I am a Old Systems Integration Engineer with over Fifty plus years of experience in the USA. I enjoy watching Nick and Adam working together the Master and the Apprentice.
One thing I learned long before I entered the work force was that, unfortunately, being qualified on paper has little connection to being able (or willing) to do work properly.
On the flip side, not being 'qualified' and actually doing the job properly, unfortunately does not benefit NICIEC shareholders....... oops, controversial.....
Since watching ye lads I'm really thinking of doing something similar in the fibre optic industry in Ireland. Also I'm bought stuff from uni light and I'm also in contact with the tool manic lads my misus will kill me one these days . Adam needs make more videos 👍well done very inspirational lads💪
Nick & Adam. Ahh.....the joys of outdoor work and English weather! Maybe the rain will rinse off the wee'd tool bag? Nice camera work Adam. A treat to see Nick working! LOL
Yeah mate, if you could do a Tradify video about how you set your account, create invoices, quote for materials, etc... that will be great! I tried Tradify in the past and I had to cancel the subscription because I didn’t find it very useful. The guys from Tradify offered to help me how I’m setting up the account but it was happening everytime I was very busy and couldn’t really allocate time for this even though maybe in the end was saving me time. Having a video about it I can watch it anytime and anywhere :)
I would issue a minor works for it and state the elements on which i had improved on. I would have pushed if they had the budget for them to have switched from a plug top to a fused spur inside the property So this wouldn't be missed on the EICR of the property when it comes round for the system to be serviced. I don't think i could get away with treating as a portable appliance as if they are owners rather than renters. This would be missed off the inspection schedule. Also i would still test and record something just to protect my back if the system is modified after i left site and its does harm someone. Sending just an invoice doesn't protect your back if you get pulled into the dock to prove you left a safe, fit for purpose working system in the future. A plug top may fall outside the scope of "Minor works cert" as its removal without the need of a tool. But any records photos or videos at the time of commissioning will make sure you are not the one blamed if it does ever go wrong. Great Video once again :D
I like the use of that gland pack, saving having to terminate to a metal box and using a gutter bolt for earthing the armoured sheathing... haven't used them before 👍
I’ve been using the Aurora En-lite down lights for years, E8s and E5s. Fitted thousands of them and can count on one hand the amount I’ve had to change due to failure
@@ruskythegreat it’s the gu10 lamp that goes though, I use the integrated fittings. GU10s are a false economy, less light output and don’t last very long in comparison to the integrated all in ones.
@@alanlloyd7208 Yeah, I might start swapping them for the E5 or E8 when the next starts to fail since the E5 is about the same price as the GU10 & I have 20 of them on my house
@@ruskythegreat if you shop around online you can usually get good bulk buy discounts on them, I use the electricalcounter.co.uk, excellent service and I’ve found the to usually be the most competitive for pricing
Yet another so called "qualified", tradesman! They waft their JIB approved cards about, but regularly do very questionable substandard work? It's a bit like drivers on the road, they're all qualified but lots drive like chavs! This industry needs a brand new paradigm. Maybe regular practical trades tests? Recently I travelled over 100 miles to make off lots of pyro ends to a relocated fire alarm panel at a car dealership because the sparks on the job were making a hash of it! They were all JIB. Niceic ECA. What a mess! Everything crooked, black finger Mark's everywhere. Hmmm? How strange. I started my time in the 1970s, but I'm considered too out of date to join the niceic? I can do any job and, complex fault finding. I retire in a few years, thank god! Thanks for the video.
Here in New Jersey to become an electrician you have to work at least five years in the trade under a licensed master before you can even challenge the exam. Then you have to do annual continuing education. Even so I've seen some sketchy stuff with an inspection green tag on it.
If you were to issue a cert for that, it'd be interesting to see how you fill it in. You're effectively doing a PAT test. Insulation resistance and earth continuity only for me. Ze and Zs is largely irrelevant as its on a 13A fuse and the supplying circuit parameters could change. I guess you could record the Zs at the supplying socket. It's an odd one. I would try to persuade the customer to hard wire it.
