Was Chainsaw Man A FLOP??
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There was an annoucement a few weeks back. Apparently Mappa considers Chainsaw Man an "underwhelming success". In other words, it did less well than they expected it but it returned it's entire investment. Since it's pretty much a passion project, there will definitely be a season 2.
I don't think passion projects are typically met with so much dislike from core manga fans on both sides of the globe for changing so much
@@Valanway I think passion projects are projects made out of passion. They are not a project approved by manga fans.
@@Valanway yes they do. Fans notoriously hate when their favorite franchise are given to a visionary director. Look at Urusei Yastura movie 2 and George Lucas.
@@Valanway I don't think you know what passion project means.
@@Valanway What did they change? Have you even read the manga? The anime was super faithful to the manga, it's just the style wasn't really 'anime' like
To answer the title:
No, it was not a flop. The CEO of MAPPA has confirmed it was a financial success. However, he went on to say it did not perform as well as they had expected. MAPPA was obviously hoping for it to reach the same popularity as JJK, but it failed to do so.
That does not mean we're not getting a second season. It made money, and more importantly, the series is 100% funded by MAPPA. There is a thing called sunk cost. MAPPA has invested a lot into the series so far, and even if it didn't make as big of a profit as they'd hoped, it wouldn't make financial sense to drop the IP entirely. Instead, they'll likely make changes to the direction/style in season 2 in an effort to address the complaints and boost popularity.
The thing about sunk costs is they're gone you cannot get them back and any decision moving forward is completely separate from the previous expenditure. If it is not worth spending the extra money to continue the series then it doesn't matter how much they spent previously
Its not about popularity, its about Blu ray
Jjk sold 25000~ blu ray and Csm only 1700
But Vinland sold 700, AoT selling 3000 per season from season 2, MobPsycho2 sold 1000
Yeah japanese weebs hate dark reality and love goofy fights and Moe shit like Bocchi
@@kenmaru777 popularity absolutely matters when streaming rights get involved. CSM was one of the biggest streaming successes last year and will go for an EXTREMELY heavy p[ricetag for season two. Also CSM sold 1700 its first week in japan as far as bluerays not total . People need to calm down
@@kenmaru777 "Yeah japanese weebs hate dark reality and love goofy fights and Moe shit like Bocchi" yeah, I don't like moe blob
@@kenmaru777 "Yeah japanese weebs hate dark reality and love goofy fights and Moe shit like Bocchi" no, if that were the reason, manga would not be popular in the first place.
It is the anime that failed. The animation is beautiful, but it failed to capture well the chaotic aspects of CSM.
Every time a popular anime doesn’t get a second season, it’s because it was sacrificed to an eldritch god to create a new generic isekai adaptation.
Just wait until an Isekai titled "Another world with my mothers panties" arrive 😂
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"Reincarnated as my age-ressed loli mother's magical panties as we fight against the demon king who looks like my step-dad in what is supposed to be a very convoluted Freudian metaphorical excuse for fanservice?!"
Or they realized these trash mainstream anime sucks
I have been waiting 2 year to hear about any announcements of talentless nana s2😢
@@rajnishukla3926That show needs a Season 2
Yeah I think 12 episodes hurt CSM a lot, it would've been much better to do 24 episodes so it's airing for longer which will keep discussions going and keep the hype up. Hopefully the wait for S2 is not long.
CSM is an awkward length to do 24 episodes. The 12 episodes we got covered about 1/3 of Part 1, so the entire story would fit pretty neatly into 36 episodes. They could do 24 episodes for season 2 and finish it, but I don't know how likely that is for a show that underperformed expectations.
@@silverbard5244lmao you could easily do 97 chapters in 24 episodes 😂😂😂😂. However mappa decided to do well.. To stretch the story. For no fucking reason. So no you are fucking wrong.
They could've covered the bomb devil and international assassination arc too in the later half, which i think could boost the popularity of anime quite significantly, as the first half (and that's season 1 btw) is nothing compared to the insanity of later arcs.
Ps.- Although the 12 ep length is also somehow understandable and a sweet spot for them, as the arcs in csm are pretty quick and short to adapt.... and if they would adapt 24 eps, then they won't have much content left in part 1 to adapt for another season (unless they use the strategy what ufotable did with demon slayer).
@@silverbard5244 The beginning of csm is kinda boring, if they adapted the bomb devil arc, it definitely would have had nearly similar popularity as jjk. i doubt it would be the same as jjk since its edgy and wouldnt reach as big as an audience as it
@@alialkuwari8385 If they did 24 episodes, that would have covered through to the end of International Assassins. I agree that covering that much would have definitely been a boon to popularity, but it would be a very big ask from a production perspective. Mappa was apparently struggling with their production schedule by the end of the 12 episodes they released.
More importantly, it would only leave about a cour's worth of material left to adapt. Following up a 2 cour season with a 1 cour season is very awkward. I can't think of an example of that release schedule off the top of my head.
It better get a season 2. Reze shows up and her arc is one of the best.
Bro, like all the arcs that happen past season 1 I would consider to be one of the best, I dont think Chainsaw Man has a single bad arc but everything after the eternity devil arc is amazing. I swear if they dont do a season 2 im going to cry, I need to see the insanity of the rest of part 1 get animated
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Bro, the whole darkness devil arc made me so uncomfortable but so excited - can't wait to get it animated in fucking 2 decades. lol..
same
its batshit insane
Best girl!
Lowkey would be fine if they made each arc into a movie instead of a season though, since mappa decided to with the whole cinematic approach already anyway
These are the 20 minutes where conner has displayed more intelligence then ever before in his life.
I'm with Connor, weekly updates are ultimately better. Anticipation builds, you feel like you're waiting for something great on a specific day, a reward after a shitty work day or something, something positive, and you KNOW will give you some joy. You feel more involved with the series emotionally and mentally, it is a much healthier model to follow than "release everything on day 1"
I agree. Compare the releases of Jojo part 5 and part 6.
Yeah weekly updates gives you something to look forward to especially when you have days when nothing's happening.
