very well done bud 25 years here in resi and commercial. this id the best viedo i have seen in a real low headroom situation well done ...clap clap clap.cheers well done.
Dude you are a genius. I have an 89" ceiling and I thought I was not going to be able to do it. Found the super senaky brackets online. Come to Atlanta and put mine in! lol
I want to say thank you so much for this video! Afyer my husband and I worked at ot for like 10 hours lmao I came across this video! You saved us from having to return out door opener and possibly not having a door opener at all! Your concept worked perfectly and i cant thank you enough for thinking ouside the box! Awesome job! Awesome video! 5 stars
Love Grandfathers that just think it through and make it happen. Some rubbed off onto my dad and I think I got some of that wisdom as well. That's why I'm here. Totally new area for me, but, gotta get it done.
Ingenious! Clever! Brilliant! I am glad I came accross your video. I have same situation with my garage door, where the top pannel is mounted on a hinged wheel holder. Then the clearance is within 1/4'' like you. I was hoping to use a door opener, but could not figure how. Now I know how! Thanks for sharing!
This video was inspirational! I had to work a little further out of your box, but it worked amazingly. Thank you Grandfather for the hinge idea. It worked perfectly!!
I just received another "no" from a garage door professional because of low headroom, so this video gives me hope that I can electrify mine this summer myself. You really did a beautiful job!
Your video helped me out greatly in setting up my garage opener. I as well have low headroom in my garage. Your grandfather is a genius! Your explanations great!
This is awesome job Your grandpa is a good solving problems guy , he extended the steel lifting cables and extended the linkage with the door with a square bar , very professional done . I am mechanical Engineer and that is one of the job I consider " one of the kind job" to fix your garage door problem. Congratulations it was AWESOME
Good evening. I just wanted to comment and say this also is exactly what I needed. I really don't know whether I can accomplish this big project but it is great to see that it can be done. My other option is for Carriage swing doors that are on there now but I might give this a try. So once again thank you for this video. It is the most creative and detail how to video that I have ever seen. Have a blessed night!!!
I like the way you did that. I have a 7ft garage door with a 10ft ceiling and a lifted truck that wont fit. I'm in the process of raising the header to probably 9ft. Then use a jackshaft opener and 24 or 30 radius curves to have the door ride along the ceiling. Everyone tells me its not possible and its gonna be a waste of money to Mcguyver it together. I think buying the parts you need instead of a kit thats going to need to be modified will be cheaper.
Rite on bud this fixes my problem. Tell your grandfather thank you very much you should.patton this. I was installing a 16' wide door this was a garrage package and the company really didn't have a clue what they were doing. This is a great fix for this common problem
Thanks for making this video. I just installed a door opener today and ran into this issue and my dad found your video so we did what you did and works great. Well done.
Excellent video, thank you for this! Car-Wal in Ontario refuse to talk about this method, they just want to sell me an overpriced build-down system where i lose 9 inches of door clearance. Thankfully managed to find someone eventually that will install this way. Thanks to your grandfather too!
Oh my goodness, thank you so much for thinking of this and sharing it. My contractor got to the end of my garage project and broke the news to me that I would not be able to have an automatic garage door opener because there was not enough clearance .... Then my mom found your video. My contractor followed your instructions and it saved me from having to get out of my car with my two-year-old daughter inside EVERY time I go into or out of the garage... For our safety and convenience, thank you.
Thank your grandpa for me. Just did this for my Vietnam Vet uncle. He was told by local contractors he could not have his opener installed due to low clearance. He lives on an island in Lake Michigan. I visited him and installed it in a day, like yours. 👍👍👍
Thats a bad ass setup. Nice work. Definitely gave me some solutions to my problems. No where near as tight but I'm still hitting rafters with the new garage door since it's a single track.
