Unfortunately. German Royal Family was Incredible creative with Names. So Frederick or Friedrich Willhelm. Was the Name of like 20 People in that Family xD Not all of which became Emperor by the way xD
No Friedrich Wilhelm was ever Emperor of Germany under that name!. The Last Friedrich Wilhelm (the fourth) was King of Prussia before Wilhelm I (whose brother he was, but he never had kids, so there was no successor other than the brother). Friedrich Wilhelm was the name of Wilhelm I.s son and crown prince while still a prince, but when he was crowned emperor he became Friedrich III.
Ian, You mention the adoption of the pull-through with this rifle vs a cleaning rod. I for one (and I hope I'm not the only one) would be interested in a discussion or presentation of cleaning accoutrements. Going from cleaning rod to clearing rod , segmented rods and pull-throughs. I think it would make a fascinating sideline to the transition from large bore BP all the way through today's relatively tiny bore smokeless cartridges .
Good idea. And I already have a question for that discussion. I assume, rifles firing black powder need to be cleaned much more often than those that fire smokeless powder. I also assume that cleaning a rifle with a solid rod should be considerably faster than with a pull-through kit. So, was it really such a good idea to ditch the cleaning rod for a black powder rifle? After all, the cleaning rod shouldn't weight much more than a pull-through, if at all, and it doesn't seem that hard or inconvenient to stick the rod on the side of the rifle :^)
I love the fact that Ian goes through all aspects of the weapons and how they came to be. Instead of just covering the dimensions/caliber. Great stuff.
Actually we got 2 Mausers nowadays Mauser making hunting rifles And the Heckler&Koch, founded by some key Mauser engineers and designers, still having a overall monopoly over German military small arms just like old Mauser used to have
Muffins McGeez It's a shame, but it's also not an unrealistic attitude. At the time, about 90% of the population were subsistence farmers living on about $1 a day, with no formal education, and very little knowledge outside of how to till the land and how to do various farm-crafts. Perhaps a lucky few of them owned hunting land and could afford the time to shoot game, or predators to protect their cattle etc. So at the time, an educated officer from the nobility was practically an alien in terms of raw intelligence and wealth; so there truly was a HUGE divide between the capabilities of the enlisted and officers. Of course, that quickly began to change by the turn of the century, as agricultural mechanization allowed more people to pursue work outside of the farm and receive primary and secondary education, but that future hadn't happened yet, and The Great War proved how out-of-touch the officer class was to the new realities of both society and war. There's also a good argument to be made that a separate officer caste system in modern militaries is an obsolete institution, but that's for another time.
@@Intelwinsbigly Oh no. @John Eden didn’t say or even imply that he thought a separate officer caste/corps was a good idea. He explicitly stated that he thought it was obsolete.
@@johneden2033 The best officers IMHO tend to be those who commission from a non-comm rank. They've been in your shoes and usually understand things - and their people - better than someone who commissioned right out of cadet school.
@@bosknight7837 if your talking about the time this rifle was made there was no stripper clips or anything to speed up loading a magazine. so in terms of rate of fire in the time it takes to reload a tube magazine you could have shot a single shot rifle multiple times.
Thanks for the video on this rifle, I've been curious about the 71/84s since my grandfather moved his into my collection (1887 Spandau), and I had never seen one before so I wasn't sure how rare these are. Although something more interesting that I was given along side the rifle was ~150 rounds of 11mm Mauser. Most of them are just loosely packed into a .30 cal ammo can, but there's also what seems to be a case of original German surplus ammo, with all 20 rounds still in their cardboard box. In addition there is a pack of what looks like commercial ammo with all the rounds in a small paper packet and is bound by a string or twine wrapped around it, which is great since the 100+ year old paper isn't faring too well. I don't know if any of this is of interest for the forgotten weapons website, but if you are interested I would be glad to try and get some pictures headed your way. Regardless, thank you for your great videos because I love being able to learn something new about old and obscure firearms everyday. PS: Is it just me or does everyone agree that these are beautiful for ~130 year old rifles?
After extensively shooting one for some time now I can state one of the hidden aspects of joy with these is they had sights regulated to 100 meters with a second leaf to flip up to 200 and the ladder to beyond. From a time before military planner thinking assumed wars would be fought at the distances possible with newfound nitro propellants…and their newfound rifles sighted in at 300-400 yard trajectories. (Cough cough Mauser 98). A beautiful rifle for todays 100 yard ranges, if not yesteryear’s “no man’s land.”
