I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the relation between polling rate and input delay. Polling rate just describes how often your controller reports data per second, so it only affects the theoretical minimum input delay. Polling rate does not guarantee that the data sent is recent. A 1000Hz controller can send data with 1ms delay in between, but each data point could be let's say 40ms old. So the real input delay would be between 40ms and 41ms. There is no way of testing this delay with Xinput test or the simple Gamepadla software. However it is possible with hardware such as the Gamepadla GPDL latency tester, which is able to compare the real moment the button is pressed to the moment the PC receives the signal. Hope this helps.
@@x-isospassraels point is still valid. Polling rate doesnt equal input delay and the difference can be drastic. Even if it isnt in this specific case. For example the large input delay on at least my two KK3s is only occurs wireless. There could be unit to unit differences. On the two connection methods they have vastly different latency but same polling rate. This isnt surprising because xinput test shows the time between the last poll and the recent poll -> not between the button press and the recent poll.
@@x-iso The test is a step up for sure, but my comment is about what input lag and polling rate actually mean. Listen from 13:25 onward and you will see what i meant by the conflating of terms and it is the reason i commented. Not to be a prick, but to help clear up some of the confusion around these terms.
Hey, thanks very much for clearing this up. Even as a controller player, I am contemplating switching to PC, with very low input lag being the prime motivation. I want to get beyond 120fps/Hz, as well as be able to completely disable vsync. Since I'm an Xbox controller user, I wasn't really banking on OCing my controller on PC anyway, but to realise that polling rate is kind of like refresh rate, is useful to know. Thanks again. Also, yeah, I was looking into this controller as a Switch player, too. Doom Eternal on Switch is a lot of fun, despite the high input lag, but those awkward paddles are a hard pass for me - they seem to resemble the original Elite controller's overbearing paddles.
I have ordered 2 KK3 gamepads. Both have a defect: - On one controller the backbutton mechanism broke after 1 day - on the other gamepad the right stick stops working sometimes while pressing down L3. Regarding Input delay: My units both have almost 40ms input delay while connected WIRELESS. XInput test still shows 1000hz with consistent sub 1ms intervals. WIRED the total system delay goes down to about 6ms as you would expect of a 1000hz gamepad. Tested with 1000hz camera and 240hz display. This difference alone shows that polling rate isnt the same as input delay. Spassraels comment is below 100% correct. Its the same with monitors: Higher hz usually give better input delay, but there are more factors such as the time it takes for a pixel to change colour and processing...
I like the follow-up. One example I really like when comparing polling rate vs input delay is to think of mail. If you were to send a letter every day via USPS and via email, they both would have the same polling rate. But the delay of sending the snail mail would be greater than the email. When doing the polling rate test, that first delayed message is not just how slow it takes for the tester to start winding up the sticks. It includes that initial, input delay. Every message after that is indeed 1 ms after the last, but those messages would all be delayed from the initial input to some extent.
Sorry,guys, the reason for this is that first batch of KK3 MAX used the same spring mechanical buttons as KingKong 2 PRO,but later changed to use rubber membrane buttons. Its button description was updated accordingly but not that in time,and still caused confusion. Sorry.
@@GuliKithello can i ask something first of all i actually like the membrane button since mechanical buttons feel. Weird on a controller second of all does that mean the membrane button replacement for the kk2 can be used for kk3 max since i just bought the kk3 max
I had a defective kingkong pro 2 stick, it had drift and it squeaked/creaked and vibrated for a while before the drift started. I contacted their support email, mentioned I was capable of soldering a new stick on since they're identical to replacing any other stick. They replied quickly, and sent me a replacement part for free, they didn't even ask for a purchase date, a picture of the controller, or anything. I had also experienced a weird issue with a joycon stick from them, where it would move from left to right incredibly quickly when viewed in the Switches joystick calibration page. I mentioned it in my correspondence with the customer service person, and they sent me one of these for free, as well. 10/10 customer service in my opinion, I've never had such a simple experience getting parts from a company before. I'll most likely buy this controller as well due to how they handled those issues Reposted from my comment on your last video I was late to lol
Mine arrived today and is fantastic. It improves everything over the KK2 specially the triggers. I don't know if it was a widespread issue but my KK2 had a lot of deadzone in the triggers at the end of travel (like a 15-20%). The triggers on the KK3 are just fucking perfect. Thanks for your reviews, always working your ass off for the community. Cheers.
@I just double checked the amazon listing and I couldn't find anything regarding NFC
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@@LovecraftianGodsKiller I couldn't neither. Not on their official website, but I asked because the website is really ocnvolzuted nd badly designed. Impossible to find a true specc sheet that is not marketing. Seems like they dropped thsi feature, which is kind of sad considering the controller gets heavily markeded to be suitable for switch.
@ Yeah. It is unfortunate. I'm getting this for PC (my steam deck) so it doesn't really bother me. You could always pull out a right joy con or an official switch pro controller and just use that.
The buttons in King Kong 3 Max aren't mechanical switches, they are solenoid rubber hybrid cannister switch buttons. When you open one of those cannister switches, you will see just the rubber plug(which is how it is tactile) inside, without any spring or mechanical interface for actuation beyond just the conductive impact pad. You can still swap in the replacement King Kong 2 Pro switches for actual mechanical buttons that have spring tactile function on the King Kong 3 Max though. I've already done this to my testing unit, and I've had close to 2 weeks with the controller now and reported all my feedback to Gulikit and AKNES to my findings. I hope this helps with further/extra info.
Yeah, I won't buy a controller without a gyroscope. I use it a ton in any game that requires aiming where I'm too used to a controller to switch to mouse and keyboard (like Monster Hunter World and Rise on PC. Sorry, I've played that series with a controller for 20 years, I can't switch now).
In my own opinion, i thjnk your initial review was fine and gave me all the info i wanted or needed. The bigger surprise of this video was having replaceable thumb caps, which i was wondering why theyd have it on the older controller but not the new one. In any case great vid as always, i like your reviews they feel very thorough, but i dont speak for everyone i guess.
I always love your controller reviews. Great job overall. Not sure if you find this comment but I would like to bring up a point that you could possibly bring up in a future video and also test for this in future controllers. One of the problems with the KK3 Max is that you cannot connect it to PC in switch mode using the dongle. You can only connect it in switch mode using Bluetooth. The problem with that is the X-input does not transfer gyro controls. Only switch mode does. Yes, you can use the controllers in-built gyro aiming. But those don’t work as well as gyro aiming in switch mode. That’s because on the PC you can use Steam input to calibrate gyro controls (but only in switch mode). The in-built gulikit gyro controls never work well. And even if you do the in built calibration, it’s too sensitive and you end up drifting a lot. If you move over to switch mode and let steam software do the gyro calibration, all drifting goes away. But in this case you are stuck to using Bluetooth and thus get 125hz delay. Now the 8bitdo Bluetooth pro controller allows for all input modes (X-input, d-input, switch mode etc.) to be paired using their dongle. But only using there beta firmware which they sent to a few people. But you can find it on Reddit. Somehow they never released the beta version officially yet. Anyway, point is that switch mode should not be limited to Bluetooth. I play regular PC games in switch mode simply because steam software then reads the gyro inputs and you can calibrate gyro using steam and not the in-built gulikit controller calibration (which just sucks). With KK3 max if you want decent gyro controls you unfortunately have to rely on 125hz Bluetooth connection. Please start docking points for controllers not allowing all modes to be paired via the dongle. As per me, all controllers should behave like the 8bitdo pro Bluetooth controller which allows any mode via the dongle (albeit via beta firmware), and it works great. Thanks for a great review. And hope you look into this for future controller reviews.
Hey do you know off hand which beta? I've got that controller and one of their beta firmware installed but I guess it's not the one that allows gyro's spent an hour one day trying to get it to work. First I've heard of this other beta and I'd like to search it up.
