Fantastic Luke! Thanks for sharing that - it's clearly been exceptionally well maintained and looked after over the years. I hope you had lots of great adventures in it - It's in such good condition that I'm considering keeping it for myself.
There is a lot of variability in what can be found on various different Westminsters'. In my opinion - regardless of trim level they are fantastic vehicles.
Thanks for the overview! Couple of pointers: - vogue could be optioned with heated/cooled seats (same as what you showed in the WM) - autobiography is the only one with full leather dash (incl around control panels) and door cards
Great video - thank you. Now subscribed too. The Westminster is a difficult one to pitch as it would depend on which Westminster. There were a few different sets during the L322 life. The one I have (and I think you mentioned as the one people see as the last L322) is a 62 plate 4.4TDV8. Mine was one of the final run in the 62-plate which was a 10th Anniversary Special Edition. I think there were only 250 made. These ones are pretty easy to spot (unless someone has been modifying!) as they had the 'Noble' exterior finish with 20" 10-spoke alloys. Inside, you already pointed out the carpet and pedal differences but you would also find heated and cooled seats in both the front and rear, glass black trim finishes, and the illuminated treadplates. If you get your hands on one of these, you won't be disappointed (...and no I'm not selling!)
you should notice that the autobiography models, got all leather door cards, with chrome speaker grill surrounds and a full leather dash, easily spotted with stitching on the centre vents panel. all other models got plastic, but with a leather top panel. the autobiography models mostly got rear reclining seats optioned too. see the extra buttons on rear door cards. westminster was a sort of mixture of vogue and vogue se. i retrofitted full autobiography interior to my westminster. inc headlining.
@@fullfat4x4 I really like the exterior colour on that, but prefer grey for the inside. Nearly all 322's seem to be specced with beige/sand/ivory for some reason - even with silver, which looks really odd.
Very informative. I'm currently making a video on a 2005-2009 L322 for my channel and I picked up some pointers here even though these are all 2010-2012 models. Thank you!
First time viewer, thanks for the informative video. I note the silver autobiography is a 2010 but does not have a "gear stick" but rather it benefits from the 'JL round gearknob' whereas, other specs in 2010 did not have the round gearknob. Do we know what year it changed in the vogue and vogue SE?
The 3.6 TDV8 had a “gear stick” and the 4.4 TDV8 has a “gear knob”. 2010 was the cut over year, however it’s not quite as simple as that; in 2009 JLR face lifted the L322 - it received a digital tft dash as well as new front and rear light units, and new stereo head. However the 4.4 TDV8 arrived in 2010. The earliest 4.4 TDV8s I’ve seen are on a ‘60 plate. However I’ve also seen some 3.6 TDV8s on a ‘10 plate and one on a ‘60 plate. TLDR: 4.4 TDV8 = gear knob. 3.6 TDV8 = gear stick. All 5.0SC = gear stick.
2010 was the change over year from the 3.6 TDV8 6-speed gear stick to the 4.4 TDV8 8-speed rotating knob. I think mine must have been one of the last 3.6's. It's a '10 plate 3.6 Vogue SE with the 6-speed gearstick.
My mate has a 57 plate 4.2 Super Charged Over Finch that has been tuned to nearly 500bhp and the interior is like a Bentley GT inside with amazing leather seats unlike my 3.0 Vouge lol.
Thanks, James. I do love a no gimmick comparison. I currently have a 2010 TDV8 Vogue courtesy of #5SpeedAutomotive in my possession for my Range Rover feature.
Great video really enjoyed it I have a late 2011 4.4 TDV8 vogue… it has cooled front seats,electric side steps and the factory exterior pack I take it they all would of been factory options fitted to the car? Ah also has rear privacy glass
Hi John, yes heated and cooled seats was an option on the vogue - however as it was quite expensive - most people who wanted the cooled seats stepped up to a Vogue SE. The seats you have in your vogue will be the same type as those found in the Westminster. Like wise the factory exterior pack was an option that could be selected across the range.
There may be Westminster cars out there that have an alcantara headlining - but I've not seen one yet. Of the Westminsters' that have been in stock all have had the same headlining style as the Vogue/Vogue SE.
