Psychopathy, Truth and the Slave Trade: Liverpool, Caribbean and America W/Laurence Westgaph
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We’re raising £20,000 for A plaque to commemorate the slaves who lived and died in Liverpool most of whom were buried in unmarked graves
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For daily updates/articles on little-known historical aspects of the slave trade join Laurences Facebook group
/ 1941789819395511
To join Laurence on his history walks around Liverpool
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1:07 - 4:44 group shame is not necessary or valid
5:23 - 6:33 open and honest conversation is the way forward
6:33 - 7:24 who decides what history we learn
7:24 - 10:30 Liverpool is not “bad” because of slavery
10:30 - 12:30 who’s history are we getting?
12:30 - 16:14 American identity and Black America
16:14 - 18:30 African immigration was stopped by law
18:30 - 20:00 “Race” is in the DNA of America
20:00 - 22:00 “Jim Crow” is a blackface minstrel act
22:00 - 23:00 the “one drop” rule
23:00 - 24:45 the Jamaican Colony Race Designation System
24:45 - 27:50 “White Passing”
27:50 - 30:00 pseudoscience and use of “mulatto”
30:00 - 31:30 emotional attachment to “race”/culture
31:30 - 33:00 Hendrix, Jazz, and “black authenticity”
33:00 - 34:34 “Blackness” in the diaspora is multicultural
34:34 - 36:57 “cultural appropriation” and Black tone deafness
36:57 - 39:14 was “Black Panther” cringe? Laurences top comic heroes
39:14 - 40:46 More Comprehensive African History
40:46 - 44.43 the Jamaican “Maroons” former rebel slave survivalists
44:43 - 46:00 Takys Rebellion
46:00 - 48:44 Thomas Thistlewood Sadistic Psychopath
48:44 - 50:02 “Derby’s Dose”
50:02 - 51:50 “12 Years A Slave” Violent Depravity
51:50 - 54:10 Violence breeds Psychopathy
54:10 - 56:08 Emancipation Proclamation
56:08 - 58:00 1865 to 1965 is only 100 years
58:00 - 1:02:00 Reconstruction
1:02:00 - 1:04:11 were black slaves “American Citizens”?
1:04:11 - 1:07:00 Dominican Republic and it’s complex history
1:07:00 - 1:09:15 Sugar and Haitian Slavery , Hispaniola Split
1:09:15 - 1:11:11 Trujillo and white make up
1:11:11 - 1:13:50 the dark, dark history of the Caribbean
1:13:50 - 1:16:00 when were the whites out of Jamaica?
1:16:00 - 1:18:00 Race and power status in Caribbean
1:18:00 - 1:20:00 Haitians status in the Dominican
1:20:00 - 1:24:00 Black Solidarity as Myth/Fictive Kinship
1:24:00 - 1:25:50 “Black” within a power structure
1:25:50 - 1:27:07 Joining a race gang in prison
1:27:07 - 1:31:55 Race and appearance in Liverpool
1:31:55 - 1:32:19 a wide and varied gene pool
1:32:19 - 1:36:25 Detroit and Liverpool share decline
1:36:25 - 1:37:45 Liverpool’s Crime Reputation
1:37:45 - 1:40:40 Crack, Gun Crime - Laurence in Inglewood
1:40:40- 1:42:10 Laurence in LA, “colours”
1:42:10 - 1:44:33 Individual responsibility vs Environment
1:44:33 - 1:46:25 opportunities, mechanisation and dystopian futures
1:46:25 - 1:48:15 spontaneous revolution, turn tv off
1:48:15 - 1:51:50 the cost of lost tribal contact
1:51:50 - 1:53:10 Parents are more fearful now
1:53:10 - 1:56:35 Historical Naïveté and the human condition
1:56:35 - 1:59:36 Britain, psychopathy, entrepreneurialism
1:59:36 - Israel/ Palestine and the British
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We’re raising £20,000 for A plaque to commemorate the slaves who lived and died in Liverpool most of whom were buried in unmarked graves
www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/liverpoolenslaved?DW5A
For daily updates/articles on little-known historical aspects of the slave trade join Laurences Facebook group
facebook.com/groups/1941789819395511/
To join Laurence on his history walks around Liverpool
www.eventbrite.co.uk/o/laurence-westgaph-3052085083
0:07 - 4:44 group shame is not necessary or valid
5:23 - 6:33 open and honest conversation is the way forward
6:33 - 7:24 who decides what history we learn
7:24 - 10:30 Liverpool is not “bad” because of slavery
10:30 - 12:30 who’s history are we getting?
