Camping Wood Stove with Off Grid Thermoelectric Generator Water Cooling Mod - M-Stove Project Part-8
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 เม.ย. 2020
- I made a water-cooled thermoelectric power generation module using a stainless steel pan the same size as that used in the stove. I can charge the cell phone with the produced power and this result is very satisfactory compared to the result of the air-cooled power generation module test conducted last time.
Two thermoelectric elements were fixed in series on the lid surface of the module, and heat-resistant silicone for high temperature was applied to prevent thermal damage. The module is installed in contact with the bottom of the firewood stove, and the heat from the bottom of the stove is transferred to the thermoelectric element for power generation. The module can be filled with about 4 liters of water, and the radiator submerged in water releases the heat absorbed from the heat source into the water. A drain tap is installed at the bottom of the module to design the drained water. Later on, if I added the inlet pipe and installed the pump, I would be able to do hot water circulation heating.
Thank you for watching.
Always be safe and have a fun camping.
Stay safe.
Disclaimer: Using a stove in a confined space can be very dangerous. When using a stove, be sure to ventilate properly and be prepared for fire or other safety accidents. I am not responsible for any loss or injury caused by carelessness.
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You need a mppt circuit between thermal modules and load. The best is to have a storage after mppt like li-ion or supercaps to supply peak power. Another consideration is to have a continuous cooling like radiator or a fan because you have to have a continuous heat flow to guarantee the delta temperature. For now I think is a good start. Compliments.
Knew you could get it to work! A wood stove that can heat, cook and charge your phone, outstanding!
Wendell Wood Thanks for keep following. I am so glad that I could make this. It is all thanks to you and dear subscribers. You all cheer me and encourage me. ♥️😊
Consider adding a small external tank and using an unpowered thermosiphon system to circulate the water. cool water goes in the bottom and hot flows out the top. No power or pump is required to circulate the water. Wood stoves have been used in this fashion to heat and circulate domestic hot water for many years. I grew up with one.
Hello my friend, it's getting better and better, it's finally central heating! you can install manifolds and thus distribute hot water for radiators.
👍is incredibly wonderful way to charge your cell phone for free. thanks again. Greetings Hassan
Thanks Hassan! Glad to see your comment!
That was just awesome. It blowed my mind. 👏🏽 the thermo electric thing is just phenomenon. Bravo
This is amazing great job. I live in a small apartment and want to make one of these for myself. You are brilliant and very inspiring.
Simply Brilliant stove project !!
👍🏻🇺🇸
Россия 🇷🇺 Урал 😁
12:11 мои поздравления👏 с воплощением одной из популярных шуток которые есть в России. Речь про: атомный (или ядерный 🤔) реактор в жилище с подключением к этому разных электропотребителей (освещение, отопление, разное на кухне, и что есть прочего).
Wow! I'm just so impressed w/you & that stove. There's no end to the possibilities what you can do w/one of your stoves.
Before I went into the medical field. I went to school for electronics in high school, my Dad made me bc are whole family worked @ A TV factory. And to help him in his electronics repair shop fixing Tv's, VCRs, & stereo equipment. It was free labor for him.
I didn't really want to work for my Dad @ his shop. I was young & it didn't excite me. I just wanted to work @ the factory & volunteer w/the fire & rescue, it played $7.00 a call if you was @ the scene but you didn't have to do anything just show up & you still got paid. It was exciting & you never new what to expect on each call.
I didn't know about those fire/ice generators for a long time, one side you put hot to, & the other side up put cold to & it generates power to charge your electronics. There so cool how they work.
I love your design w/the stove. Mine is a large coffee can that I made & it's fueled by sticks, the little square generator is glued to the side w/wires & the connectors for whatever you want to charge. It works ok, but your setup looks a thousands times better & I know it's more effective then mine is.
I just want to thank you for sharing your awesome work w/us (me). Sorry for that long message but I thought I needed to give kind of my back story on my electronics background.
I do have a question: I would like to know why the water? And is there another reason why you put the drain pipe on it besides to drain the water out. Would the hot water be safe to like wash your pots & pans or your hands in it? Is the hot water toxic?
