Yup I feel like everyone remembers older Astralis when it comes to Overpass. They are still being called one of the best at it but Overpass seems to be one of their worst, not saying that they are bad but others are better
I gotta say Thorin. Listening to you speak about cs is so incredible. You have so much knowledge. I think you are doing the cs scene a great thing. Keep up the good work man. We all appreciate your effort.
@@dunemeister5718 hey guys remember those 2 maps MSL counter stratted Astralis on after being worse than top 10 for 4 months and then getting himself kicked from the team a week later? Oh yeah, that's a reason why they don't have an era ROFL
El Lohvrti I like how you can call me dumb without realising that I didn’t anywhere in my comment say that Astralis don’t have an era. I gave the only notable example of where they got out stratted, and then laughed at the fact North bombed the major. In short, you should revise your statements and try to look like less of an idiot in future
@@dunemeister5718 Initial impression was that you were talking down Astralis. By that logic, it looks like you're trying to take away from the fact they have an era.
El Lohvrti once again, I gave the one notable example of where Astralis were out stratted. I did not say they were bad, I did not say they did not have an era, I did not down play them. Those assumptions were made by yourself
To be fair when cbble was removed and dust was added Glaive actually said on some danish site that it wasn't that big of a deal because they had already been practicing a lot of new stuff on cbble that they now wouldn't get to show off and on dust they already had a good idea how to play it from before it was removed. As far as I remember he said he didn't feel like it played a huge deal in their rise to the top.
What team do you think will end this era? Like, for now, navi without edward and with better player seems good shot, but a faze team with 5 superstars are not bad, either.
i agree Astralis is the best team point blank period right now. then faze/navi i still miss the old SK lineup they were dominate foreawile i just liked the team. maybe taco needed to be removed after awile but why not keep the core 4 and get another superstar. i just dont think tarik fits on the new mibr lineup, maybe stewie does but i dunno
I have a dream, watching the fnatic era vs astralis era in a bo5. Who you think would win? I think the Map-pool, could be a huge difference, but ofcourse there is more components to take in consideration.
I would give the map pool and tactical play to Astralis and the fire power to Fnatic. Also remember, fnatic always lost to TSM, who wasn't nearly as good as this Astralis, Device+Dupreeh+Xyp9x has always been that Fnatic cores cryptonite.
William Danielsson Mate, one of those majors doesn’t count in this regard. Had Znajder and Devilwalk, and they weren’t the best team before or after that upset win until they changed players.
@@HotWiiingz Could you repeat that in English? That sentence makes no fucking sense. Proof of what?? It wasn't the same team, and it was an UPSET... They didn't do anything else. That team will only be remembered for over-performing at one event.
Zach no need for the hostility. Nah, just that 3 of the players went on to win 2 more. And also, that upset was the biggest tournament of the year. Still, what would you consider the fnatic era? The one with Olof and krimz, or the Dennis one? Could you see the fnatic era beat the astralis era? :)
I believe that with the old SK the story would be different. I still think Astralis would be the n1 team in the world, but Sk was by far the best team in 2017, and maybe on the same lvl as faze with niko guardian and olof (Yet not losing to them in playoffs). Even tho stewie is a better player than taco, communication became very difficult because some of their players dont speak english very well (also boltzzz is way bettr that tarik fight me). What I noticed is that the 2nd and 3rd teams in the world are ONLY being held backm by astralis. They beat everyone with ease just to lose to astralis. I do believe that Faze is the team that was best able to take down astralis (especially after watching the IEM game). So if Astralis had to fight a team on the same lvl as 2017 SK, they could have more difficulty. Im not saying 2017 SK is better than astralis, is just that faze is the only team i can see overtaking Astralis and having a team like the Brazilians (that were able to beat faze most of the times) would make Astralis run slower. We often forget that the best team in the world is completely trash (if you compare them to the other teams in the top 5). THERE. An essay with about two words worth of content, just like ur vids. JK I LOVE THEM.