12:30 - 16:14 American identity and Black America
16:14 - 18:30 African immigration was stopped by law
18:30 - 20:00 “Race” is in the DNA of America
20:00 - 22:00 “Jim Crow” is a blackface minstrel act
22:00 - 23:00 the “one drop” rule
23:00 - 24:45 the Jamaican Colony Race Designation System
24:45 - 27:50 “White Passing”
27:50 - 30:00 pseudoscience and use of “mulatto”
30:00 - 31:30 emotional attachment to “race”/culture
31:30 - 33:00 Hendrix, Jazz, and “black authenticity”
33:00 - 34:34 “Blackness” in the diaspora is multicultural
34:34 - 36:57 “cultural appropriation” and Black tone deafness
36:57 - 39:14 was “Black Panther” cringe? Laurences top comic heroes
39:14 - 40:46 More Comprehensive African History
40:46 - 44.43 the Jamaican “Maroons” former rebel slave survivalists
44:43 - 46:00 Takys Rebellion
46:00 - 48:44 Thomas Thistlewood Sadistic Psychopath
48:44 - 50:02 “Derby’s Dose”
50:02 - 51:50 “12 Years A Slave” Violent Depravity
51:50 - 54:10 Violence breeds Psychopathy
54:10 - 56:08 Emancipation Proclamation
56:08 - 58:00 1865 to 1965 is only 100 years
58:00 - 1:02:00 Reconstruction
1:02:00 - 1:04:11 were black slaves “American Citizens”?
1:04:11 - 1:07:00 Dominican Republic and it’s complex history
1:07:00 - 1:09:15 Sugar and Haitian Slavery , Hispaniola Split
1:09:15 - 1:11:11 Trujillo and white make up
1:11:11 - 1:13:50 the dark, dark history of the Caribbean
1:13:50 - 1:16:00 when were the whites out of Jamaica?
1:16:00 - 1:18:00 Race and power status in Caribbean
1:18:00 - 1:20:00 Haitians status in the Dominican
1:20:00 - 1:24:00 Black Solidarity as Myth/Fictive Kinship
1:24:00 - 1:25:50 “Black” within a power structure
1:25:50 - 1:27:07 Joining a race gang in prison
1:27:07 - 1:31:55 Race and appearance in Liverpool
1:31:55 - 1:32:19 a wide and varied gene pool
1:32:19 - 1:36:25 Detroit and Liverpool share decline
1:36:25 - 1:37:45 Liverpool’s Crime Reputation
1:37:45 - 1:40:40 Crack, Gun Crime - Laurence in Inglewood
1:40:40- 1:42:10 Laurence in LA, “colours”
1:42:10 - 1:44:33 Individual responsibility vs Environment
1:44:33 - 1:46:25 opportunities, mechanisation and dystopian futures
1:46:25 - 1:48:15 spontaneous revolution, turn tv off
1:48:15 - 1:51:50 the cost of lost tribal contact
1:51:50 - 1:53:10 Parents are more fearful now
1:53:10 - 1:56:35 Historical Naïveté and the human condition
1:56:35 - 1:59:36 Britain, psychopathy, entrepreneurialism
1:59:36 - Israel/ Palestine and the British
Millions of German soldiers and civilians buried in unmarked graves and burned alive in the Dresden version of Hiroshima after working in mines and steel factories.... and their children persecuted, defamed and trafficked. Its called evil
Your Bosnian girlfriend has given you one-sided perspective of what happened in Bosnia. Research the other side before opening your mouth to blame Serbs for anything. If a minority in England decided to proclaim their independence, and if the British government tried to stop the mutiny, that would be called protection of the British state. In Jugoslavia, the West was on the side of separatists, and made sure to present lots of lies in the media and to finance the rebells.
" the slaves who lived and died in Liverpool " ? There was no slavery in Liverpool.
I sincerely wish for these interviews to be shown in as many classrooms as possible. THANK YOU GUYS!!!!!!
Very wise idea
Thanks for this incredible History lesson...