I go by if it has 3 uses then I carry it, bc it's worth it's weight. If it only does one thing, then I'm going to leave that home & find something that can do multiple uses. ***Exp. A screw driver is good, but a multi tool is better.*** I hope you Understand what I'm saying. Sometimes I don't understand what I'm trying to say... lol... I was just curious.
Thank you again. Be safe & God bless us all durning this dang COVID-19 virus,
Chris from Missouri
Hi, Chiris. Thank you for sharing your story.
The main reason for filling the water is that water helps to cool the thermoelectric element. The greater the temperature difference at both ends, the higher the power. So I thought it was effective to use water. And I thought it could be used to warm the surroundings using warm water. You need to drain the treated water and fill it with cold water to maintain power. So, I attached a drain first. I think I will need an intake tube now. It is not yet known how harmless the warmed water is chemically. It requires attention and research. Thank you. Stay safe.
From the camper in South Korea.
@@campingtogether thank you & you stay safe also. We all need that right now. I hope you didn't think I was being harsh, bc I wasn't. I was just wondering. I didn't know you had to put cool water in regular. I do see your point on a fill value now.
Have a great day or night, whatever the time difference is... lol... it's neat how these days we can talk all across the world just on a TH-cam video.... lol... just think what we'll going to be able to do in the future. Like beam me up Scotty. A play off of star trek. How fun that will be. Take care.
Chris
This is amazing, this went from a nicely designed stove to a high tech stove. I love the design and engineering. Can't wait to see you attach the water pump to it.
Should I attach water pump? Yes. Thank you so much! Stay safe!
@@campingtogether bro dont waste the energy from water pump just find a natural flow of water running free to ur cooling system just add a converter and power bank
@@bryanagustin5886 I can agree with this, but just add a funnel system he could drain from and probably flip the stove and have it below
God job, keep up the work we may need you sooner than later.
Great set of videos I’m inspired thank you 🙏🏽🏴
Thanks for watching! Let's keep going. Stay safe over there!
very good idea ad couple more into the tank ...more power quicker
👍Water cooling is the right decision! When shooting my video about a thermoelectric generator, I heated up to 230 degrees Celsius. All temperature and voltage parameters can be viewed on my channel. 🔥 You did great! What temperature did you reach?🔥
It cools way better than in the air. I guess the Temp. between 220~250 deg C.
@@campingtogether You did great! My respect! The manufacturer’s website has a maximum value of 300 C, but I have not reached that value. In my opinion, the best value is current and voltage with a temperature difference of 100-150 C. My teseling lasted 3 hours, the average value at the same time was 600 mAh 5 volts (after the stabilizer module)
That's amazing, I have been following since the beginning - it's great! Well done.
Thanks! Glad you like this.
화목난로가 무한 발전하네요. 대단합니다.
From France : it's awesome !!! You are a very good engineer in the stove and BBQ . Best congratulation for your many invention
Thank you so much! This is just an experiment but I liked this so much.
I know that but you are very best stovemaker.
I wish we had smellovison for the cooking great work keep in up.
Good job.........
진화는 계속 되는군요
멋지심니다
눈이 항상 호강하네요
시청해주셔서 감사합니다.
이건 제가 생각한것보다 더아이디어가 좋아보입니다. 가면 갈수록 다양한 모듈러 형태로 갖춰지고있네요.
감사합니다. 이번 것은 진짜 탈부착 가능한 모듈이 되었네요.. 제가봐도 신기합니다. 밧드가 너무 너무 이쁘네요;;
It's awesome work.I enjoyed all the videos.
Soon enough, that build is going to have legs and shoot lasers.
Possibly even mine cryptocurrency 😂😂😂😂😂
It has legs.
@@samimurtomaki5534 Great now we need laser.
시판중인 온수 장판과 연결 하거나 온수장판을 직접 만드시는 그림이 그려집니다 ~ !
What a great idea! What if you integrate a ram pump for continuous cooling?... But that could only work if you are camping near a stream.
와 ㅋㅋㅋ 화목난로에 수냉쿨러 제작하는 분은 처음보네요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Can't wait till this is something you start selling online
그야말로 화력발전이네요, 진정한 금손이십니다. 뭐 하시는 분인지 궁금하네요 ㅋ
감사합니다. 화공기 제조업에 있다가 경영악화로 퇴사하고 현재는 미디어콘텐츠창작업을 주업으로 하고 있습니다.
