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Love the channel but idk where you got your info for this one...the Indian military has said on multiple occasions that both their ground based and fighter jet radar could see the J-20...so easily they questioned even if it was stealth at all. The Chinese know this too which is why they're trying to buy more of Russia's jets.
The US has another problem, which is that various land based missiles can actually hit their bases/radar stations, so it might not be attacked with airplanes.
@Juan Carrero That's something wrong with democrazy. Anyone can be the captain to navigate the ship, actor, comedian, cook or a con man or even the boxer. That's how this world is fuked nowadays not to mention of US came close of launching a War with China last year.
My fav TH-cam channel I wish your channel would become the new history channel or a show on it along with matsimus, redeffect, binkov, mustard, sandbox, pilotphotog, growling sidewinder, longshot, front cost, c. W. Lemoin and millennium 7
The J20 is really made for long range anti air strikes against US assets like tankers, airborne radar command and control, and bombers. The urgent need for US point defence systems for their eastern Asia bases is a very interesting topic. I still think anchoring 4 of the soon to be decommissioned Ticonderoga class cruisers at Okinawa would be a great stop gap measure. 120 VLS tubes, with 4 ESSM missiles per tube, for 4 ships is almost 2000 missiles. That would be a hard nut for China to crack.
PAC2 is packed with issues (since it's a very old bird) it doesn't detect the target it's using the Radar echoes to home in for the kill in the final stage of the flight (it's called TVM), the PAC2 is guided to the target by commands from the radar, the PAC3 is an active missile and it detects the target. The video under estimates the Patriot Radar, it's probably going to be the one that will detect the J-20 first. In any case offense is the best defense!
@@yaronk1069 "detect the J-20"? If war starts, then J-20 would be hidden behind a wall of drones, good luck detecting a stealth target when hundreds if not thousands of drones buzzing around. Warfare is going through a revolution as we speak, so tactics will be lagging, just like what happened during WW1, when machine guns proliferated, but the tactics didn't change. So the side (attack or defense) with the disruptive weapon, always wins. in the case of WW1, defense won. but with the advent of drones, offense seems to be getting the upper hand.
China is thinking of the same thing. Putting missiles near US cities so that they can threaten them equally. Or better yet, threaten to arm every single anti-American organization with stockpiles of biochemical weapons that the US has shown no ability to contain. Even something as weak as COVID can be mismanaged with almost 1 million US deaths as a result of poor administration, corruption and corporate greed.
Since India China border conflict doesn't seems to end soon.....can we get a video on what India got against China if a war broke out. I mean weapons, tactics, strategic advantages, strength and weaknesses of both armies, support from allies etc. Hope you'll notice the comment.
It will be a slow attrition mountainous warfare. Heavy assets like planes struggle to fly over them and are easily shot down if they try, helicopters can't fly over them. Tanks can go over them but will easily be ambushed from the terrain. Leaving artillery and infantry to do the majority of the work. An isolated conflict between the two great powers wouldn't amount to much. A full scale world war where the chinese attack bangladesh and push through burma to attack eastern India whilst pakistan attacks them in the west would be a more likely scenario of an upcoming war. Would still like to see cabal talk about it though.
@@defencebangladesh4068 they are ingratiating themselves with Bangladesh for this exact purpose. Same reason they've been helping build infrastructure in Africa just one country over from (and usually JUST over the border from) US and UN bases. I mean, just look at Djibouti. Used to be a strategic asset for US special operations until China agreed to build them actual roads outside the capital. Now one of China's biggest international bases is in Djibouti, which is in a perfect position to stage attacks on assets all over that coast. If you think it's not the same story in Bangladesh, posturing and readying against an Indian attack or invading India, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe nihao?
@@Cavemanner Don't compare us with other nations . It's not only China, Japan, South Korea, Many European Countries are also invested in our economy. The debts is about 22% of our economy. And Bangladesh has never failed to repay her debts. We are not Pakistan or Sri Lanka.
Think the Chinese would be better off launching cruise and conventional ballistic missiles in tandem with decoys on that particular airbase. I think a better comparison would be the j20 versus Ageis naval system, which would be a more likely scenario.
@@Aaron-wq3jz doesn't even matter with the thermobaric warhead sizes these days. Even if it's not a nuke it may as well have been with the amount of destruction it causes.
@@hughmungus2760 But J20 is designed to penetrate air defense frontline to attack the adversaries' value assets like tank or warning plane. So a comparion betwee j20 and Aegis is totally legit
A few observations no one will actually read from a former Patriot ADAFCO and current intel analyst focused mainly on the PLA: 1) The main role of Patriot on Kadena (and everywhere, really) is missile defense. In any shooting war, there will be huge numbers of fixed-wing aircraft and surface combatants in the region, both of whom take a higher priority for fixed-wing targets. Patriots are best conserved for what will likely be an absolutely massive barrage of MRBMs. 2) The main role of the J-20 in current PLAAF architecture is as a long-range interceptor and local air superiority aircraft, not a strike fighter. A saturation attack like what you describe is going to likely consist of a mix of H-6s, Su-27 knockoffs, and JH-7s, leaving the J-20s to try and contest critical airspace and/or hunt high-value strike aircraft or other high-value aerial targets. 3) Patriot (and every other modern heavy SAM system) has no trouble engaging the Kh-31P, or really, any non-LO anti-radiation munition. Same for any glide bomb munition. Their primary utility nowadays is depleting enemy interceptors -- which is a very useful thing, to be fair. 4) Any LO aircraft carrying stores externally is no longer LO. The incredible investment in a 5G strike aircraft makes no sense if you’re just going to strap a couple of telephone-pole sized missiles on the wings and then send it into the teeth of enemy IADS. 5) To #4, any ostensibly LO aircraft carrying an external load is going to be detectable by Patriot (and every other modern search radar on the planet) at or close to their max range. 6) SAM operators - especially US or US allies operating Patriot - are not “blind” when their organic radar is not active. They can receive track data from a variety of sources - mainly Link-16, and can even engage datalink targets (called “low-bright” targets in the Patriot world) under certain circumstances. That said, obviously, you want your radar active if possible. 7) The US has invested a stupendous amount of money in its land-based missile systems - over $20 billion in FY21. Much of this went to THAAD and Patriot, for both modernization and procurement. Granted, much of this is focused on missile and long-range air defense (as it should be), but the Army’s eyes are finally open as to the huge gap in short-range, low-altitude systems. They’re kind of outside the scope of this discussion though. 8) Patriot in particular is very much a Ship of Theseus weapon system. There are literally no common components left between Patriot that fought in the Gulf War and modern Patriot. It is also probably important to note it is about to get its biggest upgrade ever - a new radar (or really, set of radars) that FINALLY offers 360 degree coverage as well as an actively-scanned main array.
If it isnt yet or of there is any clear advantage to it Patriot should have two sets of Radar like the S-400, one low frequency and one at higher frequency. Its missiles seriously needs upgrading to PAAC-4 to be on par with the S-400 in terms of range and interceptor speed. Should also have a cheaper short range missile battery like the Iron Dome to help handle saturation attacks.
Yes, it's a hypothetical scenario, but J-20 isn't for SEAD operations, they are long range air superiority, used to engage air targets, anti-ground role is only secondary, SEAD operations for Chinese air force would be done by J-16D and SEAD drones.
The main purpose of the J-20 is to take out US AWACS and Air to Air refueling tankers from a long distance its not meant for air superiority as it would not be viable for that objective
@@awildpanther2031 Your assertions are according to News articles and not that qualified military analysts, J-20 is as much a air superiority fighter as any, it has 6 body mounted EODAS, that enables it to fire the PL-10 high off-boresight, with LOAL capability, There is no reason to claim J-20 isn't an air superiority fighter. And yes it can also be used to take out AWACS and tankers. but that can be done by any stealthy air superiority fighter. So why are the 2 roles mutually exclusive?
@@obsidianstatue It’s main purpose is to take out long range support aircraft its not meant to be used for Air superiority as they have a limited number of them and the J-20 is the only aircraft they have that can do that role while they have J-10s J-11s and J-16s for Air superiority also the J-20 has limited pylons due to it having to carry them internally for stealth and its engines are lack luster at best plus limited maneuverability and its got limited data link and info sharing systems with other friendly aircraft due to its emphasis on stealth and in the end of the day its a jet built by stealing F-22 and F-35 data as 95% of Chinas military is either Soviet/Russian equipment or stolen designs.
@@awildpanther2031 again, an odd reasoning, J-20 is being built as we speak, the numbers will grow why does the number of fighters determine its role? so you're saying F-22 isn't an air superiority fighter because of the low numbers? and F-35 is? So you know exactly how much trust the J-20 has? So you've flown the J-20 and determined its maneuverability is "lack luster"? Even though the canard design is capable of high alpha maneuvers better than any? What makes you think the J-20 has limited data link abilities? when the PLA pilots themselves said the J-20 is a data node in a network-centric system of systems. So F-22 and F-35 are canard delta designs? if not, then in what ways are J-20s related to those American fighters? If you're trying to claim that Chinese scientists do not understand stealth, then that's a laughable and even borderline racist assertion. the concept of stealth isn't hard, it's the engineering, ie making a stealth plane fly, and that cannot be stolen, it has to be done step by step and trial and errors. The erroneous and often overused "China copies" is frankly childish to begin with. Also, do you even understand what Air Superiority means? It means to take control of the air space over the battlefield, it doesn't matter how you achieve it, as long as you can deny your enemy's ability to conduct air operations, by either destroying enemy fighters or destroying their entire networked air assets and force multipliers, as long as certain fighter is capable of that, then you are an air superiority fighter. BTW, do you even know what the capabilities in high off-boresight and LOAL capabilities means for WVR fights? because you don't seem to even understand the implications of it.
