Italians versus the Irish | Mafia Don Raymond L.S. Patriarca | Federal Hill Providence, Rhode Island
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- 🎥 From the documentary "ITALIAN AMERICANS AND FEDERAL HILL"
🎬 For Providence Rhode Island's Italians and Irish, Broadway was the line of demarcation. Judge Frank Caprio, Buddy Cianci and others give firsthand accounts of life on Federal Hill during the Raymond Patriarca era and the impact it had on the city of Providence, RI.
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My Irish family grew up in Providence. It was a 2-way street between the Irish and the Italians, both the love in some and the hatred in others.
@@ronobrien7187 me to
Anytime old people say "I don't know if I should say this" you know it's gonna be good. Love em ❤
Haha so true!
My grandfather was a full blood Italian and my grandma full blooded Irish. They lived across the street from each other on Penn Street behind the Hill. She eventually got respect she was Irish but she learned to cook like an Italian.
Did they experience challenges when they first became a couple? Like did your grandfather have Irish guys wanting to beat him up for talking to one of "their" girls?
Piss off cook like a Italian go fuk yourself
at least she's out the "race" i guess
Grew up in an Irish neighborhood in the Bronx....we fought italians and albanians...we all got along as we got older
@@raymondrocco8607well yeah because we're all just "white" to the jews and blacks these days with their communist b s
Im from Hells Kitchen but by best friend whose irish lived on bambridge st in the Bronx. One of the last families left there. Alot moved to Woodside, Queens.
Me and my family are from the Bronx
I am German descent and my wife is of Italian extraction. In Boston, my sister lived in the Italian section called the North End on Hanover Street where she had an apartment. When she walked home from work at night guys would follow her to make sure she got home safely. I never had to worry about her. If someone went into the North End looking for trouble they would get more then they bargained for. I am sure it is different now and not for the better!
I'm the same combination Sicilian/German. I've heard every obvious, stereotypical joke in the world pertaining to it. Ironically, whether it was the teller's intention or not, most could be taken somewhat complimentary, frankly. I don't remember any of insinuation of weakness, &or being fearful of anything, lol. You make a valid point about the safety of the (most Mobbed up in particular) neighborhood's for women and children. It just wasn't going to be acceptable, period.
I'm still in the dark about how that's somehow flawed thinking......
So true, In the Bronx Little Italy from the 60's through the 80's everyone was able to leave their apartments open and everyone looked out for each other. Keep in mind that this is a little enclave within the south Bronx and it was once listed as the safest area in the USA.
East Boston which was jst as if not more Italian then the north end all my family has moved because it has become almost 100% Spanish complete shit hold....north end hasn't changed as much but it's getting there...sad
@@gio1985s💯 ruined.. but the north end is still nice.. as nice, no. Nice still , yes
@@discernment8963it's impossible to make any racial jokes against Germans or Italians that bother us. We have everything to be proud of.
Grew up in an Italian American family. Learned many valuable life lessons that benefited me through my 65 years.
Is it true what president Nixon said about Italians?
@@capoislamort100My friend, Nixon is what we called ( whiteheads ). People that don’t cry at funerals. And also the wives & mothers will leave their kids and run off with truck driver . Where in a ethnic type the mother never leaves the children. No matter what . Latino , Italian, Black , etc… The Mother is the stable backbone of the family . The wasp ( white Anglo Saxon Protestant ) are a strange cold group of people . Not my opinion but historical truth . Not hugging type . Oh well enough of the truth. Later
As an Irishman I can say Italians are great Americans and vice versa. Earlier generations of immigrants were witnessing different cultures for the first time and were hostile and felt threatened by and to each other but as a the melting pot worked it's magic we saw the advantages each brought to OUR country.
8:25 I love what judge Caprio says “I did not affect the quality of life as far as safety, if anything it IMPROVED the quality of life”
If a bunch of Irish started moving into a majority Italian neighborhood and started taking jobs from the locals that were already there they'd do the exact same thing; it's just human nature.