I agree that there's a good feeling, but I disagree it's ultimately better. It's down to preference, if your series was going to make an impact on you due to its quality, it doesn't matter if you watched it weekly or all together, in fact if anything it's more likely it's better to watch it all together so you can catch all the details easier and not forget things. A weekly watch may indeed enhance an otherwise boring show, but that ultimately means the show may just be a little boring that you have to space it out to not feel fatigued. That's fine, but it ultimately is not an indication of a show's quality more than it is how it's written and if it's written for weekly views or not. Which, the shows that fit that criteria the most, are non sequential shows that you don't need to watch every episode technically. Like Pokemon and Power Rangers. To clarify, I'm not saying one way is better than the other in terms of general enjoyment, I'm speaking purely on series that will impact you deeply, rather than how you'd rather space out your viewings.
Some comments mention Jojo, but it's quite honestly a terrible example, because not only is jojo pretty close to being written as a weekly show already, of which most short season shonen are not, jojo part 6 was just really badly paced in general.
Hell no. Just give me the series. Having to wait until the suits decided I could watch something was the worst part of traditional TV and killing that is the best thing about digital.
I've always preferred binging, plus since plenty of people also binge you still have people to talk to
Connors makes an actual good take and somehow hes the weird one of the 3?! 100% Jojo should have been weekly like it has always been
I know right? Felt like a weird alternate universe where Connor is the only right one but still gets pulverized for his takes. The "Why are you booing me? I'm right!" universe.
Also for real people enjoy watching 12 eps anime but no one enjoys talking about 12 episodes. it's there, and then it's gone.
That's because Garnt and Joey are anitubers. They don't behave like fans, who, you know, PARTICIPATE IN WEEKLY DISCUSSION. I usually agree with their opinions, but not this one. Weekly airing equals longevity, period.
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that was actually my main issue during corona i thought well i got nothing better to do so might aswell start Jojo after i caught up to jojo i had assumed i could watch it weekly and then the whole netflixs thing happend
Definitely, not being weekly absolutely killed the hype for me. Netflix released the episodes so randomly and when they released the final part of it I haven’t got around to watching it cause it was bit too many episodes and lost interest in it all together. Binge formula is absolutely terrible especially releasing it as different parts whereas weekly watch is far better and builds hype. Conner take was 100% correct.
Chainsaw man doesnt really lend itself to being as stretched out as jjk, but its quality speaks for itself. I think the part that kinda hurts it is that it was only 12 episodes and the second half of part 1 is the best part and puts it over the top in terms of "this is one of the best shounen mangas up there" so when we get that second season undoubtedly well be seeing it reach the heights of popularity
It only being a seasonal 12 episode show actually surprised me given how much hype I'd heard about the manga. I would have thought that given how popular the manga was it would have at least warranted a 25 episode show.
The thing is JJK sets it’s goal post immediately, explains the world, the monsters, and powers right off leaving everything onward to just be good story telling.
With CSM we don’t know why the devils are tangible, “from fear” but why. It’s take to now to maybe get the actual plot which I think it’s the apocalypse, but Denji wanting sex, and that’s the motivator is just meh. War could even replace him as the main character lol
Edgerunners got 12, and it was blood soaked masterpiece. Bleach got 13, and it literally eclipsed FMA, and all other anime lists everywhere for weeks, and weeks.
Bro chainsaw man will literally never reach the hype of jujutsu kaisen. I mean the first season of jujutsu kaisen also wasn't "special" still the most popular shonen ever.
@@KingOfDepravity the whole point of csm isn't just Denji wanting sex, it's more subtle(as subtle as csm can be). It's about him learning to be more human after living life as a dog basically. I mean his goals are basically to live comfortably. The goals are much better explored in the second half of the manga but we're not getting that animated for a while. Also the devils are easy to grasp, devils come from hell, the more we fear them the stronger they are. That's that.
I agree, CSM would not have benefitted from filling twice as many episodes with the same amount of story, but it would have benefitted massively from having the complete story (or a more complete one) fill that extra time.
Junko Enoshima is such a fun character, with a great design and is indeed pretty popular. Junko literally won the guinness record to the most popular game character for cosplay in 2017.
I watched an LP of Danganronpa, and Junko won me over IMMEDIATELY. :D Her performance was wonderful!
@Shorewall People like you makes me feel Despair for the future of the world
There is also a cannon reason for the cosplayers too. Junko and her sister in one of the spin off mangas ( not needed to read to enjoy the games; just extra background info) they literally influenced the world so much there was legit a cult of women following their example.
Junko set up a standard of villainy .
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I´d argue that the mastermind in V3 being a cosplayer specifically is in direct reference to the fact that she winning the guinness to the most popular character to cosplay in 2017.
Dropping an episode a week is the best for making a community of fans. You get to discuss each episode as they air, predict where they might go, etc. Dropping the whole series to binge not only makes getting spoiled easy, but it also leaves people with nothing to talk about except “is it getting a S2?” or “now we wait a year.”
Exactly. Waiting week to week for One Piece chapters may suck, but at least there's a lot of discussion.
Is it tho? I feel like 99% if people who watch a show dont go on forums to discuss about a show. Only a small minority does that. So whather you release it weekly or all st once it wont change the popularity of the show
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse that last 1% is a very vocal minority
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse whether it's released weekly or all at once has a huge impact even if 99% of people don't engage with discussing the show it keeps it more relevant for longer within the anime community as episodes air and gives the show more of a chance of breaking out of the community into the more casual anime audience
Isn't predicting what comes after the episode pointless when most anime is adapting pre existing work?
I have a hard time comprehending the hate for Chainsaw Man in Japan. CSM was praised in the west (except for a minority yelling about CG) but for some reason it seems that Japanese viewers saw it pretty negatively. From petitions to change the director and voice actors to complaints about it being too cinematic, I just don't get the complaints from the Japanese fans.
The manga fans loved the over the top-ness of the manga. Extremely fast pace and over the top facial expressions. The vividness shown on the book covers.
