Shower Valve Set Too Deep!!! How to fix
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- A shower valve rough-in has a specific depth it needs to be set at so that the finished tile wall surface finishes flush with the plaster guard. If this measurement is off, the valve finish trim may not work. If the wall needs to be built out in order to make the tile plumb and flat, this can lead to the valve being set too deep or too far in when it comes time to install the trim plate. Some manufacturers sell extension kits, but sometimes they are not available. In this video we show how to bring the valve closer to the tiled surface.
delta was good about replacing missing parts, set screws,i bought things on amazon under their "used" sub menu, saved a ton,getting the nipple length on the body sprays was a chore,made my own custom lengths
I have had a few valves end up a little shy before. Its devastating. Luckily most of the manufactures make extension kits. You guys did get lucky with that one.
Only problem is now the valve is pointing upwards. Maybe most will not notice.
Glad that you went to ace for those screws. They saved the day for me earlier today.
I like the stops also but I also like the high flow shower valves from delta, but they don't make it with stops.
Probably should have grouted before putting the escutcheon back on ;)
Great info can you tell me which valves are high flow? I am doing copper to the valves since Plex will reduce flow.
@@Vin3Man The delta R10000-UNBXHF is the high flow shower only. Your regular R10000-UNBX will work if it's a tub and shower. But it's not considered high flow for the shower side.
Would have had the same issue on the Grohe fixture we just installed. Not designed for a floated wall. Ended up having to notch the copper supply lines into the denzshield in order to make it work. Only realized it because we did the demo and plumbing and worked alongside tile guy. Otherwise super easy thing to overlook. Great job on the fix.
Nice fix!!
Shouldn’t you have grouted before the plate was installed?
Driving me crazy too lol
Shouldn't you have checked your finish depth before you set any tile... Call that plumber back out.
@@orioncustom
That’s what I’m saying. Why didn’t you check your depth before you set tile. You could have moved the diverter out 🤦♂️
Could have rolled some 45 m&f bends
I’m surprised to see this was an issue for a pro.
This is the only video that I can find on the entire internet showing the installation of a Delta T27T997 Two-handle temperature 17T valve trim with setting diverter. Since Im probably not the only person frustrated with delta for showing the diverter install without the valve trim, I posted a link to this video on the Delta site showing installation of the associated R22000 Diverter Rough.
I was like. HEEYYYYYYY TURN THE WATER BACK ON. LOL. You didn't hear me though. Awesome tile job man. Perfection.
I was thinking about that too 😂.
He turned the screws in on the regulator to turn the water off, but I didn’t see him turn them back on, I bet after the vid they had to disassemble everything again to access those screws. 😬😬
Yeah, he probably had to remove the cover anyway to get grout in that vertical joint so the trim seal has something to come in contact with.
Nice!!! I usually have the plumber leave the finish out 1 1/2- 1 3/4 passed the studs
The valve instructions usually say have the edge of the plaster guard within certain measurements of the proposed finished wall.
Unfortunately the last (off brand) valve didn't have clear measurements regarding the finished wall.
Ended up too deep in wall.
Now "praying" for an available extension kit! 🙏🏾😳😊
The problem started with the G.C. not providing the plumber with a straight wall to work with, Its not the plumbers job to determine if the wall needs to be floated out.
Or just do it without subs
The issue could have been prevented if the extension kit was already on hand before deciding to float the wall, otherwise the diverter mounting could had been corrected prior to wall plumb correction.
Very nice job. Wondering how the floor tile is cut? The blue and white are those tiles cut like that? One piece or what?
Had that issue too with my kohler shower valve but it turned out kohler was smart enough to sell extension kits unlike a airline company like delta
Delta does sell them, it’s a supply/production issue.
@@krehbeinI was going to say the same thing Delta does sell them.
Wondering why you left the plaster guard in.
It's not necessary after the tiling is finished. Sometimes it gets in the way.
I had one guy install it behind the tile!
They definitely couldn't have gotten the trim on that way.
