Dirt Late Model Iron Headed Engine Build - Engine Power S2, E12
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- Pat and Mike reveal secrets on how to build a winning all-iron Chevy small block for dirt track racing
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
ARP: Assembly Lubricant, for Engine Assembly and Fastener Installation, Ultra Torque, 1 Pint, Each
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Canton Racing Products: Carburetor Spacer, Phenolic, 1.00 in. Thick, 2-Hole, 2-Barrel, Kit
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Comp Cams: Cam Button Spacer, Steel, Roller, Chevy, Small Block, Each
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Comp Cams: Timing Cover, 3-Piece, Aluminum, Natural, Chevy, Small Block, Each
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Comp Cams: Timing Chain and Gear Set, Ultimate Adjustable, Double Roller, Billet Steel Sprockets, Chevy, Small Block, Set
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Dart: Cylinder Head, Iron Eagle Platinum, Assembled, 49cc Chamber, 230cc Intake Runner, Chevy, 327, 350, 400, Each
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Dart: Engine Block, Cast Iron, 4-Bolt Mains, 4.125 in. Diameter Bore, 2-Piece Rear Main Seal, Chevy,Small Block,Each
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Driven Racing Oil: Motor Oil, Racing Break-In BR, Mineral, 5W30, 1 qt., Each
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Dupli-Color: Paint, Engine, Enamel with Ceramic Resin, Gloss, White, 12 oz., Aerosol, Each
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Dupli-Color: Paint, Engine, Enamel with Ceramic Resin, Flat Gray Primer, 12 oz., Aerosol, Each
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Edelbrock: Intake Manifold, Super Victor 23 degree, Single Plane, Aluminum, Natural, Square Bore, Chevy Small Block, Each
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Loctite: Loctite 135511 Green 609 Medium Strength Retaining Compound, 10 mL
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Moroso: Oil Pan Gasket, Rubber with Steel Core, Chevy, Small Block, Each
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Moroso: Oil Pan Oval Track Clear Zinc Steel Stage I Pre-80 SBC 8 Qt.
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Moroso: Oil Pump and Pickup Assembly, High-Volume, 3/4 in. Inlet, Chevy, Small Block,for 7.125 in. Deep Oval Track Pan
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Quick Fuel Technology Inc.: Carburetor, Black Diamond Q-Series, 950 cfm, Mechanical Secondary, 4-Barrel, Square Bore, Drag Race, Each
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Summit Racing: Beyea, Dirt Late Model Tri-Y 23 degree Single Step..1 3/4 x 1 7/8 x 3
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Comp Cams: 3/8" DIA. Pushrods
Comp Cams: Oval Track Xtreme TK Roller Camshaft, Custom Grind
Crower Cams & Equipment Co., Inc.: SBC 230 Iron Eagle Stainless Steel Shaft Mount Rockers
Eagle Specialty Products: 4340 Crank Sbc 50lb 2.00 Rod Pin, Esp Armor Finish
Eagle Specialty Products: 4340 Rod 6.00" 2.00" LW
Goodson Shop Supplies: Professional Measuring & Inspection Stand
MAHLE Aftermarket: SBC Flat Top PowerPak Piston For 1mm, 1mm, 2mm Ring Set 4.165 Bore 3.750 Stroke 6.0 Rod 1.125 C/H 0.927 Pin -5cc Vol. 452g 11.7 C/R 4032
Safety-Kleen: JRI - Front Load, Medium Duty Parts Washer
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How did this car do against the others btw???
I'm enjoying watching your good video.
I support you in Korea.
Grew up waiting on Sunday mornings now both my love it as well even though they call it an infomercial with cool cars an great idea
Pat always comes threw with the nice top pocket pen pack
"affordable form of auto racing" LMFAO good joke
@@Buzzard-wq1bw wrong, none of those classes are "affordable"
@@Buzzard-wq1bw what is your households gross yearly income?
Much cheaper than an open late model!
Racer tried to mumble some support... But you could see he was super disappointed with the HP numbers from these Parts/Assemblers with a dyno.
