I watched this lecture a few years ago. I was so impressed with this Israeli archaeologist's honesty in regard to the true history of Israel. It seems as though most Israeli and Zionist Christians archaeology is conducted for the purpose of finding proof that the Bible is historically accurate. Real archaeology should never have a preconceived, desired result. Ayelet is a true archaeologist that allows the facts and findings to be result of her research. Because of her honesty and dedication, it seems that Ayelet has been shuffled away from the limelight she so richly deserves. I could not remember her name, so I went to Wikipedia in search of Israeli Archaeologist. Incredibly, her name was not to be found. Fortunately, after many, many searches I found this video.
Zionist Christian archaeology. 🤔 of course they want to prove the bible ..just as Islamists distort scientific facts to try and prove the nonsense of koran , Islam
@@RecordsLotus_ So ... the ancient texts of the Jewish people do not mention an Israel along the Mediterranean coast? What does this say about your credibility !?!
@@saskiascott8181 all good, I can see how what I wrote can seem like it's boring enough to fall asleep to but I enjoy these while I fall asleep.. It's perfect
Conclusions from Prof. Gilboa’s slides with minor edits 1. In the 12th ~ 11th centuries, after the Late Bronze Age collapse and especially after the withdrawal of the Egyptians, the southern Levant was in social and demographic havoc, especially in the south, close to Egypt, where the disappearance of the Egyptians was particularly felt. This enabled the relatively peaceful infiltration of newcomers fleeing the LBA collapse. 2. In the core (mountainous) areas of the future Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, populations are largely of Canaanite descent. 3. Even in the other coastal areas, no large scale violent population influx is in evidence. But in the region we now call Philistia, newcomers, mainly from Cyprus and the Agean, mingled with the ‘locals’, achieving high status because of the social chaos and formed a new identity. These are the Philistines. 4. Cypriot newcomers also reached the more northerly coast of modern Israel (and coastal Lebanon) but the material manifestation of these Cypriotes (and the societies they were absorbed into) is entirely different than in Philistia. Today we call them Phoenicians. They were the main sailors and traders of the era. Only after Dor and the entire Carmel coast was annexed by the Israelite Kingdoms, and Dor loses its maritime importance, do the kingdoms of Tyre and Sidon gain supremacy. To conclude, Israelites, Philistines, and Phoenicians are all ‘genetically’ mostly Canaanite in ancestry. Ethnogenesis (the formation of new identity groups) occurs in situ: new, separate identities emerge within Canaan, in opposition to each other, dictated by geographical and demographic settings, economy extent of foreign interactions, and also by external populations arriving after the Bronze Age collapse. Construction of identities occurs in tandem and is interdependent.
This summary of the lecture is much appreciated! Though I am aware of the importance of this information and do not dispute this womans knowledge in any way, I personally found the actual lecture to be painfully difficult to listen to. Thank you for doing this!
SMART GUY, FUNNY HOW YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT ISRAEL DIDNT EVEN EXIST UNTIL 80 YEARS AGO AND YOU IGNORE THE ENTIRE FALSE PREMISE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS "ANCIENT ISRAEL" A TOTAL AND COMPLETE LIE. ITS CALLED PALESTINE.
@@RecordsLotus_ To be clear, I just transcribed Prof. Gilboa’s summary slides from her lecture, although I don't disagree with her conclusions. The period under discussion is after Egypt lost control of the region following the Late Bronze Age collapse, around 1177 BC. By about 800 BC, there were two kingdoms in the area, the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah, as well as the Philistines in the south and the Phoenicians in the north. The point of this lecture was to try to understand the ethnic and cultural makeup of the populations living in the middle east at that time.
So very well done!!!! Your presentation encapsulated many years of personal observation, opinion and speculation on my part in defacto laity. I've forwarded this link to several who I believe will benefit from your very easily digestible spread of wonderful info. Again, fantastic!!
I've seen speculation that Moses' name is Egyptian with Tutmoses' name cited but nothing about them being the same. Odd to think he'd return to Egypt at point of demise and be entombed as such. Don't suspect that the man intentionally withheld info but rather presented thst which he'd considered most relevant for his purpose.
How do I say this without being censored? After October 7th, I decided to read a book about the bible. I read "The Bible Unearthed" by Finklestein and Silberman. It explains how it was written over many centuries, drawing from legends, memories and myths and peoples and individuals not necessarily Hebrew but appropriated and glamorized by the writers. Then I watch this and other videos of lectures, including the apocalyptic tales, the ethno narcissism, and avoidance of others. The wars and conquests (most fiction) at the direction of their God and the expectation of a messiah who will smite their enemies (translation: everybody). I realize, in my youth, I was educated about a very sterilized and benign Old Testament. However, there is nothing benign about Judiasm. It's strange and scary. Very strange and very scary.
The veracity of the Bible is often regarded as sacred, while "scientific" proofs are continually revised as previous "proofs" are found to be inaccurate or incomplete.
Note: See video: Proof the Roman Government invented Jesus' story - in 12 minutes. Jesus Never Existed: A Beginners Guide | Kenneth Humphreys The root of the problem is our history was fabricated after a dark age with bible chronology, before the development of archeology & stratigraphy. The Christian archeologist is confounded by two miracles: of being the only cult in history failing to build temples or churches for 300 years, and then building in the same style as the pagan basilica of 300 years before. In the XII century significant events take place, as described in the Gospels: the coming of Jesus Christ, his life and crucifixion, although the existing text of the Gospels was edited and most likely dates to the XIV-XV cc. In the mid XII century, in the year 1152, Jesus Christ is born. In secular Byzantine history he is known as Emperor Andronicus and St. Andrew the Apostle the First-Called in Russian history he was portrayed as the Great Prince Andrey Bogolyubsky. To be more specific, Andrey Bogolyubsky is a chronicler counterpart of Andronicus-Christ during his stay in Vladimir-Suzdal Rus’ of the XII century, where he spent most of his life. In fact, the Star of Bethlehem blazed in the middle of the XII century. This gives us an absolute astronomical dating of Christ’s Life. [ЦРС], ch.1. ‘Star of Bethlehem’ - is an explosion of a supernova, which at present is incorrectly dated to the middle of the XI century. The present-day Crab Nebula in the Taurus Constellation is the remnant of this explosion.
th-cam.com/video/xyhv69EFuoM/w-d-xo.html Proof the Roman Government invented Jesus' story - in 12 minutes. Defending Judaism & Christianity is easy when you can find prophets & cherubin in your Yellow Pages. How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked.
To the OI producer: 1. I wish the screen showing the speaker would be enlarged again, after showing the Thanks screen, to full-size during the Q&A period. 2. I think audience members should be limited to one question each, there are always so e who want to dominate with multiple complex questions. Thank you for such excellent productions! I enjoy them so much, and learn so much.
What a great speaker with such fascinating connections of migration of cultures. I especially enjoyed her highlighting the two distinct styles of loom weights; my mother and grandmother both used looms and I learned to card and spin the yarn on both a drop spindle and spinning wheel. Particularly interesting those two styles if weights were IN SAME household; now I am curious how the weaving styles differed. Thank you for an A1 lecture altogether. Praise the lecturer/researcher/inspiration
Good lecture, Dr. Gilboa. It is interesting to learn about the how the Canaanites and Israelites were basically the same people but diverted from each group.
