Literally finished this movie just now....me being a mind bending genre freak ....how did i miss this movie.....2009 and i nevr Heard of it...damnn......btw .great explanation
These are great visualizations. Good work. Coherence would be a good move that lends itself well to this sort of visual analysis. I think the only "real" version of jess is the one in the sundress. She abuses her son, then dies in a car accident. The whole movie is her metaphysical version (wearing the sweater and shorts) using the taxi driver to ferry her to the triangle loop in order to come out of it to replace the jess in the sundress that kills her son, only to re live that moment over and over.
I love this movie so much but I have a hard time with two things. One, how did her keys ever get on board in the first place? Two, when left Jess is fighting left killer Jess, we hear someone running above deck which gives the left killer Jess the chance to hit left Jess with the butt of the shotgun, but I cannot place this event. Hidden right Jess story somehow...? I think Jess definitely has the opportunity for change. Evidence is not just the taxi driver's offer, but also that not everything loops exactly the same. For instance the first jess we follow hides from the masked jess in the kitchen, but when we revisit this later that left Jess doesn't hide by the time left killer Jess arrives. Finally, the entire right Jess story, not really shown, is very different from left Jess that we follow in the movie. I think it's very interesting that both killer Jess lose to their earlier selves, left killer Jess is knocked overboard by the arriving left Jess, and right killer Jess is killed (1:40) by the arriving right Jess. Even though they ostensibly know what's coming it doesn't help. Maybe they are just so exhausted that even though they know they can't fight back well enough, and don't have a perfect memory of what happened (which would make sense). I have always supposed right Jess is left killer Jess after washing up on the beach. So we never really see the entire right Jess story, only know that she doesn't make it. Based on the conversation she has with left Victor which we see later she also woke up on the Triangle without her memory. My own pet theory is that left Jess killed her son, he didn't die in a car accident. Then they died at sea, putting her on the journey. This is why in the opening of the film the bag is not as heavy as it is in the end of the film. And why the music is super ominous when left Jess returns to kill the Jess in the house. And in fact why she kills her at all instead of, for instance, making it so the car couldn't run.
Jess knows exactly what's going to happen and still acts completely oblivious throughout the whole thing. But let's say she somehow has amnesia while on the trip. You then have two different Jess killing Victor the exact same way, which is nonsense. Since we know the ship doesn't reset itself she also each time would have had not only to get rid of bodies in the rooms of interest, but also scrub the whole ship clean, put the items in their own place, recook the whole meal in the ball room and somehow repair the damage done to the ship. This movie has more holes than a sinking ship, those are just the few I could recall from the top of my head
The ship is an enigma, I think a lot of things just 'happen' like the food appearing, blood disappearing, etc. It's part of the fantastical element of the movie. No one can actually get stuck in a time loop so we already have to suspend our disbelief in this film as we do with many other films, so, in my opinion, it is a stretch to suggest Jess has to cook the food, clean up the blood, etc. It's another part of the phenomenon. I do think it is an interesting idea that maybe she does remember everything and acts oblivious, though I do feel like her actions would be substantially different if that were the case. I appreciate the insight an opinion though!
@SCRIPT-DWG I just feel like it's cheap to have the movie selectively decide what perpetuates and what doesn't seemingly at random and give the viewer the task of filling its own holes. Feels more like an oversight than anything
@@hardware64 I totally get that, I think you have a point. I thought the same thing; some bodies pile up but the blood and other bodies don't. Nonetheless, I think it's a very well made, unique movie. I think it accomplished your goal in getting you to think a lot about what is going on and how it all works.
