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- Israel will present its arguments during a public hearing at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) initiated by South Africa. South Africa accuses Israel of committing actions in Gaza that are "genocidal in character". South Africa is urging the court to declare that Israel “has breached and continues to breach its obligations under the Genocide Convention", to order Israel to cease hostilities in Gaza, to offer reparations, and to provide for reconstruction of what it has destroyed in Gaza.
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#ICJ #Israel #Genocide
It's wild to me how few US news agencies even talked about this. I didn't see any of them streaming this
They don't want the people to see the truth if Israel was innocent it would live streaming on every station. What does that tell us that they know Israel is 💯 guilty of intent to Genocide
Bcz the Media is C O R R U P T
They are hypocrite, certainly paid to not broadcast this even though they broadcasted yesterday. I have already noticed.
The hearing at the court in The Hague is ridiculous to the point of stupidity. Where were they when there was genocide in Syria, Yemen, and in every country where the religion of Islam rules, including South Africa??? No one has said a word so far! Just shocking. Israel is right and justice is with them. Wait and see! South Africa took a break from being the most failed country in the world and came to educate the world ??? 🤣🤣🤣 How ridiculous can it be! . Justice is near and God will avenge the blood of the kidnapped and murdered, praying for the return of the kidnapped, and for the victory of Israel 🙏🏾. Israel in an unjust trial in The Hague.
Cause the CEOS ARE ……
ICJ should prove now that they are an INDEPENDENT body and doesn't make BIASED decisions under anyone influence or pressure
Nah they are completely political.
exactly, they must prove that they are not just american puppets
a majority of puppets just like those who were paid to rally, what can they do??
Which means give the resolution that you like XD
they will prove what we all know... SELL OUTS
A person or group shouldn't have the right to go into someone's home country and take over the property of that person or peoples belongings.
Complain to the Arab imperialist settler-colonialists of the 7th century.
@@zevspitz8925 7th century ? what a joke
YES 75 year long apartheid, 56 year long occupation, 16 year long blockade of Gaza and now committing genocide. Pure evil.
Not if they consider it the perfect actions committed by the perfect person universally and timelessly
Not if they consider it the perfect actions committed by the perfect person universally and timelessly
Both yesterday's and today's arguments were each 3 hours long and it's clear the vast majority of commenters haven't listened to them, at least in their entirety. It is a time commitment, but essential to understanding this case.
yea, its sad how people think they are qualified to talk, while watching only the first 10 minutes.
Agree
Don't forget reading the South African written statements submitted. I haven't been able to find the Israeli ones (if there are any).
What I can say is that South Africa's arguments are pretty.... bad. They don't make sense in terms of the law, prima facie they have not disclosed the requirements for finding genocide (frankly, I don't think they disclosed a reasonable cause of action to go with their claim), and it was not well argued.
It's pretty laughable
@@somethingwitty3647 I think you've adopted the onus quote a substantial passage from one of these arguments you allege to be bad. It should take you very little time, and it's the bare minimum follow through, given what you've already written.
@@avoidable69 I'm just under an hour in, and thus far I've heard exactly nothing that even faintly resembles an argument. This is not hyperbole. Literally nothing whatsoever.
The court itself is on trial
Yes it is…let’s see how they handle this.
Don’t be ridiculous- such a corny soundbite.
Excellent observation.
This!!
Good observation.
The World awaits...
We demand the court to look at the genocidal forgotten war in Sudan
Sure after Israeli case
@@reisasia ever seen ICJ? These cases take ages to finish. I'm sure they can do several at the same time with their snail pace of working on a single one.
As a Sudanese I agree
Yes, why didn't South Africa go to court then. Instead, they hosted the criminal. Criminals hosting other criminals.
@@Ivan-qf4mt just make the case then, if you have irrefutable evidences.
This should have been decided on Syria, Sudan, Rwanda and other countries that witnessed such atrocities as a lead example on the court ruling, otherwise the outcome may not impact decisions taken by aligned members.
Yes yes said the same Zimbabwe too the Hooties and Tootsies tooo🇿🇦🤫
South africa did have a case of genocide in their own country years ago
@@emanuelg1892even now against white farm owners
@@emanuelg1892Bring back the old South Africa
@@emanuelg1892 South Africa failed their legal obligation to arrest Sudanese dictator Omar al-Bashir when it was found he committed genocide in Darfur after he repeatedly entered the country.
Most of the world had seen the genocide as it happened, life.
How it happened.
Who did it and who suffered for it.
YOU DID NOT MENTION WHO CAUSED IT?> WHO ARE YOU REFERRING TO??
The defender makes no distiction between Hamas and Palestinians. Thereby proving the claim that Israel unlawfully attacked innocent Palestinians.
Was not Hamas elected in Gaza in 2005?
@@losonczibalazsso everyone knows n the USA right now is a fanatical supporter of the democrats and supports everything Biden does.