Unplug the lights, treat the plug as if it was the beginning of the circuit and do all tests from there. Rcd test if the sockets have one. Then just note on the cert that the outside lights are plugged in.
Edit: 132.16 in bs7671 states that "no addition or alteration temporary or permanent shall be made to an existing installation, unless it has been ascertained that the rating and condition of any existing equipment including that of the distributor will be adequate for the altered circumstances. Furthermore the earthing and bonding arrangements. Bs7671 644.1.2 states further on to this that any addition or alteration requires that any defect or omission that affects safety that us revealed during inspection and testing shall be corrected before a certificate is issued. From this, it being a temporary addition it would be safe to assume a minor works cert would be required
Seems like some sparks are getting their qualifications right out of Christmas crackers. In reality you learn out in the field. You can be taught the generic theory in college. Most of the practical you'll encounter in real life situations. You're blessed if you're mentored by a decent time served electrician. My mentor was an electrical engineer. The information and practical I was taught on site. Was far beyond what I learned in college. Hats off to great people. God bless his kind soul. I always had respect for him. He had the patience of a Saint. There were more then a few occasions when I F'd up. ☹😬😕
Even though it's on a plug top, it's a fixed installation in my mind as the SWA (and now the socket) is fixed permanently to the building / decking, so I'd issue a minor works
I don't know if you can issue it a issue a minor works cert. In my mind it's not really an "installation" to bs7671. You've essentially made a fancy extension lead. Nature of supply potentially becomes a tricky issue too. If you did issue a MWC I'd at least make it clear that it is on a socket.
No cert needed if it's on a plug as bypasses regs it's fused what more you need also rcd on consumer lol... I wired a light in a cupboard using a plug 2 core job to a bayonet fitting with inline switch sorted... I'm also near Stafford was born there and lived there most me life. Have fun guys
As it’s basically an extension lead Nick, I would PAT test it stick a label on the plug in the house. But if the install in the house can happily take a fused spur I would suggest getting rid of the 3 pin plug and issue a minor works certificate.
Still not seen a single episode of GOT and probably never will. :) Your bromance is official now what with Adam finishing your sentences...... :) How is the retraining as a plumber going? And minor works on all jobs as a bare minimum for a paper trail. :)
These recessed LED downlighters are springing up like toadstools. You can't go wrong with the OldSkool Rose Holder Batten 'n' Shade. Or a fluorescent light in the kitchen.
I have been using them for a couple of years now from memory. They are well priced around £8.50 plus vat and having fitted at least 800 plus in bathrooms and kitchens & only having one not work when fitted, never had to go back to replace a faulty one, great value for money, very reliable, well made and you can even disconnect the fitting from the main wiring for easier testing. Not to mention they are all IP44 from memory, class 2 which is a bonus and you can get them in warm white, white, cool white, they even make a colour switchable version for around £2.50 extra per fitting. Uses a tiny slider switch to select your preference.
We have given up on all intergratedled fittings ( kosnic Jcc enlite.lap robus ) always get a few fail 6 months to 2 years so fed up going back for nothing JCC AS YOU NOW USE IS THE WAY FORWARD
Seems like the NIC has done the right thing , as I said in my comment about that particular installation . That all governing body’s should be pro active in this regard. Let’s hope we see more of this in the future . I also hope the person responsible for the work has been removed from the register. It does no one any good it work of this caliber is left unreported. So my fellow electricians don’t be afraid to name and shame. 😀👍👍
I would definitely go down the MWC route and note on the comments the plug and socket arrangement should be replaced with a fuse spur unit. The SWA is buried and not classified as moveable under the appliance testing guidance, the fact that the connection method is a plug and socket, more usually associated with portable appliances isn't a valid argument for me. There are a number of instances I have come across apparatus fixed into cabinets and onto walls, but fed via a plug and socket to prevent breaking into circuits or ease of future maintenance.
I have not long started using Tradify, I have a question for you about it, how do you go about using the schedule. Because it doesn’t give me notifications from the app I have to manually input them into my IPhone calendar like a pleb, otherwise I miss appointments.