I read somewhere how each time when jess and her son get in the car crash and she goes into the taxi back to the harbor, her memory gets reset when she sleeps in the yacht. Basically at the start of the movie its her coming back like she does at the end
I just want to propose a different theory. I think that its possible that its actually 1 loop, where A and B connect. I believe its possible that after the events of the movie, jess A becomes Jess B, a more agressive pressoasive and with apperent hindesight to prepare for her masked self, by bashing the head of the 3rd jess and puting her in the water and being very agressive towards them when she is the 3rd jess (while in the movie we see the 2nd time they come) but because she was so agressive with the 3rd jess when she is the 3 she gets her head shot and she is beaten by her prior self (bc if we think, the A jess sends to the water A jess, so B jess sends to the water B jess). Now if we think that the end of Jess loop B goes with a concussion to the water its possible to explain why she goes to loop A and not remembering nothing but still having some deja vu. And so its possible that its a single loop where A connects to B and B to A and so one. If anyone ever reads this pls tell me what you think, I think it only leaves 1 plot hole, that is how she got into the loops to begin with, so maybe it is still part of a purgatory kinda thing. let me know what you think
Man, having gone through this movie and looked through various things, I think it’s just a crappy horror movie lol Bermuda Triangle used to be pretty big in media back when I was a kid. The whole thing about it was that you’d get lost and trapped in it forever and go through horrors and nonsensical stuff the whole time. Although I can see the logic of the loops, the reality is that we never see the entirety more than a single time. The next entire thing could be completely different. From what I gather, the opening credits are the only thing that actually happens, other than that they get trapped in The Bermuda Triangle. The opening credits has Jess pack her bags after she returns from a prank doorbell ditch, and she packs her ruined floral looking dress. In the Bermuda Triangle, this time period Jess is killed while still wearing her dress and stuffed in the bag while still wearing it. For it to be an actual loop, and for it to be death based, you’d have to have a couple things: you’d have to have a condition for the initial run-through, and you’d have to have religion brought into it during the opening credits which are confirmed as real. The latter is straightforward enough. The former, however, would require a condition she, for some reason, entered the ship and proceeded to kill all the others in a manner which would establish an initial loop, which would then be altered into a second loop, and then into a third loop, and then bringing the whole cycle together, but there’s no indication as to anything that would cause this to happen in the first place, so none of the loops are real to begin with. From what I can gather, original Jess was a loving mother of an autistic child that was scheduled to go on a weekend boating outing. Her son was upset, but she made a commitment, and followed through with it. She dropped off her son at his school for the weekend, went to the docks and was upset about having to leave her son behind. She then got lost in the Bermuda Triangle, and it proceeded to fuck with her fall all of eternity. She never actually killed anyone, since it’s not real. She abused her son and killed an alternate version of herself, because, again, none of that actually happened, and the Bermuda Triangle was just fucking with her. It’s a sci-fi horror film based on the Bermuda Triangle. It has shoddy writing. People online mistook all the plot holes and everything else for being some deeper intricate thing, when it really is just bad writing. P.S.: Aeolus was the name of a ship that had a triangle-shaped route similar to the Bermuda Triangle in the same area, had the same name as ship that the ship in the movie was actually modeled after, and had the same name as a mythology story about something that is basically the entire theme of being lost in the Bermuda Triangle, so I’m guessing the creators just came across the first one and mishmashed the various pieces together because they found it online and it sounded cool.
I still don't know why you started with Jess 3, really messed with following you on this. Somewhere I gave up. Should have done it like Peng Yangs Video, wish I understood yours to compare the explanations
I did it because there are 2 Jess'es that are in loops ahead of her, ie. Jess 1 and Jess 2. I didn't want to do Jess 0 and Jess -1. I'll have to check out Peng Yangs video though to see the style.
This movie doesn’t explain why the loop is happening, it just happens 🤦🏽♂️ You’d think they’d be an explanation at the end to make it make sense but no, it’s looping just because
Literally finished this movie just now....me being a mind bending genre freak ....how did i miss this movie.....2009 and i nevr Heard of it...damnn......btw .great explanation
just watched the movies and wanted a better understanding and you visual showing of the loop really helped.And you deserve more subscribers.
Thank you! 🙏 Any other ideas for movies I should do? I have a few scripts in the queue but would appreciate any additional ideas.
