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- Here is a setup/mixing strategy for large rock shows that helps keep your mix together I have been using since the late 80s.
00:00 intro
00:18 Mic chart
02:26 Routing
03:45 Compression
04:06 Compressor settings
05:33 Compressors vs maintaining mix
07:10 Using VCA's
07:47 Pre and post compressor VCA's
09:49 Compressors as metering
11:08 Routing effects
12:33 Focusing on the artist vs the console
14:21 Outro
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Dave Rat has mixed live sound for artists such as Soundgarden, Blink 182, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against the Machine and The Offspring throughout the world and shares some insights he has learned and figured out.
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It's incredible how much you can learn in 15 minutes. Thanks Dave, amazing video.
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Thanks to videos like yours I've moved up from mixing small clubs, working production, and now the last 4 years touring with National country artists. Thank you Dave for all you do for the community.
Awesome and super cool Christopher!
it's great to read small success stories like this, good for you man!
To add to this, they let me run the board alone now 😊
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The idea that an audience can be in front of one cluster and not always get a true stereo image is not always understood. Love that you touched on that.
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Your 'focusing on the artist' section reminded me of a video where you do an FOH tour, where your console is to your side instead of in front of you. 100% endorsed. When I'm doing a stage at an outdoor folk fest once the mix is stable I love to take my iPad and go sit on the grass with the rest of the audience. It's "normal" but not "natural" to turn the console into a kind of armour that separates you from the show.
Yes and very cool. Greg!
I spent 5 minutes trying to find the English translation of his Cyrillic shirt in the outro... just now got it 😂😂
I'm a big fan of your content Mr. Rat, it is truly a joy to watch your videos!!
Fun and thank you
I've been using this exact setup in my live mixing workflow for the past few years and it has revolutionized the way I mix live. Thanks Dave!
Cool cool Tyler!
Came across this video on 3rd day of a 10 day festival, where i was struggling with foh mix. It literally saved the festival. amazing advice and channel. A treasure. Thanks Rat 🙏🏻💙
Soo cool!!
Love ya Dave! You always answer questions you didn't know I had!
Awesome!
Always love your videos! Thanks Dave
Awesome and thank you!
EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION OF A EXPERT MIX BRAVO
Seriously love this! Thanks for sharing your approach. If I understand this correctly you are returning your effects back into their corresponding group. Having the pre and post group VCA is a very nice touch and will most certainly be utilizing that in my show file moving forward. Love it!
Yes, effect back to the groups of the effected instruments. And lete know how it goes for ya
Excellent overview with enough detail and examples to be useful in multiple scenarios.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience
Cool cool Tom!
Makes 100% total sense. More of this, please Dave!
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Man this is amazing. Just started exploring groups and DCAs lately so this is perfect timing to think logically on how to use them
I watched the original version of this video years ago...thanks for sharing Mr. Rat....you rock !!
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Man, thanks for all the videos. We just got an x32/s16 and I'm trying to figure it all out and your videos have been a great help.
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Great and very informative video. Your approach to mixing live bands makes so much sense.
Keep up the the great lessons I really appreciate it.
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Very educational. You obviously have a wealth of experience and a big thanks for sharing.
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That was dope thanks! This eliminates so much headache and distraction, but still gives you the freedom to change whatever needs to be adjusted / fine tuned.
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The 2 VCA's are a very good idea !!!
Thx for sharing, it helps!
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Thank for this very detailed explanation of complicated sound routing and explanations of your sound mixing strategies. The white board was very helpful to visualize a complicated system. It’s very interesting how everything works together for live sound venues.
Super cool thank you Matt!
Dude! this is such a simple but fantastic technique. Thanks for sharing Dave!
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Brilliant, Dave! Thanks for this
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You're a living legend Dave, I learn a lot from you
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Wow. I'm wildly impressed. Using this setup immediately.
Awesome let me know how it goes!
Thank you so much for this kind of video! So inspiring and helpful!
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This guy is a genius. Please keep putting videos like this out!
Thank you Justin!!
This was the most inspirational video I watched, at the start of my sound journey 10 years ago and to this day, I still love it.
As always Dave, you are a game changer!
Awesome and thank you!