But let's be honest,. this would probably fly in the face of the neo Marxist 'Critical Race Theory' Agenda
It's nice to sit back and listen to two knowledgeable people having a non argumentative chat.God bless you both
The first interview was amazing. Lawrence has a wealth of knowledge and I look forward to this tomorrow!
Yes. Britain was a colony of Rome for centuries and up to 30% of people were slaves in Roman times. Britain had slaves from Europe and people were addicted from Britain and Europe and sold into slavery. Somehow the Anglo saxons took power in Britain during Britain’s dark ages and no one knows what happened. Slavery was outlawed in Britain in 1000 ad until the African space trade began. Perhaps the ottomans and the Italians and the Africans should pay reparations for all the slavery back in those days. The nine million slaves today in Africa ought to be freed.
During hard times in Britain people sold themselves into slavery.
Fascinating and very educational interview. I’m American and I learned a lot. Just loved this intelligent conversation. Thank you guys, everyone needs to hear this.
Extremely intelligent conversation spot on 👌 👏 unbelievable!
Thank you guys so glad I found this.
Another great discussion! Keep doing these! I learn more about history in 2 hours than I did in my 12 years of public education in the States. I'm fascinated listening to you two talk...
Me to it's fab!
Brilliant conversation
Mentally stimulating ..
I like the idea of seeing ourselves as the foundation of the new countries we slaved in. I got a warm feeling in me gulliver when I heard that !
> Very nice to hear about this fellow - making moves to educate people & open a foundation to contribute to the heritage of the coastal islanders & all others that came from far & wide to make England the GREAT BRITAIN - we know of, today.
Respects to all our forefathers who broke their backs & served to build new nations. History may have called them slaves, but actually,
they were heroes.
✨🧡🙏🏼🙏🏼🌊🧡✨
Thank you Richard, I really appreciate this series with Laurence! Looking forward to seeing the second part of the interview. Greetings from Croatia!
The expansiveness of subjects in your videos is exceptional. So appreciate this very important history lesson to understand the challenges and experiences of the black population across the globe.
What intelligent empathetic conversation, so glad to have found this
These chats really inspire a lot of questions about the history we’re taught. Particularly over here across the pond. It even varies by region here. I’ve met people from other parts of the US in my own age range who learned a completely different version of the American Civil War than what I was taught as a child in Mississippi. Not to say either was entirely correct, just starkly different. Thanks again to you both for sharing your knowledge. 🤓
This is so fascinating. I still haven't been able to get through the whole interview, but I'm almost there. I love the fair, balanced attitudes of you both. I know your ego has been stroked an nauseum, Richard, but seriously, you surround yourself with quality in every regard, especially people.
I have often thought about the ways in which religion should have curbed the devilish appetites for greed and control and cruelty instead of justifying them.
Someone said in an earlier comment, this of our history with slavery should be taught in schools everywhere.
Really enjoying the history lessons. Need more. Have been listening with my daughter, so she actually gets a real history lesson.
Just not understanding why anyone would dislike this video? Only 4 dislikes but I guess some people don't like real history, especially if it doesn't fit the narrative they want to push.
Glad I've found this channel. Struggling a lot right now and I'm looking forward to watch some of your videos. And the facts you are local too makes it all the better.
This was an amazing discussion. One of the most in-depth discussions about history and race I’ve ever heard. This should be shown in our schools here in the US. I stayed up way past my bedtime to listen to this.
You two should join together as a team and invite other guests and have open discussions every month!
Absolutely enjoyed this as a fellow history nerd! Always enjoy learning the complexities of the past that is very much intertwined into the present! Ty for sharing this good sir! To both of you gentleman, keep up the good work!
Laurence is brilliant! Such an enlightening conversation!
Thank you both!
These interviews are absolutely amazing. Thank you Laurence and Richard. For doing what you do x
So eye opening and informative! Thank you, we need more of this! Real undoctored history! Also love the ironic laughter coming from on and off camera..." Get the flag Harold!" Great balance and delivery. Great interview.
Thank you from the land of OZ this is a conversation that we also need to share - appreciating your depth and character gentlemen...
Fantastic & thought provoking.. thank you, gentlemen.
I now need to backtrack and watch the previous conversation.