@@RecordsLotus_ I'm afraid you are quite wrong Palestine is a much younger name and country. The Muslim religion did not exist until after Christ's time look up the date of Mohammed's birth. Study history. The lady knows what she is talking about.
@@donnacsuti4980 Not all that much younger. Palestine appears in Greek writings as a name for the region around 500 BC. Israel itself existed before that, but only for a few hundred years. Judah lasted longer, but mostly as a client state or province of various empires. Both modern Jews and Palestinian Arabs have strong genetic links to Canaanites, iirc, though obviously with contributions from other groups and of course very different cultural influences.
Yes. So many Videos do this. Very (ignorant/inconsiderate!) Networks do the same. HUGE ADs...of coming features--covering current-INFOrmation. I've begun to just TurnTheChannel... . \;~ (
We actually have heard your criticism, and have started to change our screen layout to accomodate this after this talk. Unfortunately, it’s not possible to go back and do the same for older lectures, but we are trying to constantly improve our presentation style- so please keep giving feedback! (kb)
It is OK but I found this other one on the same subject better presented and with a greater density of information presented: th-cam.com/video/SSXmf0fnhMU/w-d-xo.html
and? so what is your point? the rockefellar family has funded much of North America's higher education. As have the Fords, the Westinghouse family, du Ponts, Carnegies and Howard Hughes. Rockefeller's donations and foundations helped build the University of Chicago; funded medical programs that led to vaccines for meningitis, yellow fever, and other diseases; and built major schools of public health at Johns Hopkins and Harvard.
Iron in the 8th century was brought to Dor and Canaan by the Tyrians; as Dor, Acre and Ascalon were dominated by Tyre and Sidon. But again she never mentioned the Sicilians Nursghian origins of the Saqqala of Dor and Acre as well as the Washasha and the Tjekeru.
Very interesting point about whether, or, not the Bible guides Archeology. It's been my experience as a Samoan from Polynesia, that accidental discoveries have actually given some weight to the old stories. This all begins in Fiji, Tonga, and, Samoa. Basalt tools used as rock samples show up on all three of the 3k plus old Oceanic Civilizations. Along with pyramids throughout our Islands. Not to mention the Lapita Culture. My point is this the Bible, and, Archeology go hand in hand. There will always be discrepancies but something happened where someone did something so outstanding people passed on.
You do not surround the words "and" and "or" with commas. Use commas sparingly and only where they are necessary. The most appealing sentences have no commas. Short and to-the-point sentences are highly preferred across all levels of grammar classes.
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7:54 I suggest keeping distinct and separate "genres" of logs, so you have someplace to record anything you find relevant, whether it be Biblical in nature or what have you, isolating each of these paradigms without rejecting or suppressing anything.
Given the dates, i.e., the reign of David set to about 1000BC which would have been during the middle of he dark age after the Late Bronze Age Collapse, why could not the Hebrews have either been part of the Sea People coalition or at least for some reason not harassed by it. The Phoenicians were also a “sea people, (one could say, THE sea people of the iron age) and culturally-logistically similar to the Hebrews. Hiram, king of Tyre, was engaged in helping Solomon build the first Temple and there seems no indication this was simply a business arrangement. I thought the Philistines were actually given land in the Levant by the Egyptians to pacify them and have them protect Egypt’s Southern borders. Archeology is a story spun from amazingly little information and is as prone to the development of a “Standard Model,” as any other discipline. Perhaps much more so given the obvious modern religious/political pressures.
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Yes, you’re stating the say it should be. That’s called the, “is vs. aught,” dilemma. Archaeology establishes some methods and protocols for recovering and categorizing data at digs, but to say it hasn’t also created a “standard model,” story and timeline is just silly.
@@hurdygurdyguy1l don’t disagree. Archaeology began in the 19th Century with what today would be called, “amateurs”. The systematic collection of artifacts came much later.
Historical facts ? Israel didnt even exist until 80 years ago ! Fact ? You live in a wacko fantasy world ! ITS CALLED PALESTINE. THERE NEVER WAS AND THERE NEVER WILL BE AN ANCIENT ISRAEL.
I found the comment that the biblical documents know nothing about the Egyptian rule over Canaan during I guess the late bronze age? Or thereabouts? This has to be a very very powerful reality that cannot be ignored in terms of understanding what the biblical documents actually are.
@@whidoineedthis Thank you. If you know and don't mind, did the Egyptians start domesticating grain on their own, or were they already tied into Lower Mesopotamia?
@@theunfortunatespectacle7381 there are Mesopotamian cylinder seals and art motifs from the first dynasty in Egypt. So they were interacting in some way from the start. But agriculture is thousands of years older then the Egypt (3100bce) or Sumerian (4500bce) empires. It starts 10,000bce (ish) and had spread through both regions long before they were a coherent civilization. Agriculture was a prerequisite for civilization. Without is a tribe can only have about 100 members. Hunting/gathering within range of walking. Supports about 100 humans in a 50km area. To have a village, town, or later a city you need agriculture. Once you have cities you can conquer your neighbors and form kingdoms. 😉
@@TheShootist what stone tablet, the merneptah stele? It's disputed by non-biblical archeologists to say Jezreel, which would make more sense since it's the historic name of the region and encompasses multiple communities and not just one community of nomadic shepherds.
@@moodist1er Jezreel itself could easily be a variant spelling of Israel. Were "J" & "Y" not rivals in preferred spellings, and might be rendered as "I", especially if filtered through the old Roman script.
The 1209 BC Egyptian stele referencing Israel: could the name "Israel" precede the Hebrew use of the term? In other words, could the ancient Israelites have adopted the ancient, unrelated name of that land and made it their own? Put another way: what came first, Israel or the Israelites?
We have an older talk on that by Robert Ritner and Theo van den Hout, Veronica. Feel free to check it out at th-cam.com/video/A1AGe2V0qHo/w-d-xo.html (kb)
If you want to know how the archaeological findings and opinions are decided just look at who’s financing the dig and you’ll find the reigning opinion will be in agreement with the funding party . In other words bought and paid for opinions... you can twist any finding to fit any narrative .
@@54guy1 That is true of anything open to interpretation. Everyone does his/her own through the dark lens of mortal perception. No matter your base or premise. Science by definition attempts to screen out all non objective reads. But, in the hands of humans, you can guess the outcome. Most of us do the best we can.
I understand that not everyone is a born storyteller like Irvin Finkel, but that continuous ah ah ah ah ah ah unlearning would be part of the training. Despite the interesting topic I am unable to listen to it.
@@katiedotson704 Besides my own language (Dutch) I can give lectures in German, English, Italian, French, Latin and ancient Greek. In the first four languages I do this with some regularity. And yes, without bursting into uh, uh, uh after every three words. However, I must confess that in Irvin Finkel I have to acknowledge my superior, because unfortunately I am not able to bring in his humor in a natural way. May I suspect that you do not speak any foreign language at all, like most English speakers?
It was extremely distracting and I cannot listen to it either. All those 'ah,ahs' are a speech habit, not her struggling with a foreign language because she obviously actually does have good mastery. She's very excessive with it.
A simple possible explanation of why excavations of Phillistia during the Early Iron Age reveal combined Aegean and Canaanite material culture inside individual sites, is however uncomfortable likely due to sharing of homes. Being men of opposing cultures are less Leroy to share homes, I would suggest that once the Mycenaeans had conquered the area, they took some of the widows into slavery and/or their families as second wives.