That doesn’t make it right though.
What's your point? It's called life sometimes it's hard@@oladeebiazazi4538
As an Irishman living in Ireland we have a small Italian community here and we love them
The Irish Irish love everyone and everyone loves them, when my grandparents immigrated from Dublin and Belfast, everyone hated the Irish.
They used to hang signs and post ads in papers saying...
"Irish need not apply"
"No N*****s
No Dogs
No Irish"
During the 1860s Irish immigrants comprised 60% of all arrests in New York City
America is a land of immigrants and we love to hate and bully the newest immigrants, and then they become one of us..
Were a pretty nuts country if you haven't noticed already 😂😂
Aye,but unfortunately you hate everybody else!
@@callummccormick8211 just the English 👍
@@Yourballix That's fair enough! 👍
Ironically I went to high school in providence and I’m from suburbs of Boston. I call it guidoville. Also to many Dominicans… they’re alright ppl
If it wasn't for the Italians, the Irish would have never learned they had taste buds. I'm 2nd-gen Irish,BTW.
don't be disrespectful of your culture. I'm not Irish either
You are not Irish you are American. Simple as that
Tomato 🍅 🍅 🍅 🍅 🍅
Not gourmet food
So true. we used to have spaghetti with tomato soup mixed in.
Sad back in the day. I'm Irish lived in a mixed community in Bklyn we got along .I love the italian culture. That was fifties. Eveyond looked out for eah other. Organised crime was around us but we just went about our business. Know problems. My parents they had some issue but I had s opened ming and was a very curious child. I married Irish but my family is actually multicultural its awesome. 71 oraying for the judge he has Cancer. God Look over him. I love his show .There is one social club left in my community its sad because it is community.
Very similar situation in the North End of Boston back in the day. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY dared get out of line when that area was "protected" by a certain family. It's still a safe area, but not as safe as it was back then.
Wasn't safe for any of the businesses that got extorted or for any citizens that got in their way.
@@del2665neighborhood business, were fine..
Neighborhood civilians were not messed with...
I love Italian people,,,,Iam very proud.
I love Italian folk, and I'm not Italian.
@@jackj5368 thank s bro
If Raymond and Buddy were still alive, Providence would be a safer place to visit.
So true
Yup...my mother grew up across the street from Raymond. Everyone says they wish "they" were still in power in federal hill it would be safer.
@anthonyp2544 yeah I hear that all the time. They watched out for the neighborhood
No doubt about it.
Maybe
Keep the documentaries coming they are great!
My dad was Italian and my mom was Italian/Irish
I identify more with my Italian heritage and look Italian with my curly dark brown hair and brown eyes
Proud of my heritage
We still are not totally accepted by our wasp neighbors
Love this. I grew up in Mount Pleasant, in the house my mother grew up in. She was Irish and French, born in 1906 and she told me that when she was growing up, girls would be disowned if they married an Italian. Also appreciated the gentleman's remarks about how hard people had it then. My Irish grandmother, an orphan, started work at 12 in a Taftville, CT mill and she lost two fingers while working here. I belong to a RI history Facebook group and child labor came up. I couldn't believe how many people had grandparents or even parents who started work at 12 or 13. The labor exploitation and discrimination by the Yankees was unbelievable.
true.
From Antiquity, through the Renaissance, through Modern Times,
We INVENTED the World.
🇮🇹🐐🇺🇲💯
But have always been one of the weakest militaries to this day ....... I believe the AMERICANS liberated them from the Krauts , nobody's leaving the U. S. for a better life in Italy
The Western World. But, yes!
