship has seen it or felt that renault or alpine is not a serious team anymore, like come on even gasly wants to go even though ocon has been shown the door
The engine thing makes sense given they have no customers, and it doesn't look like Andretti will get a chance to be one either.
It’s fascinating how you all are keeping it real with Alpine. Clearly nobody in that circle is “buttering your bread.”
I couldn’t believe it… then I couldn’t believe they both made Q3 next race. So who knows what’s going on haha
The only thing that can make Renault (Alpine) better again is getting Kimi Raikkonen back on a payment per point deal.
He is not the only one...but was the one caught. F1 "moral" stinks.
All this and Andretti is still seen as unfit to have an f1 team
Andretti started showing interest after the sport turned into a global brand with billions to be made. Where was Andretti in 2015 when everyone said the sport would collapse without a new team? Andretti are a poor example to use, all they want is a cash grab.
Andretti can’t even win a spec series.
Just stop talking.
“Full works team” for Renault/alpine is hardly comparable to Mercedes and Ferrari yet they are surprised it’s not as good.