@@SCRIPT-DWG what about The Breed?
Great work man You deserve way more subscribers keep up the videos 🙌
These are great visualizations. Good work. Coherence would be a good move that lends itself well to this sort of visual analysis.
I think the only "real" version of jess is the one in the sundress. She abuses her son, then dies in a car accident. The whole movie is her metaphysical version (wearing the sweater and shorts) using the taxi driver to ferry her to the triangle loop in order to come out of it to replace the jess in the sundress that kills her son, only to re live that moment over and over.
I think that's a very real possibility ☝
Great video❤ great explanation and graphics
I love this movie so much but I have a hard time with two things. One, how did her keys ever get on board in the first place? Two, when left Jess is fighting left killer Jess, we hear someone running above deck which gives the left killer Jess the chance to hit left Jess with the butt of the shotgun, but I cannot place this event. Hidden right Jess story somehow...?
I think Jess definitely has the opportunity for change. Evidence is not just the taxi driver's offer, but also that not everything loops exactly the same. For instance the first jess we follow hides from the masked jess in the kitchen, but when we revisit this later that left Jess doesn't hide by the time left killer Jess arrives. Finally, the entire right Jess story, not really shown, is very different from left Jess that we follow in the movie.
I think it's very interesting that both killer Jess lose to their earlier selves, left killer Jess is knocked overboard by the arriving left Jess, and right killer Jess is killed (1:40) by the arriving right Jess. Even though they ostensibly know what's coming it doesn't help. Maybe they are just so exhausted that even though they know they can't fight back well enough, and don't have a perfect memory of what happened (which would make sense).
I have always supposed right Jess is left killer Jess after washing up on the beach. So we never really see the entire right Jess story, only know that she doesn't make it. Based on the conversation she has with left Victor which we see later she also woke up on the Triangle without her memory.
My own pet theory is that left Jess killed her son, he didn't die in a car accident. Then they died at sea, putting her on the journey. This is why in the opening of the film the bag is not as heavy as it is in the end of the film. And why the music is super ominous when left Jess returns to kill the Jess in the house. And in fact why she kills her at all instead of, for instance, making it so the car couldn't run.
It's not just a few things, the movie is full of plotholes and really not as clever as it tries to look like.
Why would she get on that yacht again? Plus she didn't pay the taxi driver, he said he'd leave the meter running.
Jess knows exactly what's going to happen and still acts completely oblivious throughout the whole thing. But let's say she somehow has amnesia while on the trip. You then have two different Jess killing Victor the exact same way, which is nonsense. Since we know the ship doesn't reset itself she also each time would have had not only to get rid of bodies in the rooms of interest, but also scrub the whole ship clean, put the items in their own place, recook the whole meal in the ball room and somehow repair the damage done to the ship.
This movie has more holes than a sinking ship, those are just the few I could recall from the top of my head
The ship is an enigma, I think a lot of things just 'happen' like the food appearing, blood disappearing, etc. It's part of the fantastical element of the movie. No one can actually get stuck in a time loop so we already have to suspend our disbelief in this film as we do with many other films, so, in my opinion, it is a stretch to suggest Jess has to cook the food, clean up the blood, etc. It's another part of the phenomenon. I do think it is an interesting idea that maybe she does remember everything and acts oblivious, though I do feel like her actions would be substantially different if that were the case. I appreciate the insight an opinion though!
@SCRIPT-DWG I just feel like it's cheap to have the movie selectively decide what perpetuates and what doesn't seemingly at random and give the viewer the task of filling its own holes. Feels more like an oversight than anything
@@hardware64 I totally get that, I think you have a point. I thought the same thing; some bodies pile up but the blood and other bodies don't. Nonetheless, I think it's a very well made, unique movie. I think it accomplished your goal in getting you to think a lot about what is going on and how it all works.
