Ayelet Gilboa | The Rise of Ancient Israel and Other Problematic Entities

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  • Oriental Institute Membership lecture: The Rise of Ancient Israel and Other Problematic Entities: An Archaeological Perspective
    Ayelet Gilboa, director of the Zinman Institute of Archaeology

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  • @ISAC_UChicago
    @ISAC_UChicago  5 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Lecture begins at 3:21
    Q&A begins at 1:17:20

    • @tongboy187
      @tongboy187 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The Oriental Institute thank you. And thank you also for the endlessly fascinating lectures :-)

    • @ian_b
      @ian_b 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you, and thank you for providing these lectures to watch. They're a treasure.

    • @bcast9978
      @bcast9978 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cool. Thank you!

    • @hittitecharioteer
      @hittitecharioteer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very interesting lecture. Thankyou.

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You know your viewers... :)

  • @mikefruge8589
    @mikefruge8589 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I watched this lecture a few years ago. I was so impressed with this Israeli archaeologist's honesty in regard to the true history of Israel. It seems as though most Israeli and Zionist Christians archaeology is conducted for the purpose of finding proof that the Bible is historically accurate. Real archaeology should never have a preconceived, desired result. Ayelet is a true archaeologist that allows the facts and findings to be result of her research. Because of her honesty and dedication, it seems that Ayelet has been shuffled away from the limelight she so richly deserves. I could not remember her name, so I went to Wikipedia in search of Israeli Archaeologist. Incredibly, her name was not to be found. Fortunately, after many, many searches I found this video.

    • @carlodefalco7930
      @carlodefalco7930 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Zionist Christian archaeology. 🤔 of course they want to prove the bible ..just as Islamists distort scientific facts to try and prove the nonsense of koran , Islam

  • @okasa64
    @okasa64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Conclusions from Prof. Gilboa’s slides with minor edits
    1. In the 12th ~ 11th centuries, after the Late Bronze Age collapse and especially after the withdrawal of the Egyptians, the southern Levant was in social and demographic havoc, especially in the south, close to Egypt, where the disappearance of the Egyptians was particularly felt. This enabled the relatively peaceful infiltration of newcomers fleeing the LBA collapse.
    2. In the core (mountainous) areas of the future Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, populations are largely of Canaanite descent.
    3. Even in the other coastal areas, no large scale violent population influx is in evidence. But in the region we now call Philistia, newcomers, mainly from Cyprus and the Agean, mingled with the ‘locals’, achieving high status because of the social chaos and formed a new identity. These are the Philistines.
    4. Cypriot newcomers also reached the more northerly coast of modern Israel (and coastal Lebanon) but the material manifestation of these Cypriotes (and the societies they were absorbed into) is entirely different than in Philistia. Today we call them Phoenicians. They were the main sailors and traders of the era. Only after Dor and the entire Carmel coast was annexed by the Israelite Kingdoms, and Dor loses its maritime importance, do the kingdoms of Tyre and Sidon gain supremacy.
    To conclude, Israelites, Philistines, and Phoenicians are all ‘genetically’ mostly Canaanite in ancestry. Ethnogenesis (the formation of new identity groups) occurs in situ: new, separate identities emerge within Canaan, in opposition to each other, dictated by geographical and demographic settings, economy extent of foreign interactions, and also by external populations arriving after the Bronze Age collapse. Construction of identities occurs in tandem and is interdependent.

    • @johnbecay6887
      @johnbecay6887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      thank you for condensing this complicated subject into a more accessible form.

    • @christopherdiedrich40
      @christopherdiedrich40 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      This summary of the lecture is much appreciated! Though I am aware of the importance of this information and do not dispute this womans knowledge in any way, I personally found the actual lecture to be painfully difficult to listen to.
      Thank you for doing this!

    • @Ken_Scaletta
      @Ken_Scaletta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Much appreciated. Thanks.

    • @RecordsLotus_
      @RecordsLotus_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SMART GUY, FUNNY HOW YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT ISRAEL DIDNT EVEN EXIST UNTIL 80 YEARS AGO AND YOU IGNORE THE ENTIRE FALSE PREMISE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS "ANCIENT ISRAEL" A TOTAL AND COMPLETE LIE. ITS CALLED PALESTINE.

    • @okasa64
      @okasa64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@RecordsLotus_ To be clear, I just transcribed Prof. Gilboa’s summary slides from her lecture, although I don't disagree with her conclusions.
      The period under discussion is after Egypt lost control of the region following the Late Bronze Age collapse, around 1177 BC. By about 800 BC, there were two kingdoms in the area, the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah, as well as the Philistines in the south and the Phoenicians in the north.
      The point of this lecture was to try to understand the ethnic and cultural makeup of the populations living in the middle east at that time.

  • @RonJohn63
    @RonJohn63 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    25:23 Very sad that the lower-right inset showing the speaker covers up interesting text.