With all of the fancy digital stuff that's accessible now live, like Snapshots, VST Bridges and so on. It's REALLY valuable to have a resource like this! Simple and logical! Makes total sense, works with all consoles, all the fancy stuff is extra!
Every video is like a concentrated dose of YEARS of knowledge and it’s incredibly informative
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I have applied this strategy to several different consoles and its become my go-to for probably over 10 years now. Dave is the man! It has given me so much more freedom in my mix as you can spend more time on detailed fx and making it shine!
Awesome!
I just started implementing the pre/post DCA’s and I love it! Such a great idea to give more room for creativity at the console. I love when I get to mix as if I’m playing an additional instrument and contributing to the band.
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Thanks Dave for all your vids! They have made me a better engineer. I found your work on large subs super informative. The models were great.
I think your reminders of the importance of simplicity and big picture focus are especially cool. I can look back now and laugh at how I perhaps was 'that' micro-manager type guy you spoke of. e.g. It took me 10yrs to learn how to use my effects and another 10 to know WHEN to use them .
Again, thanks for your work and shares. I recommend to all jr.(and some senior lol) audio techs.
Super cool thank you Steven!
LOVE your approach to setting up the board and routing, DAMN! Thank you for sharing.
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The dual VCA trick is brilliant, thanks so much !
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Magic! Seriously though, this is so really great information for young folks mixing. It's nice to see professionals sharing.
I appreciate that!
Fantastic insight Dave, thanks for all the great content. :)
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Thank you Mr Rat. My dream come true I always wanted to learn from a pro what you teach. I’ll be able to record myself properly now.
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Just wanna say thank you, Dave! Cheers from Brazil.
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Just discovered your channel today Dave. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and tips! Absolutely amazing resource for an amateur such as myself. I'm just a guitarist in a 4-piece cover band who runs the band sound with a Soundcraft Ui24 while playing (no fun at all trying to do a soundcheck just before a show, where you're the only guitar player!).
Honestly, I'll probably never get to apply a lot of your tips as I just don't have the time available pre-gig, but having the background knowledge is still invaluable, so once again...thanks so much!
All the best from Brisbane, Australia mate!
Cheers,
Matt.
Blast from the past! I myself only came across your channel recently but I did watch this one last year. There is so much information in this video it is impossible to absorb it all in one viewing ... unless you already know it all! 😅👉 Thanks again!
Thank you Haze!
I think I just found my new cubase template. Now I can finally focus on composing. You won't believe the mess Ive been making with vca's groups and sends. This makes so much sense. Thank you. Very grateful.
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Dave you are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much.
Thank you Cheezy!
Thank You so much for this video ! Brilliant 😎
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Hi Dave. Thanks for all the content you post. You’ve inspired me to try to make a career change into pro audio. Keep rockin’. Can’t wait to see your team back on the Polo Grounds
Welcome and very cool!
I've been mixing sound for 40+ years and I just learned something new (apart from being happy that I've held on to a few of my huge analog desks!) Thanks for sharing, keep it up!
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Epic. So simple. Thanks Dave.
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Great tips! Very well presented!
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thank you mr dave for sharing this mixing knowledge. I am a follower of his and I love to see his videos. Greetings from Venezuela
Thank you Carlos!
WoW. What a great video. Thank you very much sir. The knowledge that you are giving is priceless. Thank you again Sir.❤❤❤
Amazing i just found your channel a few weeks ago. We have to train our own production crews. Your videos are going to assist with this. Thank you.
Super cool!
Great video! Thank you!
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I really think that this approach can be used when mixing in the studio as well. Thank you for taking the time to share this with everyone, this is invaluable stuff!
Let me know how it goes!
all of this makes perfect sense in seems to be very helpful and manageable and applied immediately thanks for the discussion Dave
Awesome!
This is pure gold! Thank you so for for sharing!!
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Great insights, Dave!
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Nice! Very informative and insightful. Thanks for posting!
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The VCA tip is so brilliant !
Awesome!
Hey Dave super video - would love to have heard the results you’re talking about as you explained them. Like an A / B scenario… definitely the cumulative sound as you added the steps into the process. Top notch man
I am going to release a new video on the member side with demo using a track I recorded from a live show. It can't be released publically but is pretty cool
The pre and post compressor group VCA relationship is amazing and something I had not seen before.