I've had it since Monday and updated it immediately. No issues so far. I actually like the rear buttons on this much more than the vader or apex controllers by flydigi. I have an apex 3 and while it's crazy comfortable, using 2 paddles on one side really sucks compared to a set up like the one gulikit has here. I also really liked the interchangeable buttons as I play on both pc and switch.
I was using the dual sense edge but after getting the Scuf Envision Pro I have been very happy with that controller. The only thing I wish is that Corsair would let you change how the analog sticks work like how steam input or rewasd works. Also I am not sure if anyone else has this issue but it seems like you can not mapp the trigger buttons to any other button. If you try to do so they just don't work. But otherwise than that I have been pretty happy with it.
I'm late to the party but man great review, this controller has everything I been asking for. I just came from VK channel and its like going from east coast to west coast lol, from technical review to "How it feels" review
Thanks for the follow up video, Captain. Just so you know, I was sure that you (without a doubt) was aware that these buttons acted like membrane... I just just upset that Gulikit is advertising these like they are something special.. when actually they are not... We appreciate everything you do.. your words always and wisdom always helps make my final decision on any controller purchase
Came here to say I love your videos and purchased one of these after researching on my own and seeing your videos on it. The controller and its thumbsticks are amazing while it lasts. Now returning my second unit for a defective paddle button for both units in about a month of gaming combined. It's the button that normally corresponds to the "A" button. My friend also had the same exact problem and his returning his as well. Just wanted to shed some transparency on this to educate other potential buyers. Thanks for the great content gonna give the Vader 3 Pro a try.
Sent mine back too because one of the bumpers was, indeed, $hit. Let's see if I regret buying on Ali :') A lot of pre-travel compared to the other one and it was genuinely awkward to press when holding the controller in a relaxed grip Left trigger was a bit scratchy, which isn't that bad but still.. Not what I expect from the 90€ I paid. I've got the Rainbow 2 Pro now and I'm much happier overall.
After watching you review I picked up the Gamesir t4 Khalid. I LOVE it! Thank you for your super reviews I regularly recommend your channel to others looking for controllers.
Ordered my KK3 max preempting your review via Amazon. Watched review Wednesday. Was excited. Got controller yesterday. My experience yesterday: - this was not plug n play. had a ton of issues connecting via wired, finally got it working after swapping usb ports several times - then took several more tries swapping usb ports to get the wireless dongle working -right thumb stick popped off twice in my first 2 hours playing with it. How? My assumption is the following: was happening when dragging down on stick to aim in WZ with the ps4 KFs attached. Having to grip extra tight to keep that ‘improper’ KF in place may be that add’l pressure needed to get them to pop off. Yes certainly some user error here but I did have the issue. -I find the triggers to be incredibly mushy and take up is awful when the stops/shorter setting is enabled. -the paddle orientation/ergos are not good just like you mentioned. Dare I say unusable for a controller only being used for FPS games. They’re constantly in the way. This is just my experience. In summary I don’t feel like this controller is as plug n play as it could be. And I experienced almost every issue you brought up in this vid. It’s definitely usable and a ‘good’ value but I’ll be returning mine and most likely breaking down and ordering the envision pro. I hate supporting the big brands that refuse to use HE sticks but the other issues on this guy are hard to ignore.
I think there's a problem if you can't distinguish between input lag and polling rate. Polling rate is how often inputs are sent to the computer, but if they are delayed you could still send polls in a 1ms interval but with 10ms delay.
KK2 has mechanical buttons, because its actuated mechanical, has no bending of silicone, spring tension. BUT the new orange ones do have a dome inside, no spring (if the video of the teardown is true on YT tearing it down). that said, i have mine on order and already had an extra pair of KK2 mechanical buttons with my KK2 order so i will just pop them in. it would be a great value if Gulikit will make more kinds with different feel of those buttons imo. I dont believe that it is a bad controller overall, i just so love the feel of the KK2 but am disappointed with the connection lag of the KK2 with the switch and hope the KK3 is better with that. also Gulikit can make things way better if they offer different button combinations and colours, i would love to have white buttons on my black controller but this is not sold separate for switch layout (ABYX), you can do better Gulikit, you made a name now stand by it for the community.
@@NKL_Calcifer I’m busy trying to make (design) them really short like push buttons for 3d printing. Because if 3rd parties would get interested we would have availability for buttons or whatever for the KK2, I don’t think any 3rd party is gonna do it but we will see
Great video! I got my KK3 about 2 weeks ago and luckily haven’t had any issues. Running the latest firmware I did not notice any input delay compared to an OC’d dualsense edge. I am worried about the back buttons being too fragile though after a reddit post showing it broken already due to the design. I also agree with you on the ‘mechanical’ face buttons. They do not feel mechanical at all, literally the same feel as a xbox controller lol. Overall its not bad for 80 bucks, but it has left me a little underwhelmed. Also with all 4 paddles on the controller it is very uncomfortable to hold, idk if i just have weak ass hands but it hurts my pinky fingers to do all the gripping lol. I run it with the small paddles on the bottom and domes on top.
What is interesting too is there are two listings for this controller. One of them is the one you provided in the last video and another has a 4.1 review and decent number of 1 stars on Amazon.
Ok so… even if the pulling rate is 1000 Hz… you NEED to test and compare how the KK3 feels compared to the Dual sense. Cause if you play with a dual sense controller that is overclocked at 1000 Hz with a 1 ms response time. It feels much more responsive. I’m telling you dawg, you really need to test that specifically… because what I said in ur last video was that it FELT like I was playing on 30 fps with the KK3. And when I picked up my dual sense it felt like I jumped up to 240 Hz. It felt way better and way more responsive. I don’t know why, but it’s true. There was someone in my comment from the other day that even agreed with me… He said that you get the same feeling and effect when you put a dual sense at 8000 Hz…
Came here to ask/find this question too. It's cool that it has the 1000Hz polling rate for PC via the dongle or wired connection. But I want to know what the polling/input delay is like for Switch. Can we use the dongle on the Switch? Or does it just connect to the Switch via Bluetooth
Super cool to hear that you are going to be testing gyro in dedicated section going forward. It's one my must have features that make me really love me Vader 3. I also had QC issues with the kk2; i had a sticky B button that i had to sand, a squeaky left trigger after a few months, and very different sounding stick clicks and tensions.
So glad you prefer the V3 pro, it’s in the mail as we speak! Was nearly regretting my choice after I saw your earlier KK3 review! Keep up the good work as always loved the vid ❤
Thanks for elaborating on this topic. I'm one of those with KK2 pro stuck face button issue. Such a bummer Gulikit didn't improve the controller in that regard. Personally I'd stay away from Gulikit.
Yeah, all of these issues drove me away from getting one of these to replace my KK2 Pro, i won't be greedy and stick to my unit that has always just worked fine
I bought a gray one and really liked it so I bought a white one too. I haven't have any problems, plus even if I did I bought them from Amazon and also have 2 year protection plans on them. From reviews it doesn't look like they are mechanical which does suck but man this controller feels really good and in gameplay feels fine. Im very happy with my gray and white one. Also the paddles are labeled on that little box they come in.
Awesome you brought up the Vader 3 Pro. That's my context for how I see other controllers, and really - the KK3 is super close! But when I think of buying it, I then think, why not spend the extra $$$ for that Turtle Beach pad? I'm not trying to collect controllers....but my family thinks I am, lol.
Im shopping for a Xbox style wireless controller for PC with hall effect sticks, mouse clicky buttons, and a decent back layout so when I saw the beginning of the video for this I ordered it immediately off your recommendation. By the end of the video I already felt it was a mistake. This video was enough to get me to cancel the order. I also returned the Turtle beach controller. I dont remember you mentioning that it used the Playstation shape and Xbox stick layout but as soon as I held it I knew it wasnt for me. I want a wireless Razer Wolverine Tournament. Those top 2 buttons inside the triggers are my favorite thing. I just dont want to use a wired controller anymore. Currently use either a Scuf Envision or Dual Sense Edge depending on how many buttons I need.