“We”
My great grandmother came here as a child from Italy … nobody had anything. Over the years she owned at one point 5 houses in the same neighborhood, worked and hustled every job.. infact she’d loan money to people for a little tax. When she died she left everyone a fat check. Amazing. My old man wouldn’t eat at her house because she was always cooking chicken kidneys, tripe etc
I'm 100% Irish American (from da Bronx) and married a full 100% wop. My parents weren't happy when they heard I was dating an eye-talian, saying they'd prefer me to "marry a White girl". Funny thing is, my eye-talian brothers in law are all short and pudgy with greased back hair (what's left of it), but I truly love my in-laws and my parents came around to love them as well. My in-laws refuse to let a "mick" into the kitchen, which is fine by me. And oh my God, never in my life have I seen such quantities of food as when my wife and her family cook for holidays.
I grew up in the Italian section of Pelham Bay and if you didn't belong there and started trouble, you got your Ass kicked LOL , The movie , Bronx Tale was 100 percent accurate . Moving over the Whitestone Bridge to Whitestone Queens was the best move My parents ever made. It was so much nicer and you had Italians, Germans and Irish unlike Today with All the Chinese .
You must be very old.
You paddy mick potato stuffer. 😂 yes you may call me whatever you like.
@@themaskedman221 nope. Early 40s.
@@bkeen7013 Yet you use slang that's been out of date by more than 50 years.You're full of sh*t.
The Italians built Providence RI.
Are you kidding?? The Italians over one hundred years ago, found others with the same dialect, at their local catholic church. Extremely dedicated to the family, safe neighborhood, hard working people. 💪❤
Not just Providence but pretty much most of the North Shore in Mass.
The irish nd Italians in America had a beef that didn't exist back in Europe. They were both catholic nd treated like shit nd America has a way of pitting groups against eachother that should logically be allies. It still happens now.
...... and yet they don't leave
In reality, the Irish were more likely to inflict violence on other groups than to have violence inflicted on them. And most of the pushback against Italians came from the Irish themselves, who did not actually care about sharing a "religion" (Irish-American Catholicism was vastly different than the Catholicism of Italian immigrants). The important point here is that the Irish and Italians learned to get along with each other and, through marriage, made peace and progress. Both groups did very, very well in America, and are among the most successful in terms of wealth/income in the Northeast.
@themaskedman221 Irish possess deeply rooted demons that are exacerbated by alcohol and drugs. There are studies that have shown trauma affects DNA especially generational trauma. Irish history is tragic n brutal yet in it's face they're quite positive, jovial, funny ppl... until they're not. That propensity for violence is in the DNA.
It's called divide and conquer. If you've got two groups of oppressed people and you can convince them both that the other group is responsible for all their problems they won't bother the people who are really oppressing them😅
In Europe they were too far apart, they had no contact but if they did I'm sure they would have had conflict.
My moms family came from Southern Italy and lived in Frankford in Philly. Irish and italian neighborhood. Two Catholic Churches within a few blocks of each other. One for Irish and one for Italians, mainly because italian priests spoke the language.
Mr. Patriarca helped a lot of poorer people especially in South Boston and Dorchester. Mr. Patriarca owned “Coinomatic” vending machines outta Federal Hill RI. Great man!
He was a scumbag
In America you have this image of the guineas.
The Hollywood caricature of Italians.
At the very best, they looked like SOME sicilians and calabrians.
In reality, most of the actors were middle easterners. Sephardic jews, lebaneses, sirians and so on.
1:45 lol I shouldn’t say this …1 sec… “starts talking. I love it
Honestly growing up Italian American, unlike other groups, there was a strong sense of pride, even a superiority to the WASPS lol. We had it all, deep deep roots in culture, history. The coolest cars came from Italy. The food is still the best in the world imo, far superior to northern Europe. We basically have the intellect and organizational skills of the northerners but with a sense of art/fashion/style that makes the world envy.. bottom line is, Italian Americans are impossible to upset with racism because if my racial stereotype is John Gotti well that's pretty fuckin cool to me lol
Couldn't agree more😃👍😁👍✨💯✨🌛
You know what’s crazy that Nixon said that . South Italians and Greeks literally have the same dna , the fact our own president felt that way about Italians is despicable . Can only imagine what he said about Greeks . Una faccia una razza 🇬🇷🇮🇹🇺🇸
I've learned to take Nixon's ethnic blurting with a grain of salt. The dude lived in a White House built on Palladian architecture. He also made derogatory remarks about the Irish, yet went to Ireland to visit his "ancestral home," and was a big admirer of Kennedy later in life. I think that this sort of rhetoric was often inconsistent with actions -which is bizarre, but apparently typical in the 70s (or so I've heard).