It has to be that way considering America is the continent surrounded by two large oceans. Without a strong Navy an invasion could be considered feasible for any hostile forces.
@@singularity-6339 how could an invasion of US mainland ever be feasible. China is unsure about an invasion of Taiwan you think they could ever project power all the way across the Pacific? That's crazy
@@singularity-6339 the Chinese would not even be close to being able to do that. US submarines which are the best in the world would smash an invasion fleet to bits before they got much past Taiwan. In addition the US has over 2000 deployable nuclear weapons. You are living in a fantasy world.
@@singularity-6339 Not possible, in 5-10 years they will still be figuring out Taiwan. Even the US would find it almost if not impossible to invade China. Not to mention Chinas navy is extremely new and not very well trained. I only say that because it takes decades maybe more to really build up a professional hardened core of troops that have worked out all the issues found in modern warfare. Chinas Navy is massive and new but very unproven nor has it been tested. Even the PLAA is still working out the kinks. To say the CCP could pull an invasion off in 5-10 is more of a fantasy at this point.
I like him because he dosnt over boast US abilities. being more realistic. Some other channels i watch they glorify USA's ability and you enver want to do that, it creates a worrying void that can backfire.
@@chaosXP3RT First rule is to never underestimate the opposition. Go watch Defence updates channel if you want that sort of feel - no offence intended.
It's crazy how stealth has advanced since the F-117. With the 117, all of those crazy angles, that was developed using the computing power of that time and it was absolutely revolutionary.
Hello Covert! As always great video!! I have a possible idea for the next video. What if Russia starts a military operation in Europe ( Between Belarus and Poland) and at the same time China starts a military operation against Taiwan. My question is, could the US handle the war on two completely different fronts agains such superpowers like Russia and China. What the outcome might be. I hope you will see this. If you guys like this idea please put some like so Covert can see them
America has REPEATEDLY stated VERY CLEARLY, that they will "HELP, Taiwan to have the ability to DEFEND ITSELF" It's also written in the Taiwan relations act. the US has NEVER said they will defend taiwan themselves. It means they will sell them weapons and possibly provide them with intelligence when war starts. Poland on the other hand is a NATO member, Article 5 of NATO states, attack on one is an attack on all. So it's pretty clear which side the US will get involved with directly.
@@obsidianstatue Regarding Taiwan I said exactly the same thing. But about Poland you don't need to worry. Russia is neither considering to do anything to them nor is it even close to thinking about anything like that. They have almost nothing o do with the situation at the Belarus border.
@@Kayzef2003 Nothing is more of a fantasy than the images that the Chinese government struggles to maintain in the eyes of their much abused but nonetheless compliant and homogenious population.
Another factor for Defense being more important for the US recently is numbers. Russia could never keep up with US numbers conventionally since the end of the cold war. China can, operating more modern 'russian' aircraft than even Russia. Which is quite obvious when you consider their military budget, which they plan to increase even further.
@@frankrenda2519 only armoured fighting vehicles, artillary and little more MBTs . But most of these are actually in storage and not in active service. The us does have way more ships, planes and helicopter. And these would be more important than tanks and artiliray
@@sw-reload9232 why would russians need a large conventional forces? Read their nuclear posture. "If russia lose any conventional war that threaten the existence of russia, launch the nukes."
@@sw-reload9232 russia has way more helicopters go and check and has 24000 mbts to the usa 3800 and the usa is only slightly in front when it comes to fighters.only has a bigger navy also russia has more modern subs and ballistic missiles and hypersonic weapons.
man they did not age well, that patriot system turned out to be a beast. None of us thought it was, and didn’t give it credit, for it was getting constant upgrades, that none of us paid attention to because it didn’t sound sexy.
You should do a video on Turkish drones, and their effectiveness in Libya and Syria. Specifically, the SAA's march offensive in 2020 that was almost exclusively defeated by Turkish drones. And a little later then that Turkish drones role in defeating Colonel Hafter's offensive on Tripoli, Libya.
Recent images show two more patriot sites location: in Futenma MCAS and another one in Kadena AB close to the one shown, however the total number always seems to be six. In my opinion MRBM would be use instead of J-20 but who knows.
using a J20 for SEAD would be highly inefficient and put very expensive planes at great risk. Having external weapons on a stealth fighter pretty much defeats the purposes of stealth.
There is certainly a place to discuss Patriot v. Whatever, but in this case it’s almost criminal to discuss one facet of air defense and ignore the branch of the military which has had a vested interest in missile technology - the navy. How’s the SM-2IIIC compare? A discussion like this is overly constrained and misses out on the nuance of modern air defense. Also, the FAS article on the topic is much more extensive.
It only takes 5-10 mins to scramble a fighter jet. That's plenty of time to intercept a foreign fighter and the J-20 isn't really all that stealthy. I like your channel, I've learned a lot. keep up the good work!!
@@GM-xk1nw Yes, Luneburg lens, all stealth planes have them in peace time, F-22 even had it when it flow over Syria, So did SU-57, its for security reason.
Those who claims that J-20 is "not stealthy" I would ask them to state why do they think it's not stealthy, if they can't even come up with a reasoning, then that means they are pulling things out of their rear ends. From what I can see J-20 is every bit as a stealth fighter as the F-22 or F-35.
I think any attack on Okinawa would be a simultaneous of dongfeng missiles, ballistic submarine launches and airstrikes. Okinawa is the high value target, would cripple the US capabilities and supply routes
Very very unlikely that the J-20 will run into a Patriot SAM. The J-20 is designed as an interceptor to stay in the "fuzzy" range of AWACS in order to destroy high value aircraft logistical assets such as AWACS and aerial refueling tankers. The J-20 doesn't even have an internal gun. It's not designed to tangle with F-22s or F-35s in medium & short range engagements. It's not designed to be a ground attack fighter-bomber either.
Goes to show that Japan ain't a democracy. A democracy is the right to self govern, and the right for self determination. Japan is an occupied state of the US government and has to do what it's told.
I wonder if some Chinese person will try to convince me that J-20 can fly around Patriot and Patriot can't do shit, like some Americans were trying in case of F-35 vs S-400.
@@jpmangen S-400’s in Syria are operated by Russians. They won’t fire on Israeli aircraft. Syria had a dozen Pantsir but they weren’t even manned during attacks and lack the range to shoot down an attacking F-35. Although, one Israeli F-35 was shut down by derelict S-200. Israel covered it up as malfunction, which caused F-35 to crash.
@@thomaszhang3101 There is one above you. - Jason - talk to me in F-35 vs. S-400 videos. If you know this stuff well enough you will be able to show me the error of my ways. And of entire DoD. And stupidity of all the people who use F-35 - after all they could use just one and wipe out whole S-400 system. Yikes - not talking to American trolls here, who don't even understand NCTR and other things.
@@thomaszhang3101 Though this one is from America. If you could judge the power of the country by stupidity of average person. America would be terrifying 🤣😉
For especially precision and accurate targeting of its millitary assets especially the naval fleets getting ship launched zircism but targeting multiple ship targets in one salvo of launch
5:29 -- Off topic I know, but what is that grid-like aberration on the sea floor North of the Southwestern-most Radar Station island? Looks too big to be any type of aquaculture farm.
GQM-163 coyote is not a surface-air (anti-aircraft) missile. It is a surface-surface sea-skimming supersonic missile used as a target en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GQM-163_Coyote.. However, it was really a joint venture between Boeing and russian Zvezda-Strela.
Those canards are what they are. It will never be as stealthy as an F-22 or F-35, but it's competitive. This really isn't the aircraft that would be used to deliver a strike package on an airbase in the beginning of a war, however. The J-20 is really an interceptor at heart, almost a modern MiG-25. Its purpose is to try to pick off unprotected enemy AWACS, tankers and command posts.
They left out AWACs which can spot even stealth aircraft like the Hawkeye D can, IRIS pods on F-15s and F-18 new super hornets and likely F-35s and F-22s.
@@TT-hd3zi It isn't that simple. Even if it is detected it isn't the same as getting a trackable lock for weapons release. It takes powerful computers to do that.
@@impettus I’m aware, but you describe the ability of being able to detect stealth aircraft as being some binary ‘yes it can’ or ‘no it can’t’ which is untrue.
@@TT-hd3zi I don't understand what you're thinking I'm said? I have the feeling you're a bit misinformed but I'm not going to go into any further detail.
@@impettus how am I misinformed? You starting listing a number of aircraft which could detect stealth targets, to which I replied any radar could detect a stealth target given they were close enough.