Likewise four years ago ever man woman and child in America supported Trump.
Everyone in Canada supports the president
@@losonczibalazsit was also funded by netanyahu to overthrow the actual Palestinian government in ghaza. Your point being what?
@@losonczibalazsIsrael killed ten thousand children. They do not know Hamas, did not elect it, and were not present when it was elected. Stop justifying genocide as revenge against civilians and children.
@@losonczibalazs after which they took power and never let go, there were no new elections because hamas prevented it and killing people in Gaza who oppose them.
This case is a litmus test for ICJ.
I just hope and pray icj doesn’t let us down too !
It's not a litmus test for the ICJ as it implies that if it rules against the side you're supporting then its suddenly bias, the ICJ has proven itself time and time again to be fair and impartial so let's just wait for their ruling.
Icj is on the payroll of the juiceeeee
But why SOUTH AFRICA?
I like the car "without an engine" 😮
He hasnt once mentioned Palestinians as civilians. He only speaks of Hammas. This proves their point that Isreal does not consider them seperate.
As sad as it is, the dead REAL civilians are collateral damage
Most of the Palestinians are either in support or even involved with Hamas.
If elections were held in the west bank TODAY, Hamas would win in a landslide. Ideologically there is almost no distinguishen.
You're proving his point there bud 😂
The majority of Palestinians are either supporting or acting along side Hammas.
They're the same
Its just that south africa is disingenuous
Israel is responding about Hamas but the charges are about Palestinian civilians.
Oh get real
One and the same.
@@RockaRollaSteel So you mean the palestinians civilians( children, elderly, man and women) are ligitimate military targets?
@anon5041 why not TRY to listen to the proceedings?? They explicitly state the efforts that they've made and achieved in mitigating loss of civilian life. Even for your own sake listen to what they're saying you can make an informed argument you just sound dumb otherwise
@@anomaliesanonymous spreading pamphlet for hospital to flee in 24 hours is next to impossible, especially the fact that the place they're going to is bombed as well. They don't have nowhere safe to run. Think man
Availability and non availability of the justice system will identify from the south African case to the UN justice system. This is a big test and examination to the functionality of UN highest courts of justice
Or maybe one day you'll have to do some introspection instead of blaming institutions for not catering to your views?
Yeah if this is a proper court, it will throw out the genocide accusation.
@@Ivan-qf4mt These are not personal views , get out of your echo chamber and see what Gazans are going through
@@Ra_dia_II You need evidence for to be directed and targeted genocide... If there are none, It will be marked as unfortunate casualties of war which is probably the reality of Israel-Hamas war
@@MustardSkavenridiculous than they might as well deny holocaust
We will learn if morality in the international court of justice exist.
😢 I dought
The law is one thing - morality is another.
After Israel will win
The court is made of members who come from countries with most genocidal regimes. They only speak up when Israel is fighting the war, but stay silent when their own governments commit crimes against humanity
@dataeater1319 highly doubt it very sad
this wasn’t even about hamas it was about the killing of the civilians
My apologies, non suffering across the world 🌍
it is all about Hamas killing their own civilians, They instigated these terrible atrocities willfully knowing the destruction it will cause among its civilians.
Let's remember the hostages killed holding a white flag. The general killing is without discrimination and not following the acts of war. This makes genocide a real possibility & the case valid.
You are referring to the Israelis hostages killed by Israelis soldiers?
@@Eagles_Hunteryea
Let's remenber the terrorists with White flags exploding themselfs on soldiers either?
The Israelis making a mistake with friendly fire and unintentionally killing hostages will not strengthen this case. Battles in a war are unlike most people can imagine. There is "The Fog of War"! When you are fighting there is a level of chaos, confusion, emotion and often one's values and being are challenged to the core. Mistakes can happen due to plenty of factors like poor visibility, momentary panic or a host of other factors.
@@MartinChibanda
You are right. But this is not the case here.
This is not a defense. This is blame.
It is like the guy who is in court charged with raping and murdering a woman he kept locked in a dungeon, and his defense is something like, "Well I brought her dinner."
@@kindGSL It seems like you are talking about Hamas
A lot of finger pointing - and pretty much every accusation made applied far better to Israel itself.
@@nonoyesh LOOOOOL Israel brought dinner to the Paletinian land for 70+++ years haha - STOP reasoning from the point of Oct 7
I found it pretty convincing. Now I'll watch the first day a second time.
We put our hopes into ICJ. Please do not disappoint us. Show us that justice still exists for the weak.
Yes! Find that Israel is obviously not involved in genocide
@@vssprc I hope they find the truth and justice be served.
China didn't ow the ruling, Pakistan didn't follow the rulings so Israel will also not follow. All the old organizations should go.