Wait, are you insinuating some type of fakery, dishonesty, hi-jacking, stealing, artifact appropriation?? I'm still waiting for her to talk about how unnecessary the Balfour Declaration was cuz if I'm hearing her correctly they been there forever
Canaan never existed except for the Bible. Those were Hellenic lands with over 100 cities. The Greeks there were called Phoenicians because their progenitor was Phoenix brother of Cadmus.
Here's an old joke that illustrates the problem of archeology in the Levant: "A true intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and never think of "The Lone Ranger."" A true archeologist in the Levant is someone who can do the work without ever thinking of the bible.
The Holy Bible is meant to be a spiritual book, although you can find a lot of history in it. Therefore, her comment about how the Holy Bible doesn't mention or "know about the Egyptian rule over Israel" is unnecessary, unless you aim to use your archaeological finds to disprove the credibility or validity of the Holy Bible.
The Bible gives a clue which indicates that from the time of Solomon onwards Israel was under the control of Egypt. Solomon marrying the Egyptian princes etc
What do you mean? Follow the words of Yeshua? Well, he wasn't on earth in the flesh when the commandments were given. I guess it could have said, "in the future, listen to Yeshua. " but I think God figured we'd get that one on our own. The best reason is, God gave the commandments that he wanted to give.
@@OldHeathen1963 Because there are certain peoples gallivanting as something they are not, I don't readily accept, as reality, a lot of the so called history they are presenting.. The SUN has been here from the beginning. Why would nature create a creature which can not thrive in its environment??? Something is amiss...
Gaddiyau etc ... Are Canaanite Names ... These Scriptures Are Canaanite ... Gad in Gaddiyau ... Is The Canaanite God Of Fortune .... One important Fact is That Hebrew Canaanite Dialect became a Written language after The 5th or 4th Century in Babilonia When The Hebrew letters were invented from The Canaanite Aramian Alphabet and became A Written Language ... That's Why The Judah Kings Seals Were Still Written Either in Canaanite , Akkadian , or Egyptian Hierglyphs ..... Good Move ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because that's working backwards from a belief in a person named Ham for which no historical evidence exists. She spoke in the beginning regarding the process: First, what do the facts on the ground say? Then, one might ask how those facts compare to the mythology. She made clear in the start that her presentation was to address the former, and not the latter.
@@woodygilson3465If Ham didn't exist, then neither did Noah. And neither did Shem (Semites) nor Japheth. So where did Canaan come from? And why is the Bible all about giving his land to Abraham's descendants? And why is Canaan located archeologically where it should be according to the Bible?
@@veronicalogotheti5416 remember only part of the population Jewish ie Roman's etc ate pork. Pork was probably not always banned if you go back in history. In older times there was even human sacrifice.
Imagine if people tried to decide our country of origin based on our pots dishes furniture etc, you buy what is available and what you like. They'll probably decide we are all from China because our goods are from there
@@veronicalogotheti5416 There was no state of Is Ra El either. We're talking about a time before the distinct culture called "Israelite" emerged from Canaanites. Israelites were originally just Canaanites. The pottery was the same, the language was the same, the pantheom was the same and we now know that their DNA was the same. Israelites were Canaanites. There was no Abraham coming from Ur, there were never any Israelites enslaved in Egypt and there was never any conquest of Canaan by Israelites. Israelites were just Canaanites. They emerged around the 12th Century BCE and they never went to Egypt.
I love archeology . I' am both "fortunately and unfortunately " not connected to it by the form of any religion or acedemia , nor am i finatialy or spiritually connected to any relationship with any religion , acedemy or governance . I do understand, that such connections can often be both a benefit ( by way of support ) and detriment (by way of social control) . I admire those (beholden to such forces) that remain as truthful as possible in such situations . Because the truth is what the ones who are good are seeking and speaking, as best they can, as Im sure was the way it has always been in antient times as it surely is today . I would like to point out a similarity in the existence/non-existence of allergies , beliefs and morals as to the people of the past as well as there is today,.for instance slavery still exists today in china and many other cultures & locations today . The native americans were allergic to milk and were gifted it by those that were not, leading to confusion and war between the unwise ones of the two cultures . Similarly to the practices of cultures , religions ,academies ,and governors then and now. With respect to right and wrong. Truth will prevail as will lies and confusion .
Sadly, slavery- sexual slavery, exists throughout the world- including the western industrialized nations. Women and children are abducted and kept as a money making product. There have been cases of forced labor slavery here in the US but they rarely come to light.
Ditto. Nancy Ward, of the Cherokee, was "credited" with learning dairy practices from the colonists and disseminating the knowledge among her people. A mixed blessing.
John V. Luce (?), Author, antiquarian, classicist, of Trinity College, Dublin (?) wrote the definitive book examining the possible relation of the strongili/ kallista/thera/ santorini eruption and the Egyptian exodus. Lurid title, "the end of Atlantis", but the book is far more scholarly than would have been gleaned from the cover of the paperback I bought in 1978. It was published in 1968. Spyridon Marinatos began excavation of Akrotiri in 1967. J. V. Luce did a pretty definitive exploration of the idea the eruption provided the basis's of the Atlantis legend and the physical conditions described accompanying the Israelites Exodus from Egypt. I frequently wonder about any relationship between either relatives of Joseph or colonization from Aegean mariner traders being a part of the Hyksos culture of northern Egypt. The event could have contributed mightily to the "expulsion or conquest of the Hyksos" by Thutmose I. If northern Egypt and the surrounding sea coasts were severely impacted by earthquakes, tsunami's, falling ash and such they would have been vulnerable. The sea people may have descended from survivors who, having originally fled the areas, were driven in desperation to return to their lost lands by later drought and famine. An earlier rehoming of exiled Israelites? (edited for typo and correction and added material.)
Somebody mention the speakers inability to stop saying AH,AH AH. I’ve listen to her before and she is knowledgeable without doubt. Yet, once I read that comment, I had to stop. It’s as if she does not care. She is very sloppy in a few other ways too. I hope she can improve her ability to speak as she’s obviously very good. It’s not easy and if I had to give a talk in my “ second language”, it would be time wasted.
edit out the AHH...AHh's and the quality of this educational will triple and be much easier to follow. I am not throwing shade because i speak only 1 language and I am sure she speaks at least 2 just my two cents
I think that would be a great idea. And the content is worth the work needed to edit it. Anyone with the equipments and skills willing to tackle that? Her knowledge should not be lost or ignored because we find it awkward to access.
What is most problematic about the lecture is that she does not explain what could have led to the rise of Israel and the exclusivist mindset that led the Hebrews to wipe out entirely, by genocide, a whole number of neighboring Canaanite tribes. She says almost nothing about how Yahweh became the single God for the Hebrews. Nothing about what originally bonded the Samaritans of Israel with the Judeans in a common belief system. She left the audience with no ideas on the origins of her focus people. She is more explicit on the Philistines than on the Hebrews. All we are told is that archeology doesn't support the story of slavery in Egypt and the Exodus, and that the Hebrews probably were local folk.
I'm guessing she didn't mention the genocide because there's zero archeological evidence for it. She wouldn't have been able to explain the rest from the archeological evidence so anything she would say would be conjecture.
@@jhuizinga1 So many major battles of the past left no archeological evidence behind them, such as mass skeletons laying deep underground were the battles took place. So what kind of archeological evidence would you expect for a genocide that took place some 3000 years ago? Biblical books like that of the Exodus talk about the Hebrews slaughtering the various tribes that lived on that territory so why would there be good reason to dismiss that a genocide took place? What happened to the many tribes that lived in the hills that the Hebrews claimed exclusively for themselves?