I personally wouldn't issue a cert for works on a plug top or from the load side of a spur/ lighting plug like a klik. it's interesting though as I don't think something like this would be PAT tested either not that many domestic jobs get pat tested. but personally, I would have come from inside from a socket drilled through the back and classed the 1 double socket as a spur of the ring and issued a cert, seeing it on a plug top make me think it wasn't a qualified electricians work.
Technically I would not issue a Cert as it is not part of the installation...Buuut I would! As I consider it good practice and it is part of the installation.
As the core of the wiring is "fixed" or permanent I would class it requiring a certificate. The fact that it's running from a 13A plug is irrelevant & in this instance a PAT can't be done correctly as you're not able to fully inspect the cable. In the same vein, I usually consider extension leads that are attached to the fabric of a building to be part of the fixed wiring. Being a bit of a knob here, but T&E into a plug isn't acceptable & I would be removing the plug and using an FCU, or at least an adaptable to connect to a flex.
Those locknuts do have a right way and a wrong way, as Adam said. They have little lines on one side that dig into the material as you tighten it up 👍🏻 Also, no to tape for identifying conductors, lazy Adam!!
They might have a right way in a metal box, but what about in a plastic box? I presume the ridges on the nut are to cut through the surface finish on the box and ensure the enclosure is well grounded, but it isn’t going to do anything but tear up the side of a plastic box.
Bryn Jones agreed! they don’t tear up plastic boxes though. They just dig in a bit then they stop the nut spinning so it doesn’t create complete carnage.. as you say though plastic boxes it really doesn’t matter but they still have an intended ‘right way round’.
@@TheFool2cool because looking at the original job it wasn't exactly a good standard of installation and he remade the armoured off and connected it to the skt,and how do you know if it there is correct polarity or lack of a CPC and being outside lack of RCD protection,but hey that's what I would of done,it doesn't take long to check and to me it was a fixed installation and not a appliance 👍
BS7671:2018 definition of Minor work in Pt 2 infers it relates to cabling and switchgear that forms part of the installation and the adding or alteration of permanent items to it. Something connected to the fixed installation at a plug socket is not fixed or permanent and so falls outside of that definition. If you changed the MCB protecting that circuit to an RCBO because it didn’t have RCD protection as required for servicing an outdoor piece of equipment then that would require an MWC. If you found an extension lead that had the single insulated wires showing and made re-terminated it would you would not issue a MWC and that it what you did here.
If it was on a plug it's not part of the fixed wiring so I wouldn't issue a certificate although I would do a polarity, loop and rcd test on it. Anything on a plug I would class as an appliance technically this is not an appliance but a long extension lead.
I work on a.c. & d.c systems in telephone exchanges. Thank God cos that looked grim working in the rain, don't get me wrong I've done it myself whilst working for a generator company. Up to my knees in mud , wind blowing & cold as hell. Nasty.
Question Nick, how do you get Tradify sponsorship? I'm always plugging them as I love the product, but I'd love to get a discount code for my prescribers. I wonder what Delroy thinks of that under seat socket config? I use one of those big socket boxes for my Christmas lights, if you use them correctly they're great.
For alterations to the fitting at the end of a circuit, like you're doing here, i personally wouldn't issue a MWC unless the customer had a fresh installation cert from the previous electrician for that installation, in which case i would to show an alteration. End of the day the sad reality is any "competent" person could change the socket. Wouldn't need to be qualified
I think I would have only touched it if the customer agreed to hardwire the other end via a spur, and then I’d test and issue a minor works certificate. Possibly different being it’s for a mate though.
Really blows my mind that people refuse to watch game of thrones just because its popular, it has every possible genre with movie quality cinematics in every episode. Best show ever made IMO
I agree, But I don't like it because I'm not into that type of fantasy shit.. And to be honest the acting was a bit cringe, The whole thing just bored me. And I just like to add that there should be far more to a show/film than cinematics or special effects, To me it's dead in the water if it doesn't have the scripts and acting to go with it.