My take is No more sweeping under the carpet... Dirt naturally exists.and some shit really stinks but if we just wilfully learn to do our part in keeping it reasonably n responsibly clean, though tedious however definitely rewardingly refreshing for one and all.... Much 💛Guys!!!🥂
It just occurred to me it should be noted here in America women were not allowed to vote until recent times and my own mother was not “ALLOWED “ to get a loan in the 1970’s. That blew my mind!!
Thank you for this second conversation. I loved the first one. And loved this one too. More of this please Richard. People need this more than we think. 💜🙏💜
Loved this and the last talk, easy flowing and relaxed. I hope you take up the offer of doing a walk with Laurence.
If we are truly being honest then the Irish taken to the Caribbean as slaves should be acknowledged on this plaque
Ty. 🙏💕
Agree
Another interesting interview. This time I'm happy the Caribbean got more attention. Thank you Laurence for your eye opening information. And as Richard said that I agree, absolutely handsome 😊😊.
Excellent conversation. Thank you Richard Grannon.
This was brilliant.
I have not heard many conversations with such balanced perspective, historically and personally.
This was a fascinating discussion, learnt alot that i didn't previously know, wish i would have had this guy as my history teacher when I was at school! Love from Manchester UK
Really enjoyed listening to your conversation again!
" Get the flag Herold" 😂😂😅
I can´t wait for the third part. Just GOOOOO, was great!
Interesting conversation but Laurence was way off with the demographics of the early United States. The United States were never majority black! The United States was 19.3% black in 1790, 92% of which were enslaved (17.8% of the U.S.). From there the white population slowly increased as a percentage until about 1940 when 89.8% were white and 9.8% were black.
Apologies, I should have said British America. Trevor Burnard highlights the disparity between black and white immigration figures in his 2015 book 'Planters, Merchants and Slaves'. p150-151. I have posted screenshots of the two pages in the Liverpool and Slavery Facebook group. "Migration to British America was dominated by African migrants during the long eighteenth century from 1676 to 1820 69.5 percent of 3,665,800 migrants were African."
Such an interesting and enlightening conversation,thank you 🙏🏼
This needs sharing of ideas between these two men is a godsend, this needs to pick up as much momentum as possible. A podcast? guests?
hello, im a new subscriber and glad to be hear ,,im a trained intergraded therapist pca cbt psycho dynamic , also interested in many other approaches fed up of listening to disingenuous persons attempting to latch on self development as way to make money without regard for the potential harm they can cause, but this here was very refreshing two men listening and interacting together well, will text further when have time , thanks
I've never met a thick scouser. Liverpudlians are amongst THE most charming, warm, engaging and intersting people I've ever met in my life.
This is one of the best podcast I've ever listened too! Absolutely fantastic, dead interesting 👏 👍 and you both are extremely intelligent!! Thank you guys absolutely love it!
I believe some of the founding fathers struggled with the fact there were not going to be a structure to foster integration or means to set up freed people with healthy structure .
Great conversation. The field of Comparative and International Education (CIE) deals with this a lot.
Billie Holiday was told not to sing Strange Fruit but she didn't stop resulting in the government delegitimizing her
Southern trees bear a strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black bodies swingin' in the Southern breeze
Strange fruit hangin' from the poplar trees
Pastoral scene of the gallant South
The bulgin' eyes and the twisted mouth
Scent of magnolias sweet and fresh
Then the sudden smell of burnin' flesh
Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck
For the rain to gather
For the wind to suck
For the sun to rot
For the tree to drop
Here is a strange and bitter crop
This was so good ✨
I do hope Richard that you ask Lawrence's opinion on the continuing racism directed towards white South African farmers, who have had their homes burnt to the ground and have even been murdered
Racism isn't reserved for just one colour
Laurence is an expert on Liverpool Slavery History and this conversation is about Liverpool, America and Caribbean - but if you listen we cover this issue of "racism" being owned by own group as utter nonsense.
"Team Mentality" based around race makes us all dumber and weaker. Evil is evil.
"If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
@@RICHARDGRANNON It's no coincidence that there has been a "pandemic" and BLM was introduced, which does nothing for the real poor black people all over the world..Their "leader" was just a hypocrite millionaire,as are all the black and white sports people who know nothing of living hand to mouth, and seeing their kids barely able to eat
My nan lived in Windsor view in toxteth for years, my uncles all had black mates, and if you look at people being unified for a cause, both black and white,it was during the riots
I hope you dont think im having a go at you or Lawrence,because I've met him, as I worked in a music shop in Liverpool for years
I will just leave this, that I lived in Yorkshire,and bullied by two white lad,a black lad, a Sikh and a jewish lad.Sounds like the start of a bad joke, and they have left their pyscholgical mark upon my mind, which I am always trying to fight..