Clearly right now its astralis era propably until major if team's can make clever swaps like Navi and liquid can have a chance navi has to kick Edward there's so much talent in csi liquid need an igl nitro its not a bad player but they need a bit of better tactical approach and someone more fired up,well maybe vitality G2. Swap happen kick happy take shox and take a good coach,well faze it's hard kick karrigan it's logic but I don't think can someone handle the players
@Alexis k I don't think Navi should kick Edward. he is very useful for the team. he gets info, he sets s1mple up. and also is a nice dude to have in your team when it comes down to moral. + IMO a team needs someone to sacrifice himself for the team to win + Edward did put up high numbers last 1,5 month or so
@@JustSluipere even that he's game sense is bad also s1mple doesn't need setup ,with Edward they can be good yeah but they will never overthrow astralis
@@badmannersbraw Dont you think, as when they take another 'top player' they will lose the player that sacrifice, lose the cohesion with Zeus. ? I would love to see Navi at the top tho. They re my fav team. (btw they help s1mple a lot. he is in fact patient when he needs to be. the others flash him in or push on the other side of the map simultaneously.
@@JustSluipere I didn't say to take another star player but a better skillwise player who can support and be a better player overall examples are kio,xypz and build a new all around player.avangar vega have some great players to develop
Stopped reading when i saw navi has to kick edward, what a braindead fuckwit. If anyone even needs to go, it flamie, and that doesnt even need to happen...
Thorin, when you film your next Patreon bit at the end, can you please say, “... then put your money where your motherfucking mouth is”? I’m always saying it in my head, lol
I think there a wonderful team and a very structured team. But I think there a super boring team to watch gameplay wise. Especially when we already expect them to win easily enough Inless a random upset shows up.
I think the size of the players' foreheads is directly linked to how good of a team they can be. With the exception of device, Astralis is #FiveheadGang
Very very right Just let FaZe Clan do it's comeback and roster change if need be (let's hope not). Then Astralis will get their Azz kiked. NiKo God Meister is God
I do agree with you that Astralis is the most dominant team ever but the problem with a team being that dominant without any rivals is that it gets boring for us viewers. We really need someone to challenge Astralis.
both the super high level team synergy "Astralis" plays as well as the super star run and gun action reel rounds that make it very exciting to watch are beautiful counter-strike. Imagen if both styles could collide. Good strats, executes, but superstars making crazy plays through all those grenades deployments and bodies falling around. THats even more impressive. Its a bit like when Navi and Astralis collide or faze and Astralis. Theres plenty of people that under appreciate how beautiful moving as a team, one Unit can be. Feeling entwined beyond the level of word communication. I am guessing only people who have experienced that level of teamplay at a top competition can appreciate that. In short, theres too many suka blyat egos in csgo fan base :D For the same reason (and the ingame scoreboard) support players didnt get their deserved recognition neither. But they are getting it more now, when xyp9x is showing it within Astralis, when other teams are failing without their support player like Taco or STyko. Im glad to see some sense is starting to sink in :D
Theres absolutely no argument against this Astralis era. I cant remember astralis losing a big game, its been so so long. Fnatic late 2014 is the only team better
this is just my opinion when thorin say astralis is a very tactical team that play a very smart n safe play. well thats the thing there. its hard to enjoy n excite to the tactical/safe play because as a SPECTATOR, u want to something flashy. u want to see a messy action. u want to see craziness. i get it that as a PRO PLAYER, u want to win at any cost whether its ugly or boring in the viewers eye but that what makes the entertainment value kinda diminishing. but i would say that astrlis recently kinda throw that away a little bit which make me enjoy watching their match.
but what most seem to overlook: Astralis often LIKES aggression on CT side and fast pace on T side. Also: just check out Dupreeh playing boiler on inferno T; Magisk in B Apps Mirage as T; They DO individual plays, but people only look at the crazyness of S1mple and compare it to Astralis, which is obviously a joke.