Thanks. I need to do a far back set up, but I have rafters running parallel to the opener shaft. So I can use the space to put the rail up top. I have to go far back to clear a support beam and low hanging ductwork though. Thanks
Extremely slick. Now to go full spectrum on it. ;) Those exposed cables which are parallel to the ground could probably be run inside a conduit, maybe plastic, so when the spring breaks(they all break eventually) or even cable(although it takes both to break on torsion system) breaks, the cable would be somewhat contained from flying everywhere. BTW, I'm diggin' the triangulation on the spring anchor. ;)
Not only is it rear torsion, it also looks like a reversed torsion as well. Meaning, winding a righthand wound spring backwards. Only makes sense with the reversed torsion bottom brackets & the drums set on the outside of torsion tube. I've done quite the engineering to get doors in like this. Instead of a lengthy J arm extension, I've went up between the rafters with the rail, and only the motor sits flush at ceiling height Great build my friend
Wish I'd seen this sooner! Just got our "low headroom" garage door and rails delivered and the rails have 2 tracks on them?? Pretty sure the definition of "low headroom" for us was confused as an installer said "low headroom" kit will actually make the garage door final height when open LOWER and not higher up close to the ceiling like we wanted...Oh, and he thought it will cost us another $1k+ for new rails + $1k for the install?! Still working through what options we have w the existing double rail kit. We are not even doing an opener and he said the door will be heavier to open than a standard kit. What a mess. Thanks for the video though as it gives me a place to start now I know it is possible.
Yeah i made the same mistake, and got the 2 rail kit for low headroom. i ended up using them, but i just utilize the rounded track (lower one) and use the super sneaky brackets.
Awesome job! Could you have maybe mounted a jackshaft to the rear torsion? Your grandfather was a visionary type of fella I'm guessing. Ingenious idea. I seen something like that using 2 solid steel chain motor rails working in tandem.
Man it did help you not just helped me no you saved me seriously , thank you thank you so mush ❤️ , am from africa and i was thinking to start this business here in my country and i start geting informations aaaandddd look at youuu you gives me everything 😄❤️❤️
Sir! Wow! You just blew my mind! You're grandpa is awesome!Well done. It looks amazing! Any chance you can show me how you did the cables on the side that is mounted to the torsion bar?
Impressive! Facing this issue in the garage of the older home I recently purchased. Unfortunately, I don't have the skills needed to make this work and I'm sure if the garage door guy that said "no can do" has the ability to do it, he would triple his price. Maybe I'll look into more of a handyman type of contractor.
Thank you Jake. a very helpful video I have an identical garage and I'm encountering same headroom problem. I was about give up when I found your video. Can you tell me which super sneaky set you used in your install.
That’s impressive. I’ve never understood why a garage would ever be designed with such low headroom. That defeats the purpose of having a garage with the ability to use a garage door opener. All that being said, this is an ingenious solution to what seemed to be an impossible problem.
Thanks. I cant remember why a jackshaft opener wouldnt have worked for me, but im sure it wouldnt have worked in this situation because i remember thinking about it and then writing it off...
@@jakecrayne5120 Jackshaft opener are mounted on the shaft of the torsion spring. Since they need some lift low headroom tracks have a quick breakaway and small radius. Garage door folk say they work a bit jerky so your solution is great. Did you cut any of your vertical tracks?
Don't get me wrong. The use of Super Sneakys are a great idea to solve a low headroom problem However, it can cause another problem. That is, a small obstruction (child leg) under the door will maybe cause the opener to not reverse reliably. The top section panel (with the Super Sneakys installed) now has the "downward" back pressure very much reduced from the opener. The opener "pressure" or force is now mostly horizontal, folding the hinge up to close the top section. There is a area where the opener may not sense an obstruction correctly. Because the opener needs to sense the vertical back pressure from an obstruction the safety aspect is contravened. Beware Americans. Blessings from New Zealand
you are correct! this is a risk i am willing to take and haven't had an issue in the ~4 years i have had this system installed. but i am aware that the auto reverse feature is slightly handicapped so i am a bit more vigilant in double checking before i close the garage
Great job! Question. Why did you use a double track system when the upper track isn’t being used? Did the upper track not end up working? I need to do this but want to use regular track. Thanks!
Jake, I am like so many others - this is JUST what I need to shift from a single pc door. Your Grandfather is a terrific mech engineer. Is there a way to get some plans with specifics to replicate ??
This is a great video. Thanks so much! You would not believe the problems I am having with garage door installers saying it can't be done. The attitude with them seems to be if they weren't taught it in garage door school, it can't be done. All I need is a person with a brain, not a robot.