The anime director hated it and removed all of those aspects and created a show that all the scenes look gray and depressing. Everyone speaks too calmly. And the director doesn’t know how to interpret the scenes in the manga. For example, in the anime where denji and power ambushed kishibe, denji stupidly waited kishibe breaking all the spears before attacking. But in the manga, denji attacked Kishibe at the same time. The manga fans got pissed at these little flaws. When the devil hunters attacked the building to fight the sword man, the anime showed Kobeni before entering the building so the anime ruined the scene where kobeni saved aki which was suppose to be a surprise. These little changes for no reason were criticized by the manga fandom. And the future devil was suppose to be screaming like crazy while he was just humming quietly in the anime.
These are not my opinions. I saw these comments on Twitter. I personally liked the anime when I first saw it but it could be just because I didn’t read the manga first.
No one really does. There's a possibility that they weren't happy with some words the director said in some interviews but IMO, the biggest "issue" is that they didn't adapt the next arc (which is where the Manga blew up in popularity).
I think that it is more the manga fans who don't like the anime. And wouldn't you know, America screwed up the popularity of comics in the 50s
They're morons with no taste.
@@vonneumann6161 well I read the manga and loved it, and I actually enjoyed the anime adapted parts more, even tho I would appreciate a more colorful look
Although I do hate waiting a week for the next episode, I do really enjoy the community aspect of it, like everybody's going at the same pace and watching it together
Long-time Shouen fans liked CSM because it was so different, but at the end of the day, the typical Shouen format sells more, especially in Japan.
CSM is definitely the more boundary pushing nasty freak sibling to JJK. I get the vibe that JJK is going to continue being popular with general audiences but CSM feels like the type of thing that inspires creatives and we're going to feel it's impact and influence on new anime in the years to come.
Literally called a cult classic, small group of diehard fans.
@michaelpozharsky7920 it's not a small group. Csm is still popular
JJK is very nasty too but i like the feel of having 2 nasty shows to watch. One paranormal/power creeping abilities and a paranormal/gritty show.
That's seems to be happening already in the manga sphere. last year, one of the judges in Jump New World Manga Awards complained he is tired because there were too many Tatsuki Fujimoto inspired drama in the submitted manga for the competition.
CSM is way too violent and gory for a massive audience. For all the "similarities" between JJK and CSM, they are fundamentally different. The only thing "dark" about JJK is the theme, which isn't even really dark coz most shonens have similar themes. There really isn't much violence, and even the "violent" scenes don't really elicit much visceral reaction. CSM is way too visceral and gory, I couldn't personally watch beyond the first episode. Of course there's people who are fine with it, but at the end of the day I think there will always be more people willing to watch JJK than CSM.
Damn Connor hit the nail on the head. I think it boils down to Jujutsu Kaisen just being better suited for a general audience. Aka people who only watch anime like Naruto and FMA.
That's a major thing. Especially for shounen. Writers are forced to conform to certain standards to make them more marketable. This comes at the price of unique storytelling
@@Ash_Wen-li I mean I’m definitely more of the Naruto and FMA fan, which is why I preferred Jujutsu Kaisen. Not saying I didn’t like Chainsaw Man, but I still follow the JJK manga and fell off the Chainsaw Man Manga
Yeah actually people hated CSM for being like real life and movies lmao
They just love shitty stylish anime like mha, boruto, one piss
Its just fckn kids
@@Condor-gb1xp yeah if you prefer JJK manga over chainsaw man......idk what to tell you lol.....the csm manga is one of the best works of art (not just manga) that Ive read in the past 10 years or so, you're missing out.
@@mookiestewart3776I don’t know about one of the best works of art of all time. I doubt you’ve read a lot of classic novels
12 Episodes works for Slice of Life type shows generally, but for action-based shows or carefully written plots like Realist Hero it definitely needs more than 12 episodes
I think the twelve episode format is what made me an many people lose interest in shows like shield hero and seven deadly sins. They just took way to damn long to release every part
Yeah, it's ok if they're gonna make a 12 episode but it only work for 2nd season and beyond that. But for 1st season, it need a 24 episode most of the time
I think this was the biggest mistake the people behind the scenes made - I was 6 episodes in as an anime only, and nothing crazy really happened. I was so impressed by the animation, art style and direction that i picked up the manga and read it in a day and I knew right there that it's not going to meet the insane hype it's getting for just 12 episodes. The pacing is so fast after the katana devil arc, the story gets more depth, world gets way bigger and characters get more fleshed out and insane shit happens (have to say the art style in the manga is so gorgeous, i read the coloured edition and it was so good), if they just covered the next 2 (even 1 and a half arcs in the next 12 episodes), it would have easily gotten success on par with JJK.
I dont know dude, 12 episodes worked fine with both seasons of OPM, Mob Psycho . It is all about how the director and writers pace the stories in their already allocated contents. Nakayama is so inexperienced, he tried to do big things in his first directing gig.
@spaceboy.digital if you think the CG is bad then whatever.....but the anime is pretty successful in terms of financial, and i've seen much more financially flopped anime getting 2nd season. So the 2nd is much more likely to happen
I went to a con like 2 months ago, and like 50% of the cosplays were Genshin lol (only 30% were from seasonal/ currently popular anime, about 10% were from 90s anime, and the rest 10% were Vocaloid or some random American movie/series stuff)
This trend will continue dud to people just spending more time with games, thus more emotionally invested in them. The same happened with doujins (both adult and non adult)
Every time they talk about 12 episodes not being enough, I am reminded how MADOKA still has some of the best pacing for a series that used its 12 episodes to its fullest
I mean it's an anime original so naturally the pacing fits better.
Anime original. Cyberpunk Edgerunners was also great. These will be better fit for 12 episodes than an adaptation of a manga because they get to build the story around that many episodes.
It's not the same since Madoka wasn't adapted from a manga and the story isn't that long. You can even cut 3 episodes and be fine.
Completely agree with Connor after having watched AOT for the past decade, rewatching the series takes me right back to where I was in my life all those years ago and it's absolutely amazing to grow up with the characters
Honestly thought chainsaw man tried way to hard to attract a certain audience... The degen sex jokes and really trying to nail it into u that the world is dark and spooky. I think it tried way to hard to relate to teens that it killed itself with literally everyone else. Tried way to hard to be different where as dorohedoros weird world fit perfectly and they balanced everything right
This!