@@lauraly2712 a battle in the middle of nowhere, sure. But the list of cities apparently razed by the Israelites should have corresponding destruction layers at the correct and same time period. That's not what the evidence shows. There was no reason for Isreal and Judah to perform a genocide because they weren't moving into the area, they'd been living there the whole time.
@@jhuizinga1 Yet no serious Jewish archeologist denies those cities existed and were earlier Canaanite, including Jerusalem. Are you suggesting that the Canaanites vanished just in time for the Hebrew kingdoms to arise? Also, why does the Bible not only describe the genocides but presents G-d as commanding Moses and his successors to liquidate every man, woman, and child of a whole line of non-Hebrew tribes living in that area?
@@lauraly2712 what's a serious Jewish archeologist? Someone who insists on believing their holy book over reality? I'd argue there are many more American Christians who have that problem. All serious archeologists (Jewish or otherwise) have thrown out the idea that the people who later became Jews were anything but Canaanites whose religion changed over the years to become more monotheistic. That's what all of the evidence shows. There was no destruction, no mass death, no sudden replacement of Canaanite culture with Jewish culture in situ... It's not just absence of evidence, it's clear and unequivocal evidence of absence.
Ofcourse ... What Should A Zionist Colonizer Of Palestine Say about The Real Natives Of Palestine ???!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The Real Problematic Fact Were These Hebrew Pastors who Occupied The Canaanites Land by The Sword ... But This Is What The World is Like ... The Victorios Thugs Are The Ones Who make History by Their World Capital ....
hire someone with energy, syntax, cadence, and some type of storytelling ability. That was impossible to focus through. Great research, but I think you would gain a lot more interest in learning from appreciating these things. I think this is a very common problem with education.
Palestine was Named in Luwian inscriptions of The 21th Century ... Even before abraham existed ... The Phoenicians ( Canaanite ) Are The Sea People ... All Of Them ... because They Were Good Marines and Were Able To Colonize all The mediterrenean Coasts and Islands ... Even South Britain ... but The Palestinians ( Philistins or Phelestú in The Canaanite Language Are Aborigins And Native Canaanites of Palestine .... The Are Not Strangers In The Land Call Palestine ... The Same as The Greek Are from Greece And The Romans are from Rome etc ....
Lecture begins at 3:21
Q&A begins at 1:17:20
The Oriental Institute thank you. And thank you also for the endlessly fascinating lectures :-)
Thank you, and thank you for providing these lectures to watch. They're a treasure.
Cool. Thank you!
Very interesting lecture. Thankyou.
You know your viewers... :)
I watched this lecture a few years ago. I was so impressed with this Israeli archaeologist's honesty in regard to the true history of Israel. It seems as though most Israeli and Zionist Christians archaeology is conducted for the purpose of finding proof that the Bible is historically accurate. Real archaeology should never have a preconceived, desired result. Ayelet is a true archaeologist that allows the facts and findings to be result of her research. Because of her honesty and dedication, it seems that Ayelet has been shuffled away from the limelight she so richly deserves. I could not remember her name, so I went to Wikipedia in search of Israeli Archaeologist. Incredibly, her name was not to be found. Fortunately, after many, many searches I found this video.
Zionist Christian archaeology. 🤔 of course they want to prove the bible ..just as Islamists distort scientific facts to try and prove the nonsense of koran , Islam
This is a outstanding lecture about Israel, Canaan, Phoenicia and the entire Levant from the Bronze Age collapse c 1170 to about 800 BCE.
harrytpk exactly the time i am interested in.
Rubbish she cant communicate any passion or interest. As dull as possiy
outstanding that is a complete and total lie. israel didnt even exist until 80 years ago. THERE NEVER WAS AND THERE NEVER WILL BE AN "ANCIENT ISRAEL"
@@RecordsLotus_ racist much?
@@RecordsLotus_ So ... the ancient texts of the Jewish people do not mention an Israel along the Mediterranean coast?
What does this say about your credibility !?!
Listening to lectures like these and documentaries help me sleep so thank you
Like wise
Lol burn
@@saskiascott8181 not a burn, a compliment. Its interesting enough to watch but calmly done to ease into sleep
@@rademfam6856 I misunderstood! Thanks
@@saskiascott8181 all good, I can see how what I wrote can seem like it's boring enough to fall asleep to but I enjoy these while I fall asleep.. It's perfect
Conclusions from Prof. Gilboa’s slides with minor edits
1. In the 12th ~ 11th centuries, after the Late Bronze Age collapse and especially after the withdrawal of the Egyptians, the southern Levant was in social and demographic havoc, especially in the south, close to Egypt, where the disappearance of the Egyptians was particularly felt. This enabled the relatively peaceful infiltration of newcomers fleeing the LBA collapse.
2. In the core (mountainous) areas of the future Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, populations are largely of Canaanite descent.
3. Even in the other coastal areas, no large scale violent population influx is in evidence. But in the region we now call Philistia, newcomers, mainly from Cyprus and the Agean, mingled with the ‘locals’, achieving high status because of the social chaos and formed a new identity. These are the Philistines.
4. Cypriot newcomers also reached the more northerly coast of modern Israel (and coastal Lebanon) but the material manifestation of these Cypriotes (and the societies they were absorbed into) is entirely different than in Philistia. Today we call them Phoenicians. They were the main sailors and traders of the era. Only after Dor and the entire Carmel coast was annexed by the Israelite Kingdoms, and Dor loses its maritime importance, do the kingdoms of Tyre and Sidon gain supremacy.
To conclude, Israelites, Philistines, and Phoenicians are all ‘genetically’ mostly Canaanite in ancestry. Ethnogenesis (the formation of new identity groups) occurs in situ: new, separate identities emerge within Canaan, in opposition to each other, dictated by geographical and demographic settings, economy extent of foreign interactions, and also by external populations arriving after the Bronze Age collapse. Construction of identities occurs in tandem and is interdependent.
thank you for condensing this complicated subject into a more accessible form.
This summary of the lecture is much appreciated! Though I am aware of the importance of this information and do not dispute this womans knowledge in any way, I personally found the actual lecture to be painfully difficult to listen to.
Thank you for doing this!
Much appreciated. Thanks.
SMART GUY, FUNNY HOW YOU IGNORE THE FACT THAT ISRAEL DIDNT EVEN EXIST UNTIL 80 YEARS AGO AND YOU IGNORE THE ENTIRE FALSE PREMISE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS "ANCIENT ISRAEL" A TOTAL AND COMPLETE LIE. ITS CALLED PALESTINE.
@@RecordsLotus_ To be clear, I just transcribed Prof. Gilboa’s summary slides from her lecture, although I don't disagree with her conclusions.
The period under discussion is after Egypt lost control of the region following the Late Bronze Age collapse, around 1177 BC. By about 800 BC, there were two kingdoms in the area, the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah, as well as the Philistines in the south and the Phoenicians in the north.
The point of this lecture was to try to understand the ethnic and cultural makeup of the populations living in the middle east at that time.
So very well done!!!! Your presentation encapsulated many years of personal observation, opinion and speculation on my part in defacto laity. I've forwarded this link to several who I believe will benefit from your very easily digestible spread of wonderful info. Again, fantastic!!