southern italians do have some greek dna from when they had colonies there .
Don't look into how Teddy Roosevelt felt about Italians.
Ethnic peoples were manipulated against each other. Italian and Irish should have had affinities
I'm irish from Brooklyn. The irish and Italians have USUALLY gotten along, even the ballbusting was done in jest
I always felt safe on the hill. Only time I was nervous was when as a courrier I made a delivery to a restaurant and Mr. Patricia was dining. . One of his guard took the delivery and said you didn't see anything or anyone.
Once Ross prio passed away It was open season on Tokyo Joe... 😯
Great video Thank you
My dad came from a French Canadian family from Olneyville, but he spent a lot of time on the hill on Atwells. My grandmother met Patriarca back in the 1940's, she was petrified of him.
the filthy french😂
My Dad too , from Burrville , I was born in Woonsocket , luckily moved to Fla. when was a kid
...I grew up in Olneyville, you are correct & blessed... ...Artist, Old Naples Florida🌴🎨
......You weren't lucky brother Peter, You were & still are blessed... ...Artist, Old Naples Florida @@peterherard8207 🌴🎨
My step dad was an Italian American. He was the greatest man ive ever known. Humble, Modest, Honest, and NOBODY worked harder.
That’s the judge from all the shorts, being nice to the people
My Dad /Grandfather came from Ireland... No Irish need apply... Italians did not see those signs,...Grew up from Italians ... all from the old country... Got along great with them...
The Italian signs read "Blacks 10 cents an hour and Italian 5 cents and hour"
The Irish did see those "signs" either. This is a myth.
The Irish need to ask the question…. Why were we they treated differently all around the world?….no disrespect to the Irish but it was for a reason.
Cos we take no shit bro
11:53 “the neighborhood was protected and safe, etc….” Now present day look at our neighborhoods, crime and drug ridden, thanks to the Feds enforcing the rico act. A lot of people yearn, and wish “The boys” were still around.
I had an Irish grandmother, and an Italian mother. Love both sides.
Wow a young judge caprio. He has that judge show now.
No, he retired
Yeah he was a joke then and he's still a paid for piece of shit now!
Caprio family the beast!! ClassicsRI.!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤
I wonder what year (s) this was filmed. ??
This is crazy to hear living in Providence Rhode Island my whole life being irish on my Moms side and Italian on my dads side. I came up late enough to avoid most of this nationality based violence.
❤ his Honor Judge Caprio.
Isnt it crazy how the irish and italians fought each other in america but yet in Europe there best of friends ,,,
Plus of all of the mixed nationalities with Italian, Irish-Italian had the most mixed marriages
@@giovannidibravato5576 Um, the Irish and Italians had "mixed marriages" in areas where a lot of Italians and Irish settled. The Irish settled all over the country (Italians predominately in the Northeast), so no it is not the most common of mixed marriages in the US overall. In the Midwest, where there was a lot of German settlements, German-Irish marriages will be more common than Irish-Italian.
Unfortunately that's not true
I don’t know what you’re talking about but I smoked but I I’m sure you don’t know what your talking about
Grew up in South Philly most of my friends were Irish and Italian we never had problems ! I can cook Italian food better than most Italians , some of the greatest dishes ever ! Even collected debts for Blinky Palermo !
Watch your God damned mouth...oh ok nevermind.