I get the joke, but would like to clarify in case you didn't know. I.G. denotes an infantry rifle as opposed to a Cavalry Carbine or some other type of rifle.
After the movie "The Last Samurai" they refurbished a lot of these to simulate Murata rifles. I hope to find one in as good a condition as this one day. Cheers!
I've been waiting a long time for this one, nice that you finally covered it. It's nice to see a video covering a rifle that you actually own. It's pretty beat up, all of the markings are gone unfortunatly.
Ian this the best gun channel in the internet. I am watching a couple but usually thay are boring after a while. Your work is truly amazing. Thank you very much! I will register to this patron site to donate so you could continue- I decided.
I used to have Model 71/84....Spandau Arsenal manufactured in 1887. Paid $150.00 for it at a Montana Pawn Shop. Ammunition was quite hard to acquire. Found some smokeless powder cartridges (equivalent black powder charge) that was manufactured in Canada way back when. I'd buy a round here and there whenever I found them at gun shows. There was a "Turkish .43 Mauser" which was quite similar but the ammunition was not compatible so I was told. I believe the cartridge was slightly different. This was a fun gun to shoot and had minimal recoil. If memory serves me it was a 386 grain slug at 1200 ft. / second. I only took it out when I had extra ammo....always kept a full box of 20 rounds on hand. Also had a bayonet with mine. Bayonet was nearly 24" long.....quite a long weapon with the bayonet attached.
In the late 50s I walked into Golden State Arms in Pasadena CA where these rifles were on the floor by the crate full. Near new if not brand new, I bought one for $25. Thought I made a killing when a few years later I sold it for $65. Bought a couple boxes of mil surplus ammo too. Fun to shoot. Lots of smoke. Thanks for the memories.
Jonas Strzyz can you tell me anywhere that has a 2nd ammendment besides the US? Having lived with being lowed to own military weapons 30rd mags. Slowly, the military rifle becomes bad, an illegal import, then banned. Slowly slowly ceeping aking guns were gone.... I see patterns repeat, no importation of military rifles, mag size limitations in some states. I also wonder how long you will still have your guns. And in the cold light of day, 10yrs jail or give me your AR15...I'm pretty sure there wont be a huge need for extra jail cells
Have you done a video on the G88? If not I would love to see one. My great grandfather carried one for the SS when hitler was desperate and deployed old rifles and I still have the gun and absolutely love it
Very interesting! Was the rifle marked with SS armory markings? If so, that makes it much more valuable! Still, a very cool part of your family's history!
Just aquired one of these in a very bad condition, had no idea what it was until i googled the 71/88 amberg on it. Thanks Ian for the perfect explination!!! I love your videos, very helpful!
Thank you! I've watched several videos about this rifle after a friend asked me to look at one that had been left in his mother's garage when an old fellow passed away who rented the apartment above. The stock of the rifle I'm looking at was trimmed back at the for end to stop at the rearmost barrel clamp in a sporter configuration with several inches of the magazine exposed. The stock has also been nicely checkered and it's a quite handsome look. This is the first video I've been able to find that properly describes all of the basic functions of the magazine cutoff and elevator. Unfortunately the rifle in hand went many years without cleaning or maintenance. I was able to remove the bolt and the bore is OK but the elevator is stuck in the down position so I can't raise it to reinstall the bolt. Now that I know what's wrong I'm going to try cleaning with solvent to see if that loosens the elevator enough that it can lubricated and raised. Any further issues beyond that and I'll see what my gunsmith thinks about it. Thanks again for the excellently knowledgeable video!
Also never push down the loading tray with the bolt out and lever pulled back else the bolt won't go back in. You cant bring the tray back up to move the lever forward so you can put the bolt back in unless you remove the stock and push the loader up from the bottom with your finger. It's a problem I ran into with my brothers.
Indeed there is a difference with the amunition of a G 71 and a G 71/84. The later cartridge has its primer set more deeply into ths cartridge bottom and the tip of the bullet was flatened to avoid amunition explosions in the tube magazine. Just the same measures the French tokk with their Mle 1886 Lebel.
I think the receiver and bolt where left "in the white" because they had so much nickel in them. I believe the 1891 argentine did too. Does anyone know for sure?
The 1891 Argentine has a white bolt , and a blued receiver. However, most of them have the finish ground off where the national crest was, which was done when they left Argentine service.
Ads from 1960's showed these 71/84 in pristine condition stating they were sold to Guatemala but rarely issued. Yours may be part of that lot. Some encountered will have a slightly bent bolt handle that was done by US surplus dealer, not Mauser or military.