I'm sure they had fun removing it! 😂
Rough-in box/Plaster guard has the 4 nuts that the longer screws go into which retains the finish chrome, I have same unit. Crazy the rough-in box has only one screw to the valve body,
Yeah stick to comedy it is necessary
Wassup buddy how are u I have a question I only float all my bathrooms I don’t do hardibacker. So u said u have half inch denshield plus half inch float cement mortar that’s already 1 inch plus thinset and tile
Hi great looking bathroom what do i do when i did not set the shower body deep enough
9 times out of 10 you can just go to back side of wall and correct it. Simple drywall repair. Way better than busting tile or jacking up the escutcheon crooked.
Right that’s what I was thinking
Good to see others rig shit like I do.....
Wow! Great job! I think you could do the glass! :)
What a SAVE!!!!! 🚀🚀🚀
What depth would you recommend to place the face of plaster guard. When in doubt I usually go with 3/4" out from face of stud. I figure there's a 1/4" of tolerance either way so the tile guy can go with any size backer board standard tile size and all is well.
too bad you cut away the grout for no reason, but no biggie in the end!
@TileCoach so if the valves are set too deep, there is an option to put in an extension on the valves? I have an issue with a shower elbow valve being too deep. Can I purchase an extension to bring it out a 1/4 inch? Or do i have to go in from behind in closet wall?
We have a 3 inches wall. Can we install a diverter?
How is called extension? Do you have any link on that or similar product? Thank you!
Hey Tile Coach.U think I could send you a video of my upstairs bathroom that was renovated but it is leaking bad.And if u can give me a few scenarios what they did wrong.
i read my instructions ,and still got it wrong,luckily just buying longer screws fixed it,and the trim still fit well,but the mud ring shouldve been out about 3/8 in more
Issac how do you waterproof around that valve(thinking it’s the same as my Delta R22000)? Ie: traditional Valve Seals meant for single valves don’t work, thanks.
i did need longer stainless screws also
Doing a shower remodel now, Kohler is such a headache tho, but more of a headache is my client, changes their mind like a baby changes diapers!!! I know someone feels my pain!!
All the vendors needs to be specific in small blueprint how the valves needs to be with finish surfaces
I can’t believe this guy……let’s scape out grout before we try the assembly. Unreal. What a choch.
Thank YOU,,,, awesome
When you knew the valve was going to work, why did you not take cover back off and grout the entire joint? You only grouted up to the valve cover and not behind it. Water leak.
Maybe communication between the idiot subcontractors would have been the easiest solution to begin with
Wait, somebody left the plaster guard in that valve to be in there permanently 😂
Probably better shims would be 3/8" copper tubing cut to 1/4" length and placed behind the ears. That way it would allow the set screws to go through them. Wait! Who talks shit about Northern California? No one that's a native. I can't think of anywhere else I'd live. And, I was burned out of Paradise.
Cant you get it 3d printed???
You can get guys in high value countries to model it (based off a picture and few dimensions so they can scale) and get it printed for a few bucks in the country your in... i have a printer for annoying diy jobs like this
Grout saw
It’s was good from the beginning 🤦🏼
Lol exactly.
Not really, once he removed the screw attaching the valve to the framing it was fine.
I wonder if this is an example of where 3d printing would be easier.
As a homeowner, I would prefer to remove the four tiles, address the problem 100% correctly. Feel, it was half-ass done.
No one cares about the property. Get to the fix
Get to the point of the video
Sorry brother, Can't help this shit platform anymore. Find another home. I'm outta here
Lolwut?
You just need a special tool to remove upper nut 🔩
Problem solving lil details is so time consuming....to customer it looks like nothing but can take hrs to troubleshoot a problem
You got pretty lucky with this one! Normally, it's not this easy. Sometimes depending on how well a plumber fastens the copper lines to a backing further down the vertical run, unscrewing the rough valve portion only tilts the stem and cartridge outward in an angle, in which case, your escutcheon will not sit flat on the finished wall.
They make extension kits for up to an extra 1.75 of gap
@@steved2510 If you listen to the video he stated that they were out of the extensions for this model
@@paulb9376 does anyone know how to install exterior kits?deep rough-in kit
If the other side of that wall is drywall I would cut a rectangle out to remove the shower side drywall. My Last resort would be removing tile.