Well, if you listen to the arguments and the evidence, then it would be obvious. They should decide with israel. @@sram6814
When is the final verdict
Israel didn't respond to the accusations and South Africa never defended Hamas, but clearly condemned them. Not I'm surprised, that's all they can do in this scenario.
Picture of incubators provided…With the electricity cut off!?!!?
They had incubators !!!
They needed electricity to power them!!!
Why should Israel give them free electricity if they attacked them?
If they wouldn't use all their money on terror they would have enough electricity and water lol
How can Israel deny the atrocities we see every day committed by Israeli soldiers and than laughing about it.
Because war crimes aren’t automatically genocide. Duh
Can you provide any evidence , Israel is trying to protect itself
No one punishes them
@@a91170 no one said anything about TikTok, if anything mentioning tiktok shouldnt be a really good point when defending israel lmao
THERE IS HAMAS IRAN AND HEZBOLLAH THAT KNOWN FOR SUPPROUSRER OF THEIR OWN PPL AND THER IS DEMOCRATIC COPUNTRY LIKE USA ISREAL OR EUROPE.. ITS ALL ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO..ASK YOURSELF WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE...
The resources used by SA was all from the UN agencies and independent journalism whereas IL presented only their own resources or the genocide supported the USA. So who should one trust: Those presenting UN evidences? Or those who brought their own made evidences?
Ok, if IL is so human friendly, let UN security forces based on multiple countries go in Gaza to investigate. If IL denies this, must understand who is a liar.
Hamas attacked Israel. Hamas is an elected body by the people of Gaza and they declared war on another country. I've never heard of a war with 0 civilian casualties.
Response in removing people from their home is not war, it's defence. And the war is fought between equals. Oppressed are further pressed and then call it a war? Some grace is required even to chose an enemy.
@@TheMafia24 Israel helped create hamas, funded hamas and let them attack Israel to have an excuse to b0mb Gaza.
"Hamas is the elected body by the people of Gaza" demonstrate how little you know of the facts. Maybe if you check news stories from before Oct 7 2023 you'll find the plain and simple truth of what happened in occupied Gaza region
edit: fixing typos
You mean, Israel helped create hamas as an opposition to the plo, funded hamas, and let then attack Israel to have this kind of excuse? @@TheMafia24
There's no defending the indefensible, they've just thrown out excuses.
I'm about an hour in as I type this comment, and I honestly find it hard to believe that such a spotlessly perfect vacuum of nonargument can possibly be maintained for three hours.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 You're not sitting through the whole thing in one go are you?
We've (our governments at least) not questioned much of what Israel does before. Not really. They've never had to have a strong argument, up till now, so it's unsurprising they don't have one here.
Since it can't plausibly be argued that they (Israel) won on merit,, I'm interested to see how the court will rule on the matter.
@@leavesinautumn5959 No, I left off at about 1:30:00, and will probably watch the rest tomorrow just so I can honestly claim to have done so.
I'm not really expecting it to get any better, but at the same time I am quite _genuinely_ shocked at how bad Israel's defense is thus far. I'm not saying that for rhetorical effect, I literally mean that what I've heard thus far vividly confounds my very real expectation that I'd at least hear something that rises to the level of the superficially specious.
I was _not_ expecting what could be described - without the slightest hyperbole - as the complete and utter absence of any argument whatsoever.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 Then I'd not suggest you follow the story from their end, via Israeli domestic media. If their presentation at the ICJ has you flummoxed, not sure how you'll cope with that.
They've out and out said they'll ignore the verdict at the ICJ, so one has to question just how much effort they're putting into their defence.
Galit Raguan said at 2:04:20 "there is no limit on food and water and ..... that can be brought into Gaza".
This can easily be categorized as a lie.
It is not. The fact that the food, water and fuel do not reach the citizens is because Hamas steals everything 🙂
Her statement starts with "Israel says" which may be true.
So where is your proof that the opposite is the case ?
@@DianelosGeorgoudis, Galit said "Israel has public stated repeatedly that there is no limit on the amount of food, water, shelter or medical supplies that can be brought into Gaza." I categorize the part "there is no limit on the amount of food, water, shelter or medical supplies that can be brought into Gaza." as a lie.
@@guusvandermeulen7210 If you're not on the terrain, you can't know
The Court cant enforce any orders, however there are reasons why Israel is frightened about the outcome. Apart from the impact on global opinion, any provisional orders against Israel that they choose to ignore could result in legal action in countries that support Israel. A country that has a prima facie judgement against them that they are committing genocide will almost certainly run into trade restrictions on arms supplies and other material support.
Yeah, but I think they'll have a good case to ignore the ruling based on Article 51 of the UN Charter, and that the ICJ ruling is just outrageously biased and therefore not something to be followed. The ICJ would undermine their legitimacy here, if they just rule how they want instead of according to their own laws. Any Court that acted in such a way would not be seen as fair or acting in a manner that is codified by law. That the judges might just rule however according to the politics of themselves and their home states is what made the ICJ so friggen controversial in the first place.