GREAT ! Same question... Did you cut your bottom rail. And did you add a pulley each side and chose a longer steel cable since you installed your torsion in the back. Thanks
He did not cut his bottom rail he purchased a low headroom rail kit and only used the lower of the two rails in the radius with a super sneaky set. Probably would have also worked with the standard low headroom fixture in the second track but maybe I'm wrong, every situation is different. If you bought standard rails you would have to cut them down to fit yes The cables will also need to be longer yes, and it does use pulleys in the corners yes
@@kylekageyama mine is exactly 106 inches (just under 9 feet). i guess it should be about the same length as the rail that comes with your opener. probably buy 10 feet to be safe and cut to length after the opener and the door linkage are installed
Jake Crayne thanks Jake, I ended up buying 10’ as it was slightly more then 50% the 20’ cost locally. It came out to around $20 for 10’ 1/8”. If I had bought less then 10’ they would have charged extra for cutting and cost would have been $30+. Once I setup the opener I measured and 9’ was about the max distance I could go, so I cut it to 9’ and drilled and mounted all the metal brackets. After some tinkering everything works nicely. Thanks again!
Rear torsion is smart. I have a low garage too. I think mine is the same height. Under house garage, ceiling is concrete. I'm thinking of trying the rear torsion setup with a genie 6170 side mount opener. I will try to install it on the ceiling. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. Thanks for the vid.
@@jakecrayne5120 just curious because I’ve never seen it done before, but could you mount the jack shaft horizontally along the ceiling? Or hang some wood/angle iron and brace it to install vertically?
@@chasegeissler4964 Yes, i definitely thought about doing this. i want to say i needed more clearance to be able to mount the jack shaft opener to the ceiling, but i love the idea of mounting it to the ceiling horizontally if it works in your situation. good luck!
There is a very good possibility that mounting it like that would cause the cables to jump of the cable drums. Unless the door can drop on its own, you may need some sort of pusher spring mounted in the top track just to give a push to get started. You have to also remember if your using outside cable hookup, the springs are wound in the opposite direction than standard hookup.
I looking to see if I can do this at my house. I went and measured my parents 7’ door and the top of the rail measured 91”. How is your less than 87”? Also looking at yours, it has two rails on top? Is that a low head room kit also?
Great video , Looks as though there has to be pressure on top panel in order for sneaky brackets to work ? So this can not be done on a manual opening garage door ?
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very well done bud 25 years here in resi and commercial. this id the best viedo i have seen in a real low headroom situation well done ...clap clap clap.cheers well done.
thank you very much
Dude you are a genius. I have an 89" ceiling and I thought I was not going to be able to do it. Found the super senaky brackets online. Come to Atlanta and put mine in! lol
Double low head room, rear mount torsion set up. I installed many of those over the years. I love your opener solution.
I want to say thank you so much for this video! Afyer my husband and I worked at ot for like 10 hours lmao I came across this video! You saved us from having to return out door opener and possibly not having a door opener at all! Your concept worked perfectly and i cant thank you enough for thinking ouside the box! Awesome job! Awesome video! 5 stars
Love Grandfathers that just think it through and make it happen. Some rubbed off onto my dad and I think I got some of that wisdom as well. That's why I'm here. Totally new area for me, but, gotta get it done.
I can't believe I found exactly what I needed to see. Really nice job man.
Ingenious! Clever! Brilliant! I am glad I came accross your video. I have same situation with my garage door, where the top pannel is mounted on a hinged wheel holder. Then the clearance is within 1/4'' like you. I was hoping to use a door opener, but could not figure how. Now I know how! Thanks for sharing!
This video was inspirational! I had to work a little further out of your box, but it worked amazingly. Thank you Grandfather for the hinge idea. It worked perfectly!!
I just received another "no" from a garage door professional because of low headroom, so this video gives me hope that I can electrify mine this summer myself. You really did a beautiful job!
you can do it! nothing that cant be handled with some common sense and determination
That's the most impressive setup I've ever seen.
Your video helped me out greatly in setting up my garage opener. I as well have low headroom in my garage. Your grandfather is a genius! Your explanations great!
This is awesome job Your grandpa is a good solving problems guy , he extended the steel lifting cables and extended the linkage with the door with a square bar , very professional done . I am mechanical Engineer and that is one of the job I consider " one of the kind job" to fix your garage door problem. Congratulations it was AWESOME
Good evening. I just wanted to comment and say this also is exactly what I needed. I really don't know whether I can accomplish this big project but it is great to see that it can be done. My other option is for Carriage swing doors that are on there now but I might give this a try. So once again thank you for this video. It is the most creative and detail how to video that I have ever seen. Have a blessed night!!!