I've seen speculation that Moses' name is Egyptian with Tutmoses' name cited but nothing about them being the same. Odd to think he'd return to Egypt at point of demise and be entombed as such. Don't suspect that the man intentionally withheld info but rather presented thst which he'd considered most relevant for his purpose.
Exceptional subject. I study Near Eastern religions. Just beginning to. Great lecture.
How do I say this without being censored?
After October 7th, I decided to read a book about the bible. I read "The Bible Unearthed" by Finklestein and Silberman. It explains how it was written over many centuries, drawing from legends, memories and myths and peoples and individuals not necessarily Hebrew but appropriated and glamorized by the writers.
Then I watch this and other videos of lectures, including the apocalyptic tales, the ethno narcissism, and avoidance of others. The wars and conquests (most fiction) at the direction of their God and the expectation of a messiah who will smite their enemies (translation: everybody).
I realize, in my youth, I was educated about a very sterilized and benign Old Testament.
However, there is nothing benign about Judiasm. It's strange and scary. Very strange and very scary.
The veracity of the Bible is often regarded as sacred, while "scientific" proofs are continually revised as previous "proofs" are found to be inaccurate or incomplete.
Note: See video: Proof the Roman Government invented Jesus' story - in 12 minutes.
Jesus Never Existed: A Beginners Guide | Kenneth Humphreys
The root of the problem is our history was fabricated after a dark age with bible chronology, before the development of archeology & stratigraphy.
The Christian archeologist is confounded by two miracles: of being the only cult in history failing to build temples or churches for 300 years, and then building in the same style as the pagan basilica of 300 years before.
In the XII century significant events take place, as described in the Gospels: the coming of Jesus Christ, his life and crucifixion, although the existing text of the Gospels was edited and most likely dates to the XIV-XV cc. In the mid XII century, in the year 1152, Jesus Christ is born. In secular Byzantine history he is known as Emperor Andronicus and St. Andrew the Apostle the First-Called in Russian history he was portrayed as the Great Prince Andrey Bogolyubsky. To be more specific, Andrey Bogolyubsky is a chronicler counterpart of Andronicus-Christ during his stay in Vladimir-Suzdal Rus’ of the XII century, where he spent most of his life. In fact, the Star of Bethlehem blazed in the middle of the XII century. This gives us an absolute astronomical dating of Christ’s Life. [ЦРС], ch.1. ‘Star of Bethlehem’ - is an explosion of a supernova, which at present is incorrectly dated to the middle of the XI century. The present-day Crab Nebula in the Taurus Constellation is the remnant of this explosion.
th-cam.com/video/xyhv69EFuoM/w-d-xo.html Proof the Roman Government invented Jesus' story - in 12 minutes.
Defending Judaism & Christianity is easy when you can find prophets & cherubin in your Yellow Pages.
How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked.
Many things are strange and scary if u are white
To the OI producer: 1. I wish the screen showing the speaker would be enlarged again, after showing the Thanks screen, to full-size during the Q&A period. 2. I think audience members should be limited to one question each, there are always so e who want to dominate with multiple complex questions. Thank you for such excellent productions! I enjoy them so much, and learn so much.
What a great speaker with such fascinating connections of migration of cultures. I especially enjoyed her highlighting the two distinct styles of loom weights; my mother and grandmother both used looms and I learned to card and spin the yarn on both a drop spindle and spinning wheel.
Particularly interesting those two styles if weights were IN SAME household; now I am curious how the weaving styles differed.
Thank you for an A1 lecture altogether. Praise the lecturer/researcher/inspiration
kho kho khomkhokho what a joke of a language 🤣
Very informative and interesting talk. Thank you.
Good lecture, Dr. Gilboa. It is interesting to learn about the how the Canaanites and Israelites were basically the same people but diverted from each group.
the israelites where a branch of canaan as the tribe of shammar today are a branch from the arabs
There's no such thing as 'israelite' !! Didnt exist ! They were Palestinian Arabs. Israel didnt exist until 80 years ago.
@@RecordsLotus_
Did you watch the lecture, like, at all?
@@RecordsLotus_ I'm afraid you are quite wrong Palestine is a much younger name and country. The Muslim religion did not exist until after Christ's time look up the date of Mohammed's birth. Study history. The lady knows what she is talking about.
@@donnacsuti4980 Not all that much younger. Palestine appears in Greek writings as a name for the region around 500 BC. Israel itself existed before that, but only for a few hundred years. Judah lasted longer, but mostly as a client state or province of various empires.
Both modern Jews and Palestinian Arabs have strong genetic links to Canaanites, iirc, though obviously with contributions from other groups and of course very different cultural influences.
Excellent presentation illuminating place and people of the era.
25:23 Very sad that the lower-right inset showing the speaker covers up interesting text.
Yes. So many Videos do this. Very (ignorant/inconsiderate!) Networks do the same. HUGE ADs...of coming features--covering current-INFOrmation. I've begun to just TurnTheChannel... . \;~ (
We actually have heard your criticism, and have started to change our screen layout to accomodate this after this talk. Unfortunately, it’s not possible to go back and do the same for older lectures, but we are trying to constantly improve our presentation style- so please keep giving feedback! (kb)
@@ISAC_UChicago Thank you, making improvements based on viewer input is much appreciated.
This is the best lecture on archeology i have ever seen. Excellent execution
It is OK but I found this other one on the same subject better presented and with a greater density of information presented: th-cam.com/video/SSXmf0fnhMU/w-d-xo.html
Excellent lecture. I did not know much about Dor.
Really interesting; wish the lecture were twice as long!
Yes, that's the only weak point of this presentation: It is too short
Great, great video.
Thank OI for another wonderful _ and free _ lecture. If it was longer I would have continued watching.
Isn't the Rockefellers big founders of the Oriental Institute AR rather shareholders
and? so what is your point? the rockefellar family has funded much of North America's higher education. As have the Fords, the Westinghouse family, du Ponts, Carnegies and Howard Hughes. Rockefeller's donations and foundations helped build the University of Chicago; funded medical programs that led to vaccines for meningitis, yellow fever, and other diseases; and built major schools of public health at Johns Hopkins and Harvard.
@@TheShootist making sure don't get offended
@@TheShootist Is that the same Rockefeller that shut down homeopathic medicine, and gave us our uh, uh, uh, uhm endoctrination system???
Iron in the 8th century was brought to Dor and Canaan by the Tyrians; as Dor, Acre and Ascalon were dominated by Tyre and Sidon. But again she never mentioned the Sicilians Nursghian origins of the Saqqala of Dor and Acre as well as the Washasha and the Tjekeru.
Very interesting point about whether, or, not the Bible guides Archeology. It's been my experience as a Samoan from Polynesia, that accidental discoveries have actually given some weight to the old stories.
This all begins in Fiji, Tonga, and, Samoa. Basalt tools used as rock samples show up on all three of the 3k plus old Oceanic Civilizations. Along with pyramids throughout our Islands. Not to mention the Lapita Culture.
My point is this the Bible, and, Archeology go hand in hand. There will always be discrepancies but something happened where someone did something so outstanding people passed on.
Have those pyramids been excavated? Anything of importance found?
You do not surround the words "and" and "or" with commas. Use commas sparingly and only where they are necessary. The most appealing sentences have no commas. Short and to-the-point sentences are highly preferred across all levels of grammar classes.
@@NaturalBornKelli Thanks Multi-lingual it happens. As long as you get my drift.
@@wesstone7571 The fact that any of these relics of our past exist should important enough in my book.