This Application should have been dismissed on the grounds of disclosing no actionable grounds. On its face, there was nothing lending to the charge of genocide
Not necessarily. Israel has good opportunity to tell the truth about the war and world can understand
@@somethingwitty3647It's not about what you think, it's about what the world has seen. Most people in most countries in the world have already judged Israel. This is just a formality
@@somethingwitty3647 US has a law that prohibit aids to countries that commited war crime or genocide. If convicted Israel will lose all US aid.
@@vervetech9395Israel does not need to convince the world, only it's citizens.😂
I watched the entire trial yesterday. I fail to see how Israel will be able to defend their position in any meaningful way.
We will see how much power & influence they truly have when the verdict comes.
Have you watched the defense from Israel?
Have you watched this one bro?
The only thing south africa said is.... mandela mandela.... palestinians suffer 75, which has nothing to do with the claim which is genocide... and 3 tweets. If U don't see how they can defend a position that didn't even adress the main claim of genoice you're not very knowledged on law
This guy ks delusional. Israel have this in the bag.
they will cry victim and antisemitism ...as usual
Here we go again they’re playing the victim & putting all the blame on hamas i cant even watch the whole video
Same here
They have dismantled every past and possibly future point SA could make. The fact that this case even reached Hague is an embarrassment.
@@DaniTheHerothat’s just hogwash. This has put the ICJ to the test of its very purpose.
There is absolutely no evidence for the nonsense he is sprouting... It's not a defense of the allegation
I love how Israel thinks this began on the 7th of October 2023
I mean this current escalation did
Lmao
They know it didn't. They are just trying to make the rest of the world think it did.
When did “it” started you think?
Of course they don't they have been attacked time & time again & rockets are a daily event ... so your statement is not factual
This is absolutely ridiculous. On the one hand Israel's defence is laughable and on the other hand the fact that even a ruling against them won't change anything really shows you that human rights only apply sometimes. And a very few decide when they do.
This is a test of civilisation and globally held myths.
A ruling against them would change a lot. USA would probably still back israel with a veto but, for sure, no UE country would keep suporting israel at the risks of being found associates of its crimes.
Their defense was:- small lie, lie, big lie, small weasel, weasel, big weasel, blame the victim, repeat.
A ruling against Israel will have an uninterruptable domino effects, the supplying of money and weapons flows, will most likely become illegal in western countries.
Biden his generals and other world politicians will be investigated, in their own countries to check if they aided and abetted Israel in genocidal actions.
Its like Holywood movie. Make belief un believable.
World wants justice!!
This won’t end well for HAMAS! They might be charged of Genocide!
"Ive lost the page..."
That is the ultimate metaphor for this defense 😂😂😂
Plus he is boring as heck.
@@kindGSLbrevity is the soul of wit 🤫
Cannot square a circle - cannot make of a series of dry, unsubstantive, pure ramblings, a solid defence, because such is not even possible
This is where we find out if the world is damned. Or will humanity prevail.
newsflash, win or lose, they won't stop until the hostages are free, even though it's almost certain it will get thrown out since south africa can't prove intent.
Minimise civilian targets..
Like the poor grandmother walking down an empty street holding the hand of her young grandchild as part of a small group of people evacuating as ordered by the IDF - and her shot dead in the middle of the street by a sniper?
Or the 8 year old boy who was shot in the back of the head and killed instantly while running home with several other children
[Citation needed]
@@davidnilsson5045the videos speak for themselves hun
When you have to base your defense on formal errors that were made when submitting the accusations, then you know that there is nothing substantial you have to defend yourself.
The defense is very clear. Hamas started all this. How can you justify hamas who build attack stations for a mosque.. a mosque and even hospitals come on. How can you justify this ?. What would you do if you where a nation in context. If you had a bacteria I your body and you treat it does that mean you have harmed the bacteria population ?. What are your actual arguments. . Isreal to stop defending itself. This is war . Hamas shoots rockets too. Its too bad they are not as good as jsreal in war. If they knew they would complain this much then why start a war... is seems clear that hamas has always planned to use the Palestinian citizens as shield not isreal.
Absurd. Every lawyer knows that you have to present both procedural and substantive points, which is exactly what Israel has done. Don't go to law school - you will be hopeless as a lawyer.
This is not a defense...it is a justification plea...🙄
The inane comments made by non-lawyers make want to alternately laugh and cry.
@alexanderkaplan8906 the first guy rambles for 30 minutes about things irrelevant to the case. He then lies saying south Africa has no interest in hamas. When South Africa clearly stated in their case that the only reason they are not suing hamas is because the convention statute does not allow for them to do so as hamas is not a signing state of the convention...