    • @frankwillow-rogersjr.3253
      @frankwillow-rogersjr.3253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. So many Videos do this. Very (ignorant/inconsiderate!) Networks do the same. HUGE ADs...of coming features--covering current-INFOrmation. I've begun to just TurnTheChannel... . \;~ (

    • @ISAC_UChicago
      @ISAC_UChicago  4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      We actually have heard your criticism, and have started to change our screen layout to accomodate this after this talk. Unfortunately, it’s not possible to go back and do the same for older lectures, but we are trying to constantly improve our presentation style- so please keep giving feedback! (kb)

    • @kimberlyperrotis8962
      @kimberlyperrotis8962 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ISAC_UChicago Thank you, making improvements based on viewer input is much appreciated.

  • @lwplwp
    @lwplwp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You can never usa a bible as a primary aource..At the very most it should only be used to cross reference events already verified.

    • @connormathias5779
      @connormathias5779 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m sure this person knows what they’re doing.

    • @christopherarner8322
      @christopherarner8322 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Bible is the premier source of history.

    • @patshelby9285
      @patshelby9285 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christopherarner8322 the bible is a handy frame of reference to help sort concurrent histories.

  • @paulsingh9043
    @paulsingh9043 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Er er er er ,it er er er drove me er er er mad!😳

  • @harrytpk
    @harrytpk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    This is a outstanding lecture about Israel, Canaan, Phoenicia and the entire Levant from the Bronze Age collapse c 1170 to about 800 BCE.

    • @johnbecay6887
      @johnbecay6887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      harrytpk exactly the time i am interested in.

    • @naradaian
      @naradaian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rubbish she cant communicate any passion or interest. As dull as possiy

    • @RecordsLotus_
      @RecordsLotus_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      outstanding that is a complete and total lie. israel didnt even exist until 80 years ago. THERE NEVER WAS AND THERE NEVER WILL BE AN "ANCIENT ISRAEL"

    • @mattnewhouse1781
      @mattnewhouse1781 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@RecordsLotus_ racist much?

    • @charlesmadison1384
      @charlesmadison1384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@RecordsLotus_ So ... the ancient texts of the Jewish people do not mention an Israel along the Mediterranean coast?
      What does this say about your credibility !?!

  • @Thomas_Geist
    @Thomas_Geist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Given the dates, i.e., the reign of David set to about 1000BC which would have been during the middle of he dark age after the Late Bronze Age Collapse, why could not the Hebrews have either been part of the Sea People coalition or at least for some reason not harassed by it.
    The Phoenicians were also a “sea people, (one could say, THE sea people of the iron age) and culturally-logistically similar to the Hebrews. Hiram, king of Tyre, was engaged in helping Solomon build the first Temple and there seems no indication this was simply a business arrangement.
    I thought the Philistines were actually given land in the Levant by the Egyptians to pacify them and have them protect Egypt’s Southern borders.
    Archeology is a story spun from amazingly little information and is as prone to the development of a “Standard Model,” as any other discipline. Perhaps much more so given the obvious modern religious/political pressures.

    • @hurdygurdyguy1
      @hurdygurdyguy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, Archaeology is not the "story," it's just the method for uncovering data. The "story" comes from the interpretation of the data.

    • @Thomas_Geist
      @Thomas_Geist 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hurdygurdyguy1 Yes, you’re stating the say it should be. That’s called the, “is vs. aught,” dilemma. Archaeology establishes some methods and protocols for recovering and categorizing data at digs, but to say it hasn’t also created a “standard model,” story and timeline is just silly.

    • @HellenofTroy897
      @HellenofTroy897 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Phoenicians" was the name given to Canaanites by the Greeks.

    • @Thomas_Geist
      @Thomas_Geist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hurdygurdyguy1l don’t disagree. Archaeology began in the 19th Century with what today would be called, “amateurs”. The systematic collection of artifacts came much later.

    • @OldHeathen1963
      @OldHeathen1963 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Science uncovered evidence you have Neanderthal DNA!
      Put that in god's pipe and smoke it!

  • @bill9989
    @bill9989 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How do I say this without being censored?
    After October 7th, I decided to read a book about the bible. I read "The Bible Unearthed" by Finklestein and Silberman. It explains how it was written over many centuries, drawing from legends, memories and myths and peoples and individuals not necessarily Hebrew but appropriated and glamorized by the writers.
    Then I watch this and other videos of lectures, including the apocalyptic tales, the ethno narcissism, and avoidance of others. The wars and conquests (most fiction) at the direction of their God and the expectation of a messiah who will smite their enemies (translation: everybody).
    I realize, in my youth, I was educated about a very sterilized and benign Old Testament.
    However, there is nothing benign about Judiasm. It's strange and scary. Very strange and very scary.

    • @radwanabu-issa4350
      @radwanabu-issa4350 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The veracity of the Bible is often regarded as sacred, while "scientific" proofs are continually revised as previous "proofs" are found to be inaccurate or incomplete.