Patriarca looks like a guy who never smiled once in his life.
You did not mess around in Federal Hill back in the day…I went back a few weeks ago to drive through I wanted to throw up at the filth living there now…
Many Places you didn't want to mess around back in those Days. John Gotti' section of Howard Beach Queens NY , You didn't even see a Gum Wrapper or cigarette butt in the streets. You could leave the door open in your home at night and nothing would happen . Even the Cops stayed away and were never called !
Worse filth living there back then
@@del2665BS 😆 🤣
@@raymondrocco8607gotta love our people. We definately have a thing for keeping up property values!!
@@ugaais fed hill sucks now..
I was never treated differently because I was Irish, but I was incredibly handsome, and I got some grief for that.
As a matter of fact I still do!
It wasn’t your handsomeness. It was your modesty!!🙄
😲😲🙄🙄😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was born in providence Rhode Island went to schools there even Mt pleasant use to go rocky point on weekends I lived on vanburan st providence rod the bus moved away lived in GA 33 years
Take the last beer!!🎉🎉🎉??😂😂❤
Right of passage as an American if you ask me, is a form of hazing that keeps the country strong. Look at how well the Irish and Italians have assimilated.
That shit isn't going to happen with the jungle races so forget about it.
And the Irish went thru it too….. in NYC… watch “Gangs of New York”
I remember the part where the Irish were lynching blacks in the streets during the drafts riot.
Yes, let's all learn history from Hollywood historical fiction. Your teachers must be so proud of you.
What about the Irish and Italian Catholic clergy? Didn't they try and smooth things over? The Dioceses must have met many times over the years to deal with any on-going issues. The "wealthy" Irish lady who sat on her porch and spat at the Italian woman would have received a harsh tongue lashing from the Irish clergy I know.
Being Half Irish And Half Italian , I punch my self in the face and I don't know why ?!?!
😅😊😅
Absolutely brutal!😂 I.
'm half irish and italian
Luv my Italian brothers and sisters, together better!
Love listening to Italian politicians, judges and pastors speak lovingly about a murderer… never change Italians 😂
I’m Irish I like the Italians good Catholics.
I'm Irish and Italian ❤
IF RAYMOND WAS ALIVE TODAY, THINGS WOULD BE ALOT DIFFERENT in prov. AND ELSEWHERE.
NIXON STILL DROPPING ONE LINERS AND I WASN'T EVEN BORN WHEN HE RESIGNED 😂
...Nixon was always on the take ...No different then Joe Biden...
Apparently there were Jewish mafia bosses too. I'd love to see a doc on that. 😊
It's called the DNC.
Raymond was the top boss in U.S.
He was the final word about any beefs among large LCN families throughout the country.
Haha! The Irish are famous for not being clannish when it comes to intermarriage. Im Irish, my wife is Spanish and we have three adopted Russian children. I even live in Spain.
I've been all over Italy and never had a problem.
The Irish gansters worked with anyone and we never had all those rules the Italians had and that made upward mobility much easier.
Anyone watched Brotherhood? Amazing show kinda like an Irish Soapranos
What year was this made?
Ayyyy my uncle John!
Interesting
This is the same as people who lived in east London in the sixties talking about how the streets were safer when the Kray twins were about. They kept the streets much safer than the police ever have
Thank God people intermarry with each other. Beautiful children.
Italian and Irish in cahoots since Rome 🎉don't believe the hype 🎉
Federal hill is a joke now, sad to see all the Italians moving out of the neighborhood.
They should do a movie on RP. I could play the role. Just have to lose the weight first
Is that Martin Scorsese at 5:10 far right?
Italians.