Honestly lmao. People don’t think about the cost of fuel and tires… tires last 2 races if your lucky btw😂 You always got to factor in other parts too, I just had to replace a cylinder head and things aren’t too cheap. Sponsors chip in a little money but it doesn’t pay for it all😂
Best American V8 channel on TH-cam!
Great video . Lots of info for a dirt racing spectator like myself. Love it 😀
dirt track racing is where its at. its cheap fun action and the grassroots feel is nice
I don't know. That engine doesn't look like what I would call cheap.
Late model isn’t and never will be “grass root”
Thats a nice little iron head motor !
I know some boys who put aluminum heads on their car but paint it so that way a magnet will stick to it lol
oh my god that is just amazing that there is footage of my hometrack Clarksville Speedway in here
Love you guys
Boy that engine would be a lot of fun.
I am an outside machinist and I fix submarines and aircraft carriers so I get how small measurements have to be. we use all the precision tools (outside mic, inside mic, intramik, vernier calipers, dial indicators, etc). its crazy how you can't even see something but it effects rotating machinery's durability and function and the feel of a big ball valve or if it leaks, (obviously its a big deal on a submarine) even just. 0.0010" makes a huge difference especially on fitted bolts and bearings. I did something last night that required a 0.0000-.00006 clearance. Crazy shit
lots of +- 0.0002 shit in machining.transmissions are ridiculously tight tolerance 8 micons runout on groove position,thats like 2-3 tenths
First thing I noticed at the very beginning of the episode at 0:40 that GM crate engine he is standing next to has the double breather valve cover on the passenger side which is completely backwards from how it’s supposed to be
Yep... instantly noticed that also. That engine is a turd. 8 inch massive balancer .. just fantastic for slowing racecars down twice a lap. I guarantee I make more power with a 384.57. It's a nice over square idea though. 14:1 compression with no crackle. I'm not happy unless I'm making at least 1.2hp/cu.in.
My 355 for my sportsman makes more than that. Im also on alky.
I like that little screamer
so that's where Tom Green went
You guys have a great program.....never miss it. Torrington bearings are the most under-used bearings there are....Bravo! Have built many engines but stumped exactly how you design a cam to favor two-barrel carbs......can you enlighten us all out here with somewhat of an explanation that adds up? Thanks for all you show. The List 4412 500 cfm is a really sweet carb. I noticed that you are using a slotted spacer underneath the carb. I have found that using a 4-bbl manifold sometimes indexing the carb a little forward or back on the manifold can make over 10 hp difference and certainly can balance cylinder to cylinder fuel distribution. I've not reached the end of the video yet...have you tried that?
Sorry man, they don't reply to these old shows
I’m with you on wanting to understand how certain combos work. Especially the 2bbl carb on the 4bbl manifold.
outstanding!!!
serious hp for a 2 can na small block
High compression and solid roller cam
thinking of taking 5.2, 5.9 magnum 1996 1500 seeing what will fit from each one crazy idea ,not like taking parts from 383 or 440 ,400 changing things around ?? these shows get you thinking about old school sure brings back the pass
Topo needs more pens.
And 1st.
????? Who's topo and why does he need pens?????
The Executioner Topo is short for the host Pat TOPOlinski. He always has shirt-pocket full of pens and pencils.
@@bigboreracing356 you can never have to many pens.
@@bigboreracing356 leave a pen on a keyboard in my office and it will walk away double quick.
Impressive Torque with the 2 Barrel. May have been possible to increase both numbers using different spacers with the 4 Barrel. Were they using Late Model Plus fuel ??? More Torque !!! I gotta have more torque !! What every dirt racer says in the dyno room !!!
Just near 500hp? Sounds like a crate engine. Cause our pony class 4cylinder cars. 2300 Ford blocks are pushing 400hp. And the big kmsa engine 2500 Ford block is near 500 hp. So our big 4banger is pushing close to that Chevy v8 horse power.
Would love to see a Ford engine build.
That makes 2 of us!