The 9,5 x60R M1887 Turkei was the successful outcome of Mauser'ssmallcalibre BP developments...over 100,000 made before the M1890 interrupted the contract. Also, I have Two 1871/84 rifles, marked to OHG ( Ontario Home Guard)...which resulted in Dominion Cartridge Co. Making Relaodable 11x60R ammo for many years... Could You do a video on How Ontario Province acquired these Rifles, When, and for how long they were used until surplussed?? And who supplied the ammo until Dominion started up production? Thanks for the Excellent expose' Doc AV Brisbane, Australia
I have a 1871/84 made in 1887 at spandau. I shoot it occasionally but has to have the last few inches of the barrel counter boared due to severe pitting at the end of the barrel
US Army fell into that same debate after WW II when discussing about the new rifle ending up with the M 14 instead of assault rifle allthough the idea was well established.
Always thought these were really cool. One passed through my hands back in the late 80s; it was an 1888 manufactured at Spandau. Wish I had kept it. When I did research back then in the pre-internet days I thought I had read that Mauser designed a 9mm version that was eventually built for Spain. The fact that I never found one makes me think that was in error.
That F.W. marking on the side should make it quite rare. Friedrich was only Emperor for 99 says before he died, there can't be many of these manufactured during that Time.
So, Ian. If someone was a soldier and there was a war going on and a heated battle taking place, how many shots out of a black powder repeating rifle like this one could be fired before fouling rendered it unusable? Would that number be closer to 10 or to 100? Were there times when soldiers had no choice but to do cleaning while still under fire?
8:10 If only they knew what ammo consumption would look like 50-60 years later. Now, given, motor transport makes ammo supply a lot more efficient than horse-drawn wagons.
I wonder if the fact the soldier needed to use force to open and close the bolt eventually developed the training and school house saying to 'work the bolt with AUTHORITY '
Are there any blackpowder guns you would rather have than the Lebel? For example does the mechanical superiority of the Remington Lee or the speed of a Winchester 1886 overcome the advantages of smokeless 8mm Lebel?
What is it about the 71/84 in particular that leads to the accuracy issues? Lots of black powder rifles locked on the bolt handle like that but it's always a specific footnote with these.
I have a question for Ian or any "true" gun enthusiasts / experts that may be watching this video. I have studied many guns and have watched several of Ian's videos (among others). My question is: how do you deal with people that think or believe something about a weapon, gun or firearm that you know (through thorough observation and countless hours of study) to be false, untrue or just plain wrong?
The Gewehr 1888 came out after the 8mm Lebel cartridge and rifle were developed by the French and not before. The French turned all those beautiful Gewehr 1871/84s into obsolete rifles which caused the Germans to push the 1888 Commission Rifle through approval processes so quickly. Thankfully, Mauser’s 1898 model rifle was available to them a decade later although his 93/95 series of rifles would have served them just as well.
waffen-dorfner.at in Vienna/Austria is still producing around 25 types of BP ammunition. CIP controlled! For instance 20 rounds of the 11x60R M. 71/84 cost € 122 with boxer cases. So in Europe we have no problems with ammunition for old Werndl's, Mauser's, Mannlicher's.
The marking 👑 F.W. could refer to the Friedrich Wilhelm line of Prussian kings. Although by the beginning of 1871 (the year in which the Mauser 71 was developed/adopted) Friedrich Wilhelm IV died and was succeded by his brother Wilhelm, who would also become the first ruler of the German Empire.
1360-ish lb ft. about 1350 fps. pretty comparable and authoritative on soft skin targets. typical for the day with 11mm gras, 11mm spanish, 11mm egyptian, and the martini henry hit with a bit more oompa
Isn't this the same rifle as used in the movie The Last Samurai? Afterwards they sold off all the rifles used in the movie for a handsome 400 USD (including a certificate that it was used in that movie).
I enjoyed your episode on the Mauser 71/84 and I found it very informative. I am missing a magazine follower for my Mauser 71/84 and I have scoured the internet and I can’t find any. Do you have one you would sale me or know who does have one for sale? I have an excellent condition all parts matching, with no unit markings; however, it’s missing a magazine follower :(
Can we get a disassembley video please, i frequently have a chance to pess woth one of these and i cant get the bolt out, im wondering if there is some trick i am missing or if the top ring lug thing is just stuck
one would wonder what could have happened if they'd successfully converted to smokeless. Could have given the 98 a run for it's money with the right modifications.
This might seem like a stupid question - but would a tube magazine work if we were to go to CTA ammunition or those more block shaped caseless cartridges?