  • @nhabib114
    @nhabib114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Exceptional subject. I study Near Eastern religions. Just beginning to. Great lecture.

  • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
    @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What About Acre , Gaza , Dor , Ashkelon , Hazor , Hebron , Jerusalem , Sequim etc ... These Were Poor Cities Without People ??????!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @scottjosen2606
    @scottjosen2606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So very well done!!!! Your presentation encapsulated many years of personal observation, opinion and speculation on my part in defacto laity. I've forwarded this link to several who I believe will benefit from your very easily digestible spread of wonderful info. Again, fantastic!!

    • @scottjosen2606
      @scottjosen2606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've seen speculation that Moses' name is Egyptian with Tutmoses' name cited but nothing about them being the same. Odd to think he'd return to Egypt at point of demise and be entombed as such. Don't suspect that the man intentionally withheld info but rather presented thst which he'd considered most relevant for his purpose.

  • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
    @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yellet ... Did Your Khazarine Ancestors build These Buildings in Palestine ?????!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @rademfam6856
    @rademfam6856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Listening to lectures like these and documentaries help me sleep so thank you

    • @israel6499
      @israel6499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Like wise

    • @saskiascott8181
      @saskiascott8181 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol burn

    • @rademfam6856
      @rademfam6856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@saskiascott8181 not a burn, a compliment. Its interesting enough to watch but calmly done to ease into sleep

    • @saskiascott8181
      @saskiascott8181 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rademfam6856 I misunderstood! Thanks

    • @rademfam6856
      @rademfam6856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@saskiascott8181 all good, I can see how what I wrote can seem like it's boring enough to fall asleep to but I enjoy these while I fall asleep.. It's perfect

  • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
    @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gaddiyau etc ... Are Canaanite Names ... These Scriptures Are Canaanite ... Gad in Gaddiyau ... Is The Canaanite God Of Fortune .... One important Fact is That Hebrew Canaanite Dialect became a Written language after The 5th or 4th Century in Babilonia When The Hebrew letters were invented from The Canaanite Aramian Alphabet and became A Written Language ... That's Why The Judah Kings Seals Were Still Written Either in Canaanite , Akkadian , or Egyptian Hierglyphs ..... Good Move ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
    @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All The Names In Canaan Were Canaanite ... Hebrew didn't Exist in The 9th Century ... but after The 5th Century ... Hebrew Names ????!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @am7535
    @am7535 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Iron in the 8th century was brought to Dor and Canaan by the Tyrians; as Dor, Acre and Ascalon were dominated by Tyre and Sidon. But again she never mentioned the Sicilians Nursghian origins of the Saqqala of Dor and Acre as well as the Washasha and the Tjekeru.

  • @kashoutlenox
    @kashoutlenox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Problematic?

  • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
    @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Names Are Canaanite EL ZEDEK IS CANAANITE NAME ... if It Was Hebrew ... IT WILL BE HA TZEDEK .... 😡😡😡😡😡

  • @requittasmith1302
    @requittasmith1302 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Isn't the Rockefellers big founders of the Oriental Institute AR rather shareholders

    • @TheShootist
      @TheShootist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and? so what is your point? the rockefellar family has funded much of North America's higher education. As have the Fords, the Westinghouse family, du Ponts, Carnegies and Howard Hughes. Rockefeller's donations and foundations helped build the University of Chicago; funded medical programs that led to vaccines for meningitis, yellow fever, and other diseases; and built major schools of public health at Johns Hopkins and Harvard.

    • @requittasmith1302
      @requittasmith1302 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheShootist making sure don't get offended

    • @negusx8806
      @negusx8806 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheShootist Is that the same Rockefeller that shut down homeopathic medicine, and gave us our uh, uh, uh, uhm endoctrination system???

  • @simban00
    @simban00 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Canaan never existed except for the Bible. Those were Hellenic lands with over 100 cities. The Greeks there were called Phoenicians because their progenitor was Phoenix brother of Cadmus.

  • @am7535
    @am7535 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good presentation but major mistake abt the Stele of Merneptah bec it is not Israel but Isiriar found meaning “displaced” and not “El rules”

  • @mortef
    @mortef 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gotta love how all the artifacts israel find are all arab, amalek or persian.

    • @negusx8806
      @negusx8806 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait, are you insinuating some type of fakery, dishonesty, hi-jacking, stealing, artifact appropriation?? I'm still waiting for her to talk about how unnecessary the Balfour Declaration was cuz if I'm hearing her correctly they been there forever

    • @OldHeathen1963
      @OldHeathen1963 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @rubenhernandez2431 History says they are Cursed.

  • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
    @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This Is Not History ... but A fairy Tale Class ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To the OI producer: 1. I wish the screen showing the speaker would be enlarged again, after showing the Thanks screen, to full-size during the Q&A period. 2. I think audience members should be limited to one question each, there are always so e who want to dominate with multiple complex questions. Thank you for such excellent productions! I enjoy them so much, and learn so much.