@covert cabal , You ignore the major factor that in case of attack , long range rocket artillery + cruise missile + aircraft dropping bomb / missile towards taget.. saturation doesnot mean only aircraft should attack. also attack from multiple sides cause engage radar to focus on one area only. other side becomes open for seep in through
You see some people can be foolish,US buys it, study it and upgrade it, but if China does the same thing,it will be like the world is going to sink, that is what the call being smart
@@stevezashe9302 true the hypocrisy like how the Germans and Russia researched stealth tech but every act like USA the kings/inventor of stealth tech lol
Seeing how the US has 67+ AB class destroyers, armed with the sm3 and 6 could cover most of the US coast. Along with the ability of the f35 to track ballistic and by logic cruise missiles and relay target information back, I would say the US has a pretty dang good air defense.
Yes, however the war wont happen on the US coast, how are you going to provide air defense to 40 or so small countries while having to help India and Germany on the ground war at the same time? The US is already revising this low priority on ground defense and with reason, the problem is that it will take a long time for new systems going online.
@@rodrigoflaviosb If you are going to bring in the US defending other countries then ill bring up NATO... Heck if China who has half the aircraft and less then half the ships, they would be spread to thin to attack other nations while trying to attack the US. As stated above "I would say the US has a pretty dang good air defense."
@@ThatCarGuyUS: "Hey guys, you can buy those F-35 that we have but it will cost your entire GDP to put those jets in service, do you wanna buy them?" Third world country: Do you have some cheap defense dude? You know, at least we have something to throw at the chinese jets so they stop being pricks and respect our air space for a change. US:"LoL, you are so poor dude, stop being poor. I have some Patriots." Third world country: "I want something that was actually updated for reals on the last 30 years" US: LoL, no. Your ships suck and you are too poor to buy one with an Aegis system. Third world country: I gonna buy a S-400. US:"I dunno why all those countries buy a S-400, Putin must be blackmailing them."
@@ThatCarGuy the only country that has to worry about a chinese attack is taiwan which the US only has a tiny fraction of it's military ready to respond to.
They don't need to eliminate air defenses entirely. The goal of an attack on said us base wouldn't be the sam sites, but the base itself. If they could buy time where us radar is inactive they could use that time to launch a major attack on that base and wouldn't need stealth aircraft to do so.
@@azmicaseer8584 yes U mor0n lol, the Indians were helping fund the Russia fake stealth su57, but they also tracked it with standard radar from a su27 that's 30 years old. Rip Russia and China lol. Russians getting it's ass handed in Ukraine, China's shitty military dare not sneeze
just send in a swarm of cheap drones controlled by satellite link with a few KG of explosives strapped to them and steer them into the radar, be cheaper than 1 harm and more effective . you could release them from outside the range of the SAM or even from a sub just over the horizon
No it would not as they could be shot down very easily by all sorts of defense systems including triple a and it could be easily jammed. The best use for a swarm of drones could be what china is trying to develop small fast drones to overwhelm a US carrier group but that can be countered as well
I mean just use cruise missiles. The CJ-10 has a range of 1500km. Just start a few hundred like the USA does during big strikes, problem solved. The air defence would quickly be overwhelmed.
@@nukularpictures few hundred cruise missiles is expensive and if you have to use a hundred on each radar you need to take out your going to run out quickly, was trying to come up with a cheaper method you could use without expending all your cruise missiles, the radars are delicate, a 500kg+ warhead and 100million$ is wasteful. china will need as many cruise missiles as they can get to take out bigger targets
I think what China did with the j-20 is make an aircraft which is stealthy enough but cannot compare with an f-35 in a aspect of stealth, shown by the canards. The thing China has done is created an aircraft which is stealthy enough that in a war when there's thousands of sorties going on the US's radars wouldn't be able to sport it.
I think you are right. Strategically we have to realize that the only battle scenario that China really wants to pick a fight on is Taiwan and Taiwan only. If the US doesn't intervene or do it quickly enough then China basically will only focus on taking the island (which is very, very close to China in naval and aviation warfare terms) and then defence of an extended coastline. That's why China has invested heavily in fortifying its coastline against potential US naval and aviation strikes first before going for a bluewater navy. With China's landmass, natural resources and a secure hinterland (on the pretext of a neutral to friendly Russia), it has zero reason to stumble into a pan Pacific War like Japan did back in WWII - even Okinawa would be a stretch if the US only use it as a logistical base to avoid pulling Japan into the war. With this background in mind, J-20's design actually makes a lot of sense.
J-20's canards are aligned with other control surfaces, such as the wings, and the top edge of the air intake, so for all intents and purposes, J-20 has stealthily designed canards. Which means when not moving, it DOES NOT present any new angles of reflection for enemy radars. And when they are moving, from the videos I've seen J-20, the angle is tiny. Which MIGHT only present a momentary blip, milliseconds, nowhere near enough to get a lock on target. People also need to understand, even the F-22 is very much detectable from long range by low frequency early warning radars, so the idea of stealth fighters that can't be seen is very much exaggerated, it's rather that Stealth fighters PREVENTS the enemy to get an effective lock on target. Because the stealthy features are much more effective against higher frequency targeting radars. In that case, no aircraft is really stealthy. And due to the fact that you cannot create or destroy energy, the radar waves, which are a form of energy, cannot simply be "absorbed" by the stealthy aircraft, it has to be redirected. Which means, any stealthy aircraft, are very detectable from certain angles. So canards doesn't really do much in terms of stealth other than having a different set of more detectable angles. Stealth fighter pilots are very aware of these more detectable angles, and will try to point the least observable angle of the fighter towards the possible direction of the enemy
@@obsidianstatue yes definitely I agree, the fact is a war in which these aircraft will be used against eachother is both very unlikely but also going end in destruction of the planet
@@obsidianstatue Rumor has it the J20's canards are actually made from a radar transparent material that similar to what is found on the nose so any incoming radar waves pass straight through.
@@hughmungus2760 Hardly possible, as Canard need to take up lifting force for some part of weight of Airplane while the friction of the air on the canard will also generate much heat which means the material for CANARD need to be strong and solid enough. A radar transparent material, like copper based material, are generally fragile under such condition. Maybe they will use radar absorbing coating on the canard to mitigate the radar signal
This seems to me to be a good overview (though some added details in the comments are also necessary). I just wanted to say here that the statement, "Patriot has not performed well in combat" aged like milk (though most people reading this already know that). It seems the problem that the Saudis had was user-error, not a bad system. It has worked very well in Omani and Ukrainian service.
1:07 THAAD There also aren't enough J20's to pull off a meaningful saturation attack as you describe. Also why risk J20 when you can use hypersonics against static targets? Why would Patriot or THAAD be engaging J20 when there are air platforms that could do that? You attribute the development of domestic systems by allied nations to the failings of Patriot without evidence.
climbing back up to altidue on egress is not good. you will get intercepted by jets with higher amounts of fuel so they can afterburn to catch them, as in the climb with limited fuel reserves would be a slow climb to death. usually they would stay low burn to top speed then come out of burner and maintain whatever speed they could at 90% mil power
The problem with any grund based air defence agist oponents with satilite recon is that you canot prevent strike with only on target defece systems. plus given that okinava is well withing balistic missle range with are harder to intercept i dont see them risking 25 of their most valued aircrafts over a cope of balistic missles. plus how hard would it be to reinforce with patriots with something akin with RAM wich is especally designed to intercept incoming missles at short range? The US must adress their ground based Air defence (wich is kind of strange since they have decent SEA based systems?) wile china has a need for fire and forgent missles smaller than cruise missles.
What’s the point sending J20 with external load out defeats to the whole point of using J20 as its strength is stealth. Might as well use J11 or J15 to carry out these missions
Same reason F-22 and F-35 can take external payloads too Because everyone's trying to make the do-everything plane. One plane to rule them all, then you end up with something like the SU-57 where you can't afford it, or the F-35 where it's just plagued with problems and delays to the point where by the time you start fielding them in good numbers, they're already needing to be replaced
@@SlavGod47 The F-35 was deliberately developed with concurrency in mind. Over a hundred Block II F-35s have been upgraded to Block III. In the past, the USAF would have to put hundreds of relatively recent but outdated aircraft into the Air National Guard and get newer variants as replacement. The first F-15s the USAF had were sent to ANG service and replaced by newer F-15s after just 5 years. A 5 year service life is really short for such an expensive fighter, and this happened to hundreds of them. What you think is a problem is actually the way to solve it. Meanwhile older aircraft actually had that problem, but nobody complains about it because 1) they don't even know about it and 2) aircraft like the F-15 are legendary while the F-35 is a newcomer.
@@SlavGod47 Im pretty confident that china is developing a stealth bomber or fighter bomber designed for such a role instead of putting its dedicated interceptors for this task.
@@charlesleonard7734 The conversation is about J-20s using ARM missiles to take out patriot sites. Also Chinese cruise and ballistic missiles can easily get through the iron dome system as they are not unguided missiles from the 60s that the iron dome shoots down
Lmao another one of those people thinking iron dome is good for anything other than shooting down bottle rockets and glide bombs. Came across a guy last week who thought it was better than aegis at intercepting ICBMs and could destroy terminal phase ICBM glide vehicles travelling at mach 20 😆
Fab bombs are good for the Us acs for air to ground strikes and as well consider repeat strikes for unsuccessful operations of the Russian millitary for certainty in defense purpose missions double or persistent strikes on one defense mission
J20 is not a 5th Generation Aircraft nor it have Stealth capabilities with Carnad Wings the major factor as it gives away it's Stealth. Nor can J20 go Supersonic without using AfterBurners, it still don't have that Engine till to this day and depends and uses Russian engines.