Slowly working your way backwards? ^^ Thinking about it today, it boggles the mind how many rifles they did produce. How many soldiers they thought they had to equip (and, eventually, did). Given that nowadays the successor of that state uses less than 200k rifles, that's a really significant amount.
how many people died due to shaky hands in combat due to that loading system and them not being able to load it properly, let alone launched out your first round pulling the bolt back to vigorously ?
Hey I'm a huge huge huge huge fan man. What's ur name ? Other then the gun master what's ur name. I hope u keep up the amazing work. I Ben watching and I've learned soooo much about guns and the history and how they work from you man can u do more with hand hums early aromatics and prototype guns maybe and more American guns keep up the awsome work what's ur name ?
Rifles with "Friedrich Wilhelm" on em should be quite rare. He was only Kaiser for 99 days in 1888.
411.48 R Friederich Willhelm was the father of Friederich Wilhellm the 3 who reigned for the 90 days , then FW3 son Wilhellm became kaiser in 1888.
Unfortunately. German Royal Family was Incredible creative with Names. So Frederick or Friedrich Willhelm. Was the Name of like 20 People in that Family xD
Not all of which became Emperor by the way xD
@@Gilder-von-Schattenkreuz THEY'RE ALL FREDS!
No Friedrich Wilhelm was ever Emperor of Germany under that name!. The Last Friedrich Wilhelm (the fourth) was King of Prussia before Wilhelm I (whose brother he was, but he never had kids, so there was no successor other than the brother).
Friedrich Wilhelm was the name of Wilhelm I.s son and crown prince while still a prince, but when he was crowned emperor he became Friedrich III.
@@Ugly_German_Truths prussia and germany are basically the same thing
Ian, You mention the adoption of the pull-through with this rifle vs a cleaning rod. I for one (and I hope I'm not the only one) would be interested in a discussion or presentation of cleaning accoutrements. Going from cleaning rod to clearing rod , segmented rods and pull-throughs. I think it would make a fascinating sideline to the transition from large bore BP all the way through today's relatively tiny bore smokeless cartridges .
Good idea. And I already have a question for that discussion. I assume, rifles firing black powder need to be cleaned much more often than those that fire smokeless powder. I also assume that cleaning a rifle with a solid rod should be considerably faster than with a pull-through kit. So, was it really such a good idea to ditch the cleaning rod for a black powder rifle? After all, the cleaning rod shouldn't weight much more than a pull-through, if at all, and it doesn't seem that hard or inconvenient to stick the rod on the side of the rifle :^)
Its weird to hear the words "mauser was a small company"
Bdkj 3e yeah i guess so
One day after the regime of a man with tiny square moustache and bad tempered, it'll be so huge
Or Colt or Winchester .
I love the fact that Ian goes through all aspects of the weapons and how they came to be. Instead of just covering the dimensions/caliber. Great stuff.
It’s amazing that the Mauser company is still with us today, and they make beautiful hunting rifles.
Not to jump off the path ,Baretta has been making firearms for 500 yrs. and is still owned by the Baretta family
gun fisher: very true and they make very fine firearms in Europe and America
gun fisher - One would imagine people would've learned to spell their name correctly by now then...
Actually we got 2 Mausers nowadays
Mauser making hunting rifles
And the Heckler&Koch, founded by some key Mauser engineers and designers, still having a overall monopoly over German military small arms just like old Mauser used to have
@@t60-flying95There's a Mauser's liquor store in my neighborhood.
It's depressing how much contempt generals and tacticians had towards their servicemen during these periods. No wonder ww1 was such a nightmare.
Muffins McGeez It's a shame, but it's also not an unrealistic attitude. At the time, about 90% of the population were subsistence farmers living on about $1 a day, with no formal education, and very little knowledge outside of how to till the land and how to do various farm-crafts. Perhaps a lucky few of them owned hunting land and could afford the time to shoot game, or predators to protect their cattle etc. So at the time, an educated officer from the nobility was practically an alien in terms of raw intelligence and wealth; so there truly was a HUGE divide between the capabilities of the enlisted and officers. Of course, that quickly began to change by the turn of the century, as agricultural mechanization allowed more people to pursue work outside of the farm and receive primary and secondary education, but that future hadn't happened yet, and The Great War proved how out-of-touch the officer class was to the new realities of both society and war.
There's also a good argument to be made that a separate officer caste system in modern militaries is an obsolete institution, but that's for another time.