  • @moodist1er
    @moodist1er 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What evidence makes any of these sites "Israelite" except for the vocal repetition of the idea?

    • @TheShootist
      @TheShootist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well, the word Israel is right there on that stone tablet.

    • @moodist1er
      @moodist1er 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheShootist what stone tablet, the merneptah stele? It's disputed by non-biblical archeologists to say Jezreel, which would make more sense since it's the historic name of the region and encompasses multiple communities and not just one community of nomadic shepherds.

    • @patshelby9285
      @patshelby9285 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@moodist1er Jezreel itself could easily be a variant spelling of Israel.
      Were "J" & "Y" not rivals in preferred spellings, and might be rendered as "I", especially if filtered through the old Roman script.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Juda is the south
    Israel is the north

  • @bcvanrijswijk
    @bcvanrijswijk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I understand that not everyone is a born storyteller like Irvin Finkel, but that continuous ah ah ah ah ah ah unlearning would be part of the training. Despite the interesting topic I am unable to listen to it.

    • @bcvanrijswijk
      @bcvanrijswijk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@katiedotson704 Besides my own language (Dutch) I can give lectures in German, English, Italian, French, Latin and ancient Greek. In the first four languages I do this with some regularity. And yes, without bursting into uh, uh, uh after every three words. However, I must confess that in Irvin Finkel I have to acknowledge my superior, because unfortunately I am not able to bring in his humor in a natural way.
      May I suspect that you do not speak any foreign language at all, like most English speakers?

    • @deborahdean8867
      @deborahdean8867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It was extremely distracting and I cannot listen to it either. All those 'ah,ahs' are a speech habit, not her struggling with a foreign language because she obviously actually does have good mastery. She's very excessive with it.

    • @bradleywillis1654
      @bradleywillis1654 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@bcvanrijswijk wow you absolutely OWNED her with that, and with such grace. Well done!

    • @TomSkinner
      @TomSkinner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So kind of you to tell us about your problem.

    • @visjesvanger
      @visjesvanger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      eeeeuh eeeeeeuh eeeeeeuh 30 minutes getting crazy now,, eeeeu ah eu a e i o u

  • @cindirose3390
    @cindirose3390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    What a great speaker with such fascinating connections of migration of cultures. I especially enjoyed her highlighting the two distinct styles of loom weights; my mother and grandmother both used looms and I learned to card and spin the yarn on both a drop spindle and spinning wheel.
    Particularly interesting those two styles if weights were IN SAME household; now I am curious how the weaving styles differed.
    Thank you for an A1 lecture altogether. Praise the lecturer/researcher/inspiration

    • @philo3936
      @philo3936 ปีที่แล้ว

      kho kho khomkhokho what a joke of a language 🤣

  • @robertlunn3678
    @robertlunn3678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Somebody mention the speakers inability to stop saying AH,AH AH.
    I’ve listen to her before and she is knowledgeable without doubt. Yet, once I read that comment, I had to stop.
    It’s as if she does not care. She is very sloppy in a few other ways too.
    I hope she can improve her ability to speak as she’s obviously very good.
    It’s not easy and if I had to give a talk in my “ second language”, it would be time wasted.

  • @jaysoncarter5093
    @jaysoncarter5093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Very interesting point about whether, or, not the Bible guides Archeology. It's been my experience as a Samoan from Polynesia, that accidental discoveries have actually given some weight to the old stories.
    This all begins in Fiji, Tonga, and, Samoa. Basalt tools used as rock samples show up on all three of the 3k plus old Oceanic Civilizations. Along with pyramids throughout our Islands. Not to mention the Lapita Culture.
    My point is this the Bible, and, Archeology go hand in hand. There will always be discrepancies but something happened where someone did something so outstanding people passed on.

    • @wesstone7571
      @wesstone7571 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have those pyramids been excavated? Anything of importance found?

    • @NaturalBornKelli
      @NaturalBornKelli 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You do not surround the words "and" and "or" with commas. Use commas sparingly and only where they are necessary. The most appealing sentences have no commas. Short and to-the-point sentences are highly preferred across all levels of grammar classes.

    • @jaysoncarter5093
      @jaysoncarter5093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NaturalBornKelli Thanks Multi-lingual it happens. As long as you get my drift.

    • @jaysoncarter5093
      @jaysoncarter5093 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wesstone7571 The fact that any of these relics of our past exist should important enough in my book.

    • @jaysoncarter5093
      @jaysoncarter5093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a school marm😂😂😂

  • @ericgoldstein4734
    @ericgoldstein4734 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Really interesting; wish the lecture were twice as long!

    • @amadeus_k2466
      @amadeus_k2466 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, that's the only weak point of this presentation: It is too short

  • @timsmith6675
    @timsmith6675 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Good lecture, Dr. Gilboa. It is interesting to learn about the how the Canaanites and Israelites were basically the same people but diverted from each group.

