*"However, Christians read video descriptions even less than they read their Bibles. Which is saying a lot. Thus the need for this disclaimer."* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Warren, they'll just say it's not God's will for them to read video descriptions before they lose their minds... 😂
This should be the disclaimer for JMac, Washer, Piper, Lawson... "The following views & opinions from this pulpit, do not reflect the truth, validity & varsity of scripture!"
I’ve noticed that all one needs to do to refute Calvinism is to simply state it’s beliefs plainly. Then just leave it at that. No special argumentation needed. For some reason, this offends Calvinists. Either it’s because we’re telling the truth, or it’s because God Sovereignly decreed for us to offend them. Difficult to tell.
@@TrinityChurchOshawaWhat do you mean by 'no control'? I hold to dynamic omniscience and free will. Free will is Biblical and in keeping with a high view of God. A high of view of God lays sin at the feet of the humans who make evil choices and salvation arrives from Jesus's love for us. He willingly sacrificing himself and rescues us from being dead in our sin. A low view of God places both sin and salvation at the feet of God as some kind of sick puppeteer. The low view of God mistakenly thinks that just because God chooses to give us free will, makes God weak and bereft of sovereignty but this couldn't be further from the truth. God is showing us that despite our best efforts to frustrate His plans, his omniscience of all future possibilities means that he always bends the arc of history towards His ends. Edit: to address another part of your question, 'prophecy' and 'warning' are dependent on point of view. They are not interchangeable and prophecy only becomes apparent and conclusive in hindsight. For example, look how Jonah communicates God's word to Nineveh. Jonah 3:4-5 KJV - 4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, *Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.* 5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. If you are living in the city at the time, would you take this as prophecy or warning? The people at the time chose to interpret that as a warning. Verse 5 tells us they repented by interpreting it as warning even though the language had no caveats to it. God didn't say, 'Repent and I will stay your destruction'. Perfect example of God's grace (undeserved salvation) and free will. The people hoped and prayed for mercy despite expecting neither.
@@TrinityChurchOshawa I appreciate you want to have a civil dialogue, but open conversation goes both ways. I asked you what you meant by 'no control' and haven't got a reply yet. I'm not familiar with deeply familiar Molinism and how that differs exactly with Dynamic Omniscience.
Has anyone noticed that telling the truth about Calvinism is a lot like doing the same for Islam? When you quote from their sources, they say claim "it isn't true" or "you don't understand X" or they just get angry.
Nothing changes. If you dig into some of the early 1800's writers who offered refutations against calvinism you'll find them responding to the same rhetoric Calvinists use today. And it was labeled "that old calvinist rant" back then as well!!!! They've always made God the author of evil while simultaneously denying it. They've always claimed we worship free will.
Idol Killer is a liar and can not be trusted. This is clearly NOT satire as it has been ordained by the sovereign hand of an all-powerful God. So powerful, in fact, that if this weren't decreed by that God, then said God would cease to exist. As for this comment itself, I can not tell if it is satirical in nature or a critique. Hopefully, I will be endowed with such knowledge soon provided it was foreknown by God in eternity past.
@IdolKiller I'm not sure how to articulate it, though it seems to me that it is a logical fallacy when Calvinists say that. I want to say that it is the deepest appeal to mystery.
it's actually not that. It is A.I. saying simplistic, tired, old strawman arguments against Reformed Theology. John Calvin didn't create anything. He pretty much summarized all things soteriological in the Bible - and God is sovereign over it, friend
You're sadly right that Christian don't really read their Bibles. A pastor of my local church said you don't have to be perfect in Christ to enter the kingdom of heaven which is contrary to what Peter says in his epistles as well as what Christ even said in the Gospels.
I’m curious. What conference is this actually? I’d like to see what they actually say in the conference if that is possible. Or did AI design the video as well? Which is impressive.
The original clips are from the G3 conference 2023, except for MacArthur which I thing was from a 2008 Ligonier Conference that Provisionist Perspective TH-cam video done a few weeks ago and links it there. MacArthur states that God preprograms the reprobate to believe lies and that because Because the Gospel is the Truth they, most people can’t believe it. These original quotes are worse than the satire, although I’m not really blessed by satire. G3 means that Jesus, the Truth, who sends the Spirit of truth to lead all into the truth, is a liar and deceiver.
@@theresaread72 Interesting. I'm like a lot of people here, the genuine quotes should be obvious from the fake ones- hence satire. For AI to be able to generate the video would be very slick. My assumption was that the video was from an actual event, and the voiceovers were AI. So, the video is from the G3 conference and the voiceovers obviously pick up after the opening statements? Is that right?