Absolutely horrible defense. South Africa already said what they expected them to say. If I was Israeli id be embarrassed
They don't know the definition of shame... People forget this was going on while and before the Holocaust was occurring yet the world completely ignored the Palestinians.
That’s how court cases, anyone can predict what the other is going to say, as they know but the problem
Is that can Israel actually prove what they are doing isn’t genocide..
moreover there are two sides to every conflict and statement.. you can’t say this what I mean when it’s not..
you get me
If I accuse an innocent person of murder, it doesn't take much intelligence from me to predict he is going to say he is innocent.
South Africa's case is significantly strong. Israel's defense was predictable and found insufficient.
Did you watch the defense? They provided the documented facts, videos, photos, voice captures - unlike SA who was just reusing prohamas rhetoric.
Wow! Horrible defense.
Israel did exactly say, what South Africa expected them and wanted them to say.
South Africa made a great job showing Israel intend to commit genocide. Israel was not able to refute anything. All they had to say was “but Hamas”
All they said is 'But Hamas'? You didn't watch it, uh?
Keep quiet if you have nothing meaningful to say
Because actions have consequences, you can’t hold Israel and leave Hamas
@@nonoyesh Well, in addition to some lies
Did we know theywould play the victim card, again? Embarrassing
Imagine for a second the fate of remaining Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank if Israel wins this court case. It will be like a green light for Israel...
This is the problem of terrorists in gaza! They started war without think about their children...!
Or…
Imagine everything you believe about Israel is ….
Incorrect
Golda Meir said : " If palestinians mothers loverd their children more , then they are hated our children, there was always peace....! Bright words!💪🙏🇮🇱💗
For the West Bank nothing will change (Israel already lifted even the restrictions to work in Israeli territories for them). In Gaza Palestinians will return and rebuild with a lot of international aid, elect a new government obsessed with elimination of Israel and the cycle will repeat. This happened many times and this will repeat as long as Israel and both Palestinian governments will become interested in the long-term peace which now couldn't be said about any of them.
Lets Hope the court can be unbiased and honest and deliver the RIGHT verdict . 🤞
You’re so partisan it’s pathetic.
The right verdict is obviously ruling that israel is indeed doing genocide
Why do Israel not imply the provisional measures asked for, without a court decision?
The measures only ask not to conduct certain specific named unlawful acts. Like cutting of water and electricity.
Until October 7, the poor "innocent Palestinians" had electricity and water. You don't know what you're talking about. (despite the likes you get from all the ignoramuses here).
Well, if you don't make life in Gaza unlivable, how are they going to leave? This genocide is not about getting square. This has always been about stealing land.
@@foxisok well that doesn't matter does it
Prior to the barbaric attack by hamas, hamas controlled 90 % of both water & electricity in Gaza.
But that is something you would never dare to say to say on any public forum.
SA asked Israel to stop its military operations
All these photos were taken by IDF. N we all know how reliable IDF is at reporting their own mistake and crime
They are in cort and they have to give legal and truthful photos. Maybe you watched too many movies that your mind doesn't work by itself.
“We all know” 😅
They're logic is, that if one of your relatives is a criminal then they all are criminals. The other logic is, you're a terrorist if someone steals your home, kills your family and oppresss your family for decades. And you fight back.
I love how they didnt adress anything SA said
so the defense is basically, "They made me mad so I said some crazy stuff but I didn't mean it."
The holocaust was mentioned as a defense less than a minute into the speech.
Did you listen to the speech? They rebutted every SA claim
@@TheGodfather2731 noting was rebutted lol
No, I said crazy stuff but none is in my policy documents and I haven’t acted it.
Compared to I’ve said crazy stuff, it’s in my documents, and I’ve executed accordingly.
It’s up to the judges to see facts
@@DennisJack-we9sq12,000 dead children, carpet bombing, 30,000 civilians. Starvation. Cutting of water. Cutting of fuel. Destruction of habitat. Making life unliveable in Gaza. 117 journalist. Medical staff. Hospitals.....
@@TheGodfather2731did you listen to either of them?
ICJ should prove that they are an independent institutions and doesn’t make evil sides decision.
ICJ should hear each others arguments and rule according to the law.
Here, fixed it for ya
Each one's case and delivery became weaker and more demented ....these are evil people living in delusional hubris..
“This is how our army works…”. - 23,000 civilian fatalities, primarily children and women!
40.000*
Why no men are being counted? Has anyone said how many HAMAS fighters are dead? Hamas only wants to say women and children so that the world can feel for them and degrade Israel
Honestly, if Israel wins this case, where they was just talking about KHAMAS, with that narcissistic behavior, I will lose faith in humanity.Thank you South Africa for speaking facts.❤
opposite for me, and they were also talking a great deal about their efforts to avoid civilian harm and provide humanitarian aid, and they talked about hamas a fair deal because it is just that much of an obstacle as is said in the video if you even listened
Indeed me too..