축하드립니다!...^^ 성공을 거두셨군요...나날이 발전하는 모습이 보기좋습니다...^^다시한번 축하드리고 건강하고 행복한 날 되세요...^^
감사합니다. 이번 발전모듈이 잘 작동되어 너무 기쁩니다😌 건강하시고 행복하시길 바랍니다🙆🏻♂️♥️
Fantastico👍👍👍👍👍
Add some capacitors and you will be light years ahead of where you are now. You have done a very wonderful job at developing this technology using only two TEG's.
why the caps?
ストーブでペルチェ素子を使った小型の発電装置は以前から幾つか販売されているので知って居ましたが自作も良いですﾈ。
ボイラーも良いです。そのストーブをいつかは作ってみたいです。
楽しい動画を有難う。
ありがとうございます。自作は楽しい趣味です。
와......와....진짜...황금손!! 화목난로 보다가 이게 뭔가 했는데.... 발전기...허허허
좋게 봐주셔서 감사합니다. 밧드 크기가 표준으로 나오다 보니 이런식을 활용하기 좋은 것 같습니다. 발전 성능을 떠나서 재미있네요..^^
진짜 맥가이버가 손들고 가겠네요 ㅎㅎㅎ
대단하세요 ^^
좋게 봐주셔서 감사합니다. 반신반의 했는데 실제로 돼서 놀랬습니다. ^^
Very cool. I love your projects. Note: there is no silicone in Wurth Fire Cement 1000.
Camping together
Hi
Great job!!!!
If you want to have more power, refrigerator and 60 psi air to run a drill on air pressure you can an do it.
1. You need a battery storage bank.
Bigger arrays cheap.
Get a piece of copper pipe 3 inches in diameter by 3 inches long. Hook up copper wire to it both sides. Seebeck effect. Hook the battery up in the right spot. Then connect the batteries to an aluminum car radiator a few feet away from the stove. And you got way more power.
With more power you can do MORE things like do refrigeration instead of electricity on the thermal couple.
Or run a water pump.
With a water pump you can get 60 PSI compressor air to run a drill, grinder off compressor air.
I will show you if you want. You got way more heat than your are using. BTU to power
Very interesting ideas. I will research for doing that. :D
Watching this progression is great. You seem to find new ways of making me want on of your stoves. The first model was cool but now we are at the super awesome amazing model.
Really is a great idea throw wood on charge up the laptop in the middle of nowhere. Can’t wait for your next idea. I don’t know about everyone but I enjoy when people leave in problems like holes not lining up. I’ve did that one a bunch. Never thought about making the plate into giant washers like you did. But little things like that.
One last thing the coolant water is that still ok after use or does it get contaminated (different metals or sealant toxins) just curious.
Thanks for the wonderful videos an stay safe
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it! The sealant was like mud. Not elastic one. So when I open the water basket rid after the use of stove, I found the sealant became muddy again. So need to find different one but I am not sure I can find one! 😊
Excelent vídeo THX👍
Hello! What a great advance, the temp exchange with water is very better than air. With an water inlet you can recycle the cooling fluid and make the generator run continuously. My sugestion: Try to develop an container for drained water that can dissipate temperature, to return the system again...
Hi Leonel. Thanks for watching and your comment. Great idea. I will keep researching for another one. Thanks Stay safe over there.
i'm trying to figure a teg out. you put it under the stove. what's interesting is a module manufacturer makes a stovetop unit that sits right on the top of hot stove. works immediately. Going to all that work....use 4 teg's? 2 series, 2 parrallel.
Good idea
Thanks!
와우 대단해요~^^
급수관 하나 있어야겠다는 생각이 들었지만 바로 알아채시는 군요.
이걸로 겨울캠핑(집마당) 하시는 모습이 보고 싶습니다.
감사합니다. 집마당 캠핑이라면 가능 할 것도 같습니다. ^^
L'eau est inutile car l'air ambiant est inférieur à 37°...
L'air chaud monte et l'air froid descend...
Inutile de fermer le système dans une boîte, mais très bonne idée sous le poêle...