The point being is, i didnt think any of the other lads who weren't white, were worse than those two white lads,i didnt see colour,i just saw evil scumbags
Again,that wasn't written as some sort of attack,i just wanted to see what he might think,as I know from experience, he is a very open minded man
Hi Barry, good hearing from you mate and I hope you're well. I'm not an authority on South Africa but it seems really disingenuous to think about what is going on in South Africa, Zimbabwe and other former colonies that oppressed people based on race without taking into consideration the terrible and long history of racism in those nations. I certainly do not condone any type of racial violence in South Africa or anywhere else, but to suggest that it is somehow equivalent to what went on under Apartheid and colonialism before then is incorrect. It is cause and effect, SA is only 27 years old as a free and egalitarian nation, it will take centuries before racism and the violence it creates no longer rears its head in that country. You cannot look at the situation over there today in a historical vacuum. I think it would be really naive to think that once black people were allowed to vote in SA that suddenly racism amongst either group would disappear overnight. There is hatred in South Africa because one group were taught that they were superior to another and oppressed the other because of it. The minority commandeered all the resources of that nation (including stealing land and farms) and continue to hold most of the wealth to this day because after freedom there was no redistribution of wealth. South Africa set up the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in order to begin the process of healing, but can you genuinely say that if you and your family had suffered extreme oppression, state sponsored murder, terror and lack of opportunity based on your skin colour that you would not feel any hatred towards your oppressors just because you were now free to vote whilst living in poverty? Would you be happy to live in a society in which the minority who stole all the wealth kept all the wealth they had previously acquired just because you were now "free?" Think that is very unrealistic given the circumstances and as poverty leads to most economic crime it is pretty inevitable that as long as the majority has to struggle with scarce resources the type of racist attacks we see on farmers in SA and Zimbabwe will continue to be a problem. Of course all that is of no comfort to the people who have been murdered and their families, but it is an inevitable consequence of centuries of racism from the minority towards the majority. Absolute powerlessness corrupts, just as absolute power does. What is the solution apart from time and wealth redistribution? I don't know.
@@laurencewestgaph7803 hi mate..like I said originally it was not meant as to attack anybody, because im just tired of racism always seeming to be one way..That every white person is bad...You met me,was I a bad person?.
Now,that doesn't mean I condone attacks on black people, or do I ever agree with what happened in the past, because I was bullied and shamed, by all different colours as I mentioned in my post
Of course,my bullying is small in comparison in what has happened to black people and indeed Jewish people, which I have in my family..
The first concentration camps were set up in the Boer war, by the British army,and that is forgotten..I do agree with you that no matter your colour,you would feel hatred to your oppressors...That's why BLM is not for black people..Look at their leader..A multimillionaire hypocrite who couldnt care less if kids in the poorest areas of America even get to eat three meals a day
There is far too much division, created by the ones who are in control of the world,because they fear a united people of all colours coming together to take back what we are all owed..
As I said, i was in Windsor view at my nans when they were maisonettes and black and white lived together in harmony...The riots unified people, because they were sick of the tory government, which is no better than labour, because as you point out,none of them care about us, and if only people took the time to get away from the various magic trick distractions and start protesting, about things that really matter, maybe humanity wouldnt be as divided..
But,because they wont, because their lives are mapped out for them..Stupid is now the new intelligent..Adults are acting like kids, and take no responsibility for their actions..The world is at a boiling point,created by scum who laugh at people who dare to question their motives
Mate,you've put it far more eloquently than I ever could..If you think im a racist, then I cant change your mind, but im not, because I've been insulted, mocked,and battered for three years, because of the way I looked and talked, and I understand what its like to feel belittled, but in no way am I comparing my experiences of bullying to what black people have gone through...I wanted vengeance on these scumbags for years, to make them pay and suffer,so I do have a small amount of comprehension as to why black people feel so angry and bitter, because there have been some awful white people who only cared about money, and lived in ignorance and fear
It's good to hear from you..