Well, that's assuming J-20 is an actual 5th gen stealth fighter. It LOOKS stealthy-ish from outside, but the canards and ungine exhausts are not particularly stealthy and we know nothing about the internal structures. It's easy to make a cool looking airplane but based on some Indian news (J20 detected by Indian flankers), it's no F-22...
And Indian news are not he truths tellers in the world of press? And btw, All stealth plane are visibel to radars in peace time just like other planes because they are using a Luneburg lens, they are clearly visible on stealth planes, it’s for safety reasons, military and civilian safety. Luneburg lens is a radar reflector, make stealth plane visible. And
@@MrCastodian I am aware of propaganda value of claiming that from Indian side, whether it's true or not. I had no idea there is such a device, but it totally makes sense! Thanks!
J-20's canards are aligned with other control surfaces, such as the wings, and the top edge of the air intake, so for all intents and purposes, J-20 has stealthily designed canards. Which means when not moving, it DOES NOT present any new angles of reflection for enemy radars. And when they are moving, from the videos I've seen J-20, the angle is tiny. Which MIGHT only present a momentary blip, milliseconds, nowhere near enough to get a lock on target. People also need to understand, even the F-22 is very much detectable from long range by low frequency early warning radars, so the idea of stealth fighters that can't be seen is very much exaggerated, it's rather that Stealth fighters PREVENTS the enemy to get an effective lock on target. Because the stealthy features are much more effective against higher frequency targeting radars. In that case, no aircraft is really stealthy. And due to the fact that you cannot create or destroy energy, the radar waves, which are a form of energy, cannot simply be "absorbed" by the stealthy aircraft, it has to be redirected. Which means, any stealthy aircraft, are very detectable from certain angles. So canards doesn't really do much in terms of stealth other than having a different set of more detectable angles. Stealth fighter pilots are very aware of these more detectable angles, and will try to point the least observable angle of the fighter towards the possible direction of the enemy
Okay you're wrong right off the bat like most of these types of channels. The Patriot missile is not the only US ground-based Air defense at all, it is one of the main long range air defenses but you are not mentioning THAAD or NASAMS and/or any Shorad(short range air defense) like the old avenger system and now the new striker shorad for close-in air defense.
The US does not even operate any long range SAM system, as patriot and NASAMS are both very short ranged and THAAD is a ballistic missile defense system that is most likely not designed to deal with aircraft. They have an obvious lack of capability in ground based air defense and should not get complacent.
That sponsorship, I am not sure the ones that show us the side-by-side don't have an agenda themselves. Did you do some research on that before selling it to us?
The scenario presented here will never happen. The J20 is not for attacking air defenses. The J20 is primarily for taking out AWACs, tankers, transports and bombers and secondarily for taking out fighters. Combined with its extremely effective air to air missiles the J20 is a very effective counter to AWACs, Tankers and F35s. It has the reach to safely go after AWACs and Tankers at longer ranges and it has the superior flight performance to take on F35s at closer ranges. The US can only fight them to a draw with F22s and Growlers. Except the US doesn't have enough available F22's to do this job. The aircraft that the Chinese will use for striking air defenses are the H6 and J16D. The H6 is a much better missile truck than the J20 and the J16D can protect the H6 if the H6 needs to carry anti radiation missiles closer to the target. If they cannot locate where the air defense targets beforehand, they will have the H6 ferry anti radiation missiles close to shore while having the J16D lay down protective jamming. If they know where the air defenses are beforehand they will simply have the H6 will ferry land attack cruse missiles (so land attack versions of YJ18) and launch them from far outside the range of the air defenses (i.e. from low altitude 200-300km off shore).
It is strange that when they discuss the f-35 against the s-400, everything is described much more simply and does not require dozens of fighters. Despite the very serious characteristics of the s-400.
The s400 turned Syria into a no fly zone. This is due to two factors, one either it is a very dangerous threat to both gen4 and 5 fighters, and two, that they do not want Russia to get RCS data on gen 5 aircraft from the US and our allies. That said, it is likely a combo of both.
Okinawa is so close, why wouldn’t China launch cruise missiles or short range ballistic missiles instead to hit fixed targets like radar stations and SAM sites. I understand it’s a hypothetical scenario, but this is really taking the J-20 out of its intended use case.
The capability of the defence is to a large part dependent on the E warfare capability of the Chinese fighters. Ask Sweden how the Jas 39 E preformes against the patriot, it should give the USA a hint. Who knows the Jas 39 E might suprice you. If a small nation like Sweden has fighters able to penetrate the patriot system the Chinese probebly can do it.
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Patriot is terrible and J20 might not be that stealthy… interesting match up!!
@@jaredyoung5353 isn't patriot super unreliable and often locked onto friendly fighters? Or was that an older version of the SAM?
The J-20 is not as capable as the F22 or the F35.
Love the channel but idk where you got your info for this one...the Indian military has said on multiple occasions that both their ground based and fighter jet radar could see the J-20...so easily they questioned even if it was stealth at all. The Chinese know this too which is why they're trying to buy more of Russia's jets.
This dude is straight up underviewed, underpayed, and underrated…I wish I could subscribe more than once
He's also undermated
You can. Make another account lol
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Hello, Covert Cabal. 😉🤣
Paterson subscription - a lot less than any of my magazine subscriptions.
The US has another problem, which is that various land based missiles can actually hit their bases/radar stations, so it might not be attacked with airplanes.
@Juan Carrero My heart is with the much abused people of the Philippines. It's about time they caught a break.
@Juan Carrero LMAO Manny is just mouthing off during the elections. He'll sign deals with China and line his pockets.
@Juan Carrero That's something wrong with democrazy. Anyone can be the captain to navigate the ship, actor, comedian, cook or a con man or even the boxer.
That's how this world is fuked nowadays not to mention of US came close of launching a War with China last year.
That is precisely why the US has traditionally focussed it's land-based SAM systems on shooting down ballistic missiles.
Correct. Obviously, Covert Cabal is misleading his subscribers for anti-Chinese propaganda.
My fav TH-cam channel I wish your channel would become the new history channel or a show on it along with matsimus, redeffect, binkov, mustard, sandbox, pilotphotog, growling sidewinder, longshot, front cost, c. W. Lemoin and millennium 7
Matsimus steals at least some of his content and doesn't give credit. Reading word-for-word from Quora posts and stuff like that.
How is this history? It's now
Maybe Discovery Channel can give him a television series on their network?
Would be happy days for sure 😊
The J20 is really made for long range anti air strikes against US assets like tankers, airborne radar command and control, and bombers.
The urgent need for US point defence systems for their eastern Asia bases is a very interesting topic. I still think anchoring 4 of the soon to be decommissioned Ticonderoga class cruisers at Okinawa would be a great stop gap measure. 120 VLS tubes, with 4 ESSM missiles per tube, for 4 ships is almost 2000 missiles. That would be a hard nut for China to crack.
Pac 2 is a mach 5 and 100 miles range weapon plus it can detect j 20 and shoot it down.
PAC2 is packed with issues (since it's a very old bird) it doesn't detect the target it's using the Radar echoes to home in for the kill in the final stage of the flight (it's called TVM), the PAC2 is guided to the target by commands from the radar, the PAC3 is an active missile and it detects the target. The video under estimates the Patriot Radar, it's probably going to be the one that will detect the J-20 first.
In any case offense is the best defense!
@@yaronk1069 "detect the J-20"? If war starts, then J-20 would be hidden behind a wall of drones, good luck detecting a stealth target when hundreds if not thousands of drones buzzing around.
Warfare is going through a revolution as we speak, so tactics will be lagging, just like what happened during WW1, when machine guns proliferated, but the tactics didn't change. So the side (attack or defense) with the disruptive weapon, always wins. in the case of WW1, defense won.
but with the advent of drones, offense seems to be getting the upper hand.
2000 missiles?
3000 drones: "That's cute"
China is thinking of the same thing. Putting missiles near US cities so that they can threaten them equally.
Or better yet, threaten to arm every single anti-American organization with stockpiles of biochemical weapons that the US has shown no ability to contain. Even something as weak as COVID can be mismanaged with almost 1 million US deaths as a result of poor administration, corruption and corporate greed.
Since India China border conflict doesn't seems to end soon.....can we get a video on what India got against China if a war broke out.
I mean weapons, tactics, strategic advantages, strength and weaknesses of both armies, support from allies etc.
Hope you'll notice the comment.
It will be a slow attrition mountainous warfare. Heavy assets like planes struggle to fly over them and are easily shot down if they try, helicopters can't fly over them. Tanks can go over them but will easily be ambushed from the terrain. Leaving artillery and infantry to do the majority of the work. An isolated conflict between the two great powers wouldn't amount to much. A full scale world war where the chinese attack bangladesh and push through burma to attack eastern India whilst pakistan attacks them in the west would be a more likely scenario of an upcoming war. Would still like to see cabal talk about it though.
@@Marth667 China is involved in many megaprojects in Bangladesh . i don't think they would do that.
@@defencebangladesh4068 China is also involved in so many projects in Burma. You never know.