Would get IR reading to make sure the armoured is not damaged but as it's run of a plug I would see no reason for a minor works cert as it's not fixed wiring.
That looked rough and ready for a DIYer, let alone a qualified electrician. If somebody could think that absolute lash up was acceptable as a chargable job, it goes to show how many cowboys there are out there,
Plug or no plug that install isn't being picked up and walked off with. It's an installation, not an appliance. It's subject to the same regs and paperwork as anything else.
I think at least a small works cert so you can record the RCD results etc...I'm almost positive they won't have been given a cert when the job was done as that is not the work of a qualified electrician
The circuit can be disconnected without the use of a tool, for example a plug top, so wouldn't issue a minor works cert, but would definitely test before handover. Another appalling lash up done away with.
Thing is going behind all these “fully qualified electrician jobs” is in my experience the customer wants to cut you down on price our give you a sob story of how skint they are so that promotes a rushed job, then they don’t like the look of it our something like this happens and all of a sudden they don’t mind paying proper money to get it done properly second time around...
My first thought was to terminate the swa at the consumer unit with a dedicated fuse, having it wired to a plug and it not being part of the electrical installation is interesting...
I am a Old Systems Integration Engineer with over Fifty plus years of experience in the USA. I enjoy watching Nick and Adam working together the Master and the Apprentice.
One thing I learned long before I entered the work force was that, unfortunately, being qualified on paper has little connection to being able (or willing) to do work properly.
So true, this applies to everything not just trades.
On the flip side, not being 'qualified' and actually doing the job properly, unfortunately does not benefit NICIEC shareholders.......
oops, controversial.....
It was nice that Adam explained what you were doing, while you are doing it.
Since watching ye lads I'm really thinking of doing something similar in the fibre optic industry in Ireland. Also I'm bought stuff from uni light and I'm also in contact with the tool manic lads my misus will kill me one these days . Adam needs make more videos 👍well done very inspirational lads💪
Ansell prism is the downlight you want love them, easy to install and very reliable!
Nick & Adam. Ahh.....the joys of outdoor work and English weather! Maybe the rain will rinse off the wee'd tool bag? Nice camera work Adam. A treat to see Nick working! LOL
I’m not sure where Adam was pointing it sometimes.
Yeah mate, if you could do a Tradify video about how you set your account, create invoices, quote for materials, etc... that will be great! I tried Tradify in the past and I had to cancel the subscription because I didn’t find it very useful. The guys from Tradify offered to help me how I’m setting up the account but it was happening everytime I was very busy and couldn’t really allocate time for this even though maybe in the end was saving me time. Having a video about it I can watch it anytime and anywhere :)
I would issue a minor works for it and state the elements on which i had improved on. I would have pushed if they had the budget for them to have switched from a plug top to a fused spur inside the property So this wouldn't be missed on the EICR of the property when it comes round for the system to be serviced. I don't think i could get away with treating as a portable appliance as if they are owners rather than renters. This would be missed off the inspection schedule. Also i would still test and record something just to protect my back if the system is modified after i left site and its does harm someone. Sending just an invoice doesn't protect your back if you get pulled into the dock to prove you left a safe, fit for purpose working system in the future. A plug top may fall outside the scope of "Minor works cert" as its removal without the need of a tool. But any records photos or videos at the time of commissioning will make sure you are not the one blamed if it does ever go wrong. Great Video once again :D
I like the use of that gland pack, saving having to terminate to a metal box and using a gutter bolt for earthing the armoured sheathing... haven't used them before 👍
I’ve been using the Aurora En-lite down lights for years, E8s and E5s. Fitted thousands of them and can count on one hand the amount I’ve had to change due to failure
It seems I'm forever replacing GU10s that come in their fire rated downlights. They last about 4 years.
@@ruskythegreat it’s the gu10 lamp that goes though, I use the integrated fittings. GU10s are a false economy, less light output and don’t last very long in comparison to the integrated all in ones.