@@johneden2033 don't say that a separate officer core isn't a good idea until you deal with grunts yourself, I've heard horror stories.
@@Intelwinsbigly Oh no. @John Eden didn’t say or even imply that he thought a separate officer caste/corps was a good idea. He explicitly stated that he thought it was obsolete.
@@genghiskhan6809 congratulations on finding a year old typo, I have always and will always be blind. 👍
@@johneden2033 The best officers IMHO tend to be those who commission from a non-comm rank. They've been in your shoes and usually understand things - and their people - better than someone who commissioned right out of cadet school.
Smoke blocking line of sight is actually a pretty interesting argument for just keeping single-shot rifles...
Michael Berthelsen A lot of people forget how bad black powder is.
Michael Berthelsen but then,it would still be better to be able to fire faster,no?
@@bosknight7837 if your talking about the time this rifle was made there was no stripper clips or anything to speed up loading a magazine. so in terms of rate of fire in the time it takes to reload a tube magazine you could have shot a single shot rifle multiple times.
Fredrick Gorag except that you can totally also load a single shot into it
@@bosknight7837so it that case you're going to be using it as a single shot most of them. so why bother wasting resources making it a repeater.
Thanks for the video on this rifle, I've been curious about the 71/84s since my grandfather moved his into my collection (1887 Spandau), and I had never seen one before so I wasn't sure how rare these are. Although something more interesting that I was given along side the rifle was ~150 rounds of 11mm Mauser. Most of them are just loosely packed into a .30 cal ammo can, but there's also what seems to be a case of original German surplus ammo, with all 20 rounds still in their cardboard box. In addition there is a pack of what looks like commercial ammo with all the rounds in a small paper packet and is bound by a string or twine wrapped around it, which is great since the 100+ year old paper isn't faring too well. I don't know if any of this is of interest for the forgotten weapons website, but if you are interested I would be glad to try and get some pictures headed your way. Regardless, thank you for your great videos because I love being able to learn something new about old and obscure firearms everyday.
PS: Is it just me or does everyone agree that these are beautiful for ~130 year old rifles?
A perfect Sunday morning sermon from the messiah of fire power.
El Burro Peligroso gun Jesus is only Jesus
Sun Praiser lol
The god of gat?
So the pharisees of youtube are going to crucify Ian to make him a martyr for gun rights? :)
El Burro Peligroso Why? Who else might there be?
"It does not say "repeating" so of course no one will think it is." That's the Germans for you.
To be fair you are talking about germans here a few armorers probably went to the asylum over this thing not beeing correctly labeled
After extensively shooting one for some time now I can state one of the hidden aspects of joy with these is they had sights regulated to 100 meters with a second leaf to flip up to 200 and the ladder to beyond. From a time before military planner thinking assumed wars would be fought at the distances possible with newfound nitro propellants…and their newfound rifles sighted in at 300-400 yard trajectories. (Cough cough Mauser 98). A beautiful rifle for todays 100 yard ranges, if not yesteryear’s “no man’s land.”
Infanty rifle, eh? Guess it does look kinda small...
I get the joke, but would like to clarify in case you didn't know. I.G. denotes an infantry rifle as opposed to a Cavalry Carbine or some other type of rifle.
After the movie "The Last Samurai" they refurbished a lot of these to simulate Murata rifles. I hope to find one in as good a condition as this one day. Cheers!
Not sure if you are still in the site but I know a few places that are selling them about to get one myself
I have a 71/84 converted to 45/70. A very very fun gun
Andrew Jacobson cheaper to shoot. Was it rebarreled or rebored
Andrew, odd, since the 71/84 cartridge was 60mm long (same size as the 45-90 length) - rebarreled?
Love that cool hexagonal barrel on older riffles pistols. Especially the Webley
I've been waiting a long time for this one, nice that you finally covered it.
It's nice to see a video covering a rifle that you actually own. It's pretty beat up, all of the markings are gone unfortunatly.
Ian this the best gun channel in the internet. I am watching a couple but usually thay are boring after a while. Your work is truly amazing. Thank you very much!
I will register to this patron site to donate so you could continue- I decided.
I used to have Model 71/84....Spandau Arsenal manufactured in 1887. Paid $150.00 for it at a Montana Pawn Shop. Ammunition was quite hard to acquire. Found some smokeless powder cartridges (equivalent black powder charge) that was manufactured in Canada way back when. I'd buy a round here and there whenever I found them at gun shows. There was a "Turkish .43 Mauser" which was quite similar but the ammunition was not compatible so I was told. I believe the cartridge was slightly different. This was a fun gun to shoot and had minimal recoil. If memory serves me it was a 386 grain slug at 1200 ft. / second. I only took it out when I had extra ammo....always kept a full box of 20 rounds on hand. Also had a bayonet with mine. Bayonet was nearly 24" long.....quite a long weapon with the bayonet attached.