What? Since when the sex jokes are supposed to say that the world is dark? Chainsaw man have the most realistic depiction of teenagers I have seen in manga, I think it's great. Dorohedoro is amazing so is chainsaw man.
It makes sense JJK is more popular than Chainsaw Man. The main cast of the former are basically Naruto's Team 7 modernized, whereas Chainsaw Man is totally unique, a genre mold-breaker. It's so much easier to market something familiar.
Anime fans just wanna watch the same show with the same characters with slight changes every single time, people hate on stuff that is unique, that's why soo many CSM haters exist
Connor was spitting this entire clip. I don’t know if he’s ever gone 19 minutes straight without uttering some trash opinion but he did it
idk why it's trendy to hate on popular shows now, chainsaw man was very good and is incredibly popular, it will receive a season 2 and many more to come.
Yeah I don't get it either. I wish I could explain it or give an answer but I honestly don't get it.
The manga is better tho
I don't think most people are really hating on chainsaw man, I think perhaps it's more so that season 1 didn't have enough episodes to flesh it out. I've heard many good things about the manga and hopefully as they adapt more of it, the anime-only audience (myself included) will be see what makes chainsaw man so great.
@@JohnSmith-xf2fwJapan hated it though...
@@JohnSmith-xf2fwyou do know there's gunna be another season right? So your whole thing about the episode count makes no sense whatsoever.
God I HOPE Chainsaw Man continues to get an anime adaptation through this arc. I just finished the 11 volumes and I need to see some of it made into anime! LOVED IT! Also incredibly hyped for JJK season 2
As an Anime only, I think the reason for Chainsaw Man not being as successful as they hope is simply that it wasn't "hype" or flashy. I really enjoy the character and how the design feel very cinematic, but there is something about the action sequences or the climatic moment just doesn't feel memorable. Like don't get me wrong, the animation is great fluid, but the overall fight scenes direction just feel okay. Maybe beside the final fight on the train, there just not many thing I remember about the fights. Meanwhile almost every fights in JJK have something that I remember, while literally every fight from Demon Slayers nowadays got like tons of edits on social media lol
As an anime only too,I think the hornyness and the amount of hype made it a little underwhelming
Imo, the manga was never about the fights, but the stuff in-between, like they're meant to be short and were stretched out in the show. I guess it's had to advertise an anime called 'chainsaw man' without making it seem like an action show
@@Dorma_ yeah I ended up skimming through the manga after ward. The main point of the series is the character examination and plot twist while the fight just there to connect stuff together. That is definitely what make its unique but also clearly not gonna be for everyone who watching anime for the big entertaining hype moments or the cute colorful funny vibe. Unfortunately if you want to become mainstream those are the path you should take if u making an anime adaptations
I did not find any flaw in chainsaw man fights, I really think it was up there with JJK (sometimes better) in terms of great hand to hand combat and impacts of the punches felt very real. The biggest mistake they made was making only 12 episodes. Everything else - voice acting (both sub and dub) , animation, music, direction was top tier.
Nah I think it had the flashiness and the hype. I litterally only watched the damn anime because of word of mouth. Its problem is that it's incredibly forgetable if you have never read the manga. It's to short, to fast paced and you don't have time to get invested into characters because they are dying by episode 6. Had it gotten 24 episodes I think it would have been way more memorable. As someone who has never read the manga I can definitely feel why the manga is so hyped but the show hasn't given me anything yet to really fall into it the way JJK did.
I'm with Connor on the liking the weekly release. It forces you to sit with the story- like, the progression of mercury witch has been amazing. I don't think I would find it as impactful if I watched it all at once.
Facts
Allows you to stew on the latest development and think about how the character will move forward.
i mean everyone will wait for the season to end and binge it.
@sarcasticdragon8673 sure but the initial experience is still there. You have to sit on each episode as it's own thing and can discuss it with others upon coming out.
Not to mention it has a longer cultural mainstay. For 24 episode weekly anime that's half a year of a content vs the singular month of binging.
@@U.Inferno i mean its a double edge sword. it could make a show last for 24 weeks or people drop it after week one and kill it.
I can completely relate to Mr CDawg here. Me and 2 of my friends had been watching Vinland saga s2 together until episode 20. But then both of them had to be out 2 weeks for work so we decided to binge watch epi 21,22 and 23 this Monday week! It is true, you can't express the sheer joy you get when you can consume straight 69 mins of Mappa's animation and Peakland in one go.
Over time I have grown to love the weekly release schedule. For starters it gives u something to look forward each week and if you have many you can get excited about multiple days a week. Secondly if I try to binge nowadays I just never return if I don’t finish it In that one sitting or the backlog gets way to big.
It was a good watch but what ultimately ruined it for me was the massive CSM fandom preaching it to be the next thing that broke the internet, the 3rd coming of Jesus, etc. They themselves set the bar and expectations reaching the outer universe. I came in expecting god-like banger back to back episodes but that wasn't it, that was hard cope
I can relate to Connor so much. For me it was when watching re zero s1. Having to wait weekly, read some discussion about the last episode. That was great time
Everything gets multiple seasons these days, whether they deserve an adaptation or don't deserve a bad one. It wasn't a flop, it will come, just wait.
It's not about whether or not it's going to get a second season because we all know that it will. It's about whether the second season will carry the same cinematic direction as the first one, which mostly boils down to whether it will have the same director (Ryu Nakayama).
@@Ahmau_ It will. At least to an extent. If it were another studio I could imagine the animators upholding Nakayama's vision to the point where the director takes it on board, but considering it's MAPPA I doubt they'd have much input. Like I said, we can only wait and see.
no game no life
hell, smartphone of all things got another season and somehow I doubt a lot of people were clamoring for that so I agree, chainsaw man s2 will come
I agree with connor, weekly episode is better, the anticipation, the fact that when you think back you can have core memories entangled with an episode you watched and feel nostalgia as it brings you back to that very real time of your life. like I remember watching Shippuden fondly cus I watched it in like 2 years so it stuck more with me emotionally
Weekly anime is great. The excitement you feel having waited a week for something to be continued is amazing. Binging kinda sucks because you finish the last episode and think…”Oh. Oh. It’s over now.” :(
Weekly episodes are good for action-packed anime .. but for slice of life or FARMland saga is horrible
@surreal3321 I thought farmland saga was amazing weekly
I think the boys are totally right on chainsaw man’s popularity.