    • @ammaryohanan9584
      @ammaryohanan9584 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      the israelites where a branch of canaan as the tribe of shammar today are a branch from the arabs

    • @RecordsLotus_
      @RecordsLotus_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's no such thing as 'israelite' !! Didnt exist ! They were Palestinian Arabs. Israel didnt exist until 80 years ago.

    • @gorillaguerillaDK
      @gorillaguerillaDK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@RecordsLotus_
      Did you watch the lecture, like, at all?

    • @donnacsuti4980
      @donnacsuti4980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@RecordsLotus_ I'm afraid you are quite wrong Palestine is a much younger name and country. The Muslim religion did not exist until after Christ's time look up the date of Mohammed's birth. Study history. The lady knows what she is talking about.

    • @jeffmacdonald9863
      @jeffmacdonald9863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@donnacsuti4980 Not all that much younger. Palestine appears in Greek writings as a name for the region around 500 BC. Israel itself existed before that, but only for a few hundred years. Judah lasted longer, but mostly as a client state or province of various empires.
      Both modern Jews and Palestinian Arabs have strong genetic links to Canaanites, iirc, though obviously with contributions from other groups and of course very different cultural influences.

  • @johnamaral6415
    @johnamaral6415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Still within the old paradigma that take the Old Testament as historical book. But she seems to be moving to the minimalist position.

  • @johndarrow1995
    @johndarrow1995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    If you want to know how the archaeological findings and opinions are decided just look at who’s financing the dig and you’ll find the reigning opinion will be in agreement with the funding party . In other words bought and paid for opinions... you can twist any finding to fit any narrative .

    • @maralfniqle5092
      @maralfniqle5092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      100% right! Archeology is extremely politicians too

    • @ricardomoseley
      @ricardomoseley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That Is about to change With what Is taking place In Ukraine.
      When that goes south- the cat will be out the bag so to speak.
      Blessed Be.

    • @54guy1
      @54guy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And that is the same with ALL "science".

    • @hurdygurdyguy1
      @hurdygurdyguy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That comment and these replies 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Haysoos Fookin' Chrysler!

    • @patshelby9285
      @patshelby9285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@54guy1 That is true of anything open to interpretation.
      Everyone does his/her own through the dark lens of mortal perception.
      No matter your base or premise.
      Science by definition attempts to screen out all non objective reads.
      But, in the hands of humans, you can guess the outcome.
      Most of us do the best we can.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What to you mean
    The alphabet was from ugarit
    Indoeupean

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is the volcan of santorini
    Different people
    The are talking about greece
    That put the vowels to the indoeuropeans later on

  • @davemessenger4764
    @davemessenger4764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Circus ringleaders are so stubborn.

  • @enkisonofanu2301
    @enkisonofanu2301 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Thank OI for another wonderful _ and free _ lecture. If it was longer I would have continued watching.

  • @lauraly2712
    @lauraly2712 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is most problematic about the lecture is that she does not explain what could have led to the rise of Israel and the exclusivist mindset that led the Hebrews to wipe out entirely, by genocide, a whole number of neighboring Canaanite tribes. She says almost nothing about how Yahweh became the single God for the Hebrews. Nothing about what originally bonded the Samaritans of Israel with the Judeans in a common belief system. She left the audience with no ideas on the origins of her focus people. She is more explicit on the Philistines than on the Hebrews. All we are told is that archeology doesn't support the story of slavery in Egypt and the Exodus, and that the Hebrews probably were local folk.

    • @jhuizinga1
      @jhuizinga1 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm guessing she didn't mention the genocide because there's zero archeological evidence for it.
      She wouldn't have been able to explain the rest from the archeological evidence so anything she would say would be conjecture.

    • @lauraly2712
      @lauraly2712 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jhuizinga1 So many major battles of the past left no archeological evidence behind them, such as mass skeletons laying deep underground were the battles took place. So what kind of archeological evidence would you expect for a genocide that took place some 3000 years ago? Biblical books like that of the Exodus talk about the Hebrews slaughtering the various tribes that lived on that territory so why would there be good reason to dismiss that a genocide took place? What happened to the many tribes that lived in the hills that the Hebrews claimed exclusively for themselves?

    • @jhuizinga1
      @jhuizinga1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lauraly2712 a battle in the middle of nowhere, sure. But the list of cities apparently razed by the Israelites should have corresponding destruction layers at the correct and same time period. That's not what the evidence shows.
      There was no reason for Isreal and Judah to perform a genocide because they weren't moving into the area, they'd been living there the whole time.

    • @lauraly2712
      @lauraly2712 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jhuizinga1 Yet no serious Jewish archeologist denies those cities existed and were earlier Canaanite, including Jerusalem. Are you suggesting that the Canaanites vanished just in time for the Hebrew kingdoms to arise? Also, why does the Bible not only describe the genocides but presents G-d as commanding Moses and his successors to liquidate every man, woman, and child of a whole line of non-Hebrew tribes living in that area?