I have one in about the same condition. Very impressive rifles, tricky to load for but still worth it.
yep. and yours shoots great!
In the late 50s I walked into Golden State Arms in Pasadena CA where these rifles were on the floor by the crate full. Near new if not brand new, I bought one for $25. Thought I made a killing when a few years later I sold it for $65. Bought a couple boxes of mil surplus ammo too. Fun to shoot. Lots of smoke. Thanks for the memories.
That’s a *HOT* rifle
The story about the handguard is so silly it makes me think about the British.
Just think of it as, erm, a thermal rate reducer?
Why ?
+Buffsbeard
I think it migh have to do with british not having a second amendment and their gun laws. That is my take on it.
Jonas Strzyz can you tell me anywhere that has a 2nd ammendment besides the US?
Having lived with being lowed to own military weapons 30rd mags. Slowly, the military rifle becomes bad, an illegal import, then banned. Slowly slowly ceeping aking guns were gone....
I see patterns repeat, no importation of military rifles, mag size limitations in some states. I also wonder how long you will still have your guns.
And in the cold light of day, 10yrs jail or give me your AR15...I'm pretty sure there wont be a huge need for extra jail cells
Ozdave McGee That's why 80s are as much as 100s
Have you done a video on the G88? If not I would love to see one. My great grandfather carried one for the SS when hitler was desperate and deployed old rifles and I still have the gun and absolutely love it
Very interesting! Was the rifle marked with SS armory markings? If so, that makes it much more valuable! Still, a very cool part of your family's history!
Just aquired one of these in a very bad condition, had no idea what it was until i googled the 71/88 amberg on it. Thanks Ian for the perfect explination!!! I love your videos, very helpful!
I'm a simple man, I see a video of Ian with a bolt action rifle Circa 1880 and I like. Much love Ian keep it up
So it's a mauser lebel thingy... Cool
Has it been dropped?
I have been waiting for this video since the Gewehr 71 video, thanks Ian!
Thank you! I've watched several videos about this rifle after a friend asked me to look at one that had been left in his mother's garage when an old fellow passed away who rented the apartment above. The stock of the rifle I'm looking at was trimmed back at the for end to stop at the rearmost barrel clamp in a sporter configuration with several inches of the magazine exposed. The stock has also been nicely checkered and it's a quite handsome look. This is the first video I've been able to find that properly describes all of the basic functions of the magazine cutoff and elevator. Unfortunately the rifle in hand went many years without cleaning or maintenance. I was able to remove the bolt and the bore is OK but the elevator is stuck in the down position so I can't raise it to reinstall the bolt. Now that I know what's wrong I'm going to try cleaning with solvent to see if that loosens the elevator enough that it can lubricated and raised. Any further issues beyond that and I'll see what my gunsmith thinks about it. Thanks again for the excellently knowledgeable video!
Love your channel man!!
Also never push down the loading tray with the bolt out and lever pulled back else the bolt won't go back in. You cant bring the tray back up to move the lever forward so you can put the bolt back in unless you remove the stock and push the loader up from the bottom with your finger. It's a problem I ran into with my brothers.
Indeed there is a difference with the amunition of a G 71 and a G 71/84. The later cartridge has its primer set more deeply into ths cartridge bottom and the tip of the bullet was flatened to avoid amunition explosions in the tube magazine. Just the same measures the French tokk with their Mle 1886 Lebel.
Man, the last time I was this late, the Germans were still using Dreyse needle rifles...
There is a typo in the opening card, "infantry" is spelled "infanty"
It´s for the even younger troops than cadets, for cavalry they had toddlerkopf hussars.
Evan Anthony In German it's actually spelled infanterie.
It’s not like we can spell anyways.
/Infenetreeman....Entifantreyman...Imfamptryman...dude who walks a lot and carries stuff.
903lew brief periods of action followed by long stretches of boredom.
Friedrich Wilhelm who was...well, in charge. This was the most awesome way in history to describe an emperor.
I think the receiver and bolt where left "in the white" because they had so much nickel in them. I believe the 1891 argentine did too. Does anyone know for sure?
The 1891 Argentine has a white bolt , and a blued receiver. However, most of them have the finish ground off where the national crest was, which was done when they left Argentine service.