I like the way you did that. I have a 7ft garage door with a 10ft ceiling and a lifted truck that wont fit. I'm in the process of raising the header to probably 9ft. Then use a jackshaft opener and 24 or 30 radius curves to have the door ride along the ceiling. Everyone tells me its not possible and its gonna be a waste of money to Mcguyver it together. I think buying the parts you need instead of a kit thats going to need to be modified will be cheaper.
Rite on bud this fixes my problem. Tell your grandfather thank you very much you should.patton this. I was installing a 16' wide door this was a garrage package and the company really didn't have a clue what they were doing. This is a great fix for this common problem
Thanks for making this video. I just installed a door opener today and ran into this issue and my dad found your video so we did what you did and works great. Well done.
im just glad it helped you out!
There’s always a way to make a garage door automatically open I love that idea as long as it works then we can enjoy using it 😁👍 very nicely done ✅
Excellent video, thank you for this! Car-Wal in Ontario refuse to talk about this method, they just want to sell me an overpriced build-down system where i lose 9 inches of door clearance. Thankfully managed to find someone eventually that will install this way. Thanks to your grandfather too!
awesome, glad this helped! my local garage door supplier was extremely unhelpful as well
Oh my goodness, thank you so much for thinking of this and sharing it. My contractor got to the end of my garage project and broke the news to me that I would not be able to have an automatic garage door opener because there was not enough clearance .... Then my mom found your video. My contractor followed your instructions and it saved me from having to get out of my car with my two-year-old daughter inside EVERY time I go into or out of the garage... For our safety and convenience, thank you.
so awesome to hear! great work. glad to help
Thank your grandpa for me. Just did this for my Vietnam Vet uncle. He was told by local contractors he could not have his opener installed due to low clearance. He lives on an island in Lake Michigan. I visited him and installed it in a day, like yours. 👍👍👍
Great job, buddy! That solution with the rail is ingenious.
Your grandfather sounds like a smart guy. I may have to use this idea. Thanks very much.
That’s the longest door arm I’ve ever seen lol
Thats a bad ass setup. Nice work. Definitely gave me some solutions to my problems. No where near as tight but I'm still hitting rafters with the new garage door since it's a single track.
Exactly what I needed to see after digging into 2 garage doors very similar. Thank you
Hi Jake, thanks for sharing I ran into the same issue today l, saw your video and I was relieved 😌
Props from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
That's a pretty sweet set up. I like how you placed the spring all the way at the back
Same exact situation I’m dealing with right now. Thank you for showing me the light.
Thanks. I need to do a far back set up, but I have rafters running parallel to the opener shaft. So I can use the space to put the rail up top. I have to go far back to clear a support beam and low hanging ductwork though. Thanks
I'm doing this this weekend! Shame on the garage door industry for not finding a solution to garage doors like this.
I love the whole install!
Seen lots of this because I have been doing doors for 22 years now.
Excellent!
I was thinking exactly what you did would work!! perfect now i can buy my garage door opener! thanks for sharing!
Well done. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Mind Blown! Wish i saw this a week ago..
Creative and well done, Jake!
Extremely slick. Now to go full spectrum on it. ;) Those exposed cables which are parallel to the ground could probably be run inside a conduit, maybe plastic, so when the spring breaks(they all break eventually) or even cable(although it takes both to break on torsion system) breaks, the cable would be somewhat contained from flying everywhere.
BTW, I'm diggin' the triangulation on the spring anchor. ;)
Amazing set up I never seen the drums moved way back interesting..
Very well done. Great work. I am about to do an install that isn't much different and this video helped me a lot. Thanks for posting.
Your grandpa is a very intelligent man
Thanks for the video. You solved my similar dilemma with an 8-foot door. 👍👍👍
so great to hear! keep up the good work
Just did this on a 15 wide x 10 foot tall door. It works great! Tanks for the the idea
Not only is it rear torsion, it also looks like a reversed torsion as well. Meaning, winding a righthand wound spring backwards. Only makes sense with the reversed torsion bottom brackets & the drums set on the outside of torsion tube. I've done quite the engineering to get doors in like this. Instead of a lengthy J arm extension, I've went up between the rafters with the rail, and only the motor sits flush at ceiling height
Great build my friend
Inside torsion for lh is what we do
Well, You have a great Grandad. I'm a grandad as well and I need to solve my problem (no Headroom) too. Thanks for the info.