At Donnie Moran's home track Muskingum Speedway our street stock Motors are like that certainly not late model stuff. I guess each area of the country has their own deal.
"Not allowed to modify the heads" they pulled them apart "just to clean them?" Hahaha nooooo, they did some bowl work to them heads😉
RockinGbody _ ain’t racein if there isn’t cheatin
@@billybobaggins8820 it's only cheating if you get caught.
That rule is a joke , no need to modify if you're allowed to use a head like that.
I have a 96 jetta 2.0l. I like to put turbo on it but no idea what I need for Internal parts
I need one of those in my IROC Z
Motor was a screamer!!
2 bbl carb or restrictor plates is too much restriction for a straight runner intake. a dual plane is much better suited with a restricted carburetor.
May be required to use by the Track Rules
Now do a sprintcar motor with a 305 with injection on Methanol
I thought they would use stock heads since most small dirt track guys do but I should of known they'd install aftermarket heads,they always do.
With a 409 cubic inch and 309 cfm cylinder head and 14:1compression .650 lift roller TKO lobe cam this motor should be in the neighborhood of 650 hp minimum with a 4brl
I was surprised too my 406 with a tad more cam and 320 flow on the heads made almost 680
Flat tappet or roller cam?
Now do one of an open, dry sump late model motor!
You really wanna see them spend all that money to make 750 hp? lmao
And yes i know what those motors should make for power, i just dont see these guys doing it.
It would seem to me that with a restricted 2 barrel that you would want small c.i. high rpm. like a 4.125 and a 2.750 stroke. i.e. quick to accelerate and 9000 rpm or so. this was close to one of our winning asphalt limited late model engines killing the 355ci engins.
Damn . Picking up the engine from the intake manifold gives me goosebumps
Yea but as long as everything is torqued down correctly and the bolts for the intake plate are in good and the chain on the engine lift is good I say go at it my family and I are full of mechanics backyard and ASE certified and sometimes both plus we have motorcycle builders and mechanics in my family so if it has wheels and an engine whether it be Ford,Chevy,and or Mopar and Japanese and Harleys,Customs,and Japanese motorcycles someone in my family can work on them and I've seen engines picked up like that plenty of times and also using a manual chain engine hoist using a tree limb to pull the engine out of the car so I say when in Rome do what the Romans do and that's use the tools that you have to work with you just have to be smarter than the tool your working with
@@keefespencer1173 I would rather pick it up from the block . Not the intake . Just saying . Everyone has their methods. But personally I dont trust that. Your personal preference is up to you . Mine isn't this .
Raul JR Lara I’ve done this for years even with big blocks. There’s a reason why carb bolt pattern lift plates are so common.... they work!!!!! I understand your concerns though.
@@jasontruman1215 Proof Raul has never pulled an engine with more than 4 cylinders, if any engine at all
@@zuestoots5176 stupid 😂 . Get out internet troll. It's all preference like I said .
It would be awesome if you guys could do a p-pump 12 valve Cummins motor build
pdfgaming
People are sick of Cummins builds.
Chump Johnson
Yea, there sick of the same builds with people that have no idea wat their talking about
STREET RACER
Lames
Man that's a rowdy cam
I daily a 243/255-110 cam with an 8" stall. Nothing to it.
cast iron small blocks💪🏼
You guys need to make a truck of 2006 GMC Sierra 1500? V8 5.3 2 door short bed I want to see how you guys fix that truck.
Could this motor be good in drag racing
Now that's not fair yeah I'm going to have to do one on the street and strip
What is the part# on the cam bearings and can you use them on stock factory blocks
Durabond chdt1t. All the OD of the bearings are exactly the same. A stock block has 3 different OD cam brgs. Not the same but durabond does make the exact material bearings for a stock block.
What's up with supposed 2.751 main journal? 400 is 2.650, i went back and screenshot mic under 2.450 for 350 main size.
That air breather didn't do NUTHIN
Where are you guys racing at?? We ran much more hp out of a 421 small block. Not to mention other differences.
