How To Preload & Squash Bike Jumps | MTB Jump Tips
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Getting airborne is one of many great things about mountain biking, but learning the proper technique can really help you progress your skills and help you jump bigger and bigger gaps. Rich Payne, a man who is no stranger to getting airborne, is here to guide you through preloading and squashing into jumps - two vital things in helping you take your skills to the next level!
⏱ Timestamps ⏱
0:00 - Intro
0:42 - How to Preload
2:16 - How to squash into jumps
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Have you tried these on the trail? If so, do you have any tips or issues with them?
Can you make an experiment for fast xc riders. What is the speed difference when you put faster tire in the back and grippier up front vs fast tire front and rear. In some countries cars are expensive so lots of xc rider have to ride on flats to get to mountains and with grippy tires it is slower to get to trails. For example I have raceking rear and crossking fronts and ı wonder if ı had race king front and rear how much faster ı can be and how slippery it can be in trails ?
I have an issue with my timing when squashing as well as not getting far back and sometimes nose dive horribly. Still learning. 6 years into it now 😜
Your videos are always great guys! BUT, I am sure many of us would like a more really stripped down versions of this. You talk preload and squashing and then show a video of you doing it... well it just looks like a really cool jump but it is hard to understand timing/position/technique etc. out of it, even in slow motion. As someone that is just starting to jump, there is too much going on and a lot of information depending on the channels we watch (but GMBN is always my fav. but shh) but the exact movement and timing still feels like a mystery. Would love to watch a jump video from you guys where you basically simulate being on the bike (but you are basically standing) and show how you push on the preload during the ramp, the motion of the body without the bike, where you press. I know it may seem too obvious but after some fails... I am certainly missing something. I will go crash a bit now and report my results! Cheers and thank you for the amazing content!
Thanks. Understand the theory.. but.. would it be possible to have a vid with techniques shown side by side so can easily see how they differ? My preload timing is pants.
Hey, here is a video Neil made on how to preload 👉gmbn.eu/preload He also made a video on How To Pre Jump quite a while ago that may help you? - Rich could do one on the timings though, as that is the tricky bit.
@@gmbn timing would be amazing!
I love your simple advice videos, they encourage us to try various techniques. Please keep them coming, because there's always someone just starting, and others who need a reminder of the basics.
9 seconds ago? That's the earliest I've been to *anything* :D
Haha! Hope you enjoyed!
This is an excellent playground to work this out. I hope I had something like that close to where I live...
That’s a very good tutorial, but there is so much more to it than it seems! It’s not for nothing we see people going OTB trying this stuff, including myself!
Hi Rich! I am learning to jump now, but If I understood correctly, you are not just executing pre loading. There's also a nice row and shove. There are 3 moviment patterns. Press - row- shove. That's for me is the most difficult part. Do It all in onde fluid motion. I think only a pop in flat ground teaches the press motion for an adult beginner. When you add the take off, It gets rough for beginners. No row, and your front wheel Will hit the ground First, in the worse case, sending OTB.
Brilliant video , very helpful. Would be awesome to meet you one day guys on the trails . 😌
Rich, this is just what I need to teach….
Thank you, sir Richard. :-)
Thanks for the support, Armin! Good luck!
A couple of things.
First, let's be honest. Most of us aren't going to be winning a bodybuilding contest in the near future. At least in the upper body area! (Not all, I admit.) When training & racing seriously, my teammates and I suffered a lot of upper body atrophy. Returning from nationals one year, we stopped at a lake for a quick swim. I snapped a pic of my teammate who's forte was sprinting; the dude was an ANIMAL! The picture ended up being that of a freak of nature! Tree trunks down below and little twigs up top! It was hilarious. Today you'd assume the pic was totally photoshopped.
And as you get older, fatter and lazier (like me), you will probably keep those thighs & calves of STEEL, but the arms, shoulders, etc. tend to get pretty wimpy. It's hard enough for most to find time to ride enough, much less add another entire regimen to their exercise routine. So your upper body won't have the muscle tone to be able to achieve the pre-loading, lifting and positioning comfortably. I know I felt a lack of strength in that arena for a while. And for those long descents where your hands are on fire? Grip and wrist strength work will take care of that!
So the second point is hit the weights. I recently got back to regular upper body strength workouts and it has paid off with jumping specifically and riding in general. Rode Soquel Demo last week and two Sierra flow trails yesterday and now I'm happy to say I have the upper body strength to attack every berm and jump without feeling spent half way down the hill. What a difference a few months of upper body work outs has made. Feel so much more confident.
Third, you'll reduce your risk of upper body injury in a crash if you have upper body muscle tone (and mass if you want). So being fit up top will help prevent a crash in the first place, and then prevent more serious injury if you do. It can't hurt (unless you're competing for a TDF win and are obsessing over strength-to-weight optimization at the pedals).
So my jumping advice? You GOTTA have the upper body strength to do all the things required to jump successfully. The strength will give you the stamina to keep it up after the 15th set of doubles and the confidence to do it right!
Not to be sexist or anything, but the wife has struggled over the years with lifting the bike's front end. She doesn't really have the strength to lift it confidently. Never even got to the stage of riding even a short wheelie.* So fourth, having upper body strength will pay off in ALL SORTS of mountain biking situations, especially getting through the technical stuff. And bunny hops? Man, bent and upright rows were MADE for improving bunny hopping skills & increasing height! I'm pretty sure if she worked on this skill, she'd be more able to hit the Utah or Sierra "gnar" more ease and confidence.
Pump some iron, kids!!!