Ads from 1960's showed these 71/84 in pristine condition stating they were sold to Guatemala but rarely issued. Yours may be part of that lot. Some encountered will have a slightly bent bolt handle that was done by US surplus dealer, not Mauser or military.
The 9,5 x60R M1887 Turkei was the successful outcome of Mauser'ssmallcalibre BP developments...over 100,000 made before the M1890 interrupted the contract.
Also, I have Two 1871/84 rifles, marked to OHG ( Ontario Home Guard)...which resulted in Dominion Cartridge Co. Making Relaodable 11x60R ammo for many years...
Could You do a video on How Ontario Province acquired these Rifles, When, and for how long they were used until surplussed??
And who supplied the ammo until Dominion started up production?
Thanks for the Excellent expose'
Doc AV Brisbane, Australia
With how slowly tube magazines load the magazine cutoff makes sense.
The handguard incentive is a kind of sadistic form of "Well, you're not wrong".
This is the only channel where i "Like" the videos before watching... although I get a little disappointed when disassembly is not done.
I have a 1871/84 made in 1887 at spandau. I shoot it occasionally but has to have the last few inches of the barrel counter boared due to severe pitting at the end of the barrel
I picked up a sporterized one not long ago. I wish it hadn't been cut down but still a fun rifle to shoot.
US Army fell into that same debate after WW II when discussing about the new rifle ending up with the M 14 instead of assault rifle allthough the idea was well established.
Always thought these were really cool. One passed through my hands back in the late 80s; it was an 1888 manufactured at Spandau. Wish I had kept it.
When I did research back then in the pre-internet days I thought I had read that Mauser designed a 9mm version that was eventually built for Spain. The fact that I never found one makes me think that was in error.
Ralph Hughes they built 9.5mm for Turkey in 1887
Thats a very straight pull
That F.W. marking on the side should make it quite rare. Friedrich was only Emperor for 99 says before he died, there can't be many of these manufactured during that Time.
Great video. Love the info
At West Point Museum there is a version of this rifle that was used by the Boxers during the Boxer Rebellion.
So, Ian. If someone was a soldier and there was a war going on and a heated battle taking place, how many shots out of a black powder repeating rifle like this one could be fired before fouling rendered it unusable? Would that number be closer to 10 or to 100? Were there times when soldiers had no choice but to do cleaning while still under fire?
I really would love to see one of these put up against a Remington Keene
Hamm's Beer Bear Shooting Range Keene has the advantage of being able to be loaded from the bottom without having to manipulate the bolt
This guns craftsmanship is excellent . Hold and shoot one and you’ll understand .
Very interesting gun. Especially the magazine. Thumbs up! :)
An elegant looking weapon.
8:10 If only they knew what ammo consumption would look like 50-60 years later. Now, given, motor transport makes ammo supply a lot more efficient than horse-drawn wagons.
Interesting that it has a "magazine release" tab.
Nice!. I have one of these in very rough wall hanger shape.
i have one and this is just to much fun to shoot
Are 71s more expensive or rarer than the 71 84s?
I wonder if the fact the soldier needed to use force to open and close the bolt eventually developed the training and school house saying to 'work the bolt with AUTHORITY '
Are there any blackpowder guns you would rather have than the Lebel? For example does the mechanical superiority of the Remington Lee or the speed of a Winchester 1886 overcome the advantages of smokeless 8mm Lebel?
This vid works well in conjunction with the last two Othias & May recently posted.
What is it about the 71/84 in particular that leads to the accuracy issues? Lots of black powder rifles locked on the bolt handle like that but it's always a specific footnote with these.
I have no clue why but after seeing a few 1871 based target rifles in 9.5x47R. It's weird for me to see an original configuration one
i'm noticing that the bolt looks a bit like a mosin bolt
How were the serials assigned? You mentioned there was over 1.1 million of these made between 1884-1888. The serial on this 1888 production is 8220.
8:50 it's not a bug, it's a feature
I have a question for Ian or any "true" gun enthusiasts / experts that may be watching this video. I have studied many guns and have watched several of Ian's videos (among others). My question is: how do you deal with people that think or believe something about a weapon, gun or firearm that you know (through thorough observation and countless hours of study) to be false, untrue or just plain wrong?
And that my friend is why old men go hum when you tell them a story.
The Gewehr 1888 came out after the 8mm Lebel cartridge and rifle were developed by the French and not before. The French turned all those beautiful Gewehr 1871/84s into obsolete rifles which caused the Germans to push the 1888 Commission Rifle through approval processes so quickly. Thankfully, Mauser’s 1898 model rifle was available to them a decade later although his 93/95 series of rifles would have served them just as well.