    • @jhuizinga1
      @jhuizinga1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lauraly2712 what's a serious Jewish archeologist? Someone who insists on believing their holy book over reality? I'd argue there are many more American Christians who have that problem.
      All serious archeologists (Jewish or otherwise) have thrown out the idea that the people who later became Jews were anything but Canaanites whose religion changed over the years to become more monotheistic. That's what all of the evidence shows.
      There was no destruction, no mass death, no sudden replacement of Canaanite culture with Jewish culture in situ...
      It's not just absence of evidence, it's clear and unequivocal evidence of absence.

  • @patriciatohme5305
    @patriciatohme5305 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    propaganda at its finest

  • @peterkatow3718
    @peterkatow3718 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ...Israel and other problematic entities. Funny

  • @your_being_led_by_your_nose
    @your_being_led_by_your_nose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would be nice to get beyond religion. Way beyond.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sea people were before the phoenicuans

  • @lazceylight4343
    @lazceylight4343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We need to find out what the 25 of dec really means!!!

    • @oldgaffer9212
      @oldgaffer9212 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A party to keep spirits up while in Winter

  • @radwanabu-issa4350
    @radwanabu-issa4350 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's astonishing that she speaks about purple dye in today's Israeli-occupied Palestine and not Lebanon as if they belong to two entirely different worlds, ignoring the fact that these regions have shared the same culture throughout human history.

  • @theunfortunatespectacle7381
    @theunfortunatespectacle7381 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I love these lectures, and was jolted to hear about Egypt needing wheat and barley from the Negev. Didn't Egypt feed the Mediterranean with its wheat?

    • @whidoineedthis
      @whidoineedthis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Different time period

    • @kevinburke3478
      @kevinburke3478 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Needed olive & grape more than grains. I think this is more correct as Egypt was huge grain center but could grow these other products

    • @theunfortunatespectacle7381
      @theunfortunatespectacle7381 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whidoineedthis Thank you.
      If you know and don't mind, did the Egyptians start domesticating grain on their own, or were they already tied into Lower Mesopotamia?

    • @whidoineedthis
      @whidoineedthis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theunfortunatespectacle7381 i think before it was called Egypt they were already tied together from prior meetings.

    • @JohnDoe-zy6tm
      @JohnDoe-zy6tm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@theunfortunatespectacle7381 there are Mesopotamian cylinder seals and art motifs from the first dynasty in Egypt. So they were interacting in some way from the start. But agriculture is thousands of years older then the Egypt (3100bce) or Sumerian (4500bce) empires.
      It starts
      10,000bce (ish) and had spread through both regions long before they were a coherent civilization. Agriculture was a prerequisite for civilization. Without is a tribe can only have about 100 members. Hunting/gathering within range of walking. Supports about 100 humans in a 50km area. To have a village, town, or later a city you need agriculture. Once you have cities you can conquer your neighbors and form kingdoms. 😉

  • @bill9989
    @bill9989 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 1209 BC Egyptian stele referencing Israel: could the name "Israel" precede the Hebrew use of the term? In other words, could the ancient Israelites have adopted the ancient, unrelated name of that land and made it their own?
    Put another way: what came first, Israel or the Israelites?

  • @bill9989
    @bill9989 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here's an old joke that illustrates the problem of archeology in the Levant:
    "A true intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and never think of "The Lone Ranger.""
    A true archeologist in the Levant is someone who can do the work without ever thinking of the bible.

  • @PabloM.-ss6px
    @PabloM.-ss6px 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good lecture. Put playback speed at 1.5X though 🙂

  • @ChristaFree
    @ChristaFree 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Problematic?

    • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
      @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว

      Ofcourse ... What Should A Zionist Colonizer Of Palestine Say about The Real Natives Of Palestine ???!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The Real Problematic Fact Were These Hebrew Pastors who Occupied The Canaanites Land by The Sword ... But This Is What The World is Like ... The Victorios Thugs Are The Ones Who make History by Their World Capital ....

    • @liisahmanni
      @liisahmanni 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed.

    • @Jahwobbly
      @Jahwobbly 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      as in defying simple explanations, or as in the popular beliefs seem to contradict verifiable facts.
      sheesh

    • @beebarfthebard
      @beebarfthebard 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@Jahwobbly oh please, it was an understandable question with how everything is lately....sheesh

  • @michelf9948
    @michelf9948 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Eeeuhhh eeeuh eeehhhm...Please speak without....