@@defencebangladesh4068 they are ingratiating themselves with Bangladesh for this exact purpose. Same reason they've been helping build infrastructure in Africa just one country over from (and usually JUST over the border from) US and UN bases. I mean, just look at Djibouti. Used to be a strategic asset for US special operations until China agreed to build them actual roads outside the capital. Now one of China's biggest international bases is in Djibouti, which is in a perfect position to stage attacks on assets all over that coast.
If you think it's not the same story in Bangladesh, posturing and readying against an Indian attack or invading India, then I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe nihao?
@@Cavemanner Don't compare us with other nations .
It's not only China,
Japan, South Korea, Many European Countries are also invested in our economy.
The debts is about 22% of our economy.
And Bangladesh has never failed to repay her debts.
We are not Pakistan or Sri Lanka.
Think the Chinese would be better off launching cruise and conventional ballistic missiles in tandem with decoys on that particular airbase. I think a better comparison would be the j20 versus Ageis naval system, which would be a more likely scenario.
Conventional ballistic missles are risky since you can tell if it a nuke or not till it detonates
@@Aaron-wq3jz doesn't even matter with the thermobaric warhead sizes these days. Even if it's not a nuke it may as well have been with the amount of destruction it causes.
J20s aren't designed for anti-ship strike either. They would never be sent against each other.
@@hughmungus2760 But J20 is designed to penetrate air defense frontline to attack the adversaries' value assets like tank or warning plane. So a comparion betwee j20 and Aegis is totally legit
@@donchen4906 Tankers and AWACs are airborne targets, anti-ship and ground strike calls for a totally different strike platform.
A few observations no one will actually read from a former Patriot ADAFCO and current intel analyst focused mainly on the PLA:
1) The main role of Patriot on Kadena (and everywhere, really) is missile defense. In any shooting war, there will be huge numbers of fixed-wing aircraft and surface combatants in the region, both of whom take a higher priority for fixed-wing targets. Patriots are best conserved for what will likely be an absolutely massive barrage of MRBMs.
2) The main role of the J-20 in current PLAAF architecture is as a long-range interceptor and local air superiority aircraft, not a strike fighter. A saturation attack like what you describe is going to likely consist of a mix of H-6s, Su-27 knockoffs, and JH-7s, leaving the J-20s to try and contest critical airspace and/or hunt high-value strike aircraft or other high-value aerial targets.
3) Patriot (and every other modern heavy SAM system) has no trouble engaging the Kh-31P, or really, any non-LO anti-radiation munition. Same for any glide bomb munition. Their primary utility nowadays is depleting enemy interceptors -- which is a very useful thing, to be fair.
4) Any LO aircraft carrying stores externally is no longer LO. The incredible investment in a 5G strike aircraft makes no sense if you’re just going to strap a couple of telephone-pole sized missiles on the wings and then send it into the teeth of enemy IADS.
5) To #4, any ostensibly LO aircraft carrying an external load is going to be detectable by Patriot (and every other modern search radar on the planet) at or close to their max range.
6) SAM operators - especially US or US allies operating Patriot - are not “blind” when their organic radar is not active. They can receive track data from a variety of sources - mainly Link-16, and can even engage datalink targets (called “low-bright” targets in the Patriot world) under certain circumstances. That said, obviously, you want your radar active if possible.
7) The US has invested a stupendous amount of money in its land-based missile systems - over $20 billion in FY21. Much of this went to THAAD and Patriot, for both modernization and procurement. Granted, much of this is focused on missile and long-range air defense (as it should be), but the Army’s eyes are finally open as to the huge gap in short-range, low-altitude systems. They’re kind of outside the scope of this discussion though.
8) Patriot in particular is very much a Ship of Theseus weapon system. There are literally no common components left between Patriot that fought in the Gulf War and modern Patriot. It is also probably important to note it is about to get its biggest upgrade ever - a new radar (or really, set of radars) that FINALLY offers 360 degree coverage as well as an actively-scanned main array.
"intel analyst" what's that like how do you become an intel analyst do you go to college to become one can a computer science major become one?
@@ko-Daegu depends what type of analyst you are.
If it isnt yet or of there is any clear advantage to it Patriot should have two sets of Radar like the S-400, one low frequency and one at higher frequency. Its missiles seriously needs upgrading to PAAC-4 to be on par with the S-400 in terms of range and interceptor speed. Should also have a cheaper short range missile battery like the Iron Dome to help handle saturation attacks.
Just curious bill new version offer capability to shoot 360°? With out guy moving battery?
Can a Patriot system use AWACS for targeting? Or even AEGIS from ships? Thanks!
Yes, it's a hypothetical scenario, but J-20 isn't for SEAD operations, they are long range air superiority, used to engage air targets, anti-ground role is only secondary,
SEAD operations for Chinese air force would be done by J-16D and SEAD drones.
The main purpose of the J-20 is to take out US AWACS and Air to Air refueling tankers from a long distance its not meant for air superiority as it would not be viable for that objective
@@awildpanther2031 Your assertions are according to News articles and not that qualified military analysts,
J-20 is as much a air superiority fighter as any, it has 6 body mounted EODAS, that enables it to fire the PL-10 high off-boresight, with LOAL capability, There is no reason to claim J-20 isn't an air superiority fighter. And yes it can also be used to take out AWACS and tankers. but that can be done by any stealthy air superiority fighter.
So why are the 2 roles mutually exclusive?
@@obsidianstatue It’s main purpose is to take out long range support aircraft its not meant to be used for Air superiority as they have a limited number of them and the J-20 is the only aircraft they have that can do that role while they have J-10s J-11s and J-16s for Air superiority also the J-20 has limited pylons due to it having to carry them internally for stealth and its engines are lack luster at best plus limited maneuverability and its got limited data link and info sharing systems with other friendly aircraft due to its emphasis on stealth and in the end of the day its a jet built by stealing F-22 and F-35 data as 95% of Chinas military is either Soviet/Russian equipment or stolen designs.
@@awildpanther2031 again, an odd reasoning, J-20 is being built as we speak, the numbers will grow why does the number of fighters determine its role? so you're saying F-22 isn't an air superiority fighter because of the low numbers? and F-35 is?
So you know exactly how much trust the J-20 has? So you've flown the J-20 and determined its maneuverability is "lack luster"? Even though the canard design is capable of high alpha maneuvers better than any?
What makes you think the J-20 has limited data link abilities? when the PLA pilots themselves said the J-20 is a data node in a network-centric system of systems.
So F-22 and F-35 are canard delta designs? if not, then in what ways are J-20s related to those American fighters?
If you're trying to claim that Chinese scientists do not understand stealth, then that's a laughable and even borderline racist assertion. the concept of stealth isn't hard, it's the engineering, ie making a stealth plane fly, and that cannot be stolen, it has to be done step by step and trial and errors.
The erroneous and often overused "China copies" is frankly childish to begin with.
Also, do you even understand what Air Superiority means? It means to take control of the air space over the battlefield, it doesn't matter how you achieve it, as long as you can deny your enemy's ability to conduct air operations, by either destroying enemy fighters or destroying their entire networked air assets and force multipliers, as long as certain fighter is capable of that, then you are an air superiority fighter.
BTW, do you even know what the capabilities in high off-boresight and LOAL capabilities means for WVR fights? because you don't seem to even understand the implications of it.
@@obsidianstatue im sure Winnie the poo will see this and raise ur social credit by 3000
US seems to have concentrated on Navy air defence were they have a bunch of layered defence from Phalanx, laser, Sparrow, Sm-2, Sm-6 Sm-3.
It has to be that way considering America is the continent surrounded by two large oceans. Without a strong Navy an invasion could be considered feasible for any hostile forces.
@@singularity-6339 how could an invasion of US mainland ever be feasible. China is unsure about an invasion of Taiwan you think they could ever project power all the way across the Pacific? That's crazy
@@JohnFrumFromAmerica It's not feasible at present but in 5-10 years down the road considering a rapid build up of Chinese Navy at current pace.
@@singularity-6339 the Chinese would not even be close to being able to do that. US submarines which are the best in the world would smash an invasion fleet to bits before they got much past Taiwan. In addition the US has over 2000 deployable nuclear weapons. You are living in a fantasy world.
@@singularity-6339 Not possible, in 5-10 years they will still be figuring out Taiwan. Even the US would find it almost if not impossible to invade China. Not to mention Chinas navy is extremely new and not very well trained. I only say that because it takes decades maybe more to really build up a professional hardened core of troops that have worked out all the issues found in modern warfare. Chinas Navy is massive and new but very unproven nor has it been tested. Even the PLAA is still working out the kinks. To say the CCP could pull an invasion off in 5-10 is more of a fantasy at this point.
I like him because he dosnt over boast US abilities. being more realistic.
Some other channels i watch they glorify USA's ability and you enver want to do that, it creates a worrying void that can backfire.
All I hear about is how great Russian and Chinese militaries are while the US military is trash.
@@chaosXP3RT That is the other extreme, but being generally speaking, being underestimated is a good thing.
@@chaosXP3RT First rule is to never underestimate the opposition. Go watch Defence updates channel if you want that sort of feel - no offence intended.