1. Way less anime content has been released than jujitsu kaisen
2. The mass appeal of the show is way lower. Chainsaw man is weird and experimental hence the release on jump plus.
I think overall the show hasn’t had time to cook and will never be as “easy” to consume as jujitsu which is much more straightforward to enjoy. Both shows are a lot of fun, I hope chainsaw doesn’t get cancelled for not being as marketable as jjk though.
Even tho I feel like season 1 had a good ending point (season starts with denji alone and hungry and ends with him laughing and eating a bunch with his two new friends), 12 episodes was just not enough for it to try to reach JJK popularity, I feel like the season ended just as people were super into the show. It obviously wouldn't have the same mass appeal as JJK, they're just too different, but I felt like EVERYONE was watching it, which makes me so sad to see it was only considered a "moderate success", the manga is one of my favorites and the last thing I want to see is a season 2 with considerable budget cuts (season 2 will need that budget lol).
The thought of a possible cancelation even being a discussion point really hurts, but I think there's no way it doesn't get a season 2.
News is the Chainsaw Man anime did not do well in Japan because a lot of the fans of the manga in Japan really disliked the anime adaptation. There were lots of complaints about it and Blu Ray sales ended up being mediocre.
Yeah like only 1000 clowns who wrote a shitty petition on changeorg lmao
No, this was a frequent misinfo. The BR sales posted were only from one store chain, but not MAPPA’s own online shop which had the same BRs but with added bonus goodies for no extra cost. As virtually all anime BR buyers in Japan are collectors at heart, this is where they were going to buy it. The sales from MAPPA’s site were never posted, so no we do not have actual numbers on the BR sales. No comment on the Japanese fanbase’s views on the anime, but I raise an eyebrow considering the most frequent complaint I heard from them was disliking the VAs purely because most weren’t well known, which is just a ridiculous view towards acting quality.
@@doctordoom85 It's not misinfo. We know what a lot of JP fans thought of the anime, because we can read their reviews. We also heard Mappa's CEO say they will try and make changes to target people who buy Blu Rays. If the Blu Ray sales were good, they wouldn't need to make changes to target people who buy them.
You are right that we don't know how many sales were on the Mappa store though, but even if it was 3x as many sales as we think the anime got, it'd still be pretty bad sales wise. (compared to expectations)
BR sales have been shite in general even for the most popular, beloved shows out there. People don't buy physical media like that for such a high price tag if they don't include some exclusive goodies that make it worthwhile for fans and collectors. Even in Japan, most would rather buy other official merch and just stream their favourite shows/movies. The anime committees need to finally fecking realise that we are in 2023 and this has been the growing trend for several years now, even without covid.
@@chainsaw8507 I’d recommend watching Otaku Spirit’s video on the topic. He explained pretty thoroughly why Chainsaw Man did not perform badly. I especially didn’t realize people were actually comparing the sales to Demon Slayer’s which is beyond stupid. Demon Slayer’s success was like Avengers Endgame level of success, using it for comparison to determine success of ANY other show is totally unfair. He also points out BR sales are becoming less relevant, streaming and international licensing is where the money is. Christ, MAPPA likely got a buttload of cash before the first episode even aired by how much Crunchyroll must have thrown at them for the streaming rights. Especially as this was a rare instance of an anime being hyped up FAR before its release, even Demon Slayer didn’t have anywhere close to that much pre-hype.
I agree with Connor, I prefer watching weekly over binge watching.
I think it widely varies depending on the show. Watching AoT weekly for example was amazing, and it works better in that format because of the plot twists and cliff hangers which give you time to think about what just happened. On the other hand, something like One Piece is SO MUCH better binged imo. After I had caught up with it, it felt so incredibly slow to watch week to week and build ups felt less impactful because of how dragged the pacing is. Just two examples of many.
I like waiting till the season is out and watching 1/2 episodes a day. That way I enjoy it the most!
@@BboyEasySteps shows like that are also better binged since you can skip filler arcs if you like
I strongly agree with connor about watching weekly because I used to binge shows after they had all their episode's released and it just wasn't as convenient, in terms of time spent watching anime per week, when compared to the weekly release model. Also when I binge a whole load of episodes in one go, I feel like I can't appreciate each episode as well as watching a single episode instead although I may be able to appreciate the overall narrative better which is how it is for me with manga chapters.
13:50 the way Garnt responded to Connor made me spit out my drink all over my laptop xD
Agreed with Connor, I do really enjoy that feeling of watching a show as it comes out, that feeling of something to look forward to, and it does feel nice to reflect on it as it comes out
Let’s appreciate how good cyberpunk edgerunners was in just 10 episodes
The writing was paced great by the team and least we forget this is CD Projekt Red's writing team they made the Glorious Witcher 3.
mind you the story was built around those 10 episodes to be a complete one
you can't really do that with an adaptation ( especially one with an ongoing story with continuous buildup and setup )
@@zorandire3946 cyberpunk isn't realy orginal it's based on mike podsmith. And Mike podsmith was involved at cyberpunk edgerunners to.
@@zorandire3946 and what? Those writers literally just adapted the books to the games. And not even well errdin and the wild hunt shucked ass.
@@tomgu2285 never said it was original, just said that their writing team was great be it original or not and yeah does being an adaptation of the Witcher book warrant them to not be as great, At least to me I don't think so.
My biggest problem is that it was to short . I did the worst arc in the series then ended it . If it had did the bomb girl arc then it would have been massive but it didn't
yeah, and people shit on it because they have only seen that one part that got animated and Chainsaw man didn't really had a chance
in terms of 12 or 24 ep, it really depends on how the pacing and wrld building is in the source material. take HP as an example, the 13 ep first season workes perfectly for it imo, but CSM needed a 24 cuz with these 12 eps its like you just get to know the world and then there is nothing. btw Im read CSM manga and its briliant, you guys out there plz wait patiently for the 2nd season and maybe a movie. it will be a banger
Connor is spitting fax. Weekly anime makes life better and gives you time to reflect and digest. If its a good enough show, ill rewatch last weeks episode and rejuvenate the hype before the new one.