@Barry hi fellow safa 👋
Just my little comment having lived through both a "white" nationalist government and a seemingly socialist leaning "black" government, just my experience I was never "white" enough during the NP rule and why did i not 'praat die taal rooinek' hearing stories of how my father had to show his tanline at the border because the state mps wouldnt let him through because he was "too black", the state tapping our phone back in the day because my father was born in Mozambique, currently i am too "white" apparently while simultaneously not being able to get a job in Africa because I cant speak Mandarin 🤔, I sadly cannot make myself disappear but it would be nice to not be judged on my colour like my father was before me and all my achievements attributed to my assumed privilege. My grandfather left Brazil because he wanted a better life for his family. Racism just divides us more to the benefit of the "chosen ones" throughout history 💔 Nkosi sikhele South Afrika I pray for our farmers, the state wants to control our food I believe and these attacks are most likely sanctioned by the government. No proof however.
Not only is “one drop” a rule that grades people’s race down to 1/32nd, but is also a really cool/famous reggae drum beat originating in Jamaica and popularized by Bob Marley, where there is nothing played on the first beat, hence the name “one drop” since the beat that falls on the one is “dropped” or taken out.
My Gooooddd 😱!!! If intelligence was porn this would be it for me😂😂!!!! Absolutely fantastic ❤️🤗!!!
Agreed...And it doesn’t hurt that they are BOTH very easy on the eye 😍😍
Was thinking about what Patrice said about Liverpool for the whole 4 hours of these interviews and then you mentioned it can't believe it😂. It was from a pretty obscure O&A episode if I remember.
I’ve listened to all Patrice’s stuff. He mentions Liverpool on o+a, black Phillip and in stand up
@@RICHARDGRANNON Mad respect, I gotta get around to getting that Mr.P tattoo... I just don't know where
These maroons being called upon to get back other blacks sounds like my Crow people were called on to ride with Custer . Many did this to maintain warrior class and not be in desolation
@Research Futures All quite true ... though let us agree ,that the deciding factor behind the planning to clear & settle the "wild natives" was not merely native rivalries . Manifest destiny sure harnessed the rivalries .
I had read that within the Crow there had been a "vision" that these strangers would come and be so very numerous . They'd either wipe the Crow out. Or their people could partner as this unfolded. Guess it was pretty multifaceted an issue.
RIP Brandon Lee
great series - I look forward to more discussions
Love, love, love this talk. More please.
Brilliant discussion -- thanks
I wish that this interview focused more on how the past, effects us today. How the traumas endured by our ancestors still echo emotionally/spiritually in us today. Regarding America's Founding Fathers, - I have compassion for their conundrum; first because we each get caught up in the social machinery of our times; secondly because the Southern States would never have joined the Revolution if their slaves were set free immediately; thirdly the Slaves were property and not human, so a system to financially compensate the Plantation owners needed
to be established. The Founding Fathers began work with what was an imperfect Union with the understanding that slavery was the issue which would be later addressed. They chose half a loaf rather than none. Slavery was outlawed early in the New England States because the North became industrialized early on and northern families didn't own as many slaves. Some books I've read say that Soutthern Slavery would have died out earlier but Eli Whitney invented the Cotton Gin which made cotton growing plantations suddenly more profitable - needing to keep their slaves. I love this subject because it gets to the core of the American psyche today.
If we can unravel this issue perhaps we can all heal.
All in all, brilliant and enlightening! Thanks to Richard and Laurence.
...Lest we forget, as they say, because for all intent and purpose, yes history does have a way of repeating itself (let's not blame history itself).
I think nations and alike fighting and competing for identity, shows the lack of; so what am I really, must be a personal question... ?
Thanks again to Laurence, for the opportunity to donate to the commemorative plaque for the slaves who lived and died in Liverpool
I really love this series of interviews I hope you will keep doing them :)
I have really enjoyed both of these talks. There seems to be a serious inability to look at history in an adult context and without all the filters we have been conditioned to view the world through. I don't think it helps when people come out with terms such as "whataboutism". I think there are many reason people raise other incidents when we talk about the trans-Atlantic slave trade in particular. It may be for some a deflection from personal shame and guilt, but I think it is the guilt and shame that is being projected onto people and many people feel they need to defend themselves from this attack. There seems to be a serious lack of open conversations around it. It is either completely ignored or is used as an example to guilt and shame a whole section of society and at the same time victimising another. As Richard went into in the R complex, we are continually being bombarding with the rod of guilt and the flail of shame. We need to accept that we are all human and humans do some weird, horrible and good things. Look at Churchill, he is constantly being attacked for the bad things he was involved with, even standing up to the Nazi's doesn't give him a free pass. Rather than accepting he was a complex character who did some great things and some bad things (just like every other human that has ever lived), we either completely ignore the good or bad.