정말 대단하시네요 ㅎㅎㅎ 장인이신 듯
감사합니다 사라고고님~ ^^
maybe u could let the inlet air go trough that cold chamber first and then enter your stove, then u dont need water.
If this works... more peltiers? :O
great videos man
i agree a water inlet valve in a good idea an very necessary
Iron Surgeon 💪🙏🙋👏👍💯 Great ideals
Thanks Pamla. Big support!
순환호스를 연결 하고, 발전된 전기로 펌프를 돌린다면 진정한 무한온돌도 가능하겠네요!!
재밌을 것 같아요^^
A very good insulation between cold water and heater chamber and silver or copper extention blocks from heater to cold water chamber for peltier would bring best results.
I agree! Thanks for the idea!
@@campingtogether Thanks for encouraging...There should be gap between stove and cold water chamber and then cold water chamber with good insulation from top and extention heat medium blocks of silver or copper for peltier..
You are very good at making stove..👍
When your nearby water source like stream you can use continues cooling water by using ram pupm. Then have a release back to stream .
Hi, I see that you can make it better, while avoiding overheating.That is my opinion only. I ordered GStove, so I deep in expanding it's usage like chimney soup cooking (while main plate use for roasting)and thermoelectricity- peltier.
1- peltiers are connected continuously, not parallely.
2-air cooling is the must for handheld devices, don't need that big PC cooler,that 1 piece aluminum is enough.Fan is better, but for auxiliary battery.Avoid attach it over the main plate, because it can not be cooled down by cool air, better is at stove's side or chimney outside.
3-For smartphone charging , use module boost dc-dc 0,9-5v USB is the most.
Thanks for the Idea!
The only good thing about thermoelectric elements is that they are small, but they are not very efficient, as your oven is, develope your stove first so it burns the woodgas, just look for "gasifier stove" if you don't know it already, easy to make with this container system as you use it, definitely worth a try. Gasifier systems produce strong drafts by the fire that sucks air in, your oven does it already and could be used aswell for a turbine system, but gasifiers do that more constant, you don't set the size of the fire through setting the drafts, aslong the gasifier is doing its job, the draft is there all the time. Also instead of placing the water tank beneath the oven, place it on top and make a steam machine and water cooker just by the way.
Your oven is nice, don't get me wrong, but since it is a developing project, I think some criticism is helpful for you. Keep on bro 👍
Hi Wilson. Thanks for your comment! I got many ideas from you. I will make it real some of these in the future. Truly thanks. I like your pic.
Thank you 🙏
Thank you Kris!
Love the idea but the design seems like it could do with some work as it doesn't seem to heat the water very efficiently, how long to boil that 4 litre's?
This is not for boiling the water but for cooling heats from thermoelectric element.
you don't use disolinated water? what if i had a larger battery and inverter? that paste you put on between the cell and the generator is that called thermite paste? would it be possible to use the heated water flow to cool water flow to heat a small horse tr-off that was converted into a makeshift hot-tub? plus all of yr heat that can produce team and increase the thermal output is mostly on-top of the unit, wouldn't you get more output if yr thermoelectric generator was closer to the hottest part of the unit? or is that too much output to input fore this de-zine?...
Open the water valve and you can have hot tea.
Lol. Just for heating... :D Thanks!
I like this project, i have an idea that can helps you to develope this project.
You notified that the water heated up over time due to radiant heat from the stove, so you can try to make an radiator with a coil and make it outside for an cool air and a mini 5v water pump to make circulate from the container to coil in a loop and that can make the water cool all the time.
Ps : the mini 5v water pump can powered directly from the converter you made and i consumpt just 0.6 amps × 5 volts = 3 watt 🥰
Good luck from Morocco
Awesome idea. Stay safe.!
@@campingtogether ❤
Awesome
ㄷㄷㄷ. 온수매트가 가능해지겠군요!!!
우째 맞추면 가능할 것 같습니다. ^^
에너지 순환구조가 퍼져간다!
은수저군 점점 부피도 커져갑니다 😅
Could it be a hot or warm water heater too! :)
Спасибо большое! 👍💪👌🇷🇺🤠👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
🔥♥️🙏🇰🇷
Tudo e possivel! Na natureza tudo se aproveita, tudo se transforma, a água aquecida pode servir para tomar banho quente no acampamento!