@@tubietubes9555 lol yeah
@@chaosXP3RT i like how they worship s-400 😂
It's crazy how stealth has advanced since the F-117. With the 117, all of those crazy angles, that was developed using the computing power of that time and it was absolutely revolutionary.
Hello Covert! As always great video!! I have a possible idea for the next video. What if Russia starts a military operation in Europe ( Between Belarus and Poland) and at the same time China starts a military operation against Taiwan. My question is, could the US handle the war on two completely different fronts agains such superpowers like Russia and China. What the outcome might be.
I hope you will see this. If you guys like this idea please put some like so Covert can see them
I was also hoping for a video regarding the situation with Poland and Belarus.
Ask this question to Binkov channel.
America has REPEATEDLY stated VERY CLEARLY, that they will "HELP, Taiwan to have the ability to DEFEND ITSELF" It's also written in the Taiwan relations act. the US has NEVER said they will defend taiwan themselves.
It means they will sell them weapons and possibly provide them with intelligence when war starts.
Poland on the other hand is a NATO member, Article 5 of NATO states, attack on one is an attack on all.
So it's pretty clear which side the US will get involved with directly.
That's a good one. I asked myself the same. Would Putin/Jinping take advantage of the moment if tensions ran hot on the other front?
@@obsidianstatue Regarding Taiwan I said exactly the same thing. But about Poland you don't need to worry. Russia is neither considering to do anything to them nor is it even close to thinking about anything like that. They have almost nothing o do with the situation at the Belarus border.
Great stuff! Love your channel mate so many points so well considered. Kudos!
I know there is still hope when Covert Cabal uploads another video!
Allow me to suggest an alternate scenario. China launches an air assault that is never heard of again, and no one knows why or how.
I am sure Hollywood will come up with the movie.
Probably Alibaba rocket
@@Kayzef2003 Nothing is more of a fantasy than the images that the Chinese government struggles to maintain in the eyes of their much abused but nonetheless compliant and homogenious population.
Another factor for Defense being more important for the US recently is numbers. Russia could never keep up with US numbers conventionally since the end of the cold war. China can, operating more modern 'russian' aircraft than even Russia. Which is quite obvious when you consider their military budget, which they plan to increase even further.
russian army conventional weapons tanks artillary air defence are still many times larger than what the usa has
@@frankrenda2519 only armoured fighting vehicles, artillary and little more MBTs . But most of these are actually in storage and not in active service. The us does have way more ships, planes and helicopter. And these would be more important than tanks and artiliray
@@sw-reload9232 why would russians need a large conventional forces? Read their nuclear posture. "If russia lose any conventional war that threaten the existence of russia, launch the nukes."
@@TheTeKuZa never said they need to but having a large and strong conventional military makes projecting power and influance easier.
@@sw-reload9232 russia has way more helicopters go and check and has 24000 mbts to the usa 3800 and the usa is only slightly in front when it comes to fighters.only has a bigger navy also russia has more modern subs and ballistic missiles and hypersonic weapons.
man they did not age well, that patriot system turned out to be a beast. None of us thought it was, and didn’t give it credit, for it was getting constant upgrades, that none of us paid attention to because it didn’t sound sexy.
You should do a video on Turkish drones, and their effectiveness in Libya and Syria. Specifically, the SAA's march offensive in 2020 that was almost exclusively defeated by Turkish drones. And a little later then that Turkish drones role in defeating Colonel Hafter's offensive on Tripoli, Libya.
Recent images show two more patriot sites location: in Futenma MCAS and another one in Kadena AB close to the one shown, however the total number always seems to be six. In my opinion MRBM would be use instead of J-20 but who knows.
using a J20 for SEAD would be highly inefficient and put very expensive planes at great risk. Having external weapons on a stealth fighter pretty much defeats the purposes of stealth.
The Patriot has been hit or miss since Gulf War 1...mostly miss and pun well intended.
Yeah the Patriot sucked it still sucks and will continue to suck :)
@@rinneganitachi4840 meanwhile the un-combat tested s-300 and s-400 are good, with evidence to back it up?
Yeah well 100 plus intercepts in 7 years is good enough.
There is certainly a place to discuss Patriot v. Whatever, but in this case it’s almost criminal to discuss one facet of air defense and ignore the branch of the military which has had a vested interest in missile technology - the navy. How’s the SM-2IIIC compare?
A discussion like this is overly constrained and misses out on the nuance of modern air defense. Also, the FAS article on the topic is much more extensive.
It only takes 5-10 mins to scramble a fighter jet. That's plenty of time to intercept a foreign fighter and the J-20 isn't really all that stealthy.
I like your channel, I've learned a lot.
keep up the good work!!
One video says the J20 isn't stealth, then one says it is. Didn't India track the J20 with their equipment?
also, stealth fighter use a tool under the plane to make them visible under peace times, just search of images of the f-22 and you might see one.
J20 is only stealth if you believe what China is telling the world 😂
@@leedex No, J-20 are stealth if you believe western aviation experts and military analysts.
@@GM-xk1nw Yes, Luneburg lens, all stealth planes have them in peace time, F-22 even had it when it flow over Syria, So did SU-57, its for security reason.
Those who claims that J-20 is "not stealthy" I would ask them to state why do they think it's not stealthy, if they can't even come up with a reasoning, then that means they are pulling things out of their rear ends.
From what I can see J-20 is every bit as a stealth fighter as the F-22 or F-35.
I think any attack on Okinawa would be a simultaneous of dongfeng missiles, ballistic submarine launches and airstrikes. Okinawa is the high value target, would cripple the US capabilities and supply routes
Middle range rockets will wash the base first
Xi Jinping: " Are we copying the F-22 or the Rafale?"
Chengdu: "Yes"
Learned from the best.
Neither, they actually bought and used Mig 1.44 program
Nice copied joke
Very very unlikely that the J-20 will run into a Patriot SAM. The J-20 is designed as an interceptor to stay in the "fuzzy" range of AWACS in order to destroy high value aircraft logistical assets such as AWACS and aerial refueling tankers. The J-20 doesn't even have an internal gun. It's not designed to tangle with F-22s or F-35s in medium & short range engagements. It's not designed to be a ground attack fighter-bomber either.
Thanks for your work. Congrats on your success
Goes to show that Japan ain't a democracy. A democracy is the right to self govern, and the right for self determination. Japan is an occupied state of the US government and has to do what it's told.
This is the only channel I set the bell and watch the videos immediately
the USN's Standard missiles are being developed for land use and so is ESSM.
I wonder if some Chinese person will try to convince me that J-20 can fly around Patriot and Patriot can't do shit, like some Americans were trying in case of F-35 vs S-400.
Israel constantly gets by the s400 in Syria while even destroyed a Pantsir system.
Oh no doubt there will be. There is that idiot from every nation.
@@jpmangen S-400’s in Syria are operated by Russians. They won’t fire on Israeli aircraft. Syria had a dozen Pantsir but they weren’t even manned during attacks and lack the range to shoot down an attacking F-35. Although, one Israeli F-35 was shut down by derelict S-200. Israel covered it up as malfunction, which caused F-35 to crash.
@@thomaszhang3101 There is one above you. - Jason - talk to me in F-35 vs. S-400 videos. If you know this stuff well enough you will be able to show me the error of my ways. And of entire DoD. And stupidity of all the people who use F-35 - after all they could use just one and wipe out whole S-400 system. Yikes - not talking to American trolls here, who don't even understand NCTR and other things.
@@thomaszhang3101 Though this one is from America. If you could judge the power of the country by stupidity of average person. America would be terrifying 🤣😉
J20 is not a stealth fighter. Whatever stealth technology it employs, it is 35 years behind the US stealth tech.
20% f-22 parts were made in china. In other words, they know.
For especially precision and accurate targeting of its millitary assets especially the naval fleets getting ship launched zircism but targeting multiple ship targets in one salvo of launch
5:29 -- Off topic I know, but what is that grid-like aberration on the sea floor North of the Southwestern-most Radar Station island? Looks too big to be any type of aquaculture farm.
GQM-163 coyote is not a surface-air (anti-aircraft) missile. It is a surface-surface sea-skimming supersonic missile used as a target en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GQM-163_Coyote.. However, it was really a joint venture between Boeing and russian Zvezda-Strela.
Love the videos.
Always a good day when I get a Covert Cabal
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India has declared that the J20 may not be all it is being sold as. They were able to detect and track with standard radar.
India.... yea yea ....
Those canards are what they are. It will never be as stealthy as an F-22 or F-35, but it's competitive. This really isn't the aircraft that would be used to deliver a strike package on an airbase in the beginning of a war, however. The J-20 is really an interceptor at heart, almost a modern MiG-25. Its purpose is to try to pick off unprotected enemy AWACS, tankers and command posts.
Look stealth can be seen or detected but it will be hard to shoot down, and F**k India news100%FAKE
I don’t get why they don’t use SM-2 or newer models for air defense, they already can be vertically launched and have great performance
The problem for the J20 would be that with detection at longer ranges with the low frequency radar, air defense assets would be summoned to the area.
I’m convinced this guy knows more about worldwide capabilities than the Pentagon
I’ve been saying for the longest that patriot defense system is obsolete now
J 20 is a Rafale with extra big configuration with canards lol
They left out AWACs which can spot even stealth aircraft like the Hawkeye D can, IRIS pods on F-15s and F-18 new super hornets and likely F-35s and F-22s.