Trying to head off Othias eh?
War was declare
Lol, I didn't look closely at the thumbnail so I assumed it was a C&Rsenal video since theyve been saying they were covering it soon.
I often find bullets of this gun in the forests.
waffen-dorfner.at in Vienna/Austria is still producing around 25 types of BP ammunition. CIP controlled! For instance 20 rounds of the 11x60R M. 71/84 cost € 122 with boxer cases. So in Europe we have no problems with ammunition for old Werndl's, Mauser's, Mannlicher's.
Oh, goodness... The thinking behind the missing hand guard...😂😂😂 I mean, it's genius, but also seriously messed up...!🤣
A lot of the argument on magazines centred on ammunition wastage by individual soldiers.
Great video. I'm also looking to see C&Rsenal's take on it.
The marking 👑 F.W. could refer to the Friedrich Wilhelm line of Prussian kings. Although by the beginning of 1871 (the year in which the Mauser 71 was developed/adopted) Friedrich Wilhelm IV died and was succeded by his brother Wilhelm, who would also become the first ruler of the German Empire.
Again great vid and I wonder how this cartridge compares to the .45-70 since the .45-70 is a good cartridge
1360-ish lb ft. about 1350 fps. pretty comparable and authoritative on soft skin targets. typical for the day with 11mm gras, 11mm spanish, 11mm egyptian, and the martini henry hit with a bit more oompa
Isn't this the same rifle as used in the movie The Last Samurai? Afterwards they sold off all the rifles used in the movie for a handsome 400 USD (including a certificate that it was used in that movie).
Oh man that thing is in nice condition considering the age.
I enjoyed your episode on the Mauser 71/84 and I found it very informative. I am missing a magazine follower for my Mauser 71/84 and I have scoured the internet and I can’t find any. Do you have one you would sale me or know who does have one for sale? I have an excellent condition all parts matching, with no unit markings; however, it’s missing a magazine follower :(
the follower AND the spring are availablenas a single unit set from Gunparts Corp in West Hurley NY. good luck. sorry it took three years to see this.
Can we get a disassembley video please, i frequently have a chance to pess woth one of these and i cant get the bolt out, im wondering if there is some trick i am missing or if the top ring lug thing is just stuck
Yes, the German Army uses pull-trough cleaning systems to the day: www.armeebedarf.com/Bundeswehr-Waffenreinigungsset-556-oder-762-9mm-neu
These rifles are so beautiful
It's about time.
What Is The Avarage & Max Rate Of Fire Of That Rifle Please?
Ran into one of these at a gun store that was rechambered for 45-70 and set up in a scout-rifle type configuration. Pretty funky
one would wonder what could have happened if they'd successfully converted to smokeless. Could have given the 98 a run for it's money with the right modifications.
As far as i know, this Rifle and some G71 Rifles saw action in South West Africa by Askari Units
This was made for 4 years how many could they have made.
WELL OVER A MILLION
Is brass still available for this?
Why were iron sights so small back then???
Any idea how many could be in service by 1889/90?
This might seem like a stupid question - but would a tube magazine work if we were to go to CTA ammunition or those more block shaped caseless cartridges?
Spiz103 I guess it depends if there is still a risk of a pointed bullet hitting a primer!
I think the g11 had a similar elevator system.
Slowly working your way backwards? ^^
Thinking about it today, it boggles the mind how many rifles they did produce. How many soldiers they thought they had to equip (and, eventually, did). Given that nowadays the successor of that state uses less than 200k rifles, that's a really significant amount.
UnDeaDCyBorg the modern German military is a complete joke
Well, most everyone agrees on that. Probably ought to rely on mercenaries.
Ian Cornell Why would the modern German state need a larger Army, what would be the point, to burden the tax payers just for symbolism?
That's one good "Infanty" Gewehr...
how many people died due to shaky hands in combat due to that loading system and them not being able to load it properly, let alone launched out your first round pulling the bolt back to vigorously ?
None.
Hey I'm a huge huge huge huge fan man. What's ur name ? Other then the gun master what's ur name. I hope u keep up the amazing work. I Ben watching and I've learned soooo much about guns and the history and how they work from you man can u do more with hand hums early aromatics and prototype guns maybe and more American guns keep up the awsome work what's ur name ?
An excellent specimen!
The condition is really good.
Please do the Kropatschek soon
Ive got one. Wonder what its worth?