Your grandfather is a genius!
Wish I'd seen this sooner! Just got our "low headroom" garage door and rails delivered and the rails have 2 tracks on them?? Pretty sure the definition of "low headroom" for us was confused as an installer said "low headroom" kit will actually make the garage door final height when open LOWER and not higher up close to the ceiling like we wanted...Oh, and he thought it will cost us another $1k+ for new rails + $1k for the install?!
Still working through what options we have w the existing double rail kit. We are not even doing an opener and he said the door will be heavier to open than a standard kit. What a mess. Thanks for the video though as it gives me a place to start now I know it is possible.
Yeah i made the same mistake, and got the 2 rail kit for low headroom. i ended up using them, but i just utilize the rounded track (lower one) and use the super sneaky brackets.
That is pretty slick nice job
Awesome job! Could you have maybe mounted a jackshaft to the rear torsion?
Your grandfather was a visionary type of fella I'm guessing. Ingenious idea. I seen something like that using 2 solid steel chain motor rails working in tandem.
awesome video! so little info out there on setups with under 4" of headroom. American ingenuity at its best!
Its actually not a torsion bar but we get the point, fantastic solution so cherish that grandpa.
Man it did help you not just helped me no you saved me seriously , thank you thank you so mush ❤️ , am from africa and i was thinking to start this business here in my country and i start geting informations aaaandddd look at youuu you gives me everything 😄❤️❤️
That’s awesome very clever 👍🏽
Helped me Thanks to you and Grandpa!
This helped very much thank you!
Sir! Wow! You just blew my mind! You're grandpa is awesome!Well done. It looks amazing! Any chance you can show me how you did the cables on the side that is mounted to the torsion bar?
Thank you great job very helpful.
Nice job!
Rear torsion, very fun!!!
Old school problem solving. I like it.
This is exactly what I needed
That's a great idea. Thank you
Great job bud 👍 👏
well this is going to help me so much thank you
Nice Work!!
Wow good job man.
Simply AMAZING!!!
Very clever!
Thansk for sharing, super inspiring!
Well done!
Well done, everyone is telling me it can’t be done
Nice job.
Very good job
Impressive! Facing this issue in the garage of the older home I recently purchased. Unfortunately, I don't have the skills needed to make this work and I'm sure if the garage door guy that said "no can do" has the ability to do it, he would triple his price. Maybe I'll look into more of a handyman type of contractor.
That is tier 1 level awesome 👍
this video solved my problem thanks
That's slick
It does help someone - that's me - thank you
I agree. Genius. Well done.
Clever idea
and he got this door in with in 3 inch's very impressive.for a 7 foot high door.
Thank you Jake. a very helpful video I have an identical garage and I'm encountering same headroom problem. I was about give up when I found your video. Can you tell me which super sneaky set you used in your install.
www.supersneaky.com/product/super-sneaky-ss-low-overhead-garage-door-hinges/
they were just under $60
That’s impressive. I’ve never understood why a garage would ever be designed with such low headroom. That defeats the purpose of having a garage with the ability to use a garage door opener. All that being said, this is an ingenious solution to what seemed to be an impossible problem.
Thanks. I cant remember why a jackshaft opener wouldnt have worked for me, but im sure it wouldnt have worked in this situation because i remember thinking about it and then writing it off...
@@jakecrayne5120 Jackshaft opener are mounted on the shaft of the torsion spring. Since they need some lift low headroom tracks have a quick breakaway and small radius. Garage door folk say they work a bit jerky so your solution is great. Did you cut any of your vertical tracks?
thanks grampa!
Really cool. I have the same problem. My rafters at 87 inches also. Did you cut the bottom vertical track where the wheel goes?
Don't get me wrong. The use of Super Sneakys are a great idea to solve a low headroom problem However, it can cause another problem.
That is, a small obstruction (child leg) under the door will maybe cause the opener to not reverse reliably.