@@fullfat4x4 I'm in Germany and the Westminsters all seemed to have alcantara headliner, twelve-spoke wheels and the fancy grille when I was looking for mine but I ended up with a Vogue but I'm happy. Only ever saw one car with adaptive cc here so I guess it wasn't a popular option over here. Would have liked it. The video is very useful for comparing specs.
Hello James. This was very informative for me as I will be after an L322 soon. Do any of the trim levels have a speed limiter? As I find I use that more than I do cruise control. Thanks.
@@robinholmescnx the 3.6 and 4.4 TDV8 Vogue have one that sound a warning when you exceed the limit you have configured. It doesn't actually prevent the vehicle from exceeding the limit.
Hi Peter, Thanks for your message, I'm located close to Shipston-on-Stour. I currently have this Westminster available: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295620324219 get in touch if you'd like to have a look at it. Thanks, James.
The "Westminster" is code word in Land Rover speak for end of the line - use up as many of the left over parts as possible, note there was a westminister on a 59 plate as the 3.6 was rundown and pre facelift, there was also a Westminster P38 on an 02 plate, and laterly the L405 at the end of its production run featured a Westminster spec. I've seen L322 Westminster's with reclining rear seats, adaptive cruise and autobiography wheels. It's easy to get het up on "What is the highest spec" but the truth is even the Vogue has ample equipment - and would be my personal choice as I think they represent the best value.
It’s a good question, the answer is: it depends! There is no perfect Range Rover. Every variant has a known weakness - if you are thinking of buying one do your research. I’ll try and do a video talking about the know weaknesses across the models. But you do need to keep on top of maintenance - in the UK I suggest owners keep £1200 aside each year to cover maintenance. I’d also suggest doing oil changes every 5-6k miles. And addressing MOT advisories as they come up. If looking for a diesel, stick with the 3.6 TDV8 or 4.4 TDV8 - avoid the 3.0 TDV6 found in the Range Rover sport. You should expect a full size Range Rover to be as reliable as a BMW X5 of the same year - the data suggests that the full size Range Rover has just slightly more warranty claims each year compared to the X5.
You joke - but yes! I see quite a few customers passing up good history and clean Vogues as they are holding out for a Vogue SE AB or Westminster. The reality is the Vogue represents the best value trim level.
VN62 MXY used to be my car! Still looks in great condition.. I sold it with 58,000 miles on the clock
Fantastic Luke! Thanks for sharing that - it's clearly been exceptionally well maintained and looked after over the years. I hope you had lots of great adventures in it - It's in such good condition that I'm considering keeping it for myself.
Really helpful thank you.
I had always assumed the Westminster was higher spec, so good to know.
There is a lot of variability in what can be found on various different Westminsters'. In my opinion - regardless of trim level they are fantastic vehicles.
Same thoughts here, too. All in all a very instructive video.
Really useful comparison James, I personally didn’t know the subtle differences between the 4 trim levels, thank you for taking the time to make it 👍
Thanks for the overview! Couple of pointers:
- vogue could be optioned with heated/cooled seats (same as what you showed in the WM)
- autobiography is the only one with full leather dash (incl around control panels) and door cards
Great video - thank you. Now subscribed too.
The Westminster is a difficult one to pitch as it would depend on which Westminster. There were a few different sets during the L322 life. The one I have (and I think you mentioned as the one people see as the last L322) is a 62 plate 4.4TDV8. Mine was one of the final run in the 62-plate which was a 10th Anniversary Special Edition. I think there were only 250 made. These ones are pretty easy to spot (unless someone has been modifying!) as they had the 'Noble' exterior finish with 20" 10-spoke alloys. Inside, you already pointed out the carpet and pedal differences but you would also find heated and cooled seats in both the front and rear, glass black trim finishes, and the illuminated treadplates. If you get your hands on one of these, you won't be disappointed (...and no I'm not selling!)
you should notice that the autobiography models, got all leather door cards, with chrome speaker grill surrounds and a full leather dash, easily spotted with stitching on the centre vents panel. all other models got plastic, but with a leather top panel. the autobiography models mostly got rear reclining seats optioned too. see the extra buttons on rear door cards. westminster was a sort of mixture of vogue and vogue se. i retrofitted full autobiography interior to my westminster. inc headlining.