OK the only thing I see wrong so far other than what you were describing but at first glance as a project manager I can tell you your design is absolutely beautiful however you’re missing one characteristic that maybe you didn’t know about so I’ll tell you…
On the glass enclosure the glass installers should’ve offered the sapphire blue glass as it is absolute clear and when you’re looking at the white on the video you can see the shading of the white shower and it should’ve been absolute clear the customers would’ve been blown away… It’s worth the change out should they decide but look into it and you will see because I hate looking at Beautiful white showers but then seeing a shading and color difference….
🤔 just a thought 👍
He's not a pro.... he's a utuber. I TOTALLY agree with you.
just wondering shouldnt you have re grouted before installing the trim?
Was thinking the same thing.
Drove me nuts too...
Yes…
Should people paint behind the cabinets on your wall? No you won’t ever see the missing grout it’s good to go. Nice job.
Besides he never removed all the grout with just a couple swipes on the outside of the tile grout line. Time saved. Not hurting a thing. It what I would have done.
You should have removed the drywall before installing the durock.
Yep. But he's not a pro. Any true contractor would have removed the drywall before putting the hardi backer on.
Would it not have been better to grout before putting back that fancy faceplate?
Yes! But owell,too late!!!
This is a JOKE! The guy is NOT a PRO only a utuber.
Any real contractor would have measured everything in advance before applying the backboard and tile. Along with allowing for the thinset wether it was an eighth inch or a quarter inch depth on it depending on the size of the tiles.
A real contractor would NOT have removed the grout before trying to adjust the valve and most of them would have went to the back wall and cut a hole in the drywall did it that way and then just patched the drywall. A lot easier and a lot quicker!
What's funny here is these shower valves a DIY guy can purchase have a lot of forgiveness in them, especially the Delta products. You start getting into Ghroe or California Faucets, you and the plumber better be on the same page. I floated everything and found if you set the thing between 1 5/8" and 1 3/4" they fit come payday, the day you set the trim.
The problem most people have is they just attach the new valve to the existing water supplies thinking that's where it goes. Guys like us should know better than this. When you figured out you had to float that wall, someone should have got the tape measure out.
good thing you didn't have to bust any tiles out - I don't see how you could have made it 100% waterproof again... also looks like it's pointing up now..
I’m glad it worked out for him, but I would like to see a video of a pro removing and replacing a tile or a few tiles that are installed on a sheet membrane or roll on membrane. Tile Coach actually said what he expected to happen if he removed them from the fleece-like membrane. I wonder what would likely happen on a roll on membrane? I was thinking the membrane would just separate from the backer board. Would this damage the backer board? Or could a new layer just be brushed/rolled on. Hmm.
I love your videos, I just wanted to make some suggestions if I may! I would put some kind of blanket or protection on the floor because the pieces may fall and chip your beautiful tile job, also I would have grouted it before I put the cover plate. Great job as usual👍
J8
Nothing worse than a valve roughed to deep in a wall with custom hand picked tiles and a trim that they do not make extension kits for! Spent many of long hours in multi million dollar homes going threw the same scenario! Good Job!
All through wall finish valves should be adjustable in some method.
I am installing a shower valve with exposed shower head riser. Zero adjustment available. Worst case I will have to grind down the ring. I am trying to leave some gap that would just leave some of the valve copper exposed if it ends up to far out.
start simple as i say, not as I do.. lol
Nice bathroom, Brah. Lucky on the valve. Take the wins when you can....
First: fire the plumber.
Second: hire a real plumber.
Don’t spend 20,000 on tile job just to look for cheapest plumber.
You didn't say what you would do if you weren't able to just pull it out.
yeah - happy it worked out for him but disappointed we didn't get to see the real job
hack it up wow
Bro has much more skill than me as a GC. But look. This is why I hate the float option you use. Just get the walls plumb and square before you rock the walls and then you’re good. With all due respect, just my .02
Love your work and channel.
Hell yea man I love watching these vids! Helps me learn more which helps me at work!