I read somewhere how each time when jess and her son get in the car crash and she goes into the taxi back to the harbor, her memory gets reset when she sleeps in the yacht. Basically at the start of the movie its her coming back like she does at the end
such a good video
I just want to propose a different theory. I think that its possible that its actually 1 loop, where A and B connect. I believe its possible that after the events of the movie, jess A becomes Jess B, a more agressive pressoasive and with apperent hindesight to prepare for her masked self, by bashing the head of the 3rd jess and puting her in the water and being very agressive towards them when she is the 3rd jess (while in the movie we see the 2nd time they come) but because she was so agressive with the 3rd jess when she is the 3 she gets her head shot and she is beaten by her prior self (bc if we think, the A jess sends to the water A jess, so B jess sends to the water B jess). Now if we think that the end of Jess loop B goes with a concussion to the water its possible to explain why she goes to loop A and not remembering nothing but still having some deja vu. And so its possible that its a single loop where A connects to B and B to A and so one. If anyone ever reads this pls tell me what you think, I think it only leaves 1 plot hole, that is how she got into the loops to begin with, so maybe it is still part of a purgatory kinda thing. let me know what you think
Man, having gone through this movie and looked through various things, I think it’s just a crappy horror movie lol
Bermuda Triangle used to be pretty big in media back when I was a kid. The whole thing about it was that you’d get lost and trapped in it forever and go through horrors and nonsensical stuff the whole time.
Although I can see the logic of the loops, the reality is that we never see the entirety more than a single time. The next entire thing could be completely different.
From what I gather, the opening credits are the only thing that actually happens, other than that they get trapped in The Bermuda Triangle. The opening credits has Jess pack her bags after she returns from a prank doorbell ditch, and she packs her ruined floral looking dress. In the Bermuda Triangle, this time period Jess is killed while still wearing her dress and stuffed in the bag while still wearing it.
For it to be an actual loop, and for it to be death based, you’d have to have a couple things: you’d have to have a condition for the initial run-through, and you’d have to have religion brought into it during the opening credits which are confirmed as real. The latter is straightforward enough. The former, however, would require a condition she, for some reason, entered the ship and proceeded to kill all the others in a manner which would establish an initial loop, which would then be altered into a second loop, and then into a third loop, and then bringing the whole cycle together, but there’s no indication as to anything that would cause this to happen in the first place, so none of the loops are real to begin with.
From what I can gather, original Jess was a loving mother of an autistic child that was scheduled to go on a weekend boating outing. Her son was upset, but she made a commitment, and followed through with it. She dropped off her son at his school for the weekend, went to the docks and was upset about having to leave her son behind. She then got lost in the Bermuda Triangle, and it proceeded to fuck with her fall all of eternity. She never actually killed anyone, since it’s not real. She abused her son and killed an alternate version of herself, because, again, none of that actually happened, and the Bermuda Triangle was just fucking with her.
It’s a sci-fi horror film based on the Bermuda Triangle. It has shoddy writing. People online mistook all the plot holes and everything else for being some deeper intricate thing, when it really is just bad writing.
P.S.: Aeolus was the name of a ship that had a triangle-shaped route similar to the Bermuda Triangle in the same area, had the same name as ship that the ship in the movie was actually modeled after, and had the same name as a mythology story about something that is basically the entire theme of being lost in the Bermuda Triangle, so I’m guessing the creators just came across the first one and mishmashed the various pieces together because they found it online and it sounded cool.
I still don't know why you started with Jess 3, really messed with following you on this. Somewhere I gave up.
Should have done it like Peng Yangs Video, wish I understood yours to compare the explanations
I did it because there are 2 Jess'es that are in loops ahead of her, ie. Jess 1 and Jess 2. I didn't want to do Jess 0 and Jess -1. I'll have to check out Peng Yangs video though to see the style.
This movie doesn’t explain why the loop is happening, it just happens 🤦🏽♂️ You’d think they’d be an explanation at the end to make it make sense but no, it’s looping just because