Grt shop is in my hometown of greenbrier Arkansas
Wish my dad would let me do this instead of making me go to gymnastics 🤸♀️ 😢🙄
Lol
put that practice to good use and piss him off at the same time....become a stripper
Bless your heart Chloe
You look like your old enough to say I dont want to do gymnastics lol
Hate to be Debbie Downer, But if you show up to a track today with that car, and you wouldn’t be able to get out of last place with it. Technology and Chassis have changed TREMENDOUSLY!!!
This episode was probably made at least 5-10 years ago
Class rules to make the class affordable. Buys 10k of iron
Yeah a 50000 engine is affordable
Yeah but if you want to play with the big boys it's expensive. In other competitive arenas I am familiar with look at what competitive rifle shooters spend on a PRS competition gun. With glass and accessories $10k is nothing.
Can you deck n cam a Ford 351M no one has built one of these from a to z...
My dad built 3 of them except his were 351/400M's in his 78 F150 Ranger with a 4 speed behind and were not a Ford family but that was the only Ford he owned and he did so for a while but we stayed proud of that old truck cuz we used to drive that truck everywhere and almost every weekend we used to haul the race car to the track out pulling some gas powered dually's on the way there and the old Ford was only 2WD with 31 inch tall tires on it
@@keefespencer1173 I understand 351m/400m is roughly identical..I would like to see one of these built using so new tricks and toss an efi system on it..
@@bigboreracing356 C6 big block Mount and just torque for the Bronco.
I sure wish you guys would have done a full-blown all-aluminum late model engine 900 horsepower Orso with no silly power adders just cubic inches and compression
Still waiting for the video of them at the track with him like they said
i wanna see as well!!
🇺🇸 🏁
How are they getting that high of compression using flat top pistons instead of dome pistons???....
Small CC's on the combustion chambers and a much larger quench area can do that. Also making the piston closer to the top of the deck and cylinder head via a longer connecting rod does it too which makes it an interference fit engine. There are more ways than what I just listed.
49cc
This is a baby motor. Super motors have 900+ hp.
i was thinking the same thing. a stock 427 big block puts out more than this. even with a .560/.580 solid flat cam. something very wrong here.
Has to meet class regulations. Needs usable powerband
@@ablaylock4273 Very simple. 500cfm carb and class rules.
@@cw1824 I know its a drag on hp. But, I've personally seen a built 283 in a 55 chevy run 11 second 1/4 mile slips with a 500 cm stock 4412. I will say it had a 4 speed and 4.88 gear. But I have to believe it had about 500 to make this happen.....
Wharff racing #42, Charlie was the original
14:28 WTF was that?!
He was breaking the lifters in, duuhhh.
You forgot to offset the rear main seal and put sealant where the main cap butts to the block.
Also when they set the crank in at 8:25
At 8:07 when they lube the bearings you can see in the background the seal is offset.
Why does the second compression ring need a larger gap than the top ring? I thought the top ring was exposed to the most heat, therefore needing a larger gap than the second.??
Gas gets trapped between the rings. The only way for gas to leave is down. It's not going up because of compression. Without extra ring gap to let the gas out, it escapes by lifting the 2 ring off the wall. A bigger gap on the 2nd ring seals the motor better. Every ring manufacturer recommends a bigger gap on the 2nd but total seal....
14-1 comp with flat tops?
caught my attention too. is this possible?
@@ablaylock4273 49cc chambers or smaller
0:48 why do i see a mini stock running with those other classes ...
I was wondering the same thing lol at first I thought packing but when I went back they were on the green so I have no idea
Probably a open test or practice session where all classes are allowed on track
we have a class called mini mod and it was probably running with them because their car passed the mini mod rules and the pure mini rules and they probably paid the entry fee for both classs
If 10 to 15,000 dollars is affordable I'd like to see the big dollar engine.
Maynard Reed used Durham’s and Roush Yates’ go for 20k+ used.. looking around 30k for one brand new. In all reality you wouldn’t even be able to compete with the big boys (WoO LMS and Lucas Oil LMS) on a $10-15k engine
@@bigboreracing356 I guess. I'm having a hard time swallowing a grand my heads done.