The hearing at the court in The Hague is ridiculous to the point of stupidity. Where were they when there was genocide in Syria, Yemen, and in every country where the religion of Islam rules, including South Africa??? No one has said a word so far! Just shocking. Israel is right and justice is with them. Wait and see! South Africa took a break from being the most failed country in the world and came to educate the world ??? 🤣🤣🤣 How ridiculous can it be! . Justice is near and God will avenge the blood of the kidnapped and murdered, praying for the return of the kidnapped, and for the victory of Israel 🙏🏾. Israel in an unjust trial in The Hague.
There was peace in October 6th
@@nyx9353 Does those "efforts" include bombing the humanitarian corridor between north gaza and south? It's clear as day that this is genocide, and the pretext is KHAMAS
They can buy the LAW of humans but not LAW of the Nature .
Exactly💯💯💯👍👍👍
Maybe no one wants to buy the law of nature?
True! The Law of Karma has never changed and will never change!
It's a test for the human conservation
It is Allah's wills. Anything that happens are because of allah's will. And this time, it is allah's wills that cause the the catastrophic losses to the palestinians.
Dude said "We gave them water, gas and 2 bakeries to make breads, just the other day" Thinking "Now, we look good... Might delete later" Sooo, they pretty much did it for the Gram🤦🏿♀️
Hamas even this didn't for civilians, they took everything for them!🤮👹
Standing orders: "Attack only military targets." Netanyahu: "All Palestinians are militants and valid targets." Lawyer for IL defense at the ICJ: "Standing orders say this, and this is what they have done."
Redefining non-combatants as combatants does not excuse genocide!
No. Of course it doesn’t.
Netanyahu: "All Palestinians are militants and valid targets."
Care to provide a source?
Natanyahu never said that 😂
Hmm, when did Netanyahu say that?
What is the end goal of this “self-defense”? How many civilians need to die for Israel to safe again?
I’m 1.5 hours into the video but I don’t get how you can keep killing people for the sake of self-defense without “defining” what achieving this goal would look like..
Lies, lies and more lies….
Go to gaza and see there truth...!
The audacity to commit purgery in the ICJ
Its just the same type of argument everytime, strawman, ad hominem. Bizarre, how do they think a court of law is so easily tricked into emotive arguments over legal. None of the judges think hamas are Palestinian civilians.
Oh interesting, you're in the judge heads ? Can you tell me more about their youth, ask their minds about how it was when they were 20yo ?
It is astounding that people are more concerned about intellectual bravado and presentation of imagery than moral courage. It is wild what we're defending in so called modern times!!
👆🏽
Who cares, everyone there sees it on TH-cam
This is interesting. Israel seems to be claiming that it’s not genocide bc Hamas is a terrorist group and this is a war. So ICJ needs to basically define what is acceptable in war
On the premise Israel are being accused perhaps Britain are guilty in WW11 bombing Germany. More Germans were killed than in UK.
Do you honestly think Britain would have a cease fire for humanitarian movement in Germany. Do you think would provide food, water & electricity...of course not.
Sadly in war there are casualties that's a given fact.
Hamas is the elected government ... this means Hamas is the army of the goverment
@@diginilo855
Not sure... Gaza and yet all Palestine is under the occupied land
@@MohamedKrar under hammas control
@@jonomar
Nope...
Do they have an airport...
Do they have a sovereignty of there land ...
Israel is the occuping authority in Gaza strip and west bank ....
Being a fail state... This is other thing
WHAT HISTORY GOT TO DO WITH THIS GENOCIDE
The whole matter, the war, accusations and the defence, can only be understood by sincerely unbiased parties. Dealing with biased mind is one of the most difficult things in life. The whole thing including the fate is clear. Its a matter of time.
yup, can t argue with a sick mind...
true, thanks, facts talk
After hearing the rhetoric of Hamas’ leadership, did we even need an ICJ hearing?
I just can't wrap my head around this. Why aren't any Hamas members brought to court?
the president of Israel said that all Palestinians are guilty . quoting Netanyahu on the 10th is nonsense
Did u see how the population of gaza celebrated on October 7th?
Did u see how they paraded and came in thousands when israel kid hostages were being released? Do i need to remind u that 75% of the population elected hamas? Now they cry…. Should have thought twice.
@@marirafaeli748you do realize the last election took place in 2006, and nearly half of the gazan population is under 18; the majority of the current population didn't even vote in that election
@@marirafaeli748shekel shills alert
@@neilnicoll9444half of current population wasn't even born before then. Most Palestinian are under 16 yrs old.
@@marirafaeli748"If you live in a country where other people voted for other people who commited crimes, you should be punished for the same crime"
-Israeli logic
Being a vectim some decades is not an excuse fom making crime and killing children with cold blood
I love how he lost a page and his demeanor shifted quickly around 52-53:00 to show his pub side before he went back to his acting like a queen 😂
This guy is basically saying, "Yes we are committing genocide because ....". He's not disputing claims of genocidal intent by Israel, but justifying it.