I have a school marm😂😂😂
What About Acre , Gaza , Dor , Ashkelon , Hazor , Hebron , Jerusalem , Sequim etc ... These Were Poor Cities Without People ??????!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good lecture. Put playback speed at 1.5X though 🙂
7:54 I suggest keeping distinct and separate "genres" of logs, so you have someplace to record anything you find relevant, whether it be Biblical in nature or what have you, isolating each of these paradigms without rejecting or suppressing anything.
Good presentation but major mistake abt the Stele of Merneptah bec it is not Israel but Isiriar found meaning “displaced” and not “El rules”
Thank you very much.
41:09 what happened between 1200-900 BCE
Given the dates, i.e., the reign of David set to about 1000BC which would have been during the middle of he dark age after the Late Bronze Age Collapse, why could not the Hebrews have either been part of the Sea People coalition or at least for some reason not harassed by it.
The Phoenicians were also a “sea people, (one could say, THE sea people of the iron age) and culturally-logistically similar to the Hebrews. Hiram, king of Tyre, was engaged in helping Solomon build the first Temple and there seems no indication this was simply a business arrangement.
I thought the Philistines were actually given land in the Levant by the Egyptians to pacify them and have them protect Egypt’s Southern borders.
Archeology is a story spun from amazingly little information and is as prone to the development of a “Standard Model,” as any other discipline. Perhaps much more so given the obvious modern religious/political pressures.
No, Archaeology is not the "story," it's just the method for uncovering data. The "story" comes from the interpretation of the data.
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Yes, you’re stating the say it should be. That’s called the, “is vs. aught,” dilemma. Archaeology establishes some methods and protocols for recovering and categorizing data at digs, but to say it hasn’t also created a “standard model,” story and timeline is just silly.
"Phoenicians" was the name given to Canaanites by the Greeks.
@@hurdygurdyguy1l don’t disagree. Archaeology began in the 19th Century with what today would be called, “amateurs”. The systematic collection of artifacts came much later.
Science uncovered evidence you have Neanderthal DNA!
Put that in god's pipe and smoke it!
Also she didn’t mention the origins of the Saqqala or Sheqelesh (Sicilian Nuraghians) in Dor
You can never usa a bible as a primary aource..At the very most it should only be used to cross reference events already verified.
I’m sure this person knows what they’re doing.
The Bible is the premier source of history.
@@christopherarner8322 the bible is a handy frame of reference to help sort concurrent histories.
Excellent presentation of historical facts. I admire your knowledge of Euro-Asian (Middle East) history.
Historical facts ? Israel didnt even exist until 80 years ago ! Fact ? You live in a wacko fantasy world ! ITS CALLED PALESTINE. THERE NEVER WAS AND THERE NEVER WILL BE AN ANCIENT ISRAEL.
I found the comment that the biblical documents know nothing about the Egyptian rule over Canaan during I guess the late bronze age? Or thereabouts?
This has to be a very very powerful reality that cannot be ignored in terms of understanding what the biblical documents actually are.
All religions stolen from KAMIT
@@kamitecnative3286 and before kamit?
@@paladro not religious part
Fraudulent documents. They miss a lot of real actual history.
I really enjoyed that elucidating lecture and now crave more!
th-cam.com/video/SSXmf0fnhMU/w-d-xo.html
I love these lectures, and was jolted to hear about Egypt needing wheat and barley from the Negev. Didn't Egypt feed the Mediterranean with its wheat?
Different time period
Needed olive & grape more than grains. I think this is more correct as Egypt was huge grain center but could grow these other products
@@whidoineedthis Thank you.
If you know and don't mind, did the Egyptians start domesticating grain on their own, or were they already tied into Lower Mesopotamia?
@@theunfortunatespectacle7381 i think before it was called Egypt they were already tied together from prior meetings.
@@theunfortunatespectacle7381 there are Mesopotamian cylinder seals and art motifs from the first dynasty in Egypt. So they were interacting in some way from the start. But agriculture is thousands of years older then the Egypt (3100bce) or Sumerian (4500bce) empires.
It starts
10,000bce (ish) and had spread through both regions long before they were a coherent civilization. Agriculture was a prerequisite for civilization. Without is a tribe can only have about 100 members. Hunting/gathering within range of walking. Supports about 100 humans in a 50km area. To have a village, town, or later a city you need agriculture. Once you have cities you can conquer your neighbors and form kingdoms. 😉
Still within the old paradigma that take the Old Testament as historical book. But she seems to be moving to the minimalist position.
What evidence makes any of these sites "Israelite" except for the vocal repetition of the idea?
well, the word Israel is right there on that stone tablet.
@@TheShootist what stone tablet, the merneptah stele? It's disputed by non-biblical archeologists to say Jezreel, which would make more sense since it's the historic name of the region and encompasses multiple communities and not just one community of nomadic shepherds.
@@moodist1er Jezreel itself could easily be a variant spelling of Israel.
Were "J" & "Y" not rivals in preferred spellings, and might be rendered as "I", especially if filtered through the old Roman script.
Very interesting
The 1209 BC Egyptian stele referencing Israel: could the name "Israel" precede the Hebrew use of the term? In other words, could the ancient Israelites have adopted the ancient, unrelated name of that land and made it their own?
Put another way: what came first, Israel or the Israelites?
We need to find out what the 25 of dec really means!!!
A party to keep spirits up while in Winter
Hope she does more lectures =)
Allow me to speculate that it was the same sort of situation as the British in India.
That’s a female"?!
@@jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617 Yes, sorry you don't get to see many irl so you can't identify one.
What about the kadesh battle
We have an older talk on that by Robert Ritner and Theo van den Hout, Veronica. Feel free to check it out at th-cam.com/video/A1AGe2V0qHo/w-d-xo.html
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It would be nice to get beyond religion. Way beyond.
What a silly statement.
@@Degenwise yar.
Amen! 😂
You are so right!
If you want to know how the archaeological findings and opinions are decided just look at who’s financing the dig and you’ll find the reigning opinion will be in agreement with the funding party . In other words bought and paid for opinions... you can twist any finding to fit any narrative .
100% right! Archeology is extremely politicians too
That Is about to change With what Is taking place In Ukraine.
When that goes south- the cat will be out the bag so to speak.
Blessed Be.
And that is the same with ALL "science".
That comment and these replies 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Haysoos Fookin' Chrysler!
@@54guy1 That is true of anything open to interpretation.
Everyone does his/her own through the dark lens of mortal perception.
No matter your base or premise.
Science by definition attempts to screen out all non objective reads.
But, in the hands of humans, you can guess the outcome.
Most of us do the best we can.
What to you mean
The alphabet was from ugarit
Indoeupean
I understand that not everyone is a born storyteller like Irvin Finkel, but that continuous ah ah ah ah ah ah unlearning would be part of the training. Despite the interesting topic I am unable to listen to it.
@@katiedotson704 Besides my own language (Dutch) I can give lectures in German, English, Italian, French, Latin and ancient Greek. In the first four languages I do this with some regularity. And yes, without bursting into uh, uh, uh after every three words. However, I must confess that in Irvin Finkel I have to acknowledge my superior, because unfortunately I am not able to bring in his humor in a natural way.
May I suspect that you do not speak any foreign language at all, like most English speakers?
It was extremely distracting and I cannot listen to it either. All those 'ah,ahs' are a speech habit, not her struggling with a foreign language because she obviously actually does have good mastery. She's very excessive with it.