@@alanlloyd7208 Yeah, I might start swapping them for the E5 or E8 when the next starts to fail since the E5 is about the same price as the GU10 & I have 20 of them on my house
@@ruskythegreat if you shop around online you can usually get good bulk buy discounts on them, I use the electricalcounter.co.uk, excellent service and I’ve found the to usually be the most competitive for pricing
Yet another so called "qualified", tradesman! They waft their JIB approved cards about, but regularly do very questionable substandard work? It's a bit like drivers on the road, they're all qualified but lots drive like chavs! This industry needs a brand new paradigm. Maybe regular practical trades tests? Recently I travelled over 100 miles to make off lots of pyro ends to a relocated fire alarm panel at a car dealership because the sparks on the job were making a hash of it! They were all JIB. Niceic ECA. What a mess! Everything crooked, black finger Mark's everywhere. Hmmm? How strange. I started my time in the 1970s, but I'm considered too out of date to join the niceic? I can do any job and, complex fault finding. I retire in a few years, thank god! Thanks for the video.
I would be sceptical about calling the previous guy an electrician, by any stretch of the imagination!!!
Previous guy once seen someone wire a plug, in a dream, a decade ago. So he of course considers himself an electrician.
Here in New Jersey to become an electrician you have to work at least five years in the trade under a licensed master before you can even challenge the exam. Then you have to do annual continuing education. Even so I've seen some sketchy stuff with an inspection green tag on it.
If you were to issue a cert for that, it'd be interesting to see how you fill it in. You're effectively doing a PAT test. Insulation resistance and earth continuity only for me. Ze and Zs is largely irrelevant as its on a 13A fuse and the supplying circuit parameters could change. I guess you could record the Zs at the supplying socket. It's an odd one. I would try to persuade the customer to hard wire it.
Unplug the lights, treat the plug as if it was the beginning of the circuit and do all tests from there. Rcd test if the sockets have one. Then just note on the cert that the outside lights are plugged in.
Hi nick and Adam thanks for sharing your video with me and I would love to see a lot more of your videos
Do you want to talk Adam? No. I’ll just add a word in your gaps 😂
Oh that's where I left my spirit level.
Adams really coming out his shell 😎
Great video gents
Edit: 132.16 in bs7671 states that "no addition or alteration temporary or permanent shall be made to an existing installation, unless it has been ascertained that the rating and condition of any existing equipment including that of the distributor will be adequate for the altered circumstances. Furthermore the earthing and bonding arrangements.
Bs7671 644.1.2 states further on to this that any addition or alteration requires that any defect or omission that affects safety that us revealed during inspection and testing shall be corrected before a certificate is issued.
From this, it being a temporary addition it would be safe to assume a minor works cert would be required
Sorry Nick, Officially Gassed uploaded same time, you can wait for this one.. Lol
Seems like some sparks are getting their qualifications right out of Christmas crackers. In reality you learn out in the field. You can be taught the generic theory in college. Most of the practical you'll encounter in real life situations.
You're blessed if you're mentored by a decent time served electrician. My mentor was an electrical engineer. The information and practical I was taught on site. Was far beyond what I learned in college. Hats off to great people. God bless his kind soul. I always had respect for him. He had the patience of a Saint. There were more then a few occasions when I F'd up. ☹😬😕
💯 agree with this.
Yes do a video on how do all that with tradify!.. and another great video btw 😁
Even though it's on a plug top, it's a fixed installation in my mind as the SWA (and now the socket) is fixed permanently to the building / decking, so I'd issue a minor works
Aww man, the dog!? I've had a dog get into my bag and eat my lunch a few times, but never damage tools!
Keen for a Tradify run through vid, thinking of "Getting amongst it"
I don't know if you can issue it a issue a minor works cert. In my mind it's not really an "installation" to bs7671. You've essentially made a fancy extension lead. Nature of supply potentially becomes a tricky issue too. If you did issue a MWC I'd at least make it clear that it is on a socket.
We all know adam dabbles with the sticky icky 😂
No cert needed if it's on a plug as bypasses regs it's fused what more you need also rcd on consumer lol... I wired a light in a cupboard using a plug 2 core job to a bayonet fitting with inline switch sorted... I'm also near Stafford was born there and lived there most me life. Have fun guys
As it’s basically an extension lead Nick, I would PAT test it stick a label on the plug in the house. But if the install in the house can happily take a fused spur I would suggest getting rid of the 3 pin plug and issue a minor works certificate.
I’ll work for yeh lad! Talk about GOT an LOTR all day! 😆👍🏻
Still not seen a single episode of GOT and probably never will. :) Your bromance is official now what with Adam finishing your sentences...... :) How is the retraining as a plumber going? And minor works on all jobs as a bare minimum for a paper trail. :)
You need to get a fishing umbrella. Great for little jobs in the rain.
I need one of these. Great idea 👍🏼
Adam looks like hed had more than a whiff of weed on that tradify link 🤣🤣
Good vid mate. 👍🏾showing us some paperwork stuff would be delightful mate. Cheers
Totally caught the treasure planet reference 😀 Take care now! 'Let's motorrr!' (Ooft.. almost 20 years ago)
What’s that round the middle seat of the van. Is it a paper organiser?
I would class it as an extension lead and pat test it or recommend to the client to have it put onto a spur one so a MWs
These recessed LED downlighters are springing up like toadstools. You can't go wrong with the OldSkool Rose Holder Batten 'n' Shade. Or a fluorescent light in the kitchen.
Hate repairing cowboys work 🤦♂️. Great video 👍🏼
Have you tried Collingwood H2 Lite downlights? Fitted some today. Have a plug-in junction box so you can wire it with the lamp disconnected.
I use them all the time!
Not in kitchens I hope with that low CRI.
@@edc1569 I installed them in a bathroom but I'd imagine people put them all over the house. Why are you so concerned about low CRI in a kitchen?
I have been using them for a couple of years now from memory. They are well priced around £8.50 plus vat and having fitted at least 800 plus in bathrooms and kitchens & only having one not work when fitted, never had to go back to replace a faulty one, great value for money, very reliable, well made and you can even disconnect the fitting from the main wiring for easier testing. Not to mention they are all IP44 from memory, class 2 which is a bonus and you can get them in warm white, white, cool white, they even make a colour switchable version for around £2.50 extra per fitting. Uses a tiny slider switch to select your preference.
@@edc1569 Why are you saying not it kitchens with that cri?
We have given up on all intergratedled fittings ( kosnic Jcc enlite.lap robus ) always get a few fail 6 months to 2 years so fed up going back for nothing JCC AS YOU NOW USE IS THE WAY FORWARD
Nice little drive past Broad Eye windmill and the park, past the station but where did you end up???
Seems like the NIC has done the right thing , as I said in my comment about that particular installation . That all governing body’s should be pro active in this regard. Let’s hope we see more of this in the future . I also hope the person responsible for the work has been removed from the register. It does no one any good it work of this caliber is left unreported. So my fellow electricians don’t be afraid to name and shame. 😀👍👍
I would definitely go down the MWC route and note on the comments the plug and socket arrangement should be replaced with a fuse spur unit. The SWA is buried and not classified as moveable under the appliance testing guidance, the fact that the connection method is a plug and socket, more usually associated with portable appliances isn't a valid argument for me. There are a number of instances I have come across apparatus fixed into cabinets and onto walls, but fed via a plug and socket to prevent breaking into circuits or ease of future maintenance.
5:35 I can hear a cowboy from a distance trying to escape the job he done.
I have not long started using Tradify, I have a question for you about it, how do you go about using the schedule. Because it doesn’t give me notifications from the app I have to manually input them into my IPhone calendar like a pleb, otherwise I miss appointments.
Very handy tote tool bag, just the right size ,is it a Klein or Veto pro pak, nice job BTW, cheers for the make of bag if you have time.
Love watching your videos, what tool bag do you recommend for an apprentice?
A good one
What brand is the jobbing bag Nic?
@@bobbeats Looks like the one. Thank you.