Cool cool and yes, I e not seen it before either
🙌🏾 Beyond grateful for this
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thank u bro 👊
huge guy, very deep inside look, one love ❤️
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Super helpful Dave. The insight about not linking guitars is brilliant. Thanks a million! BTW Love the Giraffe painting.
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This was very helpful. I just realized my linked subgroup settings was triggering compression on a panned vocal sub group unnecessarily. Super helpful. Thank you !
Awesome!!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge brother.
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Very helpful Dave! Thank you!
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Thank you so much dave!!
Much love.
Awesome!
Found it very useful. Thanks Dave!
Awesome and thank you!
Amazing breakdown, very efficient for studio mixing as well.
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Really good - thanks
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Thanks. That was amazingly distilled wisdom.
Awesome thank you!
Super interesting and helpful, thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts 👏
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Lovely stuff!! Thanks for sharing.
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As someone trying to learn mixing tracks in a DAW, this is such an eyeopener and a really useful reminder of the realities I am trying to reflect in a digital space. Thank you.
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This was amazing - thanks for the lesson!
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Thanks Dave
Just tried that, awesome!! You da man.🎉👏🏾👊🏾
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Wow, thanks for sharing your knowledge, Dave!
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That was really really informative. Thanks!
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I've learned a lot from you. Thanks Dave!
Thank you!
That’s awesome content 🤜🏻 much appreciate the knowledge gained from watching this
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@@DaveRat been following your channel for about a few months now, so much I’ve learnt. A lot of material to still catch up on 🤜🏻 #Respect#Best Regards from the other side of the world - Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬 🙌🏼
Awesome and thank you Ania!
Thanks Dave! Learning how to do it bigger and this helps
Excellent !!!
Dave, you hit it all right on the nail! Just did a major reset of an audio system and the principles that you share are almost exactly on what I strive for in a mix.
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Hey man! That was cool! Thanks
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This makes totally sense! And it's kind of a loundness levels automation. Great work, Dave! :)
Great info. Makes so much sense. Thx
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Great management.. thanks
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That was excellent. Thank you.
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Fantastic! Thank you.
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Fire Sir!!! Thx
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So inspiring and very helpfull
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Great video. Thank you for the information.
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That was wonderful, thank you. :) P.S. Loved the London show the other week!
Well, I stopped touring a while back and glad ya like the vid
That VCA trick - amazing!
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I don't normally comment but had to on this one. Been setting up my mixes just like this for 35+ years. Minus all the stereo imaging. Ever since I got my first compressor. Didn't have enough compressors for each vocal or instrument so the solution was subgroups. Over time, it evolved into an "auto mix" method.
Same with the DCA's. Most don't understand or think about the difference of a DCA on a channel vs a DCA on the group (in regards to group compression). Great video Dave. It's like getting a validation.
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Thanks Dave! 👍🏻
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Gold! Thank you.
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This is brilliant, I’ll be using this strategy
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I’m not even a sound guy but I still love this channel. Thanks for sharing your wisdom, Dave
Thank you Brandon!
This is so brilliant.
Thank you Aaron!
@@DaveRat Watching this again, you mention putting your instrument group compressors at "0" threshold and then "+4" for your vocals. Most compressors I work with start at "0" and you decreased the threshold. How would that work? Would I decrease all the instrument groups to "-4" and have the vocals at "0"? What about makeup gain? Sorry for the confusion.
Yes, setting the threshold 3 to 5db higher for vocals than the rest of the channels will help the vocals sit on top
This man just giving out free knowledge and wisdom 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
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I mostly produce electronic music but this still has been very insightful! Thanks for sharing!
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i love that you said "one of the secrets" i wanna hear them all!!
i'd love to see a video on how u use the attack/release time on those group comps :)
I started trying to apply the mix strategy to an X32 and it's a learning curve but got working ok. The attack and release times vary depending on the compressor used. I will try an do a video on how to determine the attack and release times.
@@DaveRat it would be really great for me at this time, im getting back to work after these years of pandemic, and i will get a Midas 32 as a work base.
Im now refreshing my knowledge, preparing my come back for the next weekend :) TY Dave!
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