I absolutely love my stealth ultra. Everything about that controller feel better than my elite 2’s or any of my other controllers. Only complaint I have is the sticks getting scuffed on the rings. I’ve had that happen to a lot of controllers tho. They need some different friction rings or sticks. I believe it’s the rings tho. The controller is soo comfortable and has features no other controller can compete with and the Hall effect sticks feel awesome
I got mine yesterday and it's just incredible, no input lag whatsoever and ridiculously low deadzone setting. Can't see any reasons to buy any other controller for pc if you only play FPS
I've had a few Guilikit controllers now, (also have the Steam Deck upgrade kit) and I've noticed a bit of a pattern for their QC. When the controller is first released there seems to be a fare bit of inconsistencies with their manufacturing tolerances. This leads to issues like the buttons sticking, and the trigger stops not matching on the right and left sides. But as the months go on they usually tend to work these issues out and they become very consistent. This pattern is fairly common for most companies, but these issues are magnified when it's a smaller company like Gulikit, especially when they're trying to keep their controllers cheap. Does this excuse the QC issues and weird/false marketing with their "AI features" and "Mechanical" switches? No, of course not. But it's still a good thing to keep in mind if you get a crap controller and have to return it. Also I've seen this exact same pattern with QC on Retrofighters controllers. I still love my Retrofighter controllers too.
@@Gamingreviews115 yeah they announced it at CeS 2024. It has interchangeable sticks, HE triggers, and for back buttons. Has not been confirmed yet if the analog sticks themselves are HE
i guess im lucky. i didnt get any of the QC issues on my KK3. I do want to point out a thing on the paddles though. not sure if thats a QC issue or not but my black KK3 paddles are way more flush to the body than the ones you showed in your previous video. I didnt have to bend them or anything, they came like that right out of the box.
As seen on VK's video, he took apart the "switches" that are just a rubber dome inside a plastic enclosure with a spring... They are literally just membrane not mechanical in any way vs what you would get in keyboards...
Yeah they are not even buttons, there is nothing inside them besides piece of rubber. Not sure if you are new to a channel or not, but long time ago gamer heaven tore down power a controller and it had fishing weights in them simply to make controller feel more premium, we are approaching a similar territory here
i don't know why youtube is always deleting my comment can you pick up a GPDL latency tester and test controller initial latency (polling rate doesn't tell us anything about latency) in the wireless mode if a controller is wireless (as that's how 90% of people will use a wireless controller) would be great addition to your content
mine work fine, vibration work fine, the button is membrane inside small case, never used the back button can't comment about mine, overall I'm satisfied, price here is about $40
well, it's still a Chinese controller so it's pretty much RNG as to how accurate the description is gonna be and whether you'll end up with a fully functional product. Gulikit and 8BitDo are the only ones who haven't let me down yet though, personally. my KK3 is arriving tomorrow, so we'll see. 🤷♂
How your experience on gulikit KK3 so far dude? I want to buy it cause i really want the APG features and i dont find it anywhere else but Gulikit seems have bad review
@@TheAbdID No issues on arrival for me, I'd say it performs at least as well as the 8BitDo Ultimate Bluetooth. I'm a bit disappointed about the false advertising regarding the "mechanical" face buttons but I think as long as you get one that doesn't have some kind of manufacturing defect it's great value for the money. Probably best to get it through Amazon for their warranty, just in case.
several things in this video aged badly especially the input delay part, this control ha smajjor qc problems digital triggers and back paddles breaking as well. The wireless mode has high initial latency as if it comes out of stand by mode
I love my ultra seriously my favorite controller and I have many. Only issue is my sticks rubbing the friction rings and getting a little scuff but it’s not really that big of a deal or a deal breaker. I believe it’s the friction rings they need different ones. I have lots of older controllers that have done this with no friction rings. The stealth ultra is sooo much better than the elite 2’s. Absolutely loving the feel and options the ultra has.
It’s not shit, I just gave it Xbox controller of the year a few weeks back, although I am going to drop a video tomorrow that may hurt a little bit lol
@@GamerHeavenOfficial man I am so happy you have replied , you are top bloke 👍🏻 I am having some issues to with the connectivity and consistency. Sometimes back buttons don’t work etc
Its not common but there is a membrane feeling mechanical mouse switch. Not seen in any mouse or any gamepad but its called the Huano Silent or the Huano Brown Shell White(or Yellow) Dot. Its similar to the usual mouse switch but instead of a sharp triangular bump click feeling its a half circle bump.
Been overall pretty happy with mine, which I was hoping to replace my Elite 2 with. The lie about the mechanical buttons stings, but I haven't experienced any issues with the buttons like I have on countless Elite 2's that I have been through. One of my triggers is perfect with the trigger stop enabled, but the other has too much play. If they add an option to keep the status LED on so you can tell when the battery gets low then I might end up keeping it.
My razer 8k mouse overloads the input thread of some games if used in 8k mode this might be true for other games that are optimized for default refresh rate of controllers
Just an fyi, some games (like Valorant) have a setting for "Raw Input Buffer" and turning it on fixes the 8k overload issue. But this is a less common setting currently.
Just arrived at my home, I have no issues with QC or lag, I had a issue with firmware update, the controller start vibrate continuosly when a connection is established, I had erase all the bt/wired/dongle profile from PC and restart PC . I can't tell if the FW upgrade is necessary, but pay attention and if it's not mandatory in future I will not update .
4:00 yes, using symbols instead of letters helps mitigate censorship of comments regarding to various subjects including the undesired by the party political ideas, where you use a variety of other letters to point out the actual word. Even different spacing as the algo can be given the symbols variants of the words as well. Any bit of change helps keep up comments that the party might now want to be seen by people.
I was considering this controller but ended up getting the GameSir G7se. I was actually going to buy a Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra but 1( I’ve seen more than just a few bad reviews on it and 2) I just bought a brand new Turtle Beach Stealth Pro headset and I’m extremely disappointed that there is no integration for example being able to control the volume and mute right from the controller. It’s actually really disappointing. With the KK3, it’s also got a bunch of negative reviews on Amazon and I’ve seen more than just a few negative reviews on it on YT. I’m looking to upgrade from my Elite Series 2. Since I really wanna see what all the hype about Hall Effect sticks and overclocking your remote are, I feel like the G7se will be a great controller to hold me over till the Elite Series 3 comes out which I’m sure will have all these new features.
Not sure if this applies to the update but I reinstalled my whole computer… turns out the kk3 was causing all my games to have massive fps drops when using most inputs but specifically the RT or shoot button. Would go from 240 down to 70fps in combat. Accidentally used mouse and key and had no issue then switched back to Xbox elite and had no issues.
Found this video because I was searching for answer about my KK3 Max 's polling rate. For some reason, in wireless it's just 500hz (tested with gamepadla) and can only do 1000hz when wired and the stability is not even at 100%! I already updated the firmware and tried setting the polling rate at 1000hz using hidusbf but it still read as 500hz in gamepadla. Not sure if it's just mine.
[3:28] So it finally released in Australia, and I absolutely love it as my first ever pro controller. Had to reset the board a few times, but that's the only real issue I had but even then, not that much. If anything it's a bit entertaining to me.
I think there's a weird semantics thing going on. The controller was never advertised as using microswitches or mechanical *switches*, the buttons were advertised as being mechanical, which these... also aren't but the original version definitely was. However, one thing does open up with these in that they're modular, and that's what they should have advertised them as. As long as it has the stem for the buttons to fix to, fits inside the box, and has a carbon pad making contact with the PCB, the guts of that button could be whatever you want them to be. Clicky, tactile, or linear, it's kinda whatever you want. I think modders could have a field day with these things.
There's a video of someone disassembling the face buttons and they're not mechanical, they are in fact membrane. They lied. However, I have had the controller for about 2 weeks now and I couldn't be happier with it. I have had no problems whatsoever and it is beyond great for the price, so much so that I am thinking of grabbing a second to have as a spare.