Britain, just like Churchill did some great things but it was also involved in a lot of bad. We should be able to talk about both without the filters of guilt and shame.
These have been great conversations, we need more like this on a wise range of topics. I hope you do a third part.
I look forward to watching this interview 🙌
Hello, how are you?
really good guys. eye opener :-)
Laurence is fascinating to listen to.
13 mins in Richards been word punched! never seen him this baffled
Laurence is absolutely awesome 💕 fascinating guy, amazing attitude, fabulous accent. Love from London
Most ppl nowadays don't understand how does it feel to live without basic freedoms, they don't understand protecting a nation from "others" used to be and still is to this day a necessity. There are still places though where ppl understand that nationalism is not an abstract idea and it's there for a reason. After some time under the dictatorship of "others", you understand that your homeland is your home really. Protecting it with borders is a sensible thing to do if you wanna feel at home and keep your freedom.
You mean keep your " privilege". Not freedom. The planet is not yours. In reality you are restricting others freedom of movement. But you are so entiteled and brainwashed that you even think you are hero of freedom. In a real free world there is no boarders, and rights is based on privat property. Not " kollektivism". Nasjonalism is a real thing, but there is always conflicts and wars. Wars that`s based on the logic you are having. I don`t think you even know what the word freedom means. Your identity is just based on collectiv narcissism and fear of other groups who is also based on the same collectiv narcissism.
This is post colonial AF! Love it! Please consider inviting Fred Wilson in conversation with Laurence. That would be out of this world! :)
Great chat.
Haiti I hope will be discussed as a key player in this paradigm.
Educating, Refreshing , Poignant !
Merci !!
The lovely children's book, jump at the sun, introduced me to Zora Neale Hurston who you may perhaps already be aquatinted w/. I look forward to perusing her work. Among the works listed is Barracoon: The Story of the Last Black Cargo. Thank you for this insightful interview.
It is understandable that whites of North European descent have an American identity because why would someone who did not go there freely identify with that country? Re: immigration: it wasn't only racial discrimination until fairly recently, it was anyone who was not an Anglo/northern European including "white" Catholics and Asians and yes, it was to preserve the protestant origin of the nation. After all the founders fled from Catholicism.
The little known story of Abraham Lincoln wanting to "deport", in actuality repatriate slaves to Africa may sound terrible, but he and many others thought the plan to be humane. Since the 1920's US immigration laws have been changed to serve the capitalist corporate elite. Same in the UK. The medical brain drain from east to west is all part of the false "captalist" construction we live in. In sourcing workers will always hurts the local population, including now American blacks.
Thank you !!!!this was fantastic so interesting and learned so much.
Thank you. This is very true.
Really good episode!
YaY, love this! Thank You!!🧜♀️✌️
Hello, how are you?
Germany is such a beautiful country, friendly, generous people. Yet when I’m there, I can’t help feel sadened by the apologetic nature of many of the people. Literally like the old Harry Enfield sketch.
Amazing again! Thanks to you both! 🙏
Your depiction of the US is a birds eye view without context.. You are both great thinkers.. You could do much better on US history... As for the carribean and England, I do not know enough.. I believe the guest is an expert on those topics..
In the Spanish colonies, a Cimarron was a runaway slave
Awesome - thank you both - excellent
There are machines to harvest sugar cane. Have been around for almost 100 yrs, invented in Australia.
Don’t be careful what you say about America. We need to hear more of what everyone else thinks about America than what America thinks about everyone else.
Exactly!
Seriously.
Ahhhh the memories.....
Waarrriorrrssss!!! Come out and plaaaaaayyyy!
1:39:00 onwards....frickin Gold 🔥🌜🌟
Fantastic, thank you!
Quadroon ext were also native American. Native American and black both got labeled the same
The Asda self checkout needs the luddites! The postie in Liverpool one is the worst self service in the city!!
Also once politicians are envolved all charities and good projects are manipulated to suit their purpose.