Any radar/IIR sensor can detect a stealth aircraft, it just depends on the range.
@@TT-hd3zi It isn't that simple. Even if it is detected it isn't the same as getting a trackable lock for weapons release. It takes powerful computers to do that.
@@impettus I’m aware, but you describe the ability of being able to detect stealth aircraft as being some binary ‘yes it can’ or ‘no it can’t’ which is untrue.
@@TT-hd3zi I don't understand what you're thinking I'm said? I have the feeling you're a bit misinformed but I'm not going to go into any further detail.
@@impettus how am I misinformed? You starting listing a number of aircraft which could detect stealth targets, to which I replied any radar could detect a stealth target given they were close enough.
???????????????? The US has been investigating ways to use lasers, railguns, and conventional artillery for air defense since 9/11.
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Here wee gooooooo Covert Cabal lead the waay
Patriot is not 100% effective against saddam's scud missiles which by the way is not stealth. Many scuds landed in saudi arabia.
Patriot will never b able to bring down j20. Slot of improvement is required
Can't wait to see the firework
Finally an actual person who is not a freaking robot reading a dum script thats completely unrelated to the title
"Some failures". yes against missiles not against aircrafts. The Russian made defense systems like S300 couldn't shoot down missiles too.
This comparison doesn't make sense. Why would an interceptor designed for air superiority be used to conduct wild weasel mission against SAM system?
@covert cabal , You ignore the major factor that in case of attack , long range rocket artillery + cruise missile + aircraft dropping bomb / missile towards taget.. saturation doesnot mean only aircraft should attack. also attack from multiple sides cause engage radar to focus on one area only. other side becomes open for seep in through
This was a really dope video, go bills.
Wait usa bought missiles from Russia??? That’s nuts.
On the contrary, it's a smart move. Bought from them and learn from it.
It's the same scenario why the West never sold any advanced weaponry to China.
They do that for a lot of equipment to counter them
Or ask another country to rent them the Russian equipment
Thx guys
You see some people can be foolish,US buys it, study it and upgrade it, but if China does the same thing,it will be like the world is going to sink, that is what the call being smart
@@stevezashe9302 true the hypocrisy like how the Germans and Russia researched stealth tech but every act like USA the kings/inventor of stealth tech lol
Seeing how the US has 67+ AB class destroyers, armed with the sm3 and 6 could cover most of the US coast. Along with the ability of the f35 to track ballistic and by logic cruise missiles and relay target information back, I would say the US has a pretty dang good air defense.
Yes, however the war wont happen on the US coast, how are you going to provide air defense to 40 or so small countries while having to help India and Germany on the ground war at the same time? The US is already revising this low priority on ground defense and with reason, the problem is that it will take a long time for new systems going online.
@@rodrigoflaviosb If you are going to bring in the US defending other countries then ill bring up NATO... Heck if China who has half the aircraft and less then half the ships, they would be spread to thin to attack other nations while trying to attack the US. As stated above "I would say the US has a pretty dang good air defense."
@@ThatCarGuyUS: "Hey guys, you can buy those F-35 that we have but it will cost your entire GDP to put those jets in service, do you wanna buy them?"
Third world country: Do you have some cheap defense dude? You know, at least we have something to throw at the chinese jets so they stop being pricks and respect our air space for a change.
US:"LoL, you are so poor dude, stop being poor. I have some Patriots."
Third world country: "I want something that was actually updated for reals on the last 30 years"
US: LoL, no. Your ships suck and you are too poor to buy one with an Aegis system.
Third world country: I gonna buy a S-400.
US:"I dunno why all those countries buy a S-400, Putin must be blackmailing them."
@@rodrigoflaviosb ah you are just here to troll blocked, I tried
@@ThatCarGuy the only country that has to worry about a chinese attack is taiwan which the US only has a tiny fraction of it's military ready to respond to.
Achieve maximal dedtrictoons of the Us in both strategic and millitary assets
J20 is not equivalent to F22.
They don't need to eliminate air defenses entirely. The goal of an attack on said us base wouldn't be the sam sites, but the base itself. If they could buy time where us radar is inactive they could use that time to launch a major attack on that base and wouldn't need stealth aircraft to do so.
Why use fighters if China can use HGV missiles.
India has stated they have tracked the J20 easily and it didn't appear to be stealthy.
😂😂😂 who india ?
They also tracked the Su 57
@@azmicaseer8584 yes U mor0n lol, the Indians were helping fund the Russia fake stealth su57, but they also tracked it with standard radar from a su27 that's 30 years old. Rip Russia and China lol. Russians getting it's ass handed in Ukraine, China's shitty military dare not sneeze
just send in a swarm of cheap drones controlled by satellite link with a few KG of explosives strapped to them and steer them into the radar, be cheaper than 1 harm and more effective . you could release them from outside the range of the SAM or even from a sub just over the horizon
No it would not as they could be shot down very easily by all sorts of defense systems including triple a and it could be easily jammed. The best use for a swarm of drones could be what china is trying to develop small fast drones to overwhelm a US carrier group but that can be countered as well
@@awildpanther2031 jamming yeah would be the problem, either way if china wants to destroy radars they will just use ballistic missiles.a lot of them.
I mean just use cruise missiles. The CJ-10 has a range of 1500km. Just start a few hundred like the USA does during big strikes, problem solved. The air defence would quickly be overwhelmed.
@@nukularpictures few hundred cruise missiles is expensive and if you have to use a hundred on each radar you need to take out your going to run out quickly, was trying to come up with a cheaper method you could use without expending all your cruise missiles, the radars are delicate, a 500kg+ warhead and 100million$ is wasteful. china will need as many cruise missiles as they can get to take out bigger targets
Autonomous drones can't be jammed. If they're programmed like a swarm of birds, you can't jam them.
Thank you for the credit.
I think what China did with the j-20 is make an aircraft which is stealthy enough but cannot compare with an f-35 in a aspect of stealth, shown by the canards. The thing China has done is created an aircraft which is stealthy enough that in a war when there's thousands of sorties going on the US's radars wouldn't be able to sport it.
I think you are right. Strategically we have to realize that the only battle scenario that China really wants to pick a fight on is Taiwan and Taiwan only. If the US doesn't intervene or do it quickly enough then China basically will only focus on taking the island (which is very, very close to China in naval and aviation warfare terms) and then defence of an extended coastline. That's why China has invested heavily in fortifying its coastline against potential US naval and aviation strikes first before going for a bluewater navy. With China's landmass, natural resources and a secure hinterland (on the pretext of a neutral to friendly Russia), it has zero reason to stumble into a pan Pacific War like Japan did back in WWII - even Okinawa would be a stretch if the US only use it as a logistical base to avoid pulling Japan into the war. With this background in mind, J-20's design actually makes a lot of sense.
J-20's canards are aligned with other control surfaces, such as the wings, and the top edge of the air intake, so for all intents and purposes, J-20 has stealthily designed canards.
Which means when not moving, it DOES NOT present any new angles of reflection for enemy radars.
And when they are moving, from the videos I've seen J-20, the angle is tiny. Which MIGHT only present a momentary blip, milliseconds, nowhere near enough to get a lock on target.
People also need to understand, even the F-22 is very much detectable from long range by low frequency early warning radars, so the idea of stealth fighters that can't be seen is very much exaggerated, it's rather that Stealth fighters PREVENTS the enemy to get an effective lock on target. Because the stealthy features are much more effective against higher frequency targeting radars.
In that case, no aircraft is really stealthy. And due to the fact that you cannot create or destroy energy, the radar waves, which are a form of energy, cannot simply be "absorbed" by the stealthy aircraft, it has to be redirected. Which means, any stealthy aircraft, are very detectable from certain angles. So canards doesn't really do much in terms of stealth other than having a different set of more detectable angles.
Stealth fighter pilots are very aware of these more detectable angles, and will try to point the least observable angle of the fighter towards the possible direction of the enemy
@@obsidianstatue yes definitely I agree, the fact is a war in which these aircraft will be used against eachother is both very unlikely but also going end in destruction of the planet
@@obsidianstatue Rumor has it the J20's canards are actually made from a radar transparent material that similar to what is found on the nose so any incoming radar waves pass straight through.
@@hughmungus2760 Hardly possible, as Canard need to take up lifting force for some part of weight of Airplane while the friction of the air on the canard will also generate much heat which means the material for CANARD need to be strong and solid enough. A radar transparent material, like copper based material, are generally fragile under such condition. Maybe they will use radar absorbing coating on the canard to mitigate the radar signal
This seems to me to be a good overview (though some added details in the comments are also necessary). I just wanted to say here that the statement, "Patriot has not performed well in combat" aged like milk (though most people reading this already know that). It seems the problem that the Saudis had was user-error, not a bad system. It has worked very well in Omani and Ukrainian service.
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THAAD
There also aren't enough J20's to pull off a meaningful saturation attack as you describe. Also why risk J20 when you can use hypersonics against static targets?
Why would Patriot or THAAD be engaging J20 when there are air platforms that could do that?
You attribute the development of domestic systems by allied nations to the failings of Patriot without evidence.