@@phil7055 Yes. The real speakers start out by using their real voices and then become AI. I vehement dislike satire however the AI is an accurate view of what these men believe. G3 use the word Sovereignty to define as God’s meticulous determination of all things. Warren who was a Calvinist for 30 years and who has come out into Biblical Christianity is simply restating what they mean and give people an opportunity to see Calvinism for what it really means. The 2 quotes of John MacArthur that we are preprogrammed (by God) to believe lies and because it is the truth we can’t believe it are actual quotes from Ligonier Conference 2008. Provisionist Perspective TH-cam has just hone through MacArthur quotes the last few weeks and list the actual TH-cam video where you can watch the Ligonier teaching on TH-cam. God does not preprogram people to believe lies! Nor, do we believe that when confronted with the Truth of the Gospel, we can’t believe it. Acts 17 states God commands everyone, everywhere to repent and believe ! That’s the truth!
I did one on Trump, based on the same thing, trying to show his followers things he really said and had it is just insane to support him. The crazy thing is, most people did not read the description. Crazier thing was some people STILL defended what Trump was saying (which was actually based on real life things Trump said or signed or admitted to in writing). Very similar to the things you have the calvinists say that are true to their character and things they say. And it would be like having calvinists defend these videos as if these calvinists actually said it.
*"However, Christians read video descriptions even less than they read their Bibles. Which is saying a lot. Thus the need for this disclaimer."* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Warren, they'll just say it's not God's will for them to read video descriptions before they lose their minds... 😂
"So, you're saying you believe you save yourself?"
--Cathy Newman (if she were a Calvinist)
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 humor not lost on me.
The fact you had to post this........
It's crazy how we can use the very beliefs of Calvinism and the statements of Calvinists to expose the errors of this flawed theology.
If someone is wrong, you can expose them by letting them speak for themselves
@@RonaldDPotts1 🎯🎯
But that would be misrepresenting them. You know... to represent them speaking... themselves. It's so unfair.
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@@sirstanuel The first in years to get the reference.
This should be the disclaimer for JMac, Washer, Piper, Lawson... "The following views & opinions from this pulpit, do not reflect the truth, validity & varsity of scripture!"
I’ve noticed that all one needs to do to refute Calvinism is to simply state it’s beliefs plainly. Then just leave it at that. No special argumentation needed.
For some reason, this offends Calvinists.
Either it’s because we’re telling the truth, or it’s because God Sovereignly decreed for us to offend them. Difficult to tell.
From their point of view God decreed us to speak to them this way and they are offended and confused as to why God would do that to them.
@@alisterrebelo9013 if God does not decree all things to come to pass, does that mean that He has no control over what we do?
@@TrinityChurchOshawaWhat do you mean by 'no control'? I hold to dynamic omniscience and free will. Free will is Biblical and in keeping with a high view of God. A high of view of God lays sin at the feet of the humans who make evil choices and salvation arrives from Jesus's love for us. He willingly sacrificing himself and rescues us from being dead in our sin.
A low view of God places both sin and salvation at the feet of God as some kind of sick puppeteer. The low view of God mistakenly thinks that just because God chooses to give us free will, makes God weak and bereft of sovereignty but this couldn't be further from the truth. God is showing us that despite our best efforts to frustrate His plans, his omniscience of all future possibilities means that he always bends the arc of history towards His ends.
Edit: to address another part of your question, 'prophecy' and 'warning' are dependent on point of view. They are not interchangeable and prophecy only becomes apparent and conclusive in hindsight.
For example, look how Jonah communicates God's word to Nineveh.
Jonah 3:4-5 KJV - 4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, *Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.* 5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
If you are living in the city at the time, would you take this as prophecy or warning? The people at the time chose to interpret that as a warning. Verse 5 tells us they repented by interpreting it as warning even though the language had no caveats to it. God didn't say, 'Repent and I will stay your destruction'. Perfect example of God's grace (undeserved salvation) and free will. The people hoped and prayed for mercy despite expecting neither.
@@alisterrebelo9013 Hmm, sounds a little like Molinism.
So you believe that sinners are "dead in sin"
@@TrinityChurchOshawa I appreciate you want to have a civil dialogue, but open conversation goes both ways. I asked you what you meant by 'no control' and haven't got a reply yet.
I'm not familiar with deeply familiar Molinism and how that differs exactly with Dynamic Omniscience.
I laughed. Then I shed a tear for these ideas being cast upon the earth at all and for people caught up in it.
Has anyone noticed that telling the truth about Calvinism is a lot like doing the same for Islam? When you quote from their sources, they say claim "it isn't true" or "you don't understand X" or they just get angry.
Bingo, exactly!
I had the same realisation just watching this video too!