@@bcvanrijswijk wow you absolutely OWNED her with that, and with such grace. Well done!
So kind of you to tell us about your problem.
eeeeuh eeeeeeuh eeeeeeuh 30 minutes getting crazy now,, eeeeu ah eu a e i o u
That is the volcan of santorini
Different people
The are talking about greece
That put the vowels to the indoeuropeans later on
A simple possible explanation of why excavations of Phillistia during the Early Iron Age reveal combined Aegean and Canaanite material culture inside individual sites, is however uncomfortable likely due to sharing of homes. Being men of opposing cultures are less Leroy to share homes, I would suggest that once the Mycenaeans had conquered the area, they took some of the widows into slavery and/or their families as second wives.
Gotta love how all the artifacts israel find are all arab, amalek or persian.
Wait, are you insinuating some type of fakery, dishonesty, hi-jacking, stealing, artifact appropriation?? I'm still waiting for her to talk about how unnecessary the Balfour Declaration was cuz if I'm hearing her correctly they been there forever
@rubenhernandez2431 History says they are Cursed.
Canaan never existed except for the Bible. Those were Hellenic lands with over 100 cities. The Greeks there were called Phoenicians because their progenitor was Phoenix brother of Cadmus.
Excellent, I wish Dr. Gilboa could have had two hours to present all the information she wanted to. Fifty minutes is too short for these lectures.
Juda is the south
Israel is the north
judea
Er er er er ,it er er er drove me er er er mad!😳
Here's an old joke that illustrates the problem of archeology in the Levant:
"A true intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and never think of "The Lone Ranger.""
A true archeologist in the Levant is someone who can do the work without ever thinking of the bible.
The Holy Bible is meant to be a spiritual book, although you can find a lot of history in it. Therefore, her comment about how the Holy Bible doesn't mention or "know about the Egyptian rule over Israel" is unnecessary, unless you aim to use your archaeological finds to disprove the credibility or validity of the Holy Bible.
Did anyone else notice the two pyramids in the thumbnail of this video?! They're very obvious!
@Mission Gameliel pretty nearly.
Sea people were before the phoenicuans
Exactly and Minoan too
You might have to be a bit of an expert to appreciate just how fraught and dangerous her topic is, but it is.
okay mr. expert
It takes me back to Esau.
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The Bible gives a clue which indicates that from the time of Solomon onwards Israel was under the control of Egypt. Solomon marrying the Egyptian princes etc
Solomon never existed.
Circus ringleaders are so stubborn.
Question; Ancient Israel is a 'Problematic Entity' how?
"other problematic entites". and if you don't know, you ain't payin' attention.
@@TheShootist That's not an answer.
They need to explain why Deuteronomy 18:18-19 is not one of their 613 Jewish commandments.
What do you mean? Follow the words of Yeshua? Well, he wasn't on earth in the flesh when the commandments were given. I guess it could have said, "in the future, listen to Yeshua. " but I think God figured we'd get that one on our own. The best reason is, God gave the commandments that he wanted to give.
It's an archaeology lecture, not theology.
They went there
what happens to the Imposter who was not written in the Book of Life
Thank lord for DNA im canaanite/shemite..have so much ancient dna
all dna is ancient.
@@TheShootist but all dna aint EUMELANATED tho
@@negusx8806
Isn't that a side issue? That some ancient DNA has it and others do not?
@@OldHeathen1963 Because there are certain peoples gallivanting as something they are not, I don't readily accept, as reality, a lot of the so called history they are presenting.. The SUN has been here from the beginning. Why would nature create a creature which can not thrive in its environment??? Something is amiss...
They went to sea cost next to jerusalen
Gaddiyau etc ... Are Canaanite Names ... These Scriptures Are Canaanite ... Gad in Gaddiyau ... Is The Canaanite God Of Fortune .... One important Fact is That Hebrew Canaanite Dialect became a Written language after The 5th or 4th Century in Babilonia When The Hebrew letters were invented from The Canaanite Aramian Alphabet and became A Written Language ... That's Why The Judah Kings Seals Were Still Written Either in Canaanite , Akkadian , or Egyptian Hierglyphs ..... Good Move ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They are not the same people
The connection between Egypt and Cannan is the fact that they were both Hamites how y'all miss that !
Because that's working backwards from a belief in a person named Ham for which no historical evidence exists. She spoke in the beginning regarding the process: First, what do the facts on the ground say? Then, one might ask how those facts compare to the mythology. She made clear in the start that her presentation was to address the former, and not the latter.
@@woodygilson3465If Ham didn't exist, then neither did Noah. And neither did Shem (Semites) nor Japheth. So where did Canaan come from? And why is the Bible all about giving his land to Abraham's descendants? And why is Canaan located archeologically where it should be according to the Bible?
@@HellenofTroy897 Is Greek mythology true because it mentions Greece?
Is in europe
You posted like 20 poorly spelled, incoherent messages. It’s like you think you’re having a conversation with the video 😂
“Is in Europe” 😂
@@MrShanester117 but did you understand them
@@veronicalogotheti5416 I haven't
that's a good microphone
What do you mean
In israel they didnt eat pork
What do you even mean by "Israel?" There was no state of Israel at this time.
@@Ken_Scaletta is ra el
@@veronicalogotheti5416 remember only part of the population Jewish ie Roman's etc ate pork. Pork was probably not always banned if you go back in history. In older times there was even human sacrifice.
Imagine if people tried to decide our country of origin based on our pots dishes furniture etc, you buy what is available and what you like. They'll probably decide we are all from China because our goods are from there
@@veronicalogotheti5416 There was no state of Is Ra El either. We're talking about a time before the distinct culture called "Israelite" emerged from Canaanites. Israelites were originally just Canaanites. The pottery was the same, the language was the same, the pantheom was the same and we now know that their DNA was the same. Israelites were Canaanites. There was no Abraham coming from Ur, there were never any Israelites enslaved in Egypt and there was never any conquest of Canaan by Israelites. Israelites were just Canaanites. They emerged around the 12th Century BCE and they never went to Egypt.
Wasnt the whole place destroyed by a meteorite strike/air blast? No wonder the place was empty in 2000-1800 bc
I love archeology . I' am both "fortunately and unfortunately " not connected to it by the form of any religion or acedemia , nor am i finatialy or spiritually connected to any relationship with any religion , acedemy or governance . I do understand, that such connections can often be both a benefit ( by way of support ) and detriment (by way of social control) . I admire those (beholden to such forces) that remain as truthful as possible in such situations . Because the truth is what the ones who are good are seeking and speaking, as best they can, as Im sure was the way it has always been in antient times as it surely is today . I would like to point out a similarity in the existence/non-existence of allergies , beliefs and morals as to the people of the past as well as there is today,.for instance slavery still exists today in china and many other cultures & locations today . The native americans were allergic to milk and were gifted it by those that were not, leading to confusion and war between the unwise ones of the two cultures . Similarly to the practices of cultures , religions ,academies ,and governors then and now. With respect to right and wrong. Truth will prevail as will lies and confusion .
Sadly, slavery- sexual slavery, exists throughout the world- including the western industrialized nations. Women and children are abducted and kept as a money making product.
There have been cases of forced labor slavery here in the US but they rarely come to light.
Ditto.
Nancy Ward, of the Cherokee, was "credited" with learning dairy practices from the colonists and disseminating the knowledge among her people. A mixed blessing.