The biggest problem was the 12 episodes. They cut it just went the the history was about to explote
14:50 I've grown up with spawn. Issue 1 was in my room when I got home from hospital. I've taken breaks, but have pretty much read it my whole life. When I see certain covers or even characters from before come back into the story, it triggers memories from that time. What store I got it in, who I was with, where I was in my life. I can relate to the "journey," people take with comics
Missing episodes because I’m too busy at times is my favorite. I got really busy during Hell’s Paradise the last 3 weeks and had 3 new episodes to watch with a new one coming out the next day. It was bliss.
Another big thing about JJK hype, is that Chainsawman was on a very long break in between parts. JJK has been having weekly chapters with small breaks, which will keep an audience entertained. It also doesn't hurt that both mangas are very very good.
I love JJK but chainsaw man I couldn’t sit through. I feel like if I was still in high school or something chainsaw man would work for me but I’m an adult I can’t watch a dude struggle to touch a boob
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It kind of depends on how good the show is whether I like weekly or not. I can tell you when Summertime Rendering came out, I was frothing at the mouth damn near crying because I wanted the next episode so bad. I needed that immediate hit. I wish I had just waited to binge it all
13:26 I completely agree with Connor!! It’s crazy but that’s why Naruto has such a big place in my heart because I watched it as an new episode came out every week!! I love watching anime this way and it feels just as sentimental as Connor described it! I was in like 2nd grade when Shippuden came out and I kept up with it until the final movie!
I think I liked CSM more than JJK tbh. In JJK there were tons of fights of characters I didn't really care about, whereas with CSM we get to know the characters more. For example, I felt sad for Himeno's death even though she'd little screen time.
Same and quite honestly manga wise to me it's better. Do much more gritty violence and dark but it's immersive
I kind of felt the reverse oddly enough
JJk characters and story is laughably bad but kids like shounen so it was ofc more popular. I genuinely dont understand how can someone watch through that show at normal speed, i had to watch that show in 2x and even then i skipped those fight scenes because they were so damm uninteresting
@@mum-your CSM is also Shonen
@@mum-your If you'd to force yourself to watch JJK maybe it just wasn't for you. Doesn't necessarily mean the series is bad. I enjoyed it but I think it has issues with the character writing. For example, when the bullied kid died, I didn't feel anything bc we barely knew him.
Chainsaw Man was really divisive between manga and anime fans. Anime only fans in Japan thought it was pretty good, and manga fans did not like the adaptation. It was very similar in the west as well, but more positive with anime only fans loving it, and western manga fans being split down the middle with some loving it and others thinking it’s a mediocre adaptation.
Are you guys aren’t aware of the divisiveness of the adaptation?
Insanely divisive, to be honest, especially with all the director(s) stuff. It's like a diet version of the Berserk adaption problem. Similar situation with it being 3D, too, which just doesn't capture the feel and style of the source material. I personally side with the anime adaption being pretty shit and losing all tone, vibes and "nuance" compared to the manga (and it adding its own flair and "nuance" to try and make it seem more deep and introspective didn't help and just made it seem like they wanted to make something else)
I really cant understand who coule dislike the adaptation. It was just perfect, in every sense. I can accept that it was different from the general anime direction and art, but that makes it even better.
I dont know how people want the same shit again and again. Im a bit pissed by this because i really want the series to go well and get as soon as possible the second and latter seasons.
@@Valanwaywtf are u saying, its like we have seen completely different shows.
@@alfonso2044 yeah, it’s different, but a difference in appeal. Just because something is high quality doesn’t necessarily mean it will appeal to people, especially if it takes away something they love about the original.
@@alfonso2044Because not a lot of people are contrarions?Most people want their adaptation to be the same as the thing their adapting,duh?
I enjoy the weekly model. It helps me keep up with a lot of shows especially if they're spread throughout the week. Most seasons a lot of shows get updated on the weekends it gets overwhelming to keep up with all of them.
As for the whole reflecting back on the journey, I'm with Connor there. Some of my favorite shows I've enjoyed when watching it as each episode comes out. Most shows I binged don't have much of an impact since I don't take the time to sink in what I experienced.
Connors Take on the weekly Release schedule as you grow older and work a regular 9-5 type job hits home. Vinland releasing on Mondays gives you something to look forward to getting off work and decompress, same thing with weekend released anime.
I’ve read the Manga for both CSM and JJK and they’re both bangers. Overall I prefer Jujutsu Kaisen slightly more, but that’s mostly because of the plethora of interesting characters and its refreshing Power System.
JJK = 9.5/10 CSM = 9/10
i like following a show's weekly release, i think it helps with the lasting impression a show has, i will re watch the previous weeks episode or two the day a new episode airs to help refresh with what's going on and see if i missed anything, i think you miss a lot of the impact and don't remember details when you can binge through something fast, i find this most telling with names of characters, usually even if when i really liked a show if i binged it i forget character names much faster then if i watched it on weekly, but maybe that's just me, maybe I'm the only one that re watches episodes like that lol
CSM is one of the anime I think people should try watching it weekly cause the ED songs are bangers and one will have a whole week to replay and listen to the song. As to when binging it, the EDs get glossed over imo.
I’m with Connor. One of the best parts of watching an anime is reading commentary (and talking about) the details of the weekly episode. You could not do the same when it comes out at 1 time since you can’t guarantee where everyone is at
I mean that is like only argument for it and I understand it but to me it only stands true for like anime originals. I always watch everything then discuss since quality of discussion is way higher in general.
I went on my honeymoon and when I got back I had three episodes of Vinland Saga to catch up on. I can completely relate to the feeling Connor describes at 15:53.
I remember watching some videos about CSM and I remember some people were calling it terrible because of the CGI. Guess people still had ptsd from Beserk and were like "oh no its got CGI and I won't watch it anymore".