You forgot to put that gasket piece with the plastic on it the screws into the plaster guard
First mistake is floating over drywall..
They’re on eBay now double cheap. I just checked
You should check at your local plumbing supply house for someone who knows a delta rep, they usually either got the good stuff or can get it on the fly!
Can you do a video on water absorption rate for tile? What tiles to use in showers given their water absorption rates. Maybe even an experiment with tile with high absorption rates submerge in water compared to tiles with low absorption rates, etc.
Just curious...there were no accessible shut offs?
If you build you niche when you're one tile away you can get a sweet lineup and lose the l cuts in a lot of applications
I always have the extensions available whether I need it or not, cause you just never know. You got lucky though, nice job.
You can do anything with spacers!!!
HOW MANY BAD FUCKING IDEAS DID YOU ACQUIRE WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR OVER-PRICED CASTLE ????????
Hey Dude - I commented on your glass brick cutting video pointing out your bad work practices in it that may be copied by other people and now it seems that my comments aren't being replied to or liked - have you blocked me ?? I hope you haven't - Cheers
I'll reply to you buddy
@@micahned - Thanks for your reply.
Nice to kno, thanks for your great vids. Helping me with a Reno.
Those guys do look better when rough in a little deep
First It was a plumber issue when copper pipes where next to the cement board …. Now grout was scraped For no reason And who’s fault is at the end
I see your tile shop every day as I drive through Rocklin, on I-80 !!!
Sometimes you get lucky
Just curious, who pays for that (repair,surgery?)(if tile removal is needed)
Plumber or tile guy o homeowner? It's definitely NOT our fault when a wall NEEDS to be floated because wall boarders refuse to make Flat walls with the extra 5 mins it would take to wet shim and ot shim.🤷♂️
I'm a plumber, when I install a shower valve I ask the tile guy how thick everything will be. If it comes out thicker than that it's not my problem is it?
@@PlumbNutz haha,u must be the only Plumber to ever consider and or ask.👍 wish there were more like yah
10:05 Imagine dropping that blue clip between the wall.
i did that wsR22000 delta
Wow, you really didn’t know what you were doing or how much you needed to fix the issue
Dude, wtf are you doing?
Seems like it would have fit with just longer screws
oh wow stay off of socail media hmm they i would not be able to see your videos anymore lol
So I installed mine a bit too far out .Any suggestions?
The plumber set the valve in the wall and then you floated the wall out. The tile installer should’ve stopped work and informed the plumber that the finished wall surface is out of plumb and will require floating out and the valve must be checked for repositioning.
Why is the tile installer installing the plumbing trim ? This is a clown show
Cameraman needs to stop moving so much.
So don’t scrape the grout first.
Exactly. Not sure why he gives himself a pass on that. Also, smearing the grout around that trim plate......I wouldn't like to see that plate's finish scratched and damaged from the abrasion of the grout. He seems to be more focused on filming than doing a competent job.
12:59 not working on a blanket or towel I see 😉
was your fault tile guy. not plumber
If done in Pex should have some play.
This happened to us so many times we used to just have extra extension kits.
It's also helpful if the plumber checks the walls, and or what the tile setters plan is.
When I install a shower valve I ask the tile guy how thick the tile and everything will be I put the shower valve at the appropriate depth. If it comes out thicker than that then it's not my problem.
@@PlumbNutz Yeah we did allot work in post WWII track homes. Some were just the worst nothing square, plumb, level or even parallel. On a tight budget, we had to be creative sometimes to do a good job, and have be right.
You learn as a tile guy to always check them. The whole “not my job” thing costs everyone. First thing I check when I’m told “shower is ready for you”.
Those shower valve extensions come in handy.
Also it looks like the shower head arm is installed backwards.
I'm in Northern California too.
Bro we need to calab
Hahaha hybrid or Sativa?
When you dig the grout out with a knife, doesn't that cut your membrane?
No
Delta is crap
Lovely tile pattern and install. Super clean.
Always try the simple things first.. Thats why Isaac starting razor blading the grout out before he loosened the bolts.....