It would have been really cool if the switch was in the buttons and you could swap between mechanical or membrane buttons. I personally don't care what the face buttons are (as long as they do not stick lol)
@@GamerHeavenOfficialYep, but hey in the end I think the pad is an insane value given it's features for the price. In a perfect world I think it would come with swappable thumbsticks, mechanical switch button option, and it's own software to more thoroughly customize the settings/adjustments. It would be awesome if you could change the right stick sensitivity to more granular values between the 50/100/150 presets, etc. Honestly that is probably going to keep me playing on my 8bitdo Ultimate a bit more than this, although I do love the paddles on the kk3.
I think the term mechanical is being confused with something clicky etc. Mechanical can be anything having a separate return device or just made of parts like a spring what is pictured in the images. HOWEVER I have read a lot that what is in the switch is not what is in the images for gen1. It could still be argued the fact it has a plastic plunger and housing containing a dome and contact that it is still mechanical. Either case these were one thing I saw as a detractor to the controller itself. I would prefer a simple membrane sheet that I can replace without solder or whatever attachment these make to the PCB. Truth be those clicky switches in the elite2 are no more mechanical as they are just a metal dome instead of a bit of silicone and carbon, and more prone to failure. I have gone through 4 elite2s in less years because of those switches in the shoulders, dpad and rear paddles. They last anywhere from 1month to 9months.
Still enjoying your channel greatly. I was wondering if you could start just giving a little blurb or shoutout on how the controllers fair on the Steam Deck in the future? Since a lot of the software suites don't work on the Deck I'd like to hear how you'd use them on the Deck.
Oooh looking forward to the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra part 3. It was quite the letdown for me and many other buyers who just experienced loads of hardware issues. Was really shocked at the questionable quality at this price point. Maybe a revision would fix a lot of the issues it has, but I won't buy again. If hitting the Christmas window is more important than quality control, I'm out for good. I'll probably pick up a kk3 max once they ever hit the European market. Not expecting much to be honest; seems like QC'ing controllers has been a lost art for a while now, but at that price point, I'm willing to take a gamble.
I appreciate this follow up video. I actually put a KK3 Max into my cart because of the previous review which came across my feed this morning, but hadn't pulled the trigger yet. I have an 8bitdo Ultimate BT with no current issues (perfect dpad, no connectivity issues), so I don't *need* a new controller, I guess I just wanted one for those extra couple of back buttons, lol, and I didn't need to run out and spend extra cash for something that wasn't going to blow me away. Or let alone that would have a worse dpad, as I play too many platformers and fighting games to not have something that will let me pull off consistent 632146 inputs at minimum.
Whats a good controller alternative? I had this in my cart due to the video from yesterday, but now i dont think ill pull the trigger due to these issues. Whats a good alternative?
Machenike G6 Pro, Machenike G5 Pro V2, Flydigi Vader 3 Pro, Gamesir T4 Cyclone Pro, NYXI Warrior, Flydigi Vader 3 Pro and Flydigi Apex 4. Or if you want a very cheap option which also has some of the features the most recent controller have then go for the 8bitdo Ultimate 2C (also tae into account that this controller does NOT support the Nintendo Switch)
What do you think is the cheapest dualsense worth GOOD hall effect sticks? I need a new controller and I plan to heavily modify it myself, so I don't need it to come with any fancy paddles or anything, but I do want a dualsense with HE as cheap as possible (also wouldn't be opposed to good trigger stops but not necessary)
Clearly say they are using mechanical Buttons not switches, button and switch are different kind of mechanism. They are technically true about their mechanical button.
I hate to say it, the back paddles stick. I've only had it for a week but playing rocket league where you hold one button down for a few seconds at a time has caused the bottom right one to stick already. I'm sure if you put enough pressure on it for about 15 seconds a few time over you'll get the same result. Damn really wanted a good cheaper 4 paddle wireless controller but this isn't it
I have experienced horrible input delay from new controllers when playing on PC including KK3. But then I RESTART my PC after the drivers are automatically installed then it goes away.
Yeah, the analog/digital switch on the triggers is definitely something that should be mentioned. I've bought a lot of controllers, but never had one with that feature before.
My “B” button from traditional xbox layout on the kk3 doesn’t work. The button press registers sometimes and when I press and hold it acts like a “spam” input
Went through two of these controllers, wired gives me ghost inputs, the controller starts pressing buttons randomly, wireless dongle hard fluctuates in polling rate. First time buying this brand and my last. Honestly, would not recommend trusting most of these videos, a lot of videos that say this is the best controller or things like that. I've noticed people having tons of issues with this controller and not enough is being addressed while people are getting paid off with a perfectly fine unit so they can market it for the company.
I just got mine and the vibration seems to only work when I turn the controller on, otherwise it doesn't seem to do anything when I change vibration modes. Help?
iam 100% willing to bet the buttons are just mushy dome with slider modules no keyboard and no controller has ever felt good with those switch types btw fly digi SUPER CLICKY love it vader 3 pro FTW
I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the relation between polling rate and input delay. Polling rate just describes how often your controller reports data per second, so it only affects the theoretical minimum input delay. Polling rate does not guarantee that the data sent is recent. A 1000Hz controller can send data with 1ms delay in between, but each data point could be let's say 40ms old. So the real input delay would be between 40ms and 41ms. There is no way of testing this delay with Xinput test or the simple Gamepadla software. However it is possible with hardware such as the Gamepadla GPDL latency tester, which is able to compare the real moment the button is pressed to the moment the PC receives the signal. Hope this helps.
@@shycreation9418 This is nothing new, I'm just pointing it out since the two get conflated so often, as in this video.
@@x-isospassraels point is still valid. Polling rate doesnt equal input delay and the difference can be drastic. Even if it isnt in this specific case.
For example the large input delay on at least my two KK3s is only occurs wireless. There could be unit to unit differences.
On the two connection methods they have vastly different latency but same polling rate.
This isnt surprising because xinput test shows the time between the last poll and the recent poll -> not between the button press and the recent poll.
@@x-iso The test is a step up for sure, but my comment is about what input lag and polling rate actually mean. Listen from 13:25 onward and you will see what i meant by the conflating of terms and it is the reason i commented. Not to be a prick, but to help clear up some of the confusion around these terms.
Hey, thanks very much for clearing this up. Even as a controller player, I am contemplating switching to PC, with very low input lag being the prime motivation. I want to get beyond 120fps/Hz, as well as be able to completely disable vsync. Since I'm an Xbox controller user, I wasn't really banking on OCing my controller on PC anyway, but to realise that polling rate is kind of like refresh rate, is useful to know. Thanks again.
Also, yeah, I was looking into this controller as a Switch player, too. Doom Eternal on Switch is a lot of fun, despite the high input lag, but those awkward paddles are a hard pass for me - they seem to resemble the original Elite controller's overbearing paddles.
I Hope @Gamer Heaven can start testing that then because it seems this would be a pretty important test.
I have ordered 2 KK3 gamepads. Both have a defect:
- On one controller the backbutton mechanism broke after 1 day
- on the other gamepad the right stick stops working sometimes while pressing down L3.
Regarding Input delay:
My units both have almost 40ms input delay while connected WIRELESS. XInput test still shows 1000hz with consistent sub 1ms intervals.
WIRED the total system delay goes down to about 6ms as you would expect of a 1000hz gamepad. Tested with 1000hz camera and 240hz display.
This difference alone shows that polling rate isnt the same as input delay.
Spassraels comment is below 100% correct.
Its the same with monitors: Higher hz usually give better input delay, but there are more factors such as the time it takes for a pixel to change colour and processing...
I like the follow-up.
One example I really like when comparing polling rate vs input delay is to think of mail. If you were to send a letter every day via USPS and via email, they both would have the same polling rate. But the delay of sending the snail mail would be greater than the email.
When doing the polling rate test, that first delayed message is not just how slow it takes for the tester to start winding up the sticks. It includes that initial, input delay. Every message after that is indeed 1 ms after the last, but those messages would all be delayed from the initial input to some extent.