You guys helped build RI
we all come frromfrom diffenent places with diffwernt comtrtrodistions
Father Bill rented an attic apartment from an Old 🇮🇹 Woman 👩 in East Providence. ❤️🇮🇹😎👍🏻🙏🏼
Good old days law and order!!🎉🎉❤
I was raised on federal hill. Tell street
Penn Street here
Cottage Street here...@@nicolehutto4906
Im an American Dominican Republic Irish twin
I exactly know this area, didn’t know the history of it. Scalios Bakery is delicious. I’ve always said that the Italians were the Mexicans of our past generation. Immigration comes in waves. It seems like the Indians were in 90’s as well as the Brazilians in the 90’s. Mine was in the 80’s.
The Micks and the Wops is what we call them.😂😊
Your too fucking old to be posing without a 👕
You look like the sort of person who still uses these terms.
Non esiste la mafia COSA NOSTRA è un mito.🇺🇸🇮🇹💪💪
😂all rats😂
Man, high car insurance sounds like a terrible place to live
I’m 50 50 down the middle.. and I have the worst of both lol. I absolutely hate Irish food tho it’s like eating a boot.
90?
Not only is he buried in gates of heaven, look the cemetery up, gate of heaven, east providence RI., the cemetery’s advertising he’s buried there..
You'd be hard pressed to find ANY background that hasn't paid some HEFTY dues! Which I'm not claiming makes it okay but, if I've missed "Perfect World" entrance please inform me.
That said, I'm someone with a bit over 2 decades of sobriety, having undergone and still practicing the sometimes Brutal Self honesty required in being successful. I submit that other than the odd individual exception, if you don't look honestly inward, you're continuing to attempt to BBQ in a Downpour, with a compliant Leftist government enabling you (sadly as a group) into a Pine Box.
You got that right , those lefties are on a mission to destroy America
They had consolidation camps in sauderstown!! Japanese prisoner!! And sea bees@ etc. Duffies!! Carter's 19h
You could be a northern Italian or a True Romance Italian......
I grew up with the italians..never seen that..my sister married one.
I'm sorry
I thought an Italian discovered America? Why did Italians experience this when they were here first? Confused.
Spain funded Columbus, Spain controlled a lot of America for a long time. As did France The British WASPS had northern colonies, eventually waged a revolution. Long story short Italians were new to the country with no financial or social influence and yeah we have extremely hot tempers.
An Italian “discovered” America but he did not really settle it and as such did not have as much an impact on the culture.
And then they all intermarried.. speaking from experience as my wife is Italian.. the end.
Did an Italian guy just used the word reparations lol they’re kidding right smh
Cry me a river, each group who comes faces hardships which they then pass onto the next group of newcomers and the Italians were no different.
Why are you people still crying two centuries later then…?
These people are always talking about respect. No one actually respects the mafia.
They fear them. I cannot respect murderers and criminals.🖕😡🖕
My father was Irish and my mother Italian. The derogatory insults back in the 20th century and beyond were often expressed out of jealousy. Italian women became the preference amongst American men and Italian men were more attractive to American women. In the 1960's, children were being born mixed with Italian/Irish, Italian/Puerto Rican, Italian/Dominican, Italian Cuban, Italian/German, Italian English, and much more. When Sofia Loren became a sex symbol, that translated into much of the success of more Italians in cinema.
Italians came back in style with The Godfather movies.Even the mob copied stuff in those movies
☘️🍀
Hard to believe that they we're being treated like blacks or Spanish people and they turned out to be prejudice towards us blacks or spanish people... Not all Italians but alot of them
Italy is close to Spain so that should be expected. Or are you talking about Dominicans and Puerto Ricans?
Lets all get over the concern over racism. Regarding Italians being discriminated against, the last I recall, you couldn't be a made man in an Italian mob family unless you were a full blooded Italian man. Not to mention no women. All ethnicities have great experiences of wealth and success. And all ethnicities have derelict representation. Lets just appreciate each other and move on from this.
Everyone has moved on from this, before probably most of us were born. The strange fixations in the weirder depths of the internet are in no sense accurate portrayals of what Americans think and care about.
Some worse than others..