Sim. Acessível. Sua ideia é boa. Obrigado.
아이디어가 좋으시네요. 조금 수고럽긴 할텐데.. 좋은 방법이네요. 혹여 물이 끓으면 위험해 보이긴 하네요. 냉각수 순환까지 된다면 온수매트를 통해 열을 빼고 다시 통으로 돌아오면 완벽하겠네요. 근데 100도면 끓는 물 보단 갈덴 같은 물질이 좀 더 안전하겠네요. 넘 비싸서.. ㅎㅎ회수도 문제고.. 대단하세요.
구독자님들이 이런 저런 아이디어를 주셔서 상황에 맞게 조합을 해봤습니다. ^^ 끓지는 않겠지만 60~70도 까지는 열이 올라갈 것 같습니다. 이정도면 1인용 온수매트 순환 정도는 할 수있을 것 같기도 합니다. 아직 온수매트쪽은 경험이 없어서 공부해서 나중에 만들어 보려구요. 재미로 봐주시면 감사하겠습니다. ^^
존경합니다~~~
재미로 해보는 것입니다.^^ 감사합니다.
잘보고 갑니다.
시청 감사합니다. ^^
Идея хорошая , но необходимо на системе охлаждения понизить температуру. Тогда будет более стабильная система.
Awesome 👍👍👍Thanks for sharing. Now put aluminum heatsinks on the outside of the water tank and it will keep the water cooler longer
물에다 자동차용 냉각수를 넣으면 물 교체 안해도 되지 않을까요?
냉각수 밸브를 상하로 배치하고 온수매트배관을 연결하면 취침시 따뜻하게 잠을 잘수있고 리턴되어 돌아온 물은 식어서 냉각에 활용될것 같습니다
Add ball valve pointed up to top of water container to ease filling
Yeah cool! I can use it as a water heater!
Nice
Thanks Gaucho
For when the 220v .... I want you in my team !!!! Excelente
Marcelo Oscar Olcese Thanks ♥️
열전소자보다는 수증기 터빈으로 발전 하는게 효율이 좋을 것 같네요.
Those heat pipes work in any orientation? That’s good to know
I guess so!!
Probably not as well, remember, heat rises cool falls. They are designed to be above the cpu, peltier, not below. Try this again but with the peltier on top of the stove and water above them. Won't need the fancy coolers either, just the bottom of the water pan would do.
Yes, you are correct it would boil the water, maintaining 100c on the "cold" side, the side with boiling water. The hot side, the stove side would just need to be below the max temp of the peltier., say 320c for available peltiers. That would be 220c temp difference. Ie, power pot by practical power. Still not very efficient, but does work.
If that is used to power a fan to blow into the stove, it would reach higher temps, stoking the fire which would make more electricity, wouldn’t having the thermo above the stove capture more heat?
I think it is important not to simply need high temperature, but to make the temperature difference between both ends of the device large. It requires a certain level of heating and extreme cooling.
라지에더와 워터펌프를 이용한 냉각 방식은 어떨까요? 아니면 연소통에 바람같은 풍력발전 방식도 재미 있을것 같습니다.ㅎㅎ...
Comming soon.... M-Stove Project Part43 (nuclear powered stove)
If someone left this guy on a remoteempty island with absolutley nothing on it with only a stone and a stick he would probably be able to send us an e-mail within a week, tops!
Respect!
와~~~~~!!! 정말 대단대단 입니다
과학자시군요!!!! 따라하고십은데 역부족일듯....ㅠㅠ
재미로 실험삼아 해봤습니다^^
i think make some thermal insulation between the lid and container would a better chioce
좀더 크게만들면 화력발전소온수매트보일러화목난로가 되는거네요.
I don't think using that silicone is a good idea, as you might well now, the TEC/TEG needs a high-temperature differential in order to generate more V and consequently more power. By adding the silicone (though low thermal conductivity) you are adding an extra "bridge" (parallel resistance always decreases overall resistance) for the heat to go from hot side to cold side (even if silicone is low thermal conductivity, air's is even lower).