I'm normally a spec snob, but the Vogue seems to have everything I'd want. All the other models just add unnecassary stuff I wouldn't use.
Loved my l322 but just got an l405
Hope to be on same boat soon
Thank you. Love these LR322's
Thanks for the video very helpful. Trying to find one without privacy glass is difficult.
Have a look at my latest update video - I have a really smart autobiography in stock without privacy glass.
@@fullfat4x4 I really like the exterior colour on that, but prefer grey for the inside. Nearly all 322's seem to be specced with beige/sand/ivory for some reason - even with silver, which looks really odd.
Ah yes - Kingfisher Grey? Not a very common interior choice but they are out there. Good luck on the hunt. 👍
Thank you. i am looking to buy a L322 later this year so this video most helpful.
No worries Jim, give us a call if any of the current stock take your fancy.
I'm new to the idea of a RR and this explains spec perfectly.
Cheers for that
OV60 VBZ used to be mine... mad seeing it on TH-cam
That one is a lovely car - the Prussian blue maple finish is lovely. How long did you own it for?
@jamesg25 it was lovely to own, had it for about 3 years from 2012 I believe.
Brilliant well talked thru . Good info for buying .
Very informative. I'm currently making a video on a 2005-2009 L322 for my channel and I picked up some pointers here even though these are all 2010-2012 models. Thank you!
Watch this space - there is facelift 3.6 tdv8 VS 4.4 tdv8 video in the pipeline!
@@fullfat4x4 I'll keep an eye out for it.
just found your channel and enjoyed the video thank you
Thanks Richard, I plan to have more Range Rover content coming soon so do subscribe. All the best.
Fantastic video. This was definitely a gap and point of confusion. Would you say these details are pretty consistent across the world?
First time viewer, thanks for the informative video. I note the silver autobiography is a 2010 but does not have a "gear stick" but rather it benefits from the 'JL round gearknob' whereas, other specs in 2010 did not have the round gearknob. Do we know what year it changed in the vogue and vogue SE?
The 3.6 TDV8 had a “gear stick” and the 4.4 TDV8 has a “gear knob”. 2010 was the cut over year, however it’s not quite as simple as that; in 2009 JLR face lifted the L322 - it received a digital tft dash as well as new front and rear light units, and new stereo head. However the 4.4 TDV8 arrived in 2010. The earliest 4.4 TDV8s I’ve seen are on a ‘60 plate. However I’ve also seen some 3.6 TDV8s on a ‘10 plate and one on a ‘60 plate. TLDR: 4.4 TDV8 = gear knob. 3.6 TDV8 = gear stick. All 5.0SC = gear stick.
2010 was the change over year from the 3.6 TDV8 6-speed gear stick to the 4.4 TDV8 8-speed rotating knob.
I think mine must have been one of the last 3.6's. It's a '10 plate 3.6 Vogue SE with the 6-speed gearstick.
I have a Autobiography 4.4 tdv8 L322, it has 360 camera, adaptive cruise control etc but no cooled seats? Weird right?
Great videa, thank you
My mate has a 57 plate 4.2 Super Charged Over Finch that has been tuned to nearly 500bhp and the interior is like a Bentley GT inside with amazing leather seats unlike my 3.0 Vouge lol.
Are HSEs all earlier models than these? I've seen a couple of ~2007 L322s with HSE on the back
Galway in Ireland at least(where I assume the name is derived from) is pronounced "Gaul-way"
Duly noted! And yes - all the L322 colours have location inspired paint names, Baltic Blue, Ipanema Sand, Santorini Black, Orkney Grey, Zermatt Silver, Nara Bronze, Fuji White, Epsom Green, Buckingham Blue etc.
Just wondering: any differences in sound system?
Better sound system in the Autobiography, too.
Thanks, James. I do love a no gimmick comparison. I currently have a 2010 TDV8 Vogue courtesy of #5SpeedAutomotive in my possession for my Range Rover feature.
Great video really enjoyed it
I have a late 2011 4.4 TDV8 vogue… it has cooled front seats,electric side steps and the factory exterior pack
I take it they all would of been factory options fitted to the car?