Great analogy!
VK's channel actually opened the "mechanical switches" and indeed it's just a membrane, not even the spring, just the membrane
link to the video?
Sorry,guys, the reason for this is that first batch of KK3 MAX used the same spring mechanical buttons as KingKong 2 PRO,but later changed to use rubber membrane buttons. Its button description was updated accordingly but not that in time,and still caused confusion. Sorry.
@@GuliKit If it used the same exact buttons as the KingKong 2 then how was it a 2nd generation of the button . . . ?
There are improvements on details on the new rubber membrane buttons. @@baileythesleepless9966
@@GuliKithello can i ask something first of all i actually like the membrane button since mechanical buttons feel. Weird on a controller second of all does that mean the membrane button replacement for the kk2 can be used for kk3 max since i just bought the kk3 max
I had a defective kingkong pro 2 stick, it had drift and it squeaked/creaked and vibrated for a while before the drift started. I contacted their support email, mentioned I was capable of soldering a new stick on since they're identical to replacing any other stick. They replied quickly, and sent me a replacement part for free, they didn't even ask for a purchase date, a picture of the controller, or anything.
I had also experienced a weird issue with a joycon stick from them, where it would move from left to right incredibly quickly when viewed in the Switches joystick calibration page. I mentioned it in my correspondence with the customer service person, and they sent me one of these for free, as well.
10/10 customer service in my opinion, I've never had such a simple experience getting parts from a company before. I'll most likely buy this controller as well due to how they handled those issues
Reposted from my comment on your last video I was late to lol
Mine arrived today and is fantastic. It improves everything over the KK2 specially the triggers. I don't know if it was a widespread issue but my KK2 had a lot of deadzone in the triggers at the end of travel (like a 15-20%). The triggers on the KK3 are just fucking perfect. Thanks for your reviews, always working your ass off for the community. Cheers.
Cheers man
Do you know if it has nfc support for amiibos?
@I just double checked the amazon listing and I couldn't find anything regarding NFC
@@LovecraftianGodsKiller I couldn't neither. Not on their official website, but I asked because the website is really ocnvolzuted nd badly designed. Impossible to find a true specc sheet that is not marketing.
Seems like they dropped thsi feature, which is kind of sad considering the controller gets heavily markeded to be suitable for switch.
@ Yeah. It is unfortunate.
I'm getting this for PC (my steam deck) so it doesn't really bother me.
You could always pull out a right joy con or an official switch pro controller and just use that.
Between this KK3 Max and the Turtle Beach Stealth vid, dude you are cranking out these QC videos like nothing else! Love your work as always 👍
That means a lot to hear my friend, I’ll keep them coming
The buttons in King Kong 3 Max aren't mechanical switches, they are solenoid rubber hybrid cannister switch buttons. When you open one of those cannister switches, you will see just the rubber plug(which is how it is tactile) inside, without any spring or mechanical interface for actuation beyond just the conductive impact pad. You can still swap in the replacement King Kong 2 Pro switches for actual mechanical buttons that have spring tactile function on the King Kong 3 Max though. I've already done this to my testing unit, and I've had close to 2 weeks with the controller now and reported all my feedback to Gulikit and AKNES to my findings. I hope this helps with further/extra info.
20:20 Very glad to hear a new segment for future videos
Nice for gyro enjoyers (myself included)
Yeah, I won't buy a controller without a gyroscope. I use it a ton in any game that requires aiming where I'm too used to a controller to switch to mouse and keyboard (like Monster Hunter World and Rise on PC. Sorry, I've played that series with a controller for 20 years, I can't switch now).
In my own opinion, i thjnk your initial review was fine and gave me all the info i wanted or needed. The bigger surprise of this video was having replaceable thumb caps, which i was wondering why theyd have it on the older controller but not the new one. In any case great vid as always, i like your reviews they feel very thorough, but i dont speak for everyone i guess.
Your voice is so relaxing lol that being said, this is the only review on the kk3 i was looking for. Thanks for all you do sir.
I always love your controller reviews. Great job overall. Not sure if you find this comment but I would like to bring up a point that you could possibly bring up in a future video and also test for this in future controllers. One of the problems with the KK3 Max is that you cannot connect it to PC in switch mode using the dongle. You can only connect it in switch mode using Bluetooth. The problem with that is the X-input does not transfer gyro controls. Only switch mode does. Yes, you can use the controllers in-built gyro aiming. But those don’t work as well as gyro aiming in switch mode. That’s because on the PC you can use Steam input to calibrate gyro controls (but only in switch mode). The in-built gulikit gyro controls never work well. And even if you do the in built calibration, it’s too sensitive and you end up drifting a lot. If you move over to switch mode and let steam software do the gyro calibration, all drifting goes away. But in this case you are stuck to using Bluetooth and thus get 125hz delay.
Now the 8bitdo Bluetooth pro controller allows for all input modes (X-input, d-input, switch mode etc.) to be paired using their dongle. But only using there beta firmware which they sent to a few people. But you can find it on Reddit. Somehow they never released the beta version officially yet.
Anyway, point is that switch mode should not be limited to Bluetooth. I play regular PC games in switch mode simply because steam software then reads the gyro inputs and you can calibrate gyro using steam and not the in-built gulikit controller calibration (which just sucks). With KK3 max if you want decent gyro controls you unfortunately have to rely on 125hz Bluetooth connection.
Please start docking points for controllers not allowing all modes to be paired via the dongle. As per me, all controllers should behave like the 8bitdo pro Bluetooth controller which allows any mode via the dongle (albeit via beta firmware), and it works great.
Thanks for a great review. And hope you look into this for future controller reviews.
Hey do you know off hand which beta? I've got that controller and one of their beta firmware installed but I guess it's not the one that allows gyro's spent an hour one day trying to get it to work. First I've heard of this other beta and I'd like to search it up.
very informative video. appreciate the depth you take and the haste you make these videos. cheers!
I've had it since Monday and updated it immediately. No issues so far. I actually like the rear buttons on this much more than the vader or apex controllers by flydigi. I have an apex 3 and while it's crazy comfortable, using 2 paddles on one side really sucks compared to a set up like the one gulikit has here. I also really liked the interchangeable buttons as I play on both pc and switch.
any update on the controller a month in? looking to buy one
I was using the dual sense edge but after getting the Scuf Envision Pro I have been very happy with that controller. The only thing I wish is that Corsair would let you change how the analog sticks work like how steam input or rewasd works. Also I am not sure if anyone else has this issue but it seems like you can not mapp the trigger buttons to any other button. If you try to do so they just don't work. But otherwise than that I have been pretty happy with it.
Glad to hear that
I'm late to the party but man great review, this controller has everything I been asking for. I just came from VK channel and its like going from east coast to west coast lol, from technical review to "How it feels" review
Did you get it? I think I'm going to avoid it actually.
Nice follow up, sad to see the stuck buttons are still a thing. I sent my KK Pro 2 back twice with stuck buttons. Drove me crazy.
That’s wild
Thanks for the follow up video, Captain. Just so you know, I was sure that you (without a doubt) was aware that these buttons acted like membrane... I just just upset that Gulikit is advertising these like they are something special.. when actually they are not... We appreciate everything you do.. your words always and wisdom always helps make my final decision on any controller purchase
Came here to say I love your videos and purchased one of these after researching on my own and seeing your videos on it. The controller and its thumbsticks are amazing while it lasts. Now returning my second unit for a defective paddle button for both units in about a month of gaming combined. It's the button that normally corresponds to the "A" button. My friend also had the same exact problem and his returning his as well. Just wanted to shed some transparency on this to educate other potential buyers. Thanks for the great content gonna give the Vader 3 Pro a try.
Sent mine back too because one of the bumpers was, indeed, $hit. Let's see if I regret buying on Ali :')
A lot of pre-travel compared to the other one and it was genuinely awkward to press when holding the controller in a relaxed grip
Left trigger was a bit scratchy, which isn't that bad but still.. Not what I expect from the 90€ I paid.