Well in East TN we have a sportsman late model class which has a steelhead option and you can run a 602 or 604 crate with the seals broken on them in the sportsman class so a used maybe 2006 grt or masterbilt rolling chassis with winters rear non adjustable shocks wheels tires about 2 to 4k range on racing junk.com or Facebook market place a rebuilt 602 crate with the seals broken I've seen some that do great on the track for about 1200 on the marketplace before very affordable engine makes decent power for what it is and a brinn or Bert direct drive I've seen em in good used condition anywhere from 300$ to 900$ if you look in the right spot used kirkey seat 80 to150$ steering wheel 10$ used and all accessories needed plus the harder compound tires so you don't have to run new tires every week people that say racing is expensive are the ones that think you have to be up front if you just wanna get a late model to the track and have some fun and don't care about winning not so much I can afford it I could probably afford to be up front I choose not to I make 20$ an hour my wife makes about the same with 2 kids and bills it cost roughly 500 a week I've seen people spend twice that a week to go golfing some people have side by sides some muscle cars some boats as their toys this is the same concept
Never mind the engine. Did I see that engine stand roll over with is own motor?????
You got the valve covers on the wrong side of that 602 crate engine
17:28
Here I thought we were going to see them build a real late model engine all aluminum around 900 horsepower
when the title says iron?
Always feel let down when the video is actually the same as described in the title.
GRT? How old is this video?
grt still makes cars
I think those headlights will be a bit out
Why are you guys so conservative on timing? This kind of motor usually likes 36-38 degrees..
Yeah how does a guy set that kind of advance??? Do I have to buy a strip to wrap around the balancer??? The timing tabs have only 2 4 6 8 and 0
@@bilbobaggins4710buy an advance timing light, then you only need the 0 degree part of the tab
My 355 4412 motor likes 41 degrees.
I wonder how the officials would know if it was ported ?
If they suspect funny business or you get a complaint from other races I guess.
Grass roots are NOT late models in any configuration, all are big bucks$$$$$$$$. This engine should have been built with an iron flat tapped cam. Block and heads were right a pro/super stock would have been a better engine to build. Then follow with an IMCA street stock……..bad choice in my opinion.
Only affordable class in dirt oval racing is a 4 cylinder hornet anything else is 10 to 20 grand for a motor and that’s a cheaper one
10:49 that's your choice of ring orientation installing the piston? haha
If your limited to 500cfm you went too big on the cubes to pull hard up top..
That many Cu in will pull it out of a corner faster roundy round is different than a 1/4 mile
A larger engine will make more power than a smaller one even with the 4412. I have a circle track engine a flat top piston 355 Chevy that I built for a customer that makes 500 horsepower. Just for fun I did a couple of pulls using that same 4412 carburetor on a 454 small block that I also built and it made 530 horsepower. The 355 has about 1000 pulls worth of development work and the 454 had zero.
@@DaveMcLain just out of curiousity, what kind of power would a dyno tested 550hp big block chevy make with a 4412 on E85?
@@ablaylock4273 My 454 small block made 600 horsepower and dropped about 70. Could your engine drop a little less than that and make 520? Probably. In my testing I found no horsepower advantage to running E-85 on the 355 engine with the 4412 but that engine is really well developed with gasoline too it didn't run worse but it didn't run better. I flogged it a lot too. I've never tested a 4412 with methanol but that stuff would probably be worth some power.
Dave McLain thanks for the reply. I've got a 2nd Gen ump street stock I picked up for a decent price. I also have 427 big block I've had for years. L88 specs but with iron heads and Victor jr intake. gonna put engine in car with direct drive glide and 6.20 gear. it might be a handful in the corners but how could it not compete? we shall see.
With that kind of clearance you'd think they were building a Ford.
Only 1.36 HP per cid with the 4 barrel. Sad hell it's very high compression race gas engine.