Ah also has rear privacy glass
Hi John, yes heated and cooled seats was an option on the vogue - however as it was quite expensive - most people who wanted the cooled seats stepped up to a Vogue SE. The seats you have in your vogue will be the same type as those found in the Westminster. Like wise the factory exterior pack was an option that could be selected across the range.
Thanks mate for the info
Much appreciated
Very helpful, thank you 👍
Dual view screen, option on all models or standard on some?
In sure standard on autobiography
Option on the rest
Doesn’t the Westminster have an alcantara headliner?
There may be Westminster cars out there that have an alcantara headlining - but I've not seen one yet. Of the Westminsters' that have been in stock all have had the same headlining style as the Vogue/Vogue SE.
@@fullfat4x4 I'm in Germany and the Westminsters all seemed to have alcantara headliner, twelve-spoke wheels and the fancy grille when I was looking for mine but I ended up with a Vogue but I'm happy. Only ever saw one car with adaptive cc here so I guess it wasn't a popular option over here. Would have liked it. The video is very useful for comparing specs.
@@a100267 Everyday is a school day - I'll be looking through autotrader Germany later to see if I spot any other differences!
Hello James. This was very informative for me as I will be after an L322 soon.
Do any of the trim levels have a speed limiter? As I find I use that more than I do cruise control.
Thanks.
@@robinholmescnx the 3.6 and 4.4 TDV8 Vogue have one that sound a warning when you exceed the limit you have configured. It doesn't actually prevent the vehicle from exceeding the limit.
Very useful video. 👍
Interesting - I thought the Westminster was going to be the best spec but clearly not - thanks for the video
In my experience they are certainly the most desirable as they are the last of the L322's. Which some people argue is that last "real Range Rover".
Great video...
Where are you located as I am currently looking at buying an L322/405
Hi Peter, Thanks for your message, I'm located close to Shipston-on-Stour. I currently have this Westminster available: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295620324219
get in touch if you'd like to have a look at it.
Thanks, James.
6:40 @@fullfat4x4
Helpful thanks
Bought a 2012 Westminster a couple of years ago fantastic car disappointed to discover no cooled cubby box & no adaptive cruise
The "Westminster" is code word in Land Rover speak for end of the line - use up as many of the left over parts as possible, note there was a westminister on a 59 plate as the 3.6 was rundown and pre facelift, there was also a Westminster P38 on an 02 plate, and laterly the L405 at the end of its production run featured a Westminster spec. I've seen L322 Westminster's with reclining rear seats, adaptive cruise and autobiography wheels. It's easy to get het up on "What is the highest spec" but the truth is even the Vogue has ample equipment - and would be my personal choice as I think they represent the best value.
Unlike the same age sports i don’t think any L322 got a cooled centre box
Can anyone verify that for me
DANG! Wheres the gear shfit??
The round gear selector next to the cup holder - it's the ZF box
I love Range Rover since when I was a kid. But some guy says it's a trouble car,what do you say about the myth now that you used some of these Ranges
It’s a good question, the answer is: it depends! There is no perfect Range Rover. Every variant has a known weakness - if you are thinking of buying one do your research. I’ll try and do a video talking about the know weaknesses across the models. But you do need to keep on top of maintenance - in the UK I suggest owners keep £1200 aside each year to cover maintenance. I’d also suggest doing oil changes every 5-6k miles. And addressing MOT advisories as they come up. If looking for a diesel, stick with the 3.6 TDV8 or 4.4 TDV8 - avoid the 3.0 TDV6 found in the Range Rover sport. You should expect a full size Range Rover to be as reliable as a BMW X5 of the same year - the data suggests that the full size Range Rover has just slightly more warranty claims each year compared to the X5.
LED interior light upgrades needed on those motors. Makes a huge difference in making them feel a lot more modern.
Can you recommend a brand of LEDs? I’ve removed a few sets as they can flicker like a haunted house!
@@fullfat4x4 by ones with good heatsink. the heat makes them flicker
5.0 S/C Autobiography or bust... :)
Basically they are all the same.. ha.
You joke - but yes! I see quite a few customers passing up good history and clean Vogues as they are holding out for a Vogue SE AB or Westminster. The reality is the Vogue represents the best value trim level.