People need to get over that and when CGI is done well it in my opinion adds to the experience. For me the odd ganky moment of bad CGI can be looked over if I'm enjoying the anime over all.
The scene from Jujutsu Kaisen I rewatch all the time is the trios last fight against the curse brothers and the Third special rank.
Fuck... That fight pure adrenaline.
I do agree with Connor that weekly shows are better. With how busy life is getting I don't have time to sit down for 5 hours in a day or 2 and finish watching something. However I can take out 20-30 minutes to watch an episode. This also helps in making each episode feel more important because you remember each one distinctively as you're not watching everything at once. It also works out if there are 3 or 4 shows I'm watching, becuase I have 7 days to catch up and I can take out 30 minutes each day to watch a specific one.
The shows i watch weekly stick in my mind way more than the shows i binge. If i watch a show weekly i have time to process all the information and reflect on what happened each episode. but most of the time, when i binge a show. Im not going to remember half of what happened a month after i finished it.
Im actually curious about how Japan is going to react to JJK S2. S2 is VASTLY superior to S1 and breaks the mold a lot. However, after seeing the response to CSM, certain things that happen in S2 might drive off the casual Japanese audience they are marketing to. They might be invested enough to stick around at this point, but i could see some pushback.
JJK is just pure fun, everything about is just in tune so viewer has great time. All characters are likable, temp and story is going ham. From episode 1 to 24 it is just pumping. CSM was different type of show because we as first time having encounter with it is very weird to say the least. Half time we just wondering what the fuck is going on and characters are so alien and unexplainable. And I liked a lot because of it.
That is also why I do agree that 12 episodes weren't enough since we didn't have enough time to make more sense of it, it is basically just an intro.
I agree with Connor. Waiting week to week to watch Vinland Saga made me appreciate, analyze, and reflect on the story even more. In a weird way it got me through each week.
Can’t wait to watch it all over again. But I definitely prefer the weekly episode releases.
Closet cosplays are why they are often so popular like every girl I knew cosplayed Futaba and mentioned that they had the outfit pretty much in their closet already. It really leans into it
CSM failed in japan more because of cultural differences and apparently japanese fans really despiced the anime adaptation. Let me throw some bulletpoints in order to add some context to the anime's failure:
- The adaptation is less messy than the manga and has too many quiet calm scenes.
- The director felt very inspired by Tarantino and japanese fans don't like that direction.
- Characters like Himeno and Kobeni were hated specially the first by Aki fangirls specially because although she wasa mess, Aki felt something for her too.
- One if not the most important was casting Tomori Kusunoki as Makima, fans claimed her voice wasn't what the wanted for the character and that her was still an amateur in the VA industry
I still believe the anime has a chance but only if the focus on the western market because the japanese asked for a whole new adaptation or to at least fire the current director.
I don't think that Japanese fans hate Tarantino
I had no idea that was the case
I literally went and bought every volume of the manga when S1 ended and I've never done that for an anime before. CSM was fucking amazing.
It's honestly so overrated, I doubt it would get a season 3😅
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Blue lock was the best weekly experience ever. Literally every episode was hype and satisfying
Don't worry, we'll probably be getting a movie covering the next arc and a season 2 to finish off part 1. Then I hope they sprinkle some of their resources in animating fire punch (which could work in a 2 part movie format imo)
I went to Japan a month ago, and Chainsaw Man is still going strong. It's one of the animes that sells the most merch in Akihabara. Next to One Piece.
Then there’s me who bought all cds and 3 different versions of Kickback.
This was such a good discussion, probably one of my favorites on trash taste
Weekly works if they don't cliffhanger bait. Currently watching Sopranos when I visit my parents and there is something satisfying watching a series one episode at a time, when the episode end at the end of a story break. The counter is Bleach when you get passed the 250 ep mark or Arcane where episodes leave on cliffhangers making you crave that next episode. If you overuse the cliffhangers, people wait to binge.
True, demon slayer (especially season 3) overuse cliffhanger too much, and the abundant of flashback break the action also not help either.
JJK, KnY or SNK hooked me right away after first episode.
CSM didn't make such impression on me.
I think jujutsu kaisen was more successful as it had a lot more action and is a lot more "normal" story wise than chainsaw man i still think both of them are amazing and both have great stories but jujutsu kaisen is the most normie friendly
Now that i saw the whole thing is basically what the boys said 😅
Yeah, JJK is more anime normie friendly. CSM is very much for the niche cause it tackles things in the most unusual ways. There's also the whole thing that people went in expecting a true typical shounen anime. There's a reason why older anime/manga fans like CSM cause they're tired of the typical one.
I love weekly.
Im so busy during the week, opposed to being pressured to binge the show so youtube doesnt spoil everything.
15:22 This applies way more to something like following a certain sport or a team, like on a weekly/monthly basis.
I think cause people hyped up chainsaw more than what it was, where juju u can hype it up and it lives up to it chainsaw was ok
Chainsaw man had 1 season, jujutsu had 2 seasons worth of episodes and a movie.
I think it depends of how much the show catch you because I’m ok watching week to week, most of the shows I’m watching this season I watch them weekly but with heavenly delusions I had to stop watching after the 2 ep because i was really invested so if I kept watching it weekly I probably wouldn’t resist and pick the manga instead so I decided to binge the whole season after it finishes
It's most likely going to get a 2nd season early next year. The CEO of MAPPA called it a "moderate success" so I definitely see more of the show getting animated.
Unless you are a manga reader, this Chainsaw Man "season" didn't accomplish anything, It needed more episodes, a better closure
I agree. Even if it had 18 eps it would’ve covered the Reze arc . It would’ve helped the anime more
Honestly, I followed the hype for CSM all the way until release, went in completely blind and by the end of it I was confused as to where it was going. It didn't hit very hard.
@@Purpless_ON I was honestly surprised at where they ended off, I won’t spoil anything but i can confidently say that literally every arc and season in the future will be better than season 1
never read the manga once but still enjoy the hell out The Chainsaw Man Anime, sure it deserved more episodes but it was extremely good, heard they cut out the muscle devil tho so that sucks
i think chainsawman just blew its load too early and killed off most of the characters we spent a good amount of time devealoping, and then tries to add in new characters but at that point you just dont want to get attached again
I know its down to personal prefrence but i like the 24 min episode format more than the 1+ hour long episodes.