As general advice, work the most on ensuring the best thermal contact between the heat source and hot side of the TEG (thermal paste & pressure) do the same for the cold side and make sure to not thermally shortcut the TEGs
Thanks for your comment! When I try it a gain, I will do like you told me. 😊👍
우어... 전선 나중에 다 녹을거 같아요 ㅠㅠ
호스 연결해서 물 순환시키면 온수매트도 가능하게되는 건가요?
열전소자 냉각이냐, 온수의 확보냐. 갈림길에 있지만 온수매트도 가능할 것 같습니다..
Süper
I wonder how much more energy could be produced if you used ice water?
Have you looked into a gamma type Stirling engine? Hook those up to a dynamo and you'll get electricity. :)
Stirling engine would be great to generate electricity. I will consider using it.
Why you used only 2 pcs ? You need more , 6 pcs
Do you have to circulate the cool water?
In winter, I plan to make a hot water mat by circulating water. It is unlikely that the water temperature will rise much in winter. I am not sure.
why you put the green heat-shrink tube? like that? why you dont put first the green tube then you weld it, place the green tube over the joint and heat it?
This is for testing. So I thought that way makes easier for alternation after that.🤔
@@campingtogether i see, yes was a possibility that i have in mind, is more simple to go back whit that method of electric isolation
TIP: You could use the fan along with a heat source taken from the burner to create central heating for your tent :)
Are you talking about a thermoelectric fan? Thank you.
@@campingtogether yes a thermoelectric fan on the stove, would that work?
Or use it as a small hit water tank. But to cool it you would need to recirculate the water through an external cooling block.
What is the thermoelectric name?
Congratulations, you have achieved success with the water bath to provide cooling. If you use their stove during winter with snow packed around the base, your efficiency should increase. Good observation for inlet port as well. You solved two problems with this one solution. In addition to producing charging power, you have added a water heater for dining. Trusting that you and your family are safe from the dreaded Covid-19 virus. Wishing you continuing Peace, health and happiness. Cheers.
Thanks for your words! Doing this project is so fun! Even though each step is challenging for me, any result I ever got was interesting and helpful. Stay safe and strong! Thank you for support!♥️🙆🏻♂️🇰🇷
캠핑투게더 one day you need to publish a book of plans. A chronicle of your creative genius. Show the evolution of products, what worked and what failed. You are a terrific engineer and have a wealth of knowledge to share with younger generations. Wishing you a peaceful day and a safe journey through life. Peace brother.
Thank you for your support. I am trying to do things that I like and care about. Will these experiments help others? I hope.
나중에 설명에서 말하신거처럼 온수장판 연결해서 사용해보셔도 잼있을거같아요
엑셀관 연결하면 어쩌 될 것 같기는 합니다.. 이거 점점 감당이 안되겠는데요;; ^^
I like to shrink heat-shrink tube with a lighter via swipe the fire under the tube quickly. It can then be shrinked nicely. For your consideration :-)
Hi Tony. Thanks for the comment. I just have gas torch only;;; Hope you understand what I mean... Stay safe!
It will only work like that if you're water is in continues running in and out👌😊,. bcuz if Your water is in steady mode, it will boil in just a couple of minutes,.
투게더님
부탁이 있씁니다
지금까지
난로를 많이 만드셨는데
촌에서 쓸만한
냄새 안나고 연기 잘 안나는
소각기를 만들어 보시는게 어떤가요
소각기요? 어떤 용도의 소각기 인지는 모르겠지만 우선적으로 캠핑에 필요하고 제가 좋아하는 것을 만듭니다. ^^ 감사합니다.
Автору не хватило 3го элемента и второго преобразователя в параллель. Иначе преобразователь может сгореть по входу от 3х элементов. Он как раз мог бы заряжать повербанк для накопления, а первый может питать текущую электронику во время горения. От 3х элементов этого достаточно было бы.
У него вода в "корыте" скоро горячая станет 🙂
Изоляции ж нет.
Короче, печка пригодилась для жарения мяса
버너로된 기성품보다 운치있고 좋네요
직접 만든거라 더 애착이 가고 제눈에 좋아보이는 것 같습니다. 감사합니다.