Fact.
Yup
Precisely!
They are justifying their actions against Hamas. If you strike in such densely populated region, there are casualties
@@programming_and_snacks5192"No one is innocent in Gaza" not even half of the population which are children 😮
This is a clear case. The genocide must immediately stop and everyone who is complicit should face justice.
What genocide? Where is the evidence of intent?
@@025Gamx watch the videos of yesterday wtf is u talking about...
@@025Gamx don't you recognize one when everybody sees one?
Can you name a country or ethnicity or whatever that balestinians are that went through a "genocide" yet their population increased six times during that genocide?
@@BlankarteWho is everybody? You?
The ICJ needs to hold hearings about the genocidal war in Myanmar
South African opening was heartbreaking while Israel’s sounds like the AD for a beauty product. 😞
I thought Israel was the accused here - not Hamas??
Because what they are doing is indefensible so instead, they distract with their hasbara bs
HA? right so if you fight against a terror group then you can't protect yourself because of people like you?@@alisarah1111
@@heikechilds2816Hamas is engaging with three IDF and no longer civilians yet the IDF has estimated to have killed more than 10,000 people.
@heikechilds2816
How in earth you say that ....
Israel is an occupation... Are you here in earth man
Jesus Christ- one of the cornerstones to their argument is that they have the right to defend themselves. Hamas has said they will do it again - HAMAS are using their own people as human shields. The question is of proportionality and whether Israel crossed the threshold into genocide. They should get peace keeping forces in there.
Africa= Why Hamas still holding hostages? why why why?
1. To protect the leadership.
Hamas has been asking for a ceasefire to exchange the rest of the hostages for months now. Israel has refused to quit bombing for even this period of serious reflection, showing a foul farting in the face of the International community.
to make Israel stop bombing their people. so Why IDF keep on bombing, shooting civillians , even they raised the white flag. why why why?
They holding mostly soliders
why does Israel imprision palestinians without trial indefinitely? why why why?
Exactly how is Iz trying to *minimize* destruction?!
Non Atomique bombe
Every accusation is a confession
@@stephenshaw1858 not what I said at all ✌️
whoops my bad.@@Theoneandonlysars
Delusion.
@@madgavin7568yes you are delusional thanks for confirming
@@Theoneandonlysars Don't give that 'No U' response. Hamas is guilty of committing war crimes.
Dear coagent of Isreal ， you have a few sad stories to tell but the other side may have a million and even sadder ones to tell.
❤❤❤
Very true
True, they should be very ashamed for supporting terrorists as their leaders that cause them so much sad stories.
They are all lies
@jyang - like the sad stories they create themselves and then use to justify, as revealed by the Israeli daily, Ha aretz
Talk talk, no defence to the courtroom.
Shamefull enough not mentioning about ICJ news for mainstream media... The same may happen to social media if they go on using algobots that much..
They are calling themselves evil over and over
I sincerely hope I am wrong but from the optics of the judges I dont expect much...like the deafening silence from most of Europe the so called bulwark of humanity and justice..
Exactly what i thought
the majority of judges are pro Israel. The only way South Africa will win is if 1 or 2 of them flip which is highly unlikely.
I listened to her presentation… very good evidence. Makes me think Palestinian supporters are not even a normal type of crazy
@@Acidfox86 what evidence??? Haha bruh u are the brainwashed one when u talking about Israel and evidence
Hamas supporters are not human
what is he trying to proof?, i though he is defending Israel against the genocide claim but he kept and kept on talking about Hamas, why no use international law articels and reference on his speach
he sounds unprofessional and scared even while reading a note
what a shame for the genocidal side
Everyone who would ever defend israel is so deep in the hasbara sauce only hamas and oct 7 exist in their vocabulary.
They say Hamas when they really mean Palestinians
Hamas is a armed party to the conflict and therefore they must be addressed
Seems like he's more trying to justify the genocide rather than disprove it.
This is quasi impossible because of israel's subsistence diet and illegalizing import seeds.
There are Palestinians on Oct 7, more than the number of Hamas but of course, u can choose to be deluded.
I feel so ASHAMED of the UK providing lawyers to deny Genocide yet again.
HOW CAN THEY? IT'S ATROCIOUS.
Well their first defence fails “their right to defend themselves within appropriate measures” those measures are set by international law and the very fact that they have breached and gone beyond the test of appropriate response is what is on trial here.
The threat dictates the response dingus.
Nope, this isn't a trial for their actions, it's solely to decide :" Is it genocide or not?"
"Someone has shuffled my papers..."
What a shambles this defence is.
Shambles just like your comments which fails to address any of the points raised by criticise the optics of what is happening
@@kedrick93
Lol, that's weak Dude
I have below made many astute observations on the utterly weak legal argumentation and Strawman argument this supposedly experienced lawyer has engaged in.