Probably for race restrictions
@@punman5392 possibly. Maybe camshaft restrictions. I build a 489 cid bbc 10:1 compression dynod at 675 hp pump gas street engine
I would love to see what you guys could do with a 5.2 318 magnum. Everyone always builds ford and chevy engines. What about a small block mopar magnum??
Garbage engines, they wont live up high in the RPM
You can build any engine to hold high rpm. What exactly is your point. You must don't know much about a small block mopar magnum to even say this.
@@rodericklewis832 he's 100% correct friend
@@bilbobaggins4710
As he mentioned, a properly built engine with the right parts, including oiling improvements, can make any engine survive. Especially a later model 318. I had one in my Durango years ago and beat on it pretty hard and it never missed a beat with regular oil changes and basic maintenance.
They have hemi engine builds on their site.
no porting or polishing of the heads is allowed. HOW ABOUT GASKET MATCHING THE INTAKE AND EXHAUST PORTS? LEGAL?
@@Welcometofacsistube and youre not supposed to. it suppose to be port matched. even the edlebrock rpm intake instructions tell you should be doing it. those manifolds on a windsor for example dont even match up to a trick flow 170 and they sure as hell dont flow as much as the head does. its should be flowing more than the head.
Wanna toss my salad bro???? Please
John 3:16🙂
Displacement calculation: bore × bore × stroke x .7854 × number of cylinders gives you the number for those that are wondering. This show needs someone to make things more clear. I get that it's a time crunch but if you're gonna do it right, don't half ass shit.
His trailer is too narrow......
Sorry, But did you just say an affordable form of racing?!?! 😳😂 You have LOST your mind Sir! JUST One of our Super Engines cost 50K, a Crate engine can even cost you 15K or so complete, and a GOOD Chassis, is gonna run you 30K Plus!!! Trust me, There is NOTHING Affordable about DLM Racing these days... 💯
Yeah I see too many videos of people saying the cars are "affordable" but have over 50k dumped into the car and their equipment. Mini stocks or street stocks is affordable racing and even that can get a bit pricey
you can get a gm 602 crate engine for around 5k depends on where you buy it
@@ROSS219PRODUCTIONS You can’t get a “Good” crate engine for 5K anymore. Especially by the time you buy the accessories! You can spend as much on that stuff as you do the engine, If you want to run up front. Look up just what the best headers, carb & a fan costs ya, and don’t forget the engine after it is worked over by a reputable shop… You CAN’T buy a Crate Engine you are going to win a big crate show with for 5K man, it’s not happening…
Affordable. Lol
Breathers are on wrong head
you don't believe in putting oil on the timing chain? yikes!
Don't turn the crank because main bearings aren't round until torqued... Disregard that nonsense advice for the rods though... Cool video either way...
th-cam.com/video/-36wxEmJYMs/w-d-xo.html The first line of this Mel McDaniel tune describes your bullet.
.900 cams are about as rigid as a piece of spaghetti. You lose lift with flex. Could have gotten away with a much larger base circle, you only had a stock 400 sbc stroke........
Nothing cheap about dirt or asphalt racing I have been racing asphalt since I was 8 and dirt once in a blue moon if you got 20 grand to blow a year on tires and parts for a full season then you can go asphalt street stick or modified racing ut costs lots of money to win races and make no money
Ditch the raspy voiced narrator.
That air filter is dirty af🤮
I’d rather drive a Cavalier.
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Where are the lash caps guys? Come on.
Screw that 2 barrel crap
Rules like this on the engine are stupid. Better efficiency is good for the engine. Smaller engines lower weight.
Yeah just bolt that engine up to the cherry picker on the aluminum intake manifold... It will be fine...
@@johncholmes643 I'm talking about the entire weight of the engine on the carb studs
It’s fine
I love how they say they measure the crank to .00001 and then use a .000 mic im calling bull shit on that! the best resolution your getting with that mic is .0005 and that's not gonna work.
I missed where they said they measured to .00001"
I've used Mitutoyo mics just like that. They measure .0000"
he could not have a worse haircut
Oh god....Are you gay???
It's a bowl cut baby. . Long live the Bowl 🙋