  • @am7535
    @am7535 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also she didn’t mention the origins of the Saqqala or Sheqelesh (Sicilian Nuraghians) in Dor

  • @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr
    @NaderAbedrabbojanineh-nh1kr ปีที่แล้ว

    Poor Canaan and Rich Judah ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From 1500bc
    Like the minoans
    Other people went there
    You can see is a bad copy
    The hicsos when they frew them out of egypt where did they go

    • @patshelby9285
      @patshelby9285 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      John V. Luce (?), Author, antiquarian, classicist, of Trinity College, Dublin (?) wrote the definitive book examining the possible relation of the strongili/ kallista/thera/ santorini eruption and the Egyptian exodus. Lurid title, "the end of Atlantis", but the book is far more scholarly than would have been gleaned from the cover of the paperback I bought in 1978. It was published in 1968.
      Spyridon Marinatos began excavation of Akrotiri in 1967.
      J. V. Luce did a pretty definitive exploration of the idea the eruption provided the basis's of the Atlantis legend and the physical conditions described accompanying the Israelites Exodus from Egypt.
      I frequently wonder about any relationship between either relatives of Joseph or colonization from Aegean mariner traders being a part of the Hyksos culture of northern Egypt.
      The event could have contributed mightily to the "expulsion or conquest of the Hyksos" by Thutmose I. If northern Egypt and the surrounding sea coasts were severely impacted by earthquakes, tsunami's, falling ash and such they would have been vulnerable.
      The sea people may have descended from survivors who, having originally fled the areas, were driven in desperation to return to their lost lands by later drought and famine. An earlier rehoming of exiled Israelites?
      (edited for typo and correction and added material.)

  • @MickAngelhere
    @MickAngelhere 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The constant uhhhhhh , uhhhh , uhhh was such that I’m unable to continue to watch this , suggest the lady takes classes in public speaking

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They are not the same people

  • @esercye
    @esercye 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The connection between Egypt and Cannan is the fact that they were both Hamites how y'all miss that !

    • @woodygilson3465
      @woodygilson3465 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because that's working backwards from a belief in a person named Ham for which no historical evidence exists. She spoke in the beginning regarding the process: First, what do the facts on the ground say? Then, one might ask how those facts compare to the mythology. She made clear in the start that her presentation was to address the former, and not the latter.

    • @HellenofTroy897
      @HellenofTroy897 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@woodygilson3465If Ham didn't exist, then neither did Noah. And neither did Shem (Semites) nor Japheth. So where did Canaan come from? And why is the Bible all about giving his land to Abraham's descendants? And why is Canaan located archeologically where it should be according to the Bible?

    • @woodygilson3465
      @woodygilson3465 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HellenofTroy897 Is Greek mythology true because it mentions Greece?

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about the kadesh battle

    • @ISAC_UChicago
      @ISAC_UChicago  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We have an older talk on that by Robert Ritner and Theo van den Hout, Veronica. Feel free to check it out at th-cam.com/video/A1AGe2V0qHo/w-d-xo.html
      (kb)

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The jews of yave didnt cross anything

  • @pedromayallguilayn507
    @pedromayallguilayn507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent lecture. I did not know much about Dor.

  • @netizencapet
    @netizencapet ปีที่แล้ว

    Uuuuhh, my delivery style is obnoxious uhhhhh.

  • @mgk284
    @mgk284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    41:09 what happened between 1200-900 BCE

  • @pappidrlux1834
    @pappidrlux1834 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Hope she does more lectures =)

    • @TheMargarita1948
      @TheMargarita1948 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Allow me to speculate that it was the same sort of situation as the British in India.

    • @jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617
      @jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s a female"?!

    • @somniumisdreaming
      @somniumisdreaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617 Yes, sorry you don't get to see many irl so you can't identify one.

  • @lazceylight4343
    @lazceylight4343 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah oh catholics will be mad at me now!!

  • @vootamu1
    @vootamu1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Holy Bible is meant to be a spiritual book, although you can find a lot of history in it. Therefore, her comment about how the Holy Bible doesn't mention or "know about the Egyptian rule over Israel" is unnecessary, unless you aim to use your archaeological finds to disprove the credibility or validity of the Holy Bible.

  • @SherryAzaniyah
    @SherryAzaniyah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank lord for DNA im canaanite/shemite..have so much ancient dna

    • @TheShootist
      @TheShootist 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      all dna is ancient.

    • @negusx8806
      @negusx8806 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheShootist but all dna aint EUMELANATED tho

    • @OldHeathen1963
      @OldHeathen1963 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@negusx8806
      Isn't that a side issue? That some ancient DNA has it and others do not?

    • @negusx8806
      @negusx8806 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OldHeathen1963 Because there are certain peoples gallivanting as something they are not, I don't readily accept, as reality, a lot of the so called history they are presenting.. The SUN has been here from the beginning. Why would nature create a creature which can not thrive in its environment??? Something is amiss...

  • @aapp953
    @aapp953 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is the best lecture on archeology i have ever seen. Excellent execution

    • @pattheplanter
      @pattheplanter ปีที่แล้ว

      It is OK but I found this other one on the same subject better presented and with a greater density of information presented: th-cam.com/video/SSXmf0fnhMU/w-d-xo.html

  • @peterschmidt3551
    @peterschmidt3551 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:54 I suggest keeping distinct and separate "genres" of logs, so you have someplace to record anything you find relevant, whether it be Biblical in nature or what have you, isolating each of these paradigms without rejecting or suppressing anything.