Nothing changes. If you dig into some of the early 1800's writers who offered refutations against calvinism you'll find them responding to the same rhetoric Calvinists use today. And it was labeled "that old calvinist rant" back then as well!!!! They've always made God the author of evil while simultaneously denying it.
They've always claimed we worship free will.
So the platonists are crying about the videos? Pfffft. Lunacy!
You know it's a problem when a well known Christian pastor says God has preprogrammed us to believe lies!!! However, the satire is awesome
Idol Killer is a liar and can not be trusted. This is clearly NOT satire as it has been ordained by the sovereign hand of an all-powerful God. So powerful, in fact, that if this weren't decreed by that God, then said God would cease to exist. As for this comment itself, I can not tell if it is satirical in nature or a critique. Hopefully, I will be endowed with such knowledge soon provided it was foreknown by God in eternity past.
And all God's elect said... "que sera, sera."
@@IdolKiller 🏆🏆
@@IdolKillerdeep cuts...
@IdolKiller I'm not sure how to articulate it, though it seems to me that it is a logical fallacy when Calvinists say that. I want to say that it is the deepest appeal to mystery.
it's amazing you even need to post this, since it's so obvious. People are offended by stating truth, and exposing sacred cows.
And these vids are very funny, so keep them coming. Nothing exposes ridiculous theology like plainly stating what they actually believe.
it's actually not that. It is A.I. saying simplistic, tired, old strawman arguments against Reformed Theology. John Calvin didn't create anything. He pretty much summarized all things soteriological in the Bible - and God is sovereign over it, friend
Strengthening your steel man is the only way forward
Discernment is a blessing
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Is this video done by AI?
This was hilarious! Thank you.
Read the description less than their Bible?
"What's wrong with you people?!" --R.C. Sproul
You're sadly right that Christian don't really read their Bibles. A pastor of my local church said you don't have to be perfect in Christ to enter the kingdom of heaven which is contrary to what Peter says in his epistles as well as what Christ even said in the Gospels.
Hey Buddy!
Noticed you deleted our earlier comment about "borrowing our style"... and taking our name. 8th commandment. Honest Conference isn't yours dude: rename this video.
Thanks again
Unscripted
You should have just said “Honest lip reading”.
Are you still in htown ?
I'm in the Hotlanta area
I’m curious. What conference is this actually? I’d like to see what they actually say in the conference if that is possible. Or did AI design the video as well? Which is impressive.
The video is a compilation of various programs.
The original clips are from the G3 conference 2023, except for MacArthur which I thing was from a 2008 Ligonier Conference that Provisionist Perspective TH-cam video done a few weeks ago and links it there. MacArthur states that God preprograms the reprobate to believe lies and that because Because the Gospel is the Truth they, most people can’t believe it. These original quotes are worse than the satire, although I’m not really blessed by satire. G3 means that Jesus, the Truth, who sends the Spirit of truth to lead all into the truth, is a liar and deceiver.
@@theresaread72 Interesting. I'm like a lot of people here, the genuine quotes should be obvious from the fake ones- hence satire. For AI to be able to generate the video would be very slick. My assumption was that the video was from an actual event, and the voiceovers were AI. So, the video is from the G3 conference and the voiceovers obviously pick up after the opening statements? Is that right?
@@phil7055 Yes. The real speakers start out by using their real voices and then become AI. I vehement dislike satire however the AI is an accurate view of what these men believe. G3 use the word Sovereignty to define as God’s meticulous determination of all things. Warren who was a Calvinist for 30 years and who has come out into Biblical Christianity is simply restating what they mean and give people an opportunity to see Calvinism for what it really means.
The 2 quotes of John MacArthur that we are preprogrammed (by God) to believe lies and because it is the truth we can’t believe it are actual quotes from Ligonier Conference 2008. Provisionist Perspective TH-cam has just hone through MacArthur quotes the last few weeks and list the actual TH-cam video where you can watch the Ligonier teaching on TH-cam. God does not preprogram people to believe lies! Nor, do we believe that when confronted with the Truth of the Gospel, we can’t believe it. Acts 17 states God commands everyone, everywhere to repent and believe ! That’s the truth!
This needed to be done? Seriously? 😮
Just read the comments in the last 2 vids... yup.
That’s funny!!!!
Lol😂
Hahhahhaha..
I did one on Trump, based on the same thing, trying to show his followers things he really said and had it is just insane to support him.
The crazy thing is, most people did not read the description. Crazier thing was some people STILL defended what Trump was saying (which was actually based on real life things Trump said or signed or admitted to in writing). Very similar to the things you have the calvinists say that are true to their character and things they say. And it would be like having calvinists defend these videos as if these calvinists actually said it.
Example?