*Wheelies are also a crucial skill when it comes to mountain biking. Now you don't have to know how to ride one a mile, but being able to for a short distance is so very helpful. It allows you to approach all sorts of technical rock climbs with ease. Lift up that wheel and put it where you want. It's simply a natural progression of weighting and unweighting your wheels - the front wheel in this case.
Thanks for this
Been in the gym for years but not on a bike. I'm like a lead weight trying to lift off of the ground. Wheelies and jumps dont work
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Interesting timing! I am in Bentonville, Arkansas, and rode a trail called Cease and Desist yesterday. There are a bunch of long tables that require a lot of speed to clear. I know when I was out was at Trestle Bike Park a couple of summers ago I rode the expert jump line and on a couple of them my back wheel kicked up higher than the front wheel and it scared the crap out of me. As much BMX riding and jumping I have done in my life, I have very little experience riding a full-suspension bike at much higher speeds hitting such big long floater style jumps.
My guess is I need to get this preload thing down, but I also don't know the timing. Lee McCormick just recently talked about the timing of going off jumps and how bigger jumps actually require you to slow down your pump vs smaller jumps where you have to pump and pop quickly. Any pointers on the big fast floaters I see people do all the time I am all for it. Maybe some videos explaining them. The jumps in this video are similar to what I do a lot and am comfortable with, I mean the larger floaters like what we see Sam Pilgram and Tom Cardy hit all the time.
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Also do you just preload using your body and legs…. Or do you push down with your hands? I find if I aggressively try to preload the forks by using arms, the takeoff becomes super sketchy
Can't squash for the life of me but I'm 50+. Is it still possible to learn? You young guys have all the strength 💪. Lol
56 here and improving my jumping, so I'd say there's hope!
I grew up jumping when every kid had a ramp in the yard in the 70's. So I have that advantage of learning much of the technique as a kid. HOWEVER, I never really got it down and never learned to hit the big stuff. Doubles? Big air? No way! My two cycling regrets: not road racing as a junior and not racing BMX as a kid. I really wish I had learned to conquer the major jumps way back then. (Everyone I mountain bike with who raced or rode BMX seriously kick my ass in the jumping and descending arena. I'm no slouch, but get schooled by those guys!)
But again, I think there's hope. Places like Woodward would be a good place to focus on this skill and learn it. Jumping into a foam pit? That would be the ONLY way I'd ever attempt something really big. Not sure if they offer adult skills clinics.
I'll add that today's bikes make jumping SO MUCH EASIER! I just "graduated" from a 1999 Ti hard tail to an Ibis Ripley. Can you say epiphany?!!! I was immediately blown away at what I could do jump-wise. "Hey, maybe I CAN jump!" was my first remark. And descending in general is obviously way, WAY better. So given today's bikes, I think anyone with a modicum of physical ability can learn.
Good luck!
This is what I want, I hope my youtube grows and I can buy a bike like that
Really enjoyed the squashing technique part! I wonder slowing the rear rebound helps when learning so as not to land OTB?
Usually, yes. Many OTB jumping catastrophes are probably a combo of too little rebound damping and poor technique (and perhaps too much spring load too). The two together are a recipe for disaster. But even with proper technique, if you hit something a bit wrong AND you get sprung by your rear suspension too quickly, then that may put you over the proverbial edge.
So I'd definitely max out my rebound damping when sessioning jumps and working on technique. Eliminate that factor so you can focus on what YOU are doing.
does preloading make you jump further and higher? and squashing make you go shorter but not as high?
What will be the setting on fork?
I need to unlearn squashing jumps!
Sic dude
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Amazing. ...😃
Thanks, Steve! 👊
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Aha, that is why i dont get height, i always squash my jump 😅
Fingers crossed this has helped you! Safe Riding!
i'm just really struggling to get air, my timing is rubbish!
Hopefully, this video has helped you a bit more! If you're still struggling to get air, try going back to smaller jumps you know, to work on your preload and body position. 👊
Try filming yourself jumping so you can review do you go to late or earlier and try correct that by drawning line or putting stick on the ground when you should pre load-it could help
@@LukaszMielczarek i already do (got a youtube channel to document my progression) i can see where i'm going wrong i just cant seem to get the timing and body position right yet. just need more practice i guess
@@gmbn yes your vids are always a big help, just got to keep practicing till it clicks i guess
But I don't see how you exactly preload? I don't see any special movements? It's just pushing your vork down just as you enter the jump?
Yeah, you're right! As you enter the bottom section of a take-off push down on your pedals. That's how you preload. Try practising by pushing your suspension down on flat ground. Hope this helps! 👊
@@gmbn push down on your pedals? Not with your arms on your fork?
i cant even compress my fork like that
Hey Chris! If your fork doesn't move very much, try dialling down your compression on the top of the fork stanchions. If you've got air forks, try letting out some air. Here is a video to help set up your suspension! th-cam.com/video/_7FxxE4fWM0/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps! 👊
I'm a natural squash master....cause I'm freakin afraid of going high 😂
And that’s why I’m healing up a broken collar bone
Ouch! Best of luck with your recovery!
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Instructions unclear. Unfortunately the video isn’t informational enough for those of us who squash every jump 😅 . Another video explaining how to preload, when, body position, with slow motion showing it all would be welcome.
Just watch BOBO's 37 simple tips to learn how to jump. It's self-explanatory after watching:
th-cam.com/video/DOeTU6FYqBY/w-d-xo.html
It all looks the same to me 🤔
Nice video. Horrible jacket looks like a bin bag
The jacket looks cool to me bro
Thanks for the support! It's quite a nice lightweight XC gilet!
I am convinced only special individuals can get their bikes off of the ground lol. I am not one of them
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That’s not a proper boost! This will just fatigue your upper body.