  • @greggrobinson5116
    @greggrobinson5116 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You might have to be a bit of an expert to appreciate just how fraught and dangerous her topic is, but it is.

    • @Jake-on5fp
      @Jake-on5fp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      okay mr. expert

    • @eskimocommotion4965
      @eskimocommotion4965 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It takes me back to Esau.

    • @davidsabo405
      @davidsabo405 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eskimocommotion4965 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @deafprophet
    @deafprophet ปีที่แล้ว

    Bell Beaker / Germanians

  • @TheIllestDubie
    @TheIllestDubie ปีที่แล้ว

    hire someone with energy, syntax, cadence, and some type of storytelling ability. That was impossible to focus through.
    Great research, but I think you would gain a lot more interest in learning from appreciating these things. I think this is a very common problem with education.

  • @SaltyMinorcan
    @SaltyMinorcan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great, great video.

  • @anton972yehuda
    @anton972yehuda 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i heard a bunch of mambo jumbo that has nothing to to with reality

    • @oldgaffer9212
      @oldgaffer9212 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you want to hear?

  • @domeniclocalzo9498
    @domeniclocalzo9498 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Uh uh ???? Uh uh

  • @indigenousnorwegianeuropa4145
    @indigenousnorwegianeuropa4145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting

  • @gaslitworldf.melissab2897
    @gaslitworldf.melissab2897 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was concerned that the speaker would start out _objective_ and then become the biblical archaeologists. Thankfully, I proved wrong. It seems the discipline has really evolved. I have hope that in the near future, the region will enjoy peace. Already, young Palestinians and Jews work together, marry and enjoy daily life. Let's hope that spreads as intellect rules over emotions.

  • @vgrof2315
    @vgrof2315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much.

  • @gillschor8843
    @gillschor8843 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent presentation illuminating place and people of the era.

  • @tablemate8248
    @tablemate8248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There was NO ancient Israel. Lord Rothschild, Israel's Lord and master

    • @negusx8806
      @negusx8806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All this talk of ANCIENT ISRAEL and THEM being there maxe me 1der what was the BALFOUR DECLARATION for, smdh...

    • @zairatulumierah9436
      @zairatulumierah9436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rothschild is anti christ(dajjal) follower

  • @markc1234golf
    @markc1234golf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yawe = He She

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent, I wish Dr. Gilboa could have had two hours to present all the information she wanted to. Fifty minutes is too short for these lectures.

  • @greglogan7706
    @greglogan7706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I found the comment that the biblical documents know nothing about the Egyptian rule over Canaan during I guess the late bronze age? Or thereabouts?
    This has to be a very very powerful reality that cannot be ignored in terms of understanding what the biblical documents actually are.

    • @kamitecnative3286
      @kamitecnative3286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      All religions stolen from KAMIT

    • @paladro
      @paladro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kamitecnative3286 and before kamit?

    • @kamitecnative3286
      @kamitecnative3286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paladro not religious part

    • @davidsabo405
      @davidsabo405 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fraudulent documents. They miss a lot of real actual history.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They found ugarit 1700bc

  • @sangsepurba
    @sangsepurba ปีที่แล้ว

    SAME LIKE THAILAND HISTORY....

  • @josephatsande1068
    @josephatsande1068 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Bible gives a clue which indicates that from the time of Solomon onwards Israel was under the control of Egypt. Solomon marrying the Egyptian princes etc

    • @davidsabo405
      @davidsabo405 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solomon never existed.

  • @josephsdream8234
    @josephsdream8234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did anyone else notice the two pyramids in the thumbnail of this video?! They're very obvious!

    • @patshelby9285
      @patshelby9285 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mission Gameliel pretty nearly.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It shows the ones before 1200bc were sea people
    The neighbords of israel had yawe

  • @agermason7890
    @agermason7890 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ancient Asia Minor! Modern day Israel 🇮🇱

  • @davidklein1667
    @davidklein1667 ปีที่แล้ว

    Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. ...shut that guy up!!!

    • @lauraly2712
      @lauraly2712 ปีที่แล้ว

      The lecture was delivered by a woman who gave no indication that she was changing into a guy.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyway we had alexander
    The seleucidas

  • @FrogInPot
    @FrogInPot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A simple possible explanation of why excavations of Phillistia during the Early Iron Age reveal combined Aegean and Canaanite material culture inside individual sites, is however uncomfortable likely due to sharing of homes. Being men of opposing cultures are less Leroy to share homes, I would suggest that once the Mycenaeans had conquered the area, they took some of the widows into slavery and/or their families as second wives.

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing israel the other judea

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never together

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    One thing is phoniceans another foinix

  • @gerardocamacho9994
    @gerardocamacho9994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    that's a good microphone

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They went to sea cost next to jerusalen

  • @judithparker4608
    @judithparker4608 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Egyptian symbols too!

  • @veronicalogotheti5416
    @veronicalogotheti5416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like the film
    From the brothers

  • @pomegranate6221
    @pomegranate6221 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmmmm