My late Father was a Steam Driver and was working for SAICCOR driving their engines from 2005 until he passed away in December 2010. Sad to have seen this ending and the Diesels taking over. I myself is working for Metrorail here in Durban as a Yard Master. Great video and thank you as this brought back very fond memories of my Dad.
Good news guys- from what i have heard one of these 19Ds is going to a museum in Glasgow, the city it was built in. I am not sure of any plans to display it, but at least it is being preserved
Poor old things - I was surprised to see 19Ds still in use that recently. Even though their bearings rattled, their exhaust still sounded healthy enough. They brought back old memories of the 1970s, thanks for your video.
Wonderful video and documentation of history. Without people like yourself history would be forgotten, and future generations would never be able to enjoy the wonders of the past.
I was lucky as a kid to ride on trains pulled by steam engines in the late, 1960s and early 1970s before they disappeared forever. They were well maintained - shiny with no rust or faded paint. The stations were also immaculate and trains ran on time. I really admire the guys who keep these old juggernauts going.
These old locomotives are like old engines that were used in the oilfields. If you operated one long enough it would talk to and let you know when something was wrong. Doesn't matter if they all looked and built just alike they each had their own characteristics. These things were alive as we are today. It's sad to see them put to rest.
I hope she does. A magnificent brred of locos - remember seeing them during the 60s in Cape Tonw and environs. Quite classic machines that deserve to be preserved.
As a fireman and guard myself, this makes for fascinating viewing. Interesting to see the use of British-style buckeyes, and both Westinghouse air and British-style vacuum brakes. The quality of that coal looks and sounds appalling! The use of a pressure washer to clean the loco seems worth remembering - it's certainly a lot quicker than a turtle-wax rag!
Amazing to see that. Shows how out of touch I have got from the SA steam scene to not know a couple of 19Ds had still been in industrial use so far into the 21st Century. Superb filming.
At least we still a more 19d locomotives around. as an American, these might be my only favorite steam locomotives of Africa, the 19d class are very fine engines, especially when they're clean and shiny!
MikeFromOz I did some basic searching and found these data: 24 Class axle load 11t.10cwt loco weight 56t 11cwt Grate 36sq.ft PSI 200 cyl 24x28 TE 27,600 25NC axle load 18t 10cwt loco weight 117t 9cwt grate 70sq. ft cyl 24x28 TE 45,360 BR Britannia 7MT axle load 20t 5cwt loco weight 95t 5cwt grate 42sq. ft PSI 250 cyl 20x28 TE 32,150 This is a very rough comparison ignoring boiler dimensions but what really stands out is that massive grate and big cylinder swept volumes on the 25s with about 23% more brute starting TE than a Brit. What is so impressive about the 24s is that light axle load. Brits would not have been expected to pull 800 tons but 24s were and did. DBHP is a more meaningful description of power (being a continuous measure of sustained power rather than the instantaneous Tractive Effort value). I did not find DBHP values for these classes but I bet 25NCs had about twice the DBHP of a Britannia yet with an axle load about two tons less. SAR designs were well up to best-in-World standards and given the constraints of gauge, rail weights per yard and grades were frankly World-leading. I hope to see SAR steam working in anger one day!
Thank you for the very interesting and constructive comment Stephen! They are few and far between on TH-cam. The South African Railways has a fantastic presence on Wikipedia mostly due to the hard work of the late Andre Kritzinger. The locomotives in the video are actually class 19D, they were one of the most common locomotive classes on the SAR seeing service throughout the country. As far as my knowledge goes, the class 25s (Condensing and Non Condensing) were the largest non articulated narrow gauge locomotives ever built. I can also highly recommend a documentary called Steam Fever and the Great South African Steam Festival. Here is a short trailer th-cam.com/video/nKv8uzwtQew/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/RmmIQdTzzLg/w-d-xo.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_19D_4-8-2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_25NC_4-8-4 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_24_2-8-4 Regards Wayne
I corrected the weight of 24s ... under 57 tons and yet all that grunt. That was one brilliant designer to get so much from such a modest amount of metal... cast frames too British Railways Standard 4MT 4-6-0s weighed more, had higher axle loads and pulled less!
That's actually incorrect. At the time there were a number of preservation organisatiosn running excursions all over the country. Like Friends of the Rail, Reefsteamers, Umgeni, Creghton and Atlantic Rail. Ceres Rail followed later and they restored the Red Devil that is used for steam specials. None of them are day to day industrial operations though.
Coal coming off a shovel is oddly satisfying. Or perhaps it's the worker's acuity with the shovel? Either way, seeing coal smoothly come off a shovel sends soothing sine waves through my nerves.
austrorus the crab orchard and Egyptian Railroad actually used a Canadian built 2-8-0 for freight trains until 1986 and the engine was purchased in 1979 but was built in 1946
@@WayneSA85 the diesel price only going one way, up that is, and electricity suppose also will be in -short - supply, i wonder if that will bring a comeback, at least on some routes, of steam? Water i think is NOT the main problem. i remember the -condenser -locomotives, should be not to difficult to bring them back once more? schlepping iron ore from Saldhana to wherever they go? i don't think steam per see is gone the way of the DODO. Fore sure NEW modern Locos will have to be constructed.breaking, providing heating and light and electricity for the rest of the train? or have ONE generator wagon, Diesel or Rapeseed oil powered who can do that? Only moaning and complaining everything is, railway bosses are good at that. as long as they sit fat and wellfed in their nice airconed offices...
well once in a blue moon you see it on the union pacific in the usa for special commemorative trips pulling revenue freight, or strausburg in the spring and fall they might pull a few cars for customers to the mainline but they are small engines, a far cry from the 4000 + hp mainline locomotives in the usa before they took all of them out of service by the 1960's, we still got some around for special excursions though and its a good day for steam restoration in the last 3 years in the usa.
Well the SMS lines in New Jersey has a 0-6-0 being restored for freight service as a back up to there aging fleet of diesels so atleast there is gonna still be in one way or another a freight hauling steamer. Just not part of the same era
Yeah, they were phased out over time. This is a private industrial line. It was common for industry to buy up old steam locomotives for use on their own sidings when they became available.
It's a sad year china will stop using steam next year and apparently steam will be dead in South Africa. What are replacing steam with. Diesels that use imported oil. Is that economic?
Hi Tom. Thanks for watching. The wagon is a diesel driven air compressor. The South African Railways Class 19D is only equipt with vacuum brakes while the wagons being hauled are more modern airbraked vehicles. The compressor is controlled from a seperate console fitted in the cab of the locomotive.
Thankyou Wayne, I thought that was the purpose, I didn't realise the Loco wasn't fitted with a compressor, I'm down in New Zealand and have noted our steam enthusiasts have imported two ex South African railways class 26's (think that is the right number) and a Garratt with the view to getting them up and running on our lines as the gauge is the same. The Garratts that NZR built were never a success and were scrapped very quickly.
Yes, I believe they in Auckland now. The garratt is a GMAM and the other a 25NC, the NC meaning non-condensor. Only one 26 class prototype was built. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_26_4-8-4
@@RangaTurk I still find that impressive. Few British locomotives could have matched that even on our Standard Gauge. For Cape Gauge locos to do that regularly is frankly amazing. Hats Off to SAR
@@stephensmith799 To top it off, the GMA Garratts, 15ARs, 24s and 35s don't look like narrow gauge locos from some angles in photos I've seen from below embankment level or from afar.
@@RangaTurk The Garratts are utterly stunning. Generally UK steam loco exporters eg from the North British Atlas Works were more advanced than the British railway in house workshops were. East Africal Railways locos are another fantastic case. Sadly these locos have been ignored in the UK. where enthusiasts seem only interested in LMS GW LNER SR and BR types. EAR had fantastic Garratts
Diesel air compressor. The loco is fitted with older Vacuum brakes, but the rolling stock is otherwise modern, so a compressor is needed for the airbakes on the wagons. The compressor is controlled by the loco.
@@PreservationEnthusiast You don't pay any attention to anything. From some reading, and actually watching the video, one of them is going back England, the other has been purchased by a South African steam group (from what I can find online).
Sucks that steam locomotives had to get replaced by something that really isn't that much better at doing the job steam has already been doing great for so long :(
@@PreservationEnthusiast I'm sorry, but.....steam preservationists and scrappers don't really get along. Mind to at least move to train scrapping videos only? Because these railfans (not me) want you out of these videos and they mean it.....
Actually a car puts out more pollution a steam loco hauling a load is far more pollution friendly then a car and aeroplanes the things that cause the most pollution
Great clip! Enjoyed the write up, and glad your journey was worth it. Bloody shame it had to end. Just saw on the epilogue that no.3 is coming to Darlo....I live about 30 mins away by chance. Doubt we would ever see it steam though. Was it originally a class 19?
Thank you. Correct yes. They actually class 19D. No.1 has been scrapped since the video was made. I understand they struggling to obtain the funds to ship No.3 back to the UK. The locomotive might find refuge at a local preservation society in the meantime.
I hope that works out. I was in PE in 1988 on a ship, and saw several of these locos on shunting duties and local workings. Returned to SA in 1991 for a friends wedding, needless to say also chased a bit of steam! Kimberley to De Aar,(including footplate ride on a 25nc) Randfontein Estates Gold Mine plus a few other sites...happy days. Shame it was culled so mercilessly a few years later.
I would be very interested to know the story behind this - why did Sappi continue to use steam locos for so long? Was it just a simple case of them still being cheaper to operate than diesel?
Thanks for watching Rob. Basically yes. South Africa continued to use steam traction well into the 1980's. One of the few country's to do so which is why we were so popular with steam enthusiasts from around the world. In a nutshell... South Africa had an abundance of low grade coal, cheap labour and more importantly the engineering is simple and easy to maintain. The then SAR also kept vast reserves of steam locomotives even after dieselisation started due to many reasons but the biggest being the oil embargo of the mid 1970's. Steam locomotives use a total loss lubrication system but still consume very little oil compared to their diesel counterparts. The Nationalist government thought it wise to keep them in storage so that if oil sanctions worsened the railways would not be crippled. On the flip side many were sold off to industry. They literally worked everything ranging from shunting duties at power stations, gold mines and even mills like saiccor. Sappi initially purchased a number of class 8 locomotives from the SAR for this task but these were replaced by diesel's some years later. Unfortunately the diesel locomotives proved technically troublesome and were replaced by the class 19D's seen in the video.
Fascinating, thanks for sharing. Wonderful to see working steam on something other than a grainy 1950s film! Sad that it had to come to an end, but I suppose it was inevitable. I grew up in KZN and would have loved to have gone and seen these engines working if I'd known they were there. Anyway, great video and looking forward to watching your others.
+Leif Liltorp I suspect it's a compressor truck for running the Air brakes, as the Loco would only have had vacuum brakes. www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=506599&nseq=19#remarks
+Dillon Allison I can't speak for No2, but No3 has (as it says towards the end of the video) been donated to the North British Locomotive society, who I believe are currently raising the funds to have the engine returned to the United Kingdom www.nbloco.co.uk/
At least one loco in a safe place. There are so many cape gauge loco's returned to the UK to make it worth to regauge one of the preserved railways and have them running there.
at least they have the foresight to realize they are not as common and now save them and rebuild better then them just doing what they used to and cut them up, that would be awful, absolutely dreadful.
My late Father was a Steam Driver and was working for SAICCOR driving their engines from 2005 until he passed away in December 2010. Sad to have seen this ending and the Diesels taking over. I myself is working for Metrorail here in Durban as a Yard Master. Great video and thank you as this brought back very fond memories of my Dad.
Good news guys- from what i have heard one of these 19Ds is going to a museum in Glasgow, the city it was built in. I am not sure of any plans to display it, but at least it is being preserved
WELL THAT IS GOOD NEWS I LOVE STEAM ENGINES
Plan is Darlington.
Wayne, watching this video still brings tears to my eyes....This was one of the best experiences anybody could ever ask for.
th-cam.com/video/e7CQ7YSNc8c/w-d-xo.html
Poor old things - I was surprised to see 19Ds still in use that recently. Even though their bearings rattled, their exhaust still sounded healthy enough. They brought back old memories of the 1970s, thanks for your video.
Reminds me of 1995 in India when all steam locos were scrapped.
I’m sad that there’s gonna retire
What’s gonna happen to them
Nice to see Steam get going look like old days ❤❤
Good to see all the blokes still loved tending their charges right to the end...
Wonderful video and documentation of history. Without people like yourself history would be forgotten, and future generations would never be able to enjoy the wonders of the past.
Thanks for the cool comment Greg.
Thank you so much for posting this! I worked at SAICCOR between 2008 and 2010. Locos were my favorite.
Thanks for watching.
Steam locomotives are like our grand father and grand mother. Never leave our memory .
A real shame. Thank you very much for sharing with use.
Thank you
I was lucky as a kid to ride on trains pulled by steam engines in the late, 1960s and early 1970s before they disappeared forever. They were well maintained - shiny with no rust or faded paint. The stations were also immaculate and trains ran on time. I really admire the guys who keep these old juggernauts going.
Sadly all gone now. Thanks for watching.
Excellent quality video. Thank you for posting. Very enjoyable.
Thank you
It is great that you managed to record this for posterity! Thank you!
Pleasure, thanks for watching.
Farewell - a locomotive sound to be missed forever.
I’m a fireman of the late 60s and early 70s Australia for NSWGR ,the coal your using doesn’t look too good. But all the best have fun.
Yeah, it was pretty terrible. Basically sand with essence of coal. Thanks for watching.
These old locomotives are like old engines that were used in the oilfields. If you operated one long enough it would talk to and let you know when something was wrong. Doesn't matter if they all looked and built just alike they each had their own characteristics. These things were alive as we are today. It's sad to see them put to rest.
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did in 1954. I still get a tear in my eye when I hear an old train in the night.
Great story, great film to illustrate the feelings.
I hope they are all in museums now!
Two scrapped, one in storage.
I hope she does. A magnificent brred of locos - remember seeing them during the 60s in Cape Tonw and environs. Quite classic machines that deserve to be preserved.
Agree. Thanks for watching.
We luv to se our lokomotive running from Mosselbay to Grootbrak sometimes ❤❤❤
As a fireman and guard myself, this makes for fascinating viewing. Interesting to see the use of British-style buckeyes, and both Westinghouse air and British-style vacuum brakes. The quality of that coal looks and sounds appalling! The use of a pressure washer to clean the loco seems worth remembering - it's certainly a lot quicker than a turtle-wax rag!
Yeah, the coal was like black sand. Thanks for watching.
Hi just 2 let u know i am from east london south africa how i miss those trains
Amazing to see that. Shows how out of touch I have got from the SA steam scene to not know a couple of 19Ds had still been in industrial use so far into the 21st Century. Superb filming.
Thanks for watching.
At least we still a more 19d locomotives around.
as an American, these might be my only favorite steam locomotives of Africa, the 19d class are very fine engines, especially when they're clean and shiny!
Agree. Many British engineer's at the time thought so too. Thanks for watching.
Great video! Sure wish we here in the States would've had high quality cameras like this when steam was still in daily svc!
Many of my older counterparts say the same thing. Thanks for watching.
You got great cooperation from all those involved with traction from this MPD They must all have been sad to see steam locos drop off their rosters.
@@StaxRail He just has no respect for history, just let him and his little brain rot alone, attention is what he wants.
MikeFromOz I did some basic searching and found these data:
24 Class
axle load 11t.10cwt
loco weight 56t 11cwt
Grate 36sq.ft
PSI 200
cyl 24x28
TE 27,600
25NC
axle load 18t 10cwt
loco weight 117t 9cwt
grate 70sq. ft
cyl 24x28
TE 45,360
BR Britannia 7MT
axle load 20t 5cwt
loco weight 95t 5cwt
grate 42sq. ft
PSI 250
cyl 20x28
TE 32,150
This is a very rough comparison ignoring boiler dimensions but what really stands out is that massive grate and big cylinder swept volumes on the 25s with about 23% more brute starting TE than a Brit.
What is so impressive about the 24s is that light axle load. Brits would not have been expected to pull 800 tons but 24s were and did.
DBHP is a more meaningful description of power (being a continuous measure of sustained power rather than the instantaneous Tractive Effort value). I did not find DBHP values for these classes but I bet 25NCs had about twice the DBHP of a Britannia yet with an axle load about two tons less.
SAR designs were well up to best-in-World standards and given the constraints of gauge, rail weights per yard and grades were frankly World-leading.
I hope to see SAR steam working in anger one day!
Thank you for the very interesting and constructive comment Stephen! They are few and far between on TH-cam. The South African Railways has a fantastic presence on Wikipedia mostly due to the hard work of the late Andre Kritzinger. The locomotives in the video are actually class 19D, they were one of the most common locomotive classes on the SAR seeing service throughout the country. As far as my knowledge goes, the class 25s (Condensing and Non Condensing) were the largest non articulated narrow gauge locomotives ever built.
I can also highly recommend a documentary called Steam Fever and the Great South African Steam Festival. Here is a short trailer
th-cam.com/video/nKv8uzwtQew/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/RmmIQdTzzLg/w-d-xo.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_19D_4-8-2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_25NC_4-8-4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_24_2-8-4
Regards
Wayne
@@WayneSA85 Yes 19Ds were fantastic too...
I corrected the weight of 24s ... under 57 tons and yet all that grunt. That was one brilliant designer to get so much from such a modest amount of metal... cast frames too
British Railways Standard 4MT 4-6-0s weighed more, had higher axle loads and pulled less!
steam was gone from South Africa after this.... until they restored the Red Devil steam locomotive.
That's actually incorrect. At the time there were a number of preservation organisatiosn running excursions all over the country. Like Friends of the Rail, Reefsteamers, Umgeni, Creghton and Atlantic Rail. Ceres Rail followed later and they restored the Red Devil that is used for steam specials. None of them are day to day industrial operations though.
Coal coming off a shovel is oddly satisfying. Or perhaps it's the worker's acuity with the shovel? Either way, seeing coal smoothly come off a shovel sends soothing sine waves through my nerves.
Agree!
That coal looked pretty rubbish, most of it would have gone straight up the chimney.
nothing but slack absolutely terrible
This country has so many resources and minerals you can only dream of in Europe, it is sad to see what it has become over the last few decades.
Yeah, it was pretty terrible. Like black sand really. Thanks for watching.
Awesome footage mate! Baie dankie for sharing.
Pleasure. Thanks for watching.
I hope these steam engines will be preserved for excursions.
end of another era... suppose it had to come. seeing in what conditions the
austrorus the crab orchard and Egyptian Railroad actually used a Canadian built 2-8-0 for freight trains until 1986 and the engine was purchased in 1979 but was built in 1946
The conditions weren’t all that bad I have seen far worse in photos and videos
They were some of the roughest I'd seen in everyday service. Thanks for watching.
@@WayneSA85 the diesel price only going one way, up that is, and electricity suppose also will be in -short - supply, i wonder if that will bring a comeback, at least on some routes, of steam? Water i think is NOT the main problem. i remember the -condenser -locomotives, should be not to difficult to bring them back once more? schlepping iron ore from Saldhana to wherever they go? i don't think steam per see is gone the way of the DODO. Fore sure NEW modern Locos will have to be constructed.breaking, providing heating and light and electricity for the rest of the train? or have ONE generator wagon, Diesel or Rapeseed oil powered who can do that? Only moaning and complaining everything is, railway bosses are good at that. as long as they sit fat and wellfed in their nice airconed offices...
Predating the final days of a working railway system.
Very nice video.
Certanly thye end of an era, only steam left is for touristic reassons now.
well once in a blue moon you see it on the union pacific in the usa for special commemorative trips pulling revenue freight, or strausburg in the spring and fall they might pull a few cars for customers to the mainline but they are small engines, a far cry from the 4000 + hp mainline locomotives in the usa before they took all of them out of service by the 1960's, we still got some around for special excursions though and its a good day for steam restoration in the last 3 years in the usa.
Well the SMS lines in New Jersey has a 0-6-0 being restored for freight service as a back up to there aging fleet of diesels so atleast there is gonna still be in one way or another a freight hauling steamer. Just not part of the same era
magnificent man made machines. sorry they have to go. great video.
the steam locomotive are transport icon.
Hi i was also a fireman in late 60s an early 70s an i agree with u
Awesome Sydney. Glad you enjoyed it.
Cool video! I thought South Africa last used steam in regular service in the 1980s!
I remember seeing a steamer shunting at Pretoria station in 1994 and I was just visiting from the UK
Yeah, they were phased out over time. This is a private industrial line. It was common for industry to buy up old steam locomotives for use on their own sidings when they became available.
Will they ever run again?
Just like an old friend.
Brilliant. I remember the old days too.
Dis nou hardwerkende stoomtreine vir jou👍
To bad. I had hoped to make a trip there some day to see steam in action.
You guys should make a train museum and put this locomotive in it.
that coal looks dreadful
Out of curiosity, what constitutes good coal?
It shine's and decent size. Not dust or dirt.
A sad thing in a country full of resources and minerals.
Yeah, mostly black sand. Thanks for watching.
Which 19D went to Sandstone, number 2 or 3, and what happened to the third one that stood one side, stripped ?
I'm speaking under correction but I think number Two was saved while One and Three. Got scrapped.
Very fine locomotives...
thank you
Thanks for watching
Please tell me someone over there had the sense to preserve at least 1 as the final truly working steam loco in Africa!
One of them is in storage. The other two got the chop....Thanks for watching.
It was nice knowing you…
Sad state of affairs. Thanks for watching.
If anyone wants to get straight to the action, skip to 11:27!
WHO WILL WIN THE STEAM SURVIVAL CHALLENGE?! SOUTH AFRICA OR CHINA?!
Definitely China.
It's a sad year china will stop using steam next year and apparently steam will be dead in South Africa. What are replacing steam with. Diesels that use imported oil. Is that economic?
These locomotives only service this industrial branchline. The rest of the national network was electrified years ago. Thanks for watching.
Are they pine plantation logs?. Very small. What is their use, please?.
Thanks for watching Kent. They turned into cellulose fiber. The fiber sheets then get sold to other manufacturers.
What is the purpose of the engine (yellow car) that follows the coal car?
It's a compressor unit for air brakes. The locomotive only has vacuum brakes.
Where are these locos now. Hopefully not scrapped but preserved.
Two of them were scrapped. One remains in storage.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the the little diesel motor car attached to the tender??
Hi Tom. Thanks for watching. The wagon is a diesel driven air compressor. The South African Railways Class 19D is only equipt with vacuum brakes while the wagons being hauled are more modern airbraked vehicles. The compressor is controlled from a seperate console fitted in the cab of the locomotive.
Thankyou Wayne, I thought that was the purpose, I didn't realise the Loco wasn't fitted with a compressor, I'm down in New Zealand and have noted our steam enthusiasts have imported two ex South African railways class 26's (think that is the right number) and a Garratt with the view to getting them up and running on our lines as the gauge is the same. The Garratts that NZR built were never a success and were scrapped very quickly.
Yes, I believe they in Auckland now. The garratt is a GMAM and the other a 25NC, the NC meaning non-condensor. Only one 26 class prototype was built. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_26_4-8-4
Any update on these engines since?
Two of them were scrapped. The other is in storage at preservation organisation.
Like the Western Australian V class steam locomotives, deceptively large engines for a narrow gauge railway.
A SAR fireman tells me a 24 class could haul 800 tons at 60-70 kph and keep time!
@@stephensmith799 800 tons from that calibre of loco at that speed would be about right.
@@RangaTurk I still find that impressive. Few British locomotives could have matched that even on our Standard Gauge. For Cape Gauge locos to do that regularly is frankly amazing. Hats Off to SAR
@@stephensmith799 To top it off, the GMA Garratts, 15ARs, 24s and 35s don't look like narrow gauge locos from some angles in photos I've seen from below embankment level or from afar.
@@RangaTurk The Garratts are utterly stunning. Generally UK steam loco exporters eg from the North British Atlas Works were more advanced than the British railway in house workshops were. East Africal Railways locos are another fantastic case. Sadly these locos have been ignored in the UK. where enthusiasts seem only interested in LMS GW LNER SR and BR types. EAR had fantastic Garratts
Super video!
Can some one tell me please what wagon that is behind the loco and I do not mean one's with Timber
Diesel air compressor.
The loco is fitted with older Vacuum brakes, but the rolling stock is otherwise modern, so a compressor is needed for the airbakes on the wagons. The compressor is controlled by the loco.
Superb video! I've been there and seen those locos a long time ago. What happened to them?
midlandcompound1000 i hope they are still in juse somewhere else!
SteamLocoScrapper thats sad to hear :(
@@PreservationEnthusiast i hope you know recycling produces way more Co2 than letting those trains run ;)
@@PreservationEnthusiast You don't pay any attention to anything. From some reading, and actually watching the video, one of them is going back England, the other has been purchased by a South African steam group (from what I can find online).
@@PreservationEnthusiast Believe what you like. If it makes you happy, all the better. I know you're wrong via official releases, but take your pick.
Sucks that steam locomotives had to get replaced by something that really isn't that much better at doing the job steam has already been doing great for so long :(
If diesels weren't "that much better," they wouldn't have abandoned steam for them, would they?
@@PreservationEnthusiast I'm sorry, but.....steam preservationists and scrappers don't really get along.
Mind to at least move to train scrapping videos only?
Because these railfans (not me) want you out of these videos and they mean it.....
@@PreservationEnthusiast But end of the work life for Steam locomotives doesn't mean (for the most part) that they will get scrapped already.
@@PreservationEnthusiast We are both on Earth.
Actually a car puts out more pollution a steam loco hauling a load is far more pollution friendly then a car and aeroplanes the things that cause the most pollution
Stupid really because South Africa still vast reserves of coal and water, now they have to import oil to run diesels, sad to see the end of an era!
Why were they toting the air compressor?
Locomotive only has a vacuum brakes. Thanks for watching.
Exelente video
Thank you.
What is the Black/Yellow car behind the steamer? It's got a little motor for something
Compressor wagon. Thanks for watching.
What’s that thing behind the engine with tractor motor and all the tanks on it? Does it provide extra power for the brakes or something?
Compressor car. Thanks for watching.
Nice video!
Do you know what happend to number 2 considering this video is now 3 maybe 4 years old
I know one of them was scrapped. Three got donated to a preservation group. I'll get back to you.
What year did this happen? What is the car or wagon with a motor right behind the engine for?
Air brakes, think the loco was built for Vacuum brakes.
Pat is correct.
Sweet video
Great clip! Enjoyed the write up, and glad your journey was worth it. Bloody shame it had to end. Just saw on the epilogue that no.3 is coming to Darlo....I live about 30 mins away by chance. Doubt we would ever see it steam though. Was it originally a class 19?
Thank you. Correct yes. They actually class 19D. No.1 has been scrapped since the video was made. I understand they struggling to obtain the funds to ship No.3 back to the UK. The locomotive might find refuge at a local preservation society in the meantime.
I hope that works out. I was in PE in 1988 on a ship, and saw several of these locos on shunting duties and local workings. Returned to SA in 1991 for a friends wedding, needless to say also chased a bit of steam! Kimberley to De Aar,(including footplate ride on a 25nc) Randfontein Estates Gold Mine plus a few other sites...happy days. Shame it was culled so mercilessly a few years later.
You steam enthusiasts should band together and form a society to save whatever operating steam locomotives are left in Africa
At least northern African steam engines are doing a lot better
They both look a bit tired , were they scrapped?
Very tired actually. Two were scrapped the other is in storage. Thanks for watching.
I would be very interested to know the story behind this - why did Sappi continue to use steam locos for so long? Was it just a simple case of them still being cheaper to operate than diesel?
Thanks for watching Rob. Basically yes. South Africa continued to use steam traction well into the 1980's. One of the few country's to do so which is why we were so popular with steam enthusiasts from around the world. In a nutshell... South Africa had an abundance of low grade coal, cheap labour and more importantly the engineering is simple and easy to maintain. The then SAR also kept vast reserves of steam locomotives even after dieselisation started due to many reasons but the biggest being the oil embargo of the mid 1970's. Steam locomotives use a total loss lubrication system but still consume very little oil compared to their diesel counterparts. The Nationalist government thought it wise to keep them in storage so that if oil sanctions worsened the railways would not be crippled. On the flip side many were sold off to industry. They literally worked everything ranging from shunting duties at power stations, gold mines and even mills like saiccor. Sappi initially purchased a number of class 8 locomotives from the SAR for this task but these were replaced by diesel's some years later. Unfortunately the diesel locomotives proved technically troublesome and were replaced by the class 19D's seen in the video.
Fascinating, thanks for sharing. Wonderful to see working steam on something other than a grainy 1950s film! Sad that it had to come to an end, but I suppose it was inevitable. I grew up in KZN and would have loved to have gone and seen these engines working if I'd known they were there. Anyway, great video and looking forward to watching your others.
Rob G Yeah, great pity but their time had come unfortunately.
What happened to these beauty's? Scrapped?
Two have been scrapped the other is in storage with a preservation organisation. Thanks for watching.
Where has the steam loco ended up ?
@@PreservationEnthusiast they're probably stored.
@@PreservationEnthusiast -_-
i'm just gonna set my distance away from you.
i've got no other choice.
@@PreservationEnthusiast "accurate information" my ass. Only one was scrapped (beyond repair) the other is preserved.
I believe one and three were scrapped. Two has been set aside for preservation. Thanks for watching.
13:02 ...never seen anyone use the johnson bar quite like that lol
Nice to hear them called Johnson bars!
Ty
Dave's seen.
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What is the crazy trailer behinfd the loco????
+Leif Liltorp I suspect it's a compressor truck for running the Air brakes, as the Loco would only have had vacuum brakes.
www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=506599&nseq=19#remarks
+Leif Liltorp Correct, it's a compressor. The stand to operate it can just be seen at the bottom of the frame at 9:00.
+Wayne Nauschutz Thank you Wayne and Peter,Never seen something like this before..Regards.
Interesting that was considered easier than fitting the locomotive with a steam compressor.
The Diesels may be ex QR Australia
South African 37class. They were manufactured new in SA under licence from EMD. Thanks for watching.
Locomotiva vapor esta ta com potência ainda
there's still steam in south africa
Yes, preserved steam not day to day working steam.
oh
What has happened to these loco's since?
+Dillon Allison I can't speak for No2, but No3 has (as it says towards the end of the video) been donated to the North British Locomotive society, who I believe are currently raising the funds to have the engine returned to the United Kingdom
www.nbloco.co.uk/
+Peter Scott where she will be loved
At least one loco in a safe place.
There are so many cape gauge loco's returned to the UK to make it worth to regauge one of the preserved railways and have them running there.
at least they have the foresight to realize they are not as common and now save them and rebuild better then them just doing what they used to and cut them up, that would be awful, absolutely dreadful.
Dillon Allison think the SAR locos are to big for British loading gauge, something like a 15F towers over a 9F.. We have SAR Garrats at the WHR though
sabotage the diesel locomotives.
@@PreservationEnthusiast your such a troll.
Now a blocked troll. Thanks for watching.
Jesus christ being the guys who have to paint that engine black in that scorching heat must be exhausting.
Die man wat die wiele wit geverf het ? Verf opgeraak?
Dalk...
Malarum ninaivugal
What's the track gauge?
Cape gauge. 3'6". Thanks for watching.
03/04/2021
Popeye
I'm like
What a shame
They continued steam like in China
Steam has continued here as well but only preservation societies. SAPPi was the last actual industrial steam in SA.
On
@@WayneSA85 pak
Was the flat car with the motor on it used for air brakes? Why not install a steam powered air pump on the side of the locomotive. Very odd
Dusten Barefoot believe there was one, but it broke,
If I may ask, what happened to these locomotives? hope they didn't get scrapped
Sadly two of them were scrapped. The other survives in storage.