Could you compare Chinese air defenses like the Hq-9 to the Russian ones like the s400? If the Chinese are behind how long before they catch up ?
climbing back up to altidue on egress is not good. you will get intercepted by jets with higher amounts of fuel so they can afterburn to catch them, as in the climb with limited fuel reserves would be a slow climb to death.
usually they would stay low burn to top speed then come out of burner and maintain whatever speed they could at 90% mil power
The problem with any grund based air defence agist oponents with satilite recon is that you canot prevent strike with only on target defece systems. plus given that okinava is well withing balistic missle range with are harder to intercept i dont see them risking 25 of their most valued aircrafts over a cope of balistic missles. plus how hard would it be to reinforce with patriots with something akin with RAM wich is especally designed to intercept incoming missles at short range? The US must adress their ground based Air defence (wich is kind of strange since they have decent SEA based systems?) wile china has a need for fire and forgent missles smaller than cruise missles.
Constantly patrolling drone fighters
Place phalanx/ciws near radar sites ?
What’s the point sending J20 with external load out defeats to the whole point of using J20 as its strength is stealth. Might as well use J11 or J15 to carry out these missions
Same reason F-22 and F-35 can take external payloads too
Because everyone's trying to make the do-everything plane. One plane to rule them all, then you end up with something like the SU-57 where you can't afford it, or the F-35 where it's just plagued with problems and delays to the point where by the time you start fielding them in good numbers, they're already needing to be replaced
@@SlavGod47 The F-35 was deliberately developed with concurrency in mind. Over a hundred Block II F-35s have been upgraded to Block III. In the past, the USAF would have to put hundreds of relatively recent but outdated aircraft into the Air National Guard and get newer variants as replacement. The first F-15s the USAF had were sent to ANG service and replaced by newer F-15s after just 5 years. A 5 year service life is really short for such an expensive fighter, and this happened to hundreds of them.
What you think is a problem is actually the way to solve it. Meanwhile older aircraft actually had that problem, but nobody complains about it because 1) they don't even know about it and 2) aircraft like the F-15 are legendary while the F-35 is a newcomer.
@@SlavGod47 Im pretty confident that china is developing a stealth bomber or fighter bomber designed for such a role instead of putting its dedicated interceptors for this task.
J 20 , are not stealthy than we think
How would you know, just stop speaking nonsense
And this why the US Army are now deploying Iron dome systems.
Iron dome wont help against a ranged ARM attack
@@awildpanther2031 Actually if you use many varieties of missiles you can have protection from the missiles from China.
@@charlesleonard7734 The conversation is about J-20s using ARM missiles to take out patriot sites. Also Chinese cruise and ballistic missiles can easily get through the iron dome system as they are not unguided missiles from the 60s that the iron dome shoots down
@@r2com641 an ARM is not a gliding bomb a gliding bomb is easier to take out then unguided 60s missiles
Lmao another one of those people thinking iron dome is good for anything other than shooting down bottle rockets and glide bombs. Came across a guy last week who thought it was better than aegis at intercepting ICBMs and could destroy terminal phase ICBM glide vehicles travelling at mach 20 😆
How about decoy radars
Fab bombs are good for the Us acs for air to ground strikes and as well consider repeat strikes for unsuccessful operations of the Russian millitary for certainty in defense purpose missions double or persistent strikes on one defense mission
Know that the J-20’s stealth is equal that of an F-117 and the super early variants of a YF-23… we already have better stuff
Or basicslly target the source of Us offensives in singikar strikes
That j20 looks like it has the performance of a tractor
Patriot could not even hit the most primitive Yemen missile & drone, Saudi put the patriot into the garbage bin.
You don't mention ground based Aegis.
J20 is not a 5th Generation Aircraft nor it have Stealth capabilities with Carnad Wings the major factor as it gives away it's Stealth. Nor can J20 go Supersonic without using AfterBurners, it still don't have that Engine till to this day and depends and uses Russian engines.
Patriot systems should be replaced with iron dome batteries or David's sling
But which one wins???? :O
Well, that's assuming J-20 is an actual 5th gen stealth fighter. It LOOKS stealthy-ish from outside, but the canards and ungine exhausts are not particularly stealthy and we know nothing about the internal structures. It's easy to make a cool looking airplane but based on some Indian news (J20 detected by Indian flankers), it's no F-22...
And Indian news are not he truths tellers in the world of press?
And btw, All stealth plane are visibel to radars in peace time just like other planes because they are using a Luneburg lens, they are clearly visible on stealth planes, it’s for safety reasons, military and civilian safety.
Luneburg lens is a radar reflector, make stealth plane visible.
And
@@MrCastodian I am aware of propaganda value of claiming that from Indian side, whether it's true or not.
I had no idea there is such a device, but it totally makes sense! Thanks!
J-20's canards are aligned with other control surfaces, such as the wings, and the top edge of the air intake, so for all intents and purposes, J-20 has stealthily designed canards.
Which means when not moving, it DOES NOT present any new angles of reflection for enemy radars.
And when they are moving, from the videos I've seen J-20, the angle is tiny. Which MIGHT only present a momentary blip, milliseconds, nowhere near enough to get a lock on target.
People also need to understand, even the F-22 is very much detectable from long range by low frequency early warning radars, so the idea of stealth fighters that can't be seen is very much exaggerated, it's rather that Stealth fighters PREVENTS the enemy to get an effective lock on target. Because the stealthy features are much more effective against higher frequency targeting radars.
In that case, no aircraft is really stealthy. And due to the fact that you cannot create or destroy energy, the radar waves, which are a form of energy, cannot simply be "absorbed" by the stealthy aircraft, it has to be redirected. Which means, any stealthy aircraft, are very detectable from certain angles. So canards doesn't really do much in terms of stealth other than having a different set of more detectable angles.
Stealth fighter pilots are very aware of these more detectable angles, and will try to point the least observable angle of the fighter towards the possible direction of the enemy
Indians have never heard of luneberg lens. And as we all know, Indians make all sorts of wild claims wrt their military (and economy as well)
There is no worst news than Indian news
Okay you're wrong right off the bat like most of these types of channels. The Patriot missile is not the only US ground-based Air defense at all, it is one of the main long range air defenses but you are not mentioning THAAD or NASAMS and/or any Shorad(short range air defense) like the old avenger system and now the new striker shorad for close-in air defense.
The US does not even operate any long range SAM system, as patriot and NASAMS are both very short ranged and THAAD is a ballistic missile defense system that is most likely not designed to deal with aircraft. They have an obvious lack of capability in ground based air defense and should not get complacent.
Thankfully for the US at this point the J-20 hardly even ranks as a stealth aircraft, Indian Air Force pilots have tracked it using Su-30's radar.
Woah really?? Where’d you read that?
@@rifroll1117 From the inside of his own ass.
@@rifroll1117 Indian news, but it’s false, have been debunk more times then he can count.
brought to you by the same people who claim the Arjun is superior to the Type99A
Please make a vedio about siper missile
That sponsorship, I am not sure the ones that show us the side-by-side don't have an agenda themselves.
Did you do some research on that before selling it to us?
J20 has been found to be not very stealthy.
no way this guy doesn’t watch grim reapers
The scenario presented here will never happen. The J20 is not for attacking air defenses. The J20 is primarily for taking out AWACs, tankers, transports and bombers and secondarily for taking out fighters. Combined with its extremely effective air to air missiles the J20 is a very effective counter to AWACs, Tankers and F35s. It has the reach to safely go after AWACs and Tankers at longer ranges and it has the superior flight performance to take on F35s at closer ranges. The US can only fight them to a draw with F22s and Growlers. Except the US doesn't have enough available F22's to do this job.
The aircraft that the Chinese will use for striking air defenses are the H6 and J16D. The H6 is a much better missile truck than the J20 and the J16D can protect the H6 if the H6 needs to carry anti radiation missiles closer to the target. If they cannot locate where the air defense targets beforehand, they will have the H6 ferry anti radiation missiles close to shore while having the J16D lay down protective jamming. If they know where the air defenses are beforehand they will simply have the H6 will ferry land attack cruse missiles (so land attack versions of YJ18) and launch them from far outside the range of the air defenses (i.e. from low altitude 200-300km off shore).
It is strange that when they discuss the f-35 against the s-400, everything is described much more simply and does not require dozens of fighters. Despite the very serious characteristics of the s-400.
The s400 turned Syria into a no fly zone. This is due to two factors, one either it is a very dangerous threat to both gen4 and 5 fighters, and two, that they do not want Russia to get RCS data on gen 5 aircraft from the US and our allies.
That said, it is likely a combo of both.
Okinawa is so close, why wouldn’t China launch cruise missiles or short range ballistic missiles instead to hit fixed targets like radar stations and SAM sites. I understand it’s a hypothetical scenario, but this is really taking the J-20 out of its intended use case.
The capability of the defence is to a large part dependent on the E warfare capability of the Chinese fighters. Ask Sweden how the Jas 39 E preformes against the patriot, it should give the USA a hint. Who knows the Jas 39 E might suprice you. If a small nation like Sweden has fighters able to penetrate the patriot system the Chinese probebly can do it.
The USAF and US Army can’t agree and cooperate on air defense. The old Key West agreement on roles and missions is obsolete
Why would China send a J20 to attack a base on Okinawa when they can just send a hypersonic missile?