The 24 min episode are a lot more time effient for me especially as i have gotten older and have less and less time in the day to spend on shows. If i have a busy day and have a small bit of free time in the middle a 24 min episode is a perfect break, If i have some extra time i can just watch more episodes. With 12 episode seasons they at most take about 3-4 hours to watch completely
The 1+ Hour Plus shows on the other hand are a lot harder for me to keep my investment espicaly when they are anywhere from 6-10 episodes. with the exception of some weekends It's already hard to find time in the day where i have more than an hour to spend on a single thing outside of school or work. But needing to do that for 10 consecutive episodes for a total of 6-10+ hours and needing to do that for multiple shows makes it pretty difficult to keep up with them.
I'm really hoping that they do 24 episodes for the second season of CSM cause that finishes the whole story of Part 1 off. Bomb Woman/International Assassins/Gun Devil/[SPOILERS] all back to back not only encapsulates CSM's fast pacing but also puts a nice little now with it and season 1
I think you guys nailed it on the head with regards to 24 eps> 12 eps making a HUGE difference, along with how it’s dropped. Same can be said for Spy Family, the hype stayed strong because we knew we were getting another dozen episodes later that year, and the next season shortly thereafter.
And with Oshi No Ko, the hype after episode 1 was so huge, but I knew it would fall off afterwards because there was no way for them to sustain that level of interest with 22 minute episodes week after week. It’s still good, but it hasn’t even come close to being as interesting as the debut was. A strange strategy for that one
I totally under what hes saying about a show taking up a long period of time like I’ve beeen watching Vinland saga s2 for an. Entire half year it’s really felt like a journey.
I definitely relate to Connor now about following an anime weekly. I can do things in the week and have a day to watch that anime.. be excited the episode is out
Why Chainsaw Man didn't live up to expectations: Regardless of how hard animation went there was no single fight from s1 that's as good as any random fight in Jujutsu kaisen which a lot of people were going to compare it to. Just as Jjk is always being compared to Demon slayer
That is, not the action-packed series most would think or the name suggests. Most series with similar titles are straight-up hype
Also, put in mind Mappa didn't adapt the most awaited arcs from the manga which are supposed to be the series turning point
Don't agree not being family friendly is a reason. There are lots of big horror movies and shows out there and the manga already had a massive audience. Just an anime not being generally well-received thing
VERY NOTICEABLE CGI RUINING EVERY GOOD MOMENT PLAYS BIG ROLE 👀
PERSONALLY I DISLIKE THE CGI, NOWHERE AS GOOD LOOKING AS THE DRAGONBALL SUPER MOVIE
The hype before the anime came out was unreal. People who had no idea what the show waa about straight up jumped on the bandwagon
The real reason everyone is afraid to say is... I 100% would have preferred these 2 scenarios:
1) Pochita never died and stayed as Denji's pet
2) Denji died instead and Pochita took over
The main selling point of Chainsaw Man other than transforming into a Chainsaw is Pochita
Pokémon was what Chainsaw Man was commercialized as
Don't you think anime would have been more hype?
I'm the odd one cause I love chainsaw man due to its lack of focus on action, and more on drama.
Chainsaw man was NEVER advertised as a pokemon type series what are you talking about?
They could've easily adapted it all in 1 season
But they wanted to milk it
Milk it? bro have you not seen attack on titan?
@@JamPierreRow aot has production issues and kodansha is pushing the studio
What did you expect them to release 30+ episodes in one go?
They were rushed to release the first part before the manga ends to promote it then left on their own
Lol I’m already planning on doing Kafka on Anicon. 🤣 I didn’t ever cosplay a Genshin character, but HSR cosplays seem more attainable.
I completely understand what Connor is saying. Like I still like to Bing show and that probably because my job made it easy for me to do so with how slow it can be. But I been watching Witch of Mercury weekly and it's been so good that I can't wait but I get to relish on the experience, and then Sunday hits and I'm so happy when the new episode is out. I just haven't had many people to talk to about anime that the bing model just been my go to for most anime now a days.
Basement dwellers hyped up CSM, target audience matters
Even here in the west Jujitsu hype refused to die. On instagram people that weren't influencers were posting about watching it long after it stopped airing (these are all working adults mind you). But Chainsawman? Nothing. Nobody was taking about it.
😂 brainless comment 🤡
Chainsaw man's anime's hype was absolutely incredible, it was AOT like so yeah poeple were talking about it way more than jjk when it came out. The difference is that we knew jjk will get a second season quite early so the hype continues
There was more hype around chainsaw man before it even came out. Now it’s jus kinda irrelevant
@@tuff360 well because the first Season Finished but if they release a teaser for a second Season and especially with another animation director, the hype will be back in an instant
@@ermalmulaku4469 yeh that’s 1 reason but I think the other reason is because it jus wasn’t as good as the manga readers hyped it up to be. But I get that they haven’t gotten to it’s peak yet
I do enjoy watching shows that are slice of life-ish weekly like spyxfamily etc where its nice to get my weekly dose of happiness and move on but with shounen you have to binge it since fights etc take multiple eps and I tend to forget what happened previously if I wait a week.
I'm more interested in whether mushoku was a success, since the s2 trailers seem less polished than the s1 ones
I did not like the CGI. 😭
Excluding the crazy manga fans in Japan that even sent threats to the Director, a lot of the east Asians manga fans really do not like the direction of the anime taken. That creates a really large echo chamber in the fandom, which sours the feeling of everyone in the amine scene. I did not watch the chainsaw man anime, and all my friends told me just not to.
Your friends are crazy. Get some new ones. 👀
@@magmaspacer1967 people have different tastes. They are not sending threats so I am okay with their comments.
@@eva7493 Well yeah, I’m just joking around
It was definitely the pacing. Since they slowed the anime down to a screeching halt compared to the manga especially in the fights and such, the 12 episodes hurt it a lot. Needed more episodes to fit for the slower pacing.