Wow! Not missing out on this.
Fascinating sharp smart
Why is "black" still an okay term? Half cast is dated but isn't "black" as well?
"Half cast" people have become "black" now. 🙄
@@naillijseer so basically they just imported America's "1 Drop Rule"? Got it
Brilliant
Where is it?
6/8/21
Free state of Jones
God love us, we can get to the moon , but not invent something for harvesting Cane .
Right!!!!!
We never went to the Moon.. 😜
Yes, being honest and accurate about the past does not equate condemnation or blame, it is simply a statement of fact……… 🌀♥️🌀 What might be possible if the dominate construct for the concept of power was redefined, i.e., power as an infinite resource that is available to ALL entities… ??
There was a forced labor camp found recently in Palatka Florida USA
They are developing others in CA, USA, it was on a billboard. Its scary.
Blacks in the north lived free. Blacks in the north owned businesses. Lots of blacks were in politics in the south.
This is the good stuff....
I suggest thinking of the facts void of tonal judgment as a person who is in the teacher position and seriously reported as the way News used to be.I am tripping to see high silly drama.
How about New Zealand? We wont be allowed to see nor comment soon. Im English, Scottish, German and indigenous Maori.
or put the tread I cant find now about how you visited. Kia ora
Fyi... Look up democratic party and slavery... That is what Lincoln and our British forefathers were up against... So much gets lost in the conversation.. Political science would be helpful in understanding democracy and what happens when societies move too far left... The roots of slavery are much deeper and wider than the history in the US.. I am in the conservative school of thought... We do not have a history of slavery, socialism... I think it is more accurate and productive to discuss the attrocities of all countries in terms of type of government because that is what gives men of all races the power to do evil. You can bank on that. History will prove I am right. African slavery alone has many groups and countries around the world that participated, and it reached the west onlly after 1500 years of just the Arab slave trade of Africans. It is very misleading today and dangerous for the woke to imply it is brown amd black against white people. I believe in accountability for all people.. The large majority of white people in the US alone and around the world never owned a black slave. 365000 Americal white men died to free slaves. It would be arrogant and misleading to portray white people as the culprits of slavery.. Young black, brown and white men need to know what they are up against and ot is not at all eachother. It is power, greed and government that does not check and balance. History will prove my statement accurate.. Knowledge with virtue set us all free. Finally, i am an American.. I cannot speak for all white people, but being racist in shunned her, so you will not come here and find many racist white people. If you bring up George Flloyd. He was a drug addict with a long and violent rapp sheet.. The police were not going to treat him with kid gloves wether white or black.the officers knee was not on his neck.. A whit man died the same way as floyd under the same conditions.. They were both on heavy and dangerous drugs. Police should be trained that restraining a person on heave drugs has limitations, but i do not believe it was the police officers intent to kill at all.. Stattics are proof that the police here are by very far not racist. So i disagree with you guest tat the US is some how inherantly racist...if we loom at the history of almost all countries, than we would all be inherantly racist.. It truly depends on who has power and if there are checks and balances... We have a population here of whites and blackes living in American socialism. They feel stuck.. Please dont tell them inaccurately that it is racism.. Use urselves as examples of what education can do for you.. Inspire them to take responsibily for their future. They are at a disadvantage.. Many have no fathers.. American socialis is failing young people in the prime of their life.. They need to be introduced to the wonders of history and psychology so they develop.passions lime the 2 of u..
Also, it depends on the time and place how slaves were treated... You had brutal slave owners around the world and owners who treated their slaves with dignity. Some slaves did not leave the plantation and opted to stay, since the conditions were not brutal.. While not ideal, practical is another facto that plays into the picture.. An intellectal person needs to put things in context.. Education is KEY to keep this evil from happening again... History is not taught well to children around the world.. So we have many assumptions that can lead down a rabbit hole..
I think people are generally defencive, myself included at times, because it's now levelled at us one-sidely against our very foundations of us as individuals, our country, and our values (though, this could be due to the fact that it was majoritively positive beforehand). When you also understand many of the socialistic roots in this push, it's hard to give it a pass.
I believe some slave owners could get in trouble if they allowed or didn't suppress the ability for slaves to read . It was weird coming and going .
True. Slave owners who had titles were allowed under some conditions. Or it may have been secretive. 🤔