Like the film
From the brothers
From 1500bc
Like the minoans
Other people went there
You can see is a bad copy
The hicsos when they frew them out of egypt where did they go
John V. Luce (?), Author, antiquarian, classicist, of Trinity College, Dublin (?) wrote the definitive book examining the possible relation of the strongili/ kallista/thera/ santorini eruption and the Egyptian exodus. Lurid title, "the end of Atlantis", but the book is far more scholarly than would have been gleaned from the cover of the paperback I bought in 1978. It was published in 1968.
Spyridon Marinatos began excavation of Akrotiri in 1967.
J. V. Luce did a pretty definitive exploration of the idea the eruption provided the basis's of the Atlantis legend and the physical conditions described accompanying the Israelites Exodus from Egypt.
I frequently wonder about any relationship between either relatives of Joseph or colonization from Aegean mariner traders being a part of the Hyksos culture of northern Egypt.
The event could have contributed mightily to the "expulsion or conquest of the Hyksos" by Thutmose I. If northern Egypt and the surrounding sea coasts were severely impacted by earthquakes, tsunami's, falling ash and such they would have been vulnerable.
The sea people may have descended from survivors who, having originally fled the areas, were driven in desperation to return to their lost lands by later drought and famine. An earlier rehoming of exiled Israelites?
(edited for typo and correction and added material.)
Don't believe everything you see and hear unless you were there.
So only what you personally see and hear is all that exists and all that ever will?
@@woodygilson3465 Yes
@@woodygilson3465Find out why they said what they said, with a open mind 😊
@@OldHeathen1963 I think it's fairly self evident - either ignorance or solipsism or both.
Somebody mention the speakers inability to stop saying AH,AH AH.
I’ve listen to her before and she is knowledgeable without doubt. Yet, once I read that comment, I had to stop.
It’s as if she does not care. She is very sloppy in a few other ways too.
I hope she can improve her ability to speak as she’s obviously very good.
It’s not easy and if I had to give a talk in my “ second language”, it would be time wasted.
Lighten up
edit out the AHH...AHh's and the quality of this educational will triple and be much easier to follow. I am not throwing shade because i speak only 1 language and I am sure she speaks at least 2 just my two cents
I’d have a panic attack giving a lecture in the only language I speak. She did great giving a lecture in her 2nd (or 3rd or 4th or 5th) language!
@@mikeappleget482 I agree. She delivered her lecture very well, all considered.
She pronounces greek words and places/cities with very genuine greek accent, she surely speaks, at least a bit of, greek...
Absolutely. Watched at x1.5 - still too slow an this ah-ah even more ah-ah-annoying.
I think that would be a great idea.
And the content is worth the work needed to edit it. Anyone with the equipments and skills willing to tackle that?
Her knowledge should not be lost or ignored because we find it awkward to access.
What is most problematic about the lecture is that she does not explain what could have led to the rise of Israel and the exclusivist mindset that led the Hebrews to wipe out entirely, by genocide, a whole number of neighboring Canaanite tribes. She says almost nothing about how Yahweh became the single God for the Hebrews. Nothing about what originally bonded the Samaritans of Israel with the Judeans in a common belief system. She left the audience with no ideas on the origins of her focus people. She is more explicit on the Philistines than on the Hebrews. All we are told is that archeology doesn't support the story of slavery in Egypt and the Exodus, and that the Hebrews probably were local folk.
I'm guessing she didn't mention the genocide because there's zero archeological evidence for it.
She wouldn't have been able to explain the rest from the archeological evidence so anything she would say would be conjecture.
@@jhuizinga1 So many major battles of the past left no archeological evidence behind them, such as mass skeletons laying deep underground were the battles took place. So what kind of archeological evidence would you expect for a genocide that took place some 3000 years ago? Biblical books like that of the Exodus talk about the Hebrews slaughtering the various tribes that lived on that territory so why would there be good reason to dismiss that a genocide took place? What happened to the many tribes that lived in the hills that the Hebrews claimed exclusively for themselves?
@@lauraly2712 a battle in the middle of nowhere, sure. But the list of cities apparently razed by the Israelites should have corresponding destruction layers at the correct and same time period. That's not what the evidence shows.
There was no reason for Isreal and Judah to perform a genocide because they weren't moving into the area, they'd been living there the whole time.
@@jhuizinga1 Yet no serious Jewish archeologist denies those cities existed and were earlier Canaanite, including Jerusalem. Are you suggesting that the Canaanites vanished just in time for the Hebrew kingdoms to arise? Also, why does the Bible not only describe the genocides but presents G-d as commanding Moses and his successors to liquidate every man, woman, and child of a whole line of non-Hebrew tribes living in that area?
@@lauraly2712 what's a serious Jewish archeologist? Someone who insists on believing their holy book over reality? I'd argue there are many more American Christians who have that problem.
All serious archeologists (Jewish or otherwise) have thrown out the idea that the people who later became Jews were anything but Canaanites whose religion changed over the years to become more monotheistic. That's what all of the evidence shows.
There was no destruction, no mass death, no sudden replacement of Canaanite culture with Jewish culture in situ...
It's not just absence of evidence, it's clear and unequivocal evidence of absence.
Problematic?
Ofcourse ... What Should A Zionist Colonizer Of Palestine Say about The Real Natives Of Palestine ???!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The Real Problematic Fact Were These Hebrew Pastors who Occupied The Canaanites Land by The Sword ... But This Is What The World is Like ... The Victorios Thugs Are The Ones Who make History by Their World Capital ....
Indeed.
as in defying simple explanations, or as in the popular beliefs seem to contradict verifiable facts.
sheesh
@Jahwobbly oh please, it was an understandable question with how everything is lately....sheesh
hire someone with energy, syntax, cadence, and some type of storytelling ability. That was impossible to focus through.
Great research, but I think you would gain a lot more interest in learning from appreciating these things. I think this is a very common problem with education.
So those in samaria had a different yave
The egypgians wrote the names of the tribes
Danune and more
Thanks four sharing this.
Can you please share the source ?
All The Names In Canaan Were Canaanite ... Hebrew didn't Exist in The 9th Century ... but after The 5th Century ... Hebrew Names ????!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Anyway we had alexander
The seleucidas
Bell Beaker / Germanians
The Names Are Canaanite EL ZEDEK IS CANAANITE NAME ... if It Was Hebrew ... IT WILL BE HA TZEDEK .... 😡😡😡😡😡
It shows the ones before 1200bc were sea people
The neighbords of israel had yawe
Unnngh-Unnnngh- Egypt needed Canaanite agriculture-unnngh.
When are they going to admit that our ancestors where way more advanced than we are
Who are they?The Wizards?
Egyptian symbols too!
There are many in asia
They took what they found
Well the egyptians didnt write about myceneans
You dont have it in your dna
They did using different names
Palestine was Named in Luwian inscriptions of The 21th Century ... Even before abraham existed ... The Phoenicians ( Canaanite ) Are The Sea People ... All Of Them ... because They Were Good Marines and Were Able To Colonize all The mediterrenean Coasts and Islands ... Even South Britain ... but The Palestinians ( Philistins or Phelestú in The Canaanite Language Are Aborigins And Native Canaanites of Palestine .... The Are Not Strangers In The Land Call Palestine ... The Same as The Greek Are from Greece And The Romans are from Rome etc ....
I like the title.....🙂
This Is Not History ... but A fairy Tale Class ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The jews of yave didnt cross anything
Is purple fiction