I personally wouldn't issue a cert for works on a plug top or from the load side of a spur/ lighting plug like a klik. it's interesting though as I don't think something like this would be PAT tested either not that many domestic jobs get pat tested. but personally, I would have come from inside from a socket drilled through the back and classed the 1 double socket as a spur of the ring and issued a cert, seeing it on a plug top make me think it wasn't a qualified electricians work.
Technically I would not issue a Cert as it is not part of the installation...Buuut I would! As I consider it good practice and it is part of the installation.
As the core of the wiring is "fixed" or permanent I would class it requiring a certificate. The fact that it's running from a 13A plug is irrelevant & in this instance a PAT can't be done correctly as you're not able to fully inspect the cable. In the same vein, I usually consider extension leads that are attached to the fabric of a building to be part of the fixed wiring. Being a bit of a knob here, but T&E into a plug isn't acceptable & I would be removing the plug and using an FCU, or at least an adaptable to connect to a flex.
If you weren't going to certifiy as it's not part of the installation then would you not at least have to PAT test as a fixed appliance?
Those locknuts do have a right way and a wrong way, as Adam said. They have little lines on one side that dig into the material as you tighten it up 👍🏻 Also, no to tape for identifying conductors, lazy Adam!!
They might have a right way in a metal box, but what about in a plastic box?
I presume the ridges on the nut are to cut through the surface finish on the box and ensure the enclosure is well grounded, but it isn’t going to do anything but tear up the side of a plastic box.
Bryn Jones agreed! they don’t tear up plastic boxes though. They just dig in a bit then they stop the nut spinning so it doesn’t create complete carnage.. as you say though plastic boxes it really doesn’t matter but they still have an intended ‘right way round’.
Hey Nick, when did you become Adam’s apprentice?
Nice job guys
Yes test the circuit that the armoured is on seeing you worked on it,you never know if it was safe in the first place of installation 👍
If you fit an appliance on a plug top i.e a fridge or washing machine, do you test the circuit it's connected to?
@@TheFool2cool no you pat test the appliance ,
@@tww5719 so why are you telling him to test the circuit in this case?
@@TheFool2cool because looking at the original job it wasn't exactly a good standard of installation and he remade the armoured off and connected it to the skt,and how do you know if it there is correct polarity or lack of a CPC and being outside lack of RCD protection,but hey that's what I would of done,it doesn't take long to check and to me it was a fixed installation and not a appliance 👍
@@tww5719 But its on a plug top? I'm guessing you're used to stretching jobs out though for customers, turn a socket replacement into an EICR?
That middle seat in the van needs filling, or it wont match the other 2 when you sell it lol...
Ansell I cage , bayonet lamp holder so no messing/damage to decor while changing the lamp.
Nick sitting on the gas canister. Should you be mixing two gases? 🤔💥🔥👼
BS7671:2018 definition of Minor work in Pt 2 infers it relates to cabling and switchgear that forms part of the installation and the adding or alteration of permanent items to it. Something connected to the fixed installation at a plug socket is not fixed or permanent and so falls outside of that definition.
If you changed the MCB protecting that circuit to an RCBO because it didn’t have RCD protection as required for servicing an outdoor piece of equipment then that would require an MWC. If you found an extension lead that had the single insulated wires showing and made re-terminated it would you would not issue a MWC and that it what you did here.
I will take his job see you on Monday how do you take your tea? 😄🤣
nice bro
KSR downlights are great, give them a shot if you haven't already :)
Think I’m going to have to give these a go
@@leewillelectrical5413 done hundreds of them on new builds and can count on one hand how many ever had any issues :)
@@lewisb.3242 thanks for the advice buddy, I will definitely give them a go might even do a TH-cam video review on them👍🏼
If it was on a plug it's not part of the fixed wiring so I wouldn't issue a certificate although I would do a polarity, loop and rcd test on it. Anything on a plug I would class as an appliance technically this is not an appliance but a long extension lead.
How about doing a video showing us how to attach easycert to tradify,. Lots of us using these two software systems
No GoT = Instant sack.
Good man.