The top section panel (with the Super Sneakys installed) now has the "downward" back pressure very much reduced from the opener. The opener "pressure" or force is now mostly horizontal, folding the hinge up to close the top section. There is a area where the opener may not sense an obstruction correctly.
Because the opener needs to sense the vertical back pressure from an obstruction the safety aspect is contravened. Beware Americans.
Blessings from New Zealand
you are correct! this is a risk i am willing to take and haven't had an issue in the ~4 years i have had this system installed. but i am aware that the auto reverse feature is slightly handicapped so i am a bit more vigilant in double checking before i close the garage
@@jakecrayne5120 Thanks Jake. You are a good guy with a great Grandad
Very clever
Great job! Question. Why did you use a double track system when the upper track isn’t being used? Did the upper track not end up working? I need to do this but want to use regular track. Thanks!
Jake, I am like so many others - this is JUST what I need to shift from a single pc door. Your Grandfather is a terrific mech engineer. Is there a way to get some plans with specifics to replicate ??
Thank you.
How did you install the torsion bar in the back. Is there special bracket for that if so were can I get them at
Ya man"! Totally helpful
Thank you
So Jake, when you gonna make a kit for us no-so-savvy DIYers and make yourself a cool million or more? Very nice solution.
you might be onto something Larry!
This is a great video. Thanks so much! You would not believe the problems I am having with garage door installers saying it can't be done. The attitude with them seems to be if they weren't taught it in garage door school, it can't be done. All I need is a person with a brain, not a robot.
Ha ha ha ha ha
GREAT ! Same question... Did you cut your bottom rail. And did you add a pulley each side and chose a longer steel cable since you installed your torsion in the back. Thanks
He did not cut his bottom rail he purchased a low headroom rail kit and only used the lower of the two rails in the radius with a super sneaky set. Probably would have also worked with the standard low headroom fixture in the second track but maybe I'm wrong, every situation is different. If you bought standard rails you would have to cut them down to fit yes
The cables will also need to be longer yes, and it does use pulleys in the corners yes
Amazing
Very nice idea, I have 88”. Now I need some metal.
What’s the length of the steel bar? I imagine about 7’ is minimum?
@@kylekageyama mine is exactly 106 inches (just under 9 feet). i guess it should be about the same length as the rail that comes with your opener. probably buy 10 feet to be safe and cut to length after the opener and the door linkage are installed
Jake Crayne thanks Jake, I ended up buying 10’ as it was slightly more then 50% the 20’ cost locally. It came out to around $20 for 10’ 1/8”. If I had bought less then 10’ they would have charged extra for cutting and cost would have been $30+. Once I setup the opener I measured and 9’ was about the max distance I could go, so I cut it to 9’ and drilled and mounted all the metal brackets. After some tinkering everything works nicely. Thanks again!
Rear torsion is smart. I have a low garage too. I think mine is the same height. Under house garage, ceiling is concrete. I'm thinking of trying the rear torsion setup with a genie 6170 side mount opener. I will try to install it on the ceiling. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. Thanks for the vid.
sounds great. yeah i dont remember why i didnt do a jack shaft (side mount) opener...that should work well with rear torsion. good luck!
@@jakecrayne5120 just curious because I’ve never seen it done before, but could you mount the jack shaft horizontally along the ceiling? Or hang some wood/angle iron and brace it to install vertically?
@@chasegeissler4964 Yes, i definitely thought about doing this. i want to say i needed more clearance to be able to mount the jack shaft opener to the ceiling, but i love the idea of mounting it to the ceiling horizontally if it works in your situation. good luck!
There is a very good possibility that mounting it like that would cause the cables to jump of the cable drums. Unless the door can drop on its own, you may need some sort of pusher spring mounted in the top track just to give a push to get started. You have to also remember if your using outside cable hookup, the springs are wound in the opposite direction than standard hookup.
I looking to see if I can do this at my house. I went and measured my parents 7’ door and the top of the rail measured 91”. How is your less than 87”? Also looking at yours, it has two rails on top? Is that a low head room kit also?
Great video , Looks as though there has to be pressure on top panel in order for sneaky brackets to work ? So this can not be done on a manual opening garage door ?
correct. it has constant pressure against it when it is closed due to the motor
Genius 😊
Freaking Awesome