I've got the Rainbow 2 Pro now and I'm much happier overall.
After watching you review I picked up the Gamesir t4 Khalid. I LOVE it! Thank you for your super reviews I regularly recommend your channel to others looking for controllers.
you are still my boy. Gamer Heaven = G.O.A.T of gaming controller reviews
Ordered my KK3 max preempting your review via Amazon. Watched review Wednesday. Was excited. Got controller yesterday. My experience yesterday:
- this was not plug n play. had a ton of issues connecting via wired, finally got it working after swapping usb ports several times
- then took several more tries swapping usb ports to get the wireless dongle working
-right thumb stick popped off twice in my first 2 hours playing with it. How? My assumption is the following: was happening when dragging down on stick to aim in WZ with the ps4 KFs attached. Having to grip extra tight to keep that ‘improper’ KF in place may be that add’l pressure needed to get them to pop off. Yes certainly some user error here but I did have the issue.
-I find the triggers to be incredibly mushy and take up is awful when the stops/shorter setting is enabled.
-the paddle orientation/ergos are not good just like you mentioned. Dare I say unusable for a controller only being used for FPS games. They’re constantly in the way.
This is just my experience. In summary I don’t feel like this controller is as plug n play as it could be. And I experienced almost every issue you brought up in this vid. It’s definitely usable and a ‘good’ value but I’ll be returning mine and most likely breaking down and ordering the envision pro. I hate supporting the big brands that refuse to use HE sticks but the other issues on this guy are hard to ignore.
I’m glad you addressed this.
I think there's a problem if you can't distinguish between input lag and polling rate. Polling rate is how often inputs are sent to the computer, but if they are delayed you could still send polls in a 1ms interval but with 10ms delay.
KK2 has mechanical buttons, because its actuated mechanical, has no bending of silicone, spring tension. BUT the new orange ones do have a dome inside, no spring (if the video of the teardown is true on YT tearing it down).
that said, i have mine on order and already had an extra pair of KK2 mechanical buttons with my KK2 order so i will just pop them in.
it would be a great value if Gulikit will make more kinds with different feel of those buttons imo.
I dont believe that it is a bad controller overall, i just so love the feel of the KK2 but am disappointed with the connection lag of the KK2 with the switch and hope the KK3 is better with that.
also Gulikit can make things way better if they offer different button combinations and colours, i would love to have white buttons on my black controller but this is not sold separate for switch layout (ABYX), you can do better Gulikit, you made a name now stand by it for the community.
I 'd like other color buttons or replacement paddle (I like 4 short )
@@NKL_Calcifer I’m busy trying to make (design) them really short like push buttons for 3d printing.
Because if 3rd parties would get interested we would have availability for buttons or whatever for the KK2, I don’t think any 3rd party is gonna do it but we will see
499 days no alcohol good to see you got my message 🥇✊
Damn dude. Wow, congratulations
Thanks for doing this video, I had this in my cart and now I'll be looking for a different controller.
Great video! I got my KK3 about 2 weeks ago and luckily haven’t had any issues. Running the latest firmware I did not notice any input delay compared to an OC’d dualsense edge. I am worried about the back buttons being too fragile though after a reddit post showing it broken already due to the design. I also agree with you on the ‘mechanical’ face buttons. They do not feel mechanical at all, literally the same feel as a xbox controller lol. Overall its not bad for 80 bucks, but it has left me a little underwhelmed. Also with all 4 paddles on the controller it is very uncomfortable to hold, idk if i just have weak ass hands but it hurts my pinky fingers to do all the gripping lol. I run it with the small paddles on the bottom and domes on top.
Thank you Kyle, that’s a fine looking vehicle in your profile picture. It’s too small to tell , but is that an olds Cutlass?
@@GamerHeavenOfficial Yes sir! 1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme Classic. Its been my baby since 2017. Always wanted one since i was a kid lol.
Nice follow up Kevin, I'm still considering this controller. I wonder how may people with issues didn't bother to update their firmware???
Thanks tdub, glad to see you hear
What is interesting too is there are two listings for this controller. One of them is the one you provided in the last video and another has a 4.1 review and decent number of 1 stars on Amazon.
Look closely at the dates and photos on those reviews. They’re for an older controller, not the KK3
Ok so… even if the pulling rate is 1000 Hz… you NEED to test and compare how the KK3 feels compared to the Dual sense. Cause if you play with a dual sense controller that is overclocked at 1000 Hz with a 1 ms response time. It feels much more responsive. I’m telling you dawg, you really need to test that specifically… because what I said in ur last video was that it FELT like I was playing on 30 fps with the KK3. And when I picked up my dual sense it felt like I jumped up to 240 Hz. It felt way better and way more responsive. I don’t know why, but it’s true. There was someone in my comment from the other day that even agreed with me…
He said that you get the same feeling and effect when you put a dual sense at 8000 Hz…
did you update it ? if not can you update it and test again and let us know please 🙏🏼
It feels laggy. Mine is on the latest firmware, version 3.1. I would not recommend it for competitive gaming.
I feel you
@@x-iso yes. It’s fully updated.
@@YoReapzyyy yes, everything was properly updated
Does the dongle work in switch mode? What is the input lag in switch mode? Wondering because I do like the option for gyro.
Came here to ask/find this question too. It's cool that it has the 1000Hz polling rate for PC via the dongle or wired connection. But I want to know what the polling/input delay is like for Switch. Can we use the dongle on the Switch? Or does it just connect to the Switch via Bluetooth
Super cool to hear that you are going to be testing gyro in dedicated section going forward. It's one my must have features that make me really love me Vader 3.
I also had QC issues with the kk2; i had a sticky B button that i had to sand, a squeaky left trigger after a few months, and very different sounding stick clicks and tensions.
Very great hair style as always haha
Great review I like how the controller looks nice to see good looking controllers
😂 thanks
@@GamerHeavenOfficial you are welcome :)
So glad you prefer the V3 pro, it’s in the mail as we speak! Was nearly regretting my choice after I saw your earlier KK3 review!
Keep up the good work as always loved the vid ❤
Thanks for elaborating on this topic. I'm one of those with KK2 pro stuck face button issue. Such a bummer Gulikit didn't improve the controller in that regard.
Personally I'd stay away from Gulikit.
Yeah, all of these issues drove me away from getting one of these to replace my KK2 Pro, i won't be greedy and stick to my unit that has always just worked fine
I bought a gray one and really liked it so I bought a white one too. I haven't have any problems, plus even if I did I bought them from Amazon and also have 2 year protection plans on them. From reviews it doesn't look like they are mechanical which does suck but man this controller feels really good and in gameplay feels fine. Im very happy with my gray and white one. Also the paddles are labeled on that little box they come in.
Yo bro, have you heard anything or plan on doing a review on Nagashock controllers?
Yes, and definitely yes
Awesome you brought up the Vader 3 Pro. That's my context for how I see other controllers, and really - the KK3 is super close! But when I think of buying it, I then think, why not spend the extra $$$ for that Turtle Beach pad? I'm not trying to collect controllers....but my family thinks I am, lol.
lol
Im shopping for a Xbox style wireless controller for PC with hall effect sticks, mouse clicky buttons, and a decent back layout so when I saw the beginning of the video for this I ordered it immediately off your recommendation. By the end of the video I already felt it was a mistake. This video was enough to get me to cancel the order. I also returned the Turtle beach controller. I dont remember you mentioning that it used the Playstation shape and Xbox stick layout but as soon as I held it I knew it wasnt for me. I want a wireless Razer Wolverine Tournament. Those top 2 buttons inside the triggers are my favorite thing. I just dont want to use a wired controller anymore. Currently use either a Scuf Envision or Dual Sense Edge depending on how many buttons I need.
I absolutely love my stealth ultra. Everything about that controller feel better than my elite 2’s or any of my other controllers. Only complaint I have is the sticks getting scuffed on the rings. I’ve had that happen to a lot of controllers tho. They need some different friction rings or sticks. I believe it’s the rings tho. The controller is soo comfortable and has features no other controller can compete with and the Hall effect sticks feel awesome
Get a flydigi Vader 3 pro. It's basically a budget razer wolverine tournament with hall effects sticks.
Stealth ultra fits that bill
I got mine yesterday and it's just incredible, no input lag whatsoever and ridiculously low deadzone setting. Can't see any reasons to buy any other controller for pc if you only play FPS
I can attest that My A button got stuck on the King Kong 2, which really annoyed me.
Is there any ways to unstuck them at all?
The Input Delay feels Like my Elite 2 Controller ( 6-8ms) never 1ms Input Delay 😅
I've had a few Guilikit controllers now, (also have the Steam Deck upgrade kit) and I've noticed a bit of a pattern for their QC.
When the controller is first released there seems to be a fare bit of inconsistencies with their manufacturing tolerances. This leads to issues like the buttons sticking, and the trigger stops not matching on the right and left sides. But as the months go on they usually tend to work these issues out and they become very consistent.
This pattern is fairly common for most companies, but these issues are magnified when it's a smaller company like Gulikit, especially when they're trying to keep their controllers cheap.
Does this excuse the QC issues and weird/false marketing with their "AI features" and "Mechanical" switches? No, of course not. But it's still a good thing to keep in mind if you get a crap controller and have to return it.
Also I've seen this exact same pattern with QC on Retrofighters controllers. I still love my Retrofighter controllers too.
Turtle beach and kk3, the two controllers I had hopes for seem to have issues. Well hopefully the New MSI controller hopefully will be good.
New MSI controller?
Sorry man, being disappointed by two controllers back-to-back like that is really disheartening
@@Gamingreviews115 yeah they announced it at CeS 2024. It has interchangeable sticks, HE triggers, and for back buttons. Has not been confirmed yet if the analog sticks themselves are HE
@@GamerHeavenOfficial yeeep. Let's hope those elite series 3 rumors are true
i guess im lucky. i didnt get any of the QC issues on my KK3. I do want to point out a thing on the paddles though. not sure if thats a QC issue or not but my black KK3 paddles are way more flush to the body than the ones you showed in your previous video. I didnt have to bend them or anything, they came like that right out of the box.
Mine are way off the controller, maybe some guy bending them gets bored 😄
As seen on VK's video, he took apart the "switches" that are just a rubber dome inside a plastic enclosure with a spring... They are literally just membrane not mechanical in any way vs what you would get in keyboards...
Yeah they are not even buttons, there is nothing inside them besides piece of rubber. Not sure if you are new to a channel or not, but long time ago gamer heaven tore down power a controller and it had fishing weights in them simply to make controller feel more premium, we are approaching a similar territory here
@@Gundemonium It's straight up false advertising in this case, unfortunately.
hey bro when the comparison with vader 4 pro comin ?
i don't know why youtube is always deleting my comment
can you pick up a GPDL latency tester
and test controller initial latency (polling rate doesn't tell us anything about latency)
in the wireless mode if a controller is wireless (as that's how 90% of people will use a wireless controller)
would be great addition to your content
Hello I was wondering does the Switch recognize this as a pro controller giving you the option to reprogram the face buttons and sticks?
Yes
Thank you for your response YOU ARE THE BEST
I've heard the gulikit 2 had tons of QC issues
Ya it was trash
Mines fine, guess I’m lucky
Hello Kevin, what about wireless input lag test with the camera?
btw love the brutal cynical humor 😁
mine work fine, vibration work fine, the button is membrane inside small case, never used the back button can't comment about mine, overall I'm satisfied, price here is about $40
well, it's still a Chinese controller so it's pretty much RNG as to how accurate the description is gonna be and whether you'll end up with a fully functional product. Gulikit and 8BitDo are the only ones who haven't let me down yet though, personally. my KK3 is arriving tomorrow, so we'll see. 🤷♂
How your experience on gulikit KK3 so far dude? I want to buy it cause i really want the APG features and i dont find it anywhere else but Gulikit seems have bad review
so hpw it is?
@@TheAbdID No issues on arrival for me, I'd say it performs at least as well as the 8BitDo Ultimate Bluetooth. I'm a bit disappointed about the false advertising regarding the "mechanical" face buttons but I think as long as you get one that doesn't have some kind of manufacturing defect it's great value for the money. Probably best to get it through Amazon for their warranty, just in case.
several things in this video aged badly especially the input delay part, this control ha smajjor qc problems digital triggers and back paddles breaking as well. The wireless mode has high initial latency as if it comes out of stand by mode
Turtle beach stealth ultra , I bought it because if your pervious videos 🤣 please do not say it’s shit 💩
I love my ultra seriously my favorite controller and I have many. Only issue is my sticks rubbing the friction rings and getting a little scuff but it’s not really that big of a deal or a deal breaker. I believe it’s the friction rings they need different ones. I have lots of older controllers that have done this with no friction rings. The stealth ultra is sooo much better than the elite 2’s. Absolutely loving the feel and options the ultra has.
It’s not shit, I just gave it Xbox controller of the year a few weeks back, although I am going to drop a video tomorrow that may hurt a little bit lol
@@GamerHeavenOfficial man I am so happy you have replied , you are top bloke 👍🏻 I am having some issues to with the connectivity and consistency. Sometimes back buttons don’t work etc
Its not common but there is a membrane feeling mechanical mouse switch. Not seen in any mouse or any gamepad but its called the Huano Silent or the Huano Brown Shell White(or Yellow) Dot. Its similar to the usual mouse switch but instead of a sharp triangular bump click feeling its a half circle bump.
Been overall pretty happy with mine, which I was hoping to replace my Elite 2 with. The lie about the mechanical buttons stings, but I haven't experienced any issues with the buttons like I have on countless Elite 2's that I have been through. One of my triggers is perfect with the trigger stop enabled, but the other has too much play. If they add an option to keep the status LED on so you can tell when the battery gets low then I might end up keeping it.
Damn, i literally just bought one of these. Better keep those fingers crooossed🤞🤞
although i've found vader 3 pro's for under 50 gbp so i might buy one later this month anyway lol.
My razer 8k mouse overloads the input thread of some games if used in 8k mode this might be true for other games that are optimized for default refresh rate of controllers
Just an fyi, some games (like Valorant) have a setting for "Raw Input Buffer" and turning it on fixes the 8k overload issue. But this is a less common setting currently.
Just arrived at my home, I have no issues with QC or lag, I had a issue with firmware update, the controller start vibrate continuosly when a connection is established, I had erase all the bt/wired/dongle profile from PC and restart PC .
I can't tell if the FW upgrade is necessary, but pay attention and if it's not mandatory in future I will not update .
4:00 yes, using symbols instead of letters helps mitigate censorship of comments regarding to various subjects including the undesired by the party political ideas, where you use a variety of other letters to point out the actual word. Even different spacing as the algo can be given the symbols variants of the words as well. Any bit of change helps keep up comments that the party might now want to be seen by people.
I was considering this controller but ended up getting the GameSir G7se. I was actually going to buy a Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra but 1( I’ve seen more than just a few bad reviews on it and 2) I just bought a brand new Turtle Beach Stealth Pro headset and I’m extremely disappointed that there is no integration for example being able to control the volume and mute right from the controller. It’s actually really disappointing. With the KK3, it’s also got a bunch of negative reviews on Amazon and I’ve seen more than just a few negative reviews on it on YT. I’m looking to upgrade from my Elite Series 2. Since I really wanna see what all the hype about Hall Effect sticks and overclocking your remote are, I feel like the G7se will be a great controller to hold me over till the Elite Series 3 comes out which I’m sure will have all these new features.
Not sure if this applies to the update but I reinstalled my whole computer… turns out the kk3 was causing all my games to have massive fps drops when using most inputs but specifically the RT or shoot button. Would go from 240 down to 70fps in combat. Accidentally used mouse and key and had no issue then switched back to Xbox elite and had no issues.
Found this video because I was searching for answer about my KK3 Max 's polling rate.
For some reason, in wireless it's just 500hz (tested with gamepadla) and can only do 1000hz when wired and the stability is not even at 100%!
I already updated the firmware and tried setting the polling rate at 1000hz using hidusbf but it still read as 500hz in gamepadla.
Not sure if it's just mine.
[3:28] So it finally released in Australia, and I absolutely love it as my first ever pro controller. Had to reset the board a few times, but that's the only real issue I had but even then, not that much. If anything it's a bit entertaining to me.
Where did you order it from? I'm in australia as well, would love to know.
The Vader 3 Pro can be found for 49usd in Ali, an amazing deal
I think there's a weird semantics thing going on. The controller was never advertised as using microswitches or mechanical *switches*, the buttons were advertised as being mechanical, which these... also aren't but the original version definitely was. However, one thing does open up with these in that they're modular, and that's what they should have advertised them as. As long as it has the stem for the buttons to fix to, fits inside the box, and has a carbon pad making contact with the PCB, the guts of that button could be whatever you want them to be. Clicky, tactile, or linear, it's kinda whatever you want. I think modders could have a field day with these things.
There's a video of someone disassembling the face buttons and they're not mechanical, they are in fact membrane. They lied. However, I have had the controller for about 2 weeks now and I couldn't be happier with it. I have had no problems whatsoever and it is beyond great for the price, so much so that I am thinking of grabbing a second to have as a spare.
It would have been really cool if the switch was in the buttons and you could swap between mechanical or membrane buttons. I personally don't care what the face buttons are (as long as they do not stick lol)
That was my thought process as well
@@GamerHeavenOfficialYep, but hey in the end I think the pad is an insane value given it's features for the price.
In a perfect world I think it would come with swappable thumbsticks, mechanical switch button option, and it's own software to more thoroughly customize the settings/adjustments. It would be awesome if you could change the right stick sensitivity to more granular values between the 50/100/150 presets, etc. Honestly that is probably going to keep me playing on my 8bitdo Ultimate a bit more than this, although I do love the paddles on the kk3.
Thx for video. Would also like to see vader 3 vs new apex 4 controller from flydigi.
I think the term mechanical is being confused with something clicky etc. Mechanical can be anything having a separate return device or just made of parts like a spring what is pictured in the images. HOWEVER I have read a lot that what is in the switch is not what is in the images for gen1. It could still be argued the fact it has a plastic plunger and housing containing a dome and contact that it is still mechanical. Either case these were one thing I saw as a detractor to the controller itself. I would prefer a simple membrane sheet that I can replace without solder or whatever attachment these make to the PCB. Truth be those clicky switches in the elite2 are no more mechanical as they are just a metal dome instead of a bit of silicone and carbon, and more prone to failure. I have gone through 4 elite2s in less years because of those switches in the shoulders, dpad and rear paddles. They last anywhere from 1month to 9months.
So this is a quality control update about a review that lacked an in-depth review. 🤔
Still enjoying your channel greatly.
I was wondering if you could start just giving a little blurb or shoutout on how the controllers fair on the Steam Deck in the future? Since a lot of the software suites don't work on the Deck I'd like to hear how you'd use them on the Deck.
Noted!
I very much prefer back paddles to back buttons so the vader is a no go for me. Just hoping the Elite series 3 isn't another QC dumpster fire.
Oooh looking forward to the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra part 3. It was quite the letdown for me and many other buyers who just experienced loads of hardware issues. Was really shocked at the questionable quality at this price point. Maybe a revision would fix a lot of the issues it has, but I won't buy again. If hitting the Christmas window is more important than quality control, I'm out for good. I'll probably pick up a kk3 max once they ever hit the European market. Not expecting much to be honest; seems like QC'ing controllers has been a lost art for a while now, but at that price point, I'm willing to take a gamble.
You're probably gonna say just buy a Vader, but have you tested the latency in dongle mode?
I appreciate this follow up video. I actually put a KK3 Max into my cart because of the previous review which came across my feed this morning, but hadn't pulled the trigger yet.
I have an 8bitdo Ultimate BT with no current issues (perfect dpad, no connectivity issues), so I don't *need* a new controller, I guess I just wanted one for those extra couple of back buttons, lol, and I didn't need to run out and spend extra cash for something that wasn't going to blow me away. Or let alone that would have a worse dpad, as I play too many platformers and fighting games to not have something that will let me pull off consistent 632146 inputs at minimum.
I bought one, almost perfect, but my rear paddle is stuck after one week.
Send it back.
Giving me second thoughts 😅 But for real, would you say this is worthwhile ordering or to hold off and see if the QA issues are solved down the line?
you didn't test with the dongle lol. the input lag is with the 1000hz polling rate hyperlink dongle
In the initial review good Sir
@@GamerHeavenOfficial I meant with the 240hz and the camera. There is a substantial input lag when using the hyperlink dongle vs wired in game.
@@pix2276Where have you seen proof of this please?
My controller won't turn on after doing a firmware update. I used the controller only once.
I was watching another reviewer of guilik kk3. He opened up the gen 2 button switch to find no spring in it. Just found a membrane.
Does that controller work with the adapter goku with polling rate 1000hz on ps4??
The KK3 ABXY "Mechanical Buttons" are membranes, yall got sold a crock a shite.
Whats a good controller alternative? I had this in my cart due to the video from yesterday, but now i dont think ill pull the trigger due to these issues. Whats a good alternative?
Flydigi vader 3 pro
Machenike G6 Pro, Machenike G5 Pro V2, Flydigi Vader 3 Pro, Gamesir T4 Cyclone Pro, NYXI Warrior, Flydigi Vader 3 Pro and Flydigi Apex 4. Or if you want a very cheap option which also has some of the features the most recent controller have then go for the 8bitdo Ultimate 2C (also tae into account that this controller does NOT support the Nintendo Switch)
What do you think is the cheapest dualsense worth GOOD hall effect sticks?
I need a new controller and I plan to heavily modify it myself, so I don't need it to come with any fancy paddles or anything, but I do want a dualsense with HE as cheap as possible (also wouldn't be opposed to good trigger stops but not necessary)
Clearly say they are using mechanical Buttons not switches, button and switch are different kind of mechanism. They are technically true about their mechanical button.
I hate to say it, the back paddles stick. I've only had it for a week but playing rocket league where you hold one button down for a few seconds at a time has caused the bottom right one to stick already. I'm sure if you put enough pressure on it for about 15 seconds a few time over you'll get the same result. Damn really wanted a good cheaper 4 paddle wireless controller but this isn't it
Review the easysmx x10 😊 🙏
I have experienced horrible input delay from new controllers when playing on PC including KK3. But then I RESTART my PC after the drivers are automatically installed then it goes away.
Yeah, the analog/digital switch on the triggers is definitely something that should be mentioned. I've bought a lot of controllers, but never had one with that feature before.
My “B” button from traditional xbox layout on the kk3 doesn’t work. The button press registers sometimes and when I press and hold it acts like a “spam” input
One thing that trouble me: How can I access the Menu button with KK3 Max? There is no menu button.
Went through two of these controllers, wired gives me ghost inputs, the controller starts pressing buttons randomly, wireless dongle hard fluctuates in polling rate. First time buying this brand and my last. Honestly, would not recommend trusting most of these videos, a lot of videos that say this is the best controller or things like that. I've noticed people having tons of issues with this controller and not enough is being addressed while people are getting paid off with a perfectly fine unit so they can market it for the company.
I just got mine and the vibration seems to only work when I turn the controller on, otherwise it doesn't seem to do anything when I change vibration modes. Help?
👍👍👍Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
iam 100% willing to bet the buttons are just mushy dome with slider modules no keyboard and no controller has ever felt good with those switch types btw fly digi SUPER CLICKY love it vader 3 pro FTW