I work on a.c. & d.c systems in telephone exchanges. Thank God cos that looked grim working in the rain, don't get me wrong I've done it myself whilst working for a generator company. Up to my knees in mud , wind blowing & cold as hell. Nasty.
Nice job 😎
You need a cable assembly tent
Question Nick, how do you get Tradify sponsorship? I'm always plugging them as I love the product, but I'd love to get a discount code for my prescribers.
I wonder what Delroy thinks of that under seat socket config?
I use one of those big socket boxes for my Christmas lights, if you use them correctly they're great.
"No way a qualified electrician done that. I can't see it" :D
You'd have to issue a MWC for the SWA you made off into the double socket.
Adam looks like the young king out of GOT
Defo sack for :
A - not knowing John snow quote
B - relating Hobbit to GOT
Like saying swa similar to ip rated box...
For alterations to the fitting at the end of a circuit, like you're doing here, i personally wouldn't issue a MWC unless the customer had a fresh installation cert from the previous electrician for that installation, in which case i would to show an alteration.
End of the day the sad reality is any "competent" person could change the socket.
Wouldn't need to be qualified
Nice box of tricks that was
I like the bundkneese as you get up
I think I would have only touched it if the customer agreed to hardwire the other end via a spur, and then I’d test and issue a minor works certificate. Possibly different being it’s for a mate though.
Job for a mate. Take cash, delete video, none the wiser lol.
PAT test or make it a fixed part of the installation with certification
The smell of weed.
Then Adam chatting away, basically made that video.
Then we catch him munching a Maccy D.
You best keep a better eye on him Nick.
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Really blows my mind that people refuse to watch game of thrones just because its popular, it has every possible genre with movie quality cinematics in every episode. Best show ever made IMO
I agree, But I don't like it because I'm not into that type of fantasy shit.. And to be honest the acting was a bit cringe, The whole thing just bored me. And I just like to add that there should be far more to a show/film than cinematics or special effects, To me it's dead in the water if it doesn't have the scripts and acting to go with it.
Would get IR reading to make sure the armoured is not damaged but as it's run of a plug I would see no reason for a minor works cert as it's not fixed wiring.
What's the issue with the yesss ones? Drop me a message.
That looked rough and ready for a DIYer, let alone a qualified electrician. If somebody could think that absolute lash up was acceptable as a chargable job, it goes to show how many cowboys there are out there,
I want a tool bag like that. Who makes it ?
Velocity pro gear bud 👍
Plug or no plug that install isn't being picked up and walked off with. It's an installation, not an appliance. It's subject to the same regs and paperwork as anything else.
I think at least a small works cert so you can record the RCD results etc...I'm almost positive they won't have been given a cert when the job was done as that is not the work of a qualified electrician
Not watched Game of Thrones, doesn’t like Lord of the rings or the Hobbit and he said that tape will do 😮😮 it was not a good day for him 🤣
If it works and it's safe just let it be
Shocked that Adam hasn't watched GoT. :)
All this tradify stuff - I'm still winding my gramphone with paper invoices.
The circuit can be disconnected without the use of a tool, for example a plug top, so wouldn't issue a minor works cert, but would definitely test before handover.
Another appalling lash up done away with.
Most circuits can be disconnected without the use of a tool. You could open a breaker for example.
If it was fed via a plugtop I wouldn't issue a cert cos I'd walk away unless they wanted a proper job lol
A shame you didn't have a tarp or other sheeting with you. Could have thrown it over that pergola for some shelter.
Thing is going behind all these “fully qualified electrician jobs” is in my experience the customer wants to cut you down on price our give you a sob story of how skint they are so that promotes a rushed job, then they don’t like the look of it our something like this happens and all of a sudden they don’t mind paying proper money to get it done properly second time around...
9:07 that looks really uncomfortable 😮
that surely wasnt a sparky that did that work?
Dragons, wizards, witches, hobbits. All pure nonsense.
Invoice only. Not in the scope of 7671.
My first thought was to terminate the swa at the consumer unit with a dedicated fuse, having it wired to a plug and it not being part of the electrical installation is interesting...
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