What a comedy show he has given us
@@theredseventhousandYou're wrong, clearly you are incapable of imagining the highly detailed and articulate position forwarded by the dude you are responding to. Clearly their intelligence is infallible and you have already lost to their logical retort.
Give up!
I recorded that
@@captain-chair Sorry Captain, I outrank you intellectually, and my points are entirely succinct, reasoned and apropos to what the world watched today.
If all you have to offer is argumentum ad hominem, can I please ask you to go elsewhere? I dont like to argue with the foolish...
There is no hamas in west bank. Why west bank people have to face the same atrocity and apartheid like gaza?
Wrong. Hamas is in the west bank. They've launched suicide bombing in the past and recently.
If the west bank is not complicit, why were they celebrating genocide on October 7 th. Ah! Genocide is okay when it is not happening to them?
There is hamas in west bank
How did white europeans end up in the middle of Africa and Arabia? Doesn't make sense...
BBC , CNN where are u guys 😅 why don't u cover this??!!
The ICJ needs to hold hearings about the Uyghur and Tibetan genocide cases committed by Xi Jinping and Chinese 🇨🇳 officials
China is better than USA and Israel
Thank you
Nice try buddy.
Nice try
Definitely, but now please don't try to divert attention on the Genocide on palestinian issues!
I thought Israel was bombing ICJ to defend itself reading the title 😂😂😂
If they were given a chance, they wouldn't hesitate to
the fact is that israel bombed the wrong target and persist doing so with the accomplice of many countries, mainly usa.
they did bomb, they bombed their own defense.
LMAO
Twisted darkest of dark humour.
😂😂😂😂
Defense is a joke 25k dead ppl show that u didnt cate about civilians, hum@s is not on trial here israel is.
take a shot every time they say khamas (try not to get alcohol poisoning challenge IMPOSSIBLE)
"""" Thursday's death ( 11-01-24) brought to 343 the number of Palestinians killed by Israelis in the West Bank since Oct. 7, according to figures released by the Health Ministry. 241 Palestinians were killed by settlers mostly in their terror raids in Palestinians villages during the weeks after Oct 7th. 102 Palestinians were killed by IDF during the 'anti terror raids' in the main Palestinians cities . The IDF did not provide any official information for 78 killings . """"
Big waste of time and money. This court has no real power against USA interest nor whosoever they support but every other countries.
Wanna bet? That attitude is what demoralized so many countries from making a stand. Let's applaud those that did instead of forever complaining and doing nothing
stop genocide in Gaza ...
12:55 their “evidence” of a “Hamas terrorist” yelling and calling his “dad” on WhatsApp, but the screen says “mom.” What even is their evidence lol
Rip barbarian islam forever🤮👹
"Within humanitarian law???"
What about a lawyer referring to case law is surprising to you?
I thought I would have seen some debunking of the claims made by providing the explanations of the application of actions in line with international law.
From the way she is breathing; her conscious is telling her that genocide is being done but stubbornness is carrying her on.... after this she will never be normal.
Is Israel going to pay reparations to Gazans for so much inflicted destruction and death?
She’s lying, disgraceful 😔
💯
Not a single lie. Sorry
@@davidzisu6289 lol ok, sure.
She's telling the truth that you can't accept.
@@krylleenesario8587 lawful military targets 😂 humanitarian considerations 🤪planted weapons 😉 no limit to aid supplies 😆 are just a few I caught
You know they have no defense when they are going after technicalities and even there they have no basis to argue.
You know someone has no knowledge of court proceedings when you read that kind of comments
The defense to South Africa's complaint, focusing at one point on Israel's obvious delay in responding to South Africa's complaint, is unpersuasive. Skipping over the "acts element." Arguing there is a lack of evidence of intent - claiming 'random assertions' by Israel's PM and Ministers don't show intent. So the death of 22,000+ mostly women and children, literally flattening Gaza, and inciting rhetoric by Netanyahu (etc.) do not reflect policy.
The court should be adjourned and reconvened in Gaza. See how long they last without water or lunch. It would no longer be an academic issue.
would serve as even more of a proof for our actions against hamas, since they are the ones who took the billions of dollars of aid before, and the humanitarian aid now for themselves, there were videos for proof on the on this video, and there are testimonies from gazan civilians
@@nyx9353 Are you speaking about the monetary support that Netanyahu has been giving to Hamas??
@@AGoddessit is qatary moneythat pay khamas leaders lifestyle....and weapons are from Iran.....Isreal's enemy....in case your mind is clouded...
@@nyx9353 we ha ve seen the pretty idf videos. a joke and about dollars you like taking US and EU money too aren't you ? to build your little walled paradise on Palestinian stolen lands in the West bank , thanks US the big brother
@@AGoddess XD oh this one XDDD