@@silverjackk is it really a joke? because most fans n casual are really into those crazy stuff. if u can DELIVER SOMETHING THEY WANNA SEE, i dont think its a joke at all. plus s1mple doing it on the highest level of csgo pro scene almost every time/matches. isnt the fact itself is awesome?
@@arep7771 i was refering to s1mple being the BY FAR best player in the world, and that comparing his obviously nuts plays with Astralis is a joke, because I think it's fairly clear that theyre not able to replicate it. So it's very unlogical to expect it from them, when they most likely know themselves theyre not able to do this stuff, and thats why they play tactical.
@@silverjackk i get what u talking about but it just a FACT that its not a very appreciated element in SPECTATOR eyes. even in this video thorin give an example of gsp(ex-ufc fighter) having the same issue like astralis. both are very dominant in their era but their play/fighting style are not very interesting to watch by a mainstream fans.
It's simply too short to be an era yet. Also they miss a lot of events and still loose quite some of those they attend. Dominance not only means winning easily, it also means winning often. Smashing everyone at every possibility given. Imo you can't just miss almost every 2nd event and call it an era. The fact they don't have a rival has nothing to do with astralis, it only supports the argument that all other top teams struggle at the moment.
They struggle against astralis. But i guess that doesnt matter? Because as u said they skip events. The whole idea that you cant be a good team because everyone else is trash is kind of stupid if u think about it. They win a majority of the events they attend not their problem that the other teams are inconsistent
Yugo Betrugo thats bs, lg and SK basically had 2 seperated eras and the 1 in 2016 lasted from MLG Columbus to Esl one Cologne. In this timespan they won 2 majors and EPL finals but they also lost 2 tournaments. After Esl one Cologne they were still good, but they werent winning tournaments for over half a year, so this is were there first era ended (the 1 I referred to first) The 2 in 2017 started with the win of IEM Sydney and lasted until the Krakow major, in this Timespan they won 4/6 tournaments. U cant make the case that their era was the whole time from MLG Columbus to Krakow, bc half of the time they werent winning anything. U can only make that case when ure conditions for an „era“ are rlly low. But then i cant understand, why u would ssay that Astralis doesnt have 1. Also the argument that they are skipping to many tournaments is bs. Astralis played 10 tier 1 tournaments in half a year, that is rlly much. Yea they skipped some tournaments, but so did other topteams, Epiccenter? also no MIBR amd mousesports Starseries? many other Topteams skipping.
I just don't like watching Astralis. I agree they are best best team hands down, but I love watching the close games and the intense, that's just my preference. Astralis brings none of that, they just rampage everyone so I pretty much dont even watch their games, its always a win for Astralis.
Nope There is no good explanation for first point, all teams have a banged up squad & not in peak You just discarded other people's views, even you don't have any logic here especially
Part of the reason why the scene is in shambles is teams are panicking to try and find the secret answer to astralis. It’s not their fault teams are self destructing trying to compete with them
Easily the best video opener you have now
Shut the fuck up you fucking bitch!
@@Nico-zw9ud *Shut ze fak ap u fakin bish
I don't think that foul language is any good...
@@razorgarf fuck off
S1mple nailed it in the 20th take.
BEST
INTRO
Astralis's map pool:
Cbble: RIP
Dust2: Astralis 16-0 MiBR
Cache: Meh
Train: Yeah whatever
Mirage: Sure!
Inferno: Magisk + Pit and Device + Archside = EZ WIN
Overpass: HELL YEAH!
Nuke: That T side though
They have been looking a little lackluster on Overpass recently. Still good. But loosing more than they should.
Yup I feel like everyone remembers older Astralis when it comes to Overpass. They are still being called one of the best at it but Overpass seems to be one of their worst, not saying that they are bad but others are better
Lord Of Cynicism space soldiers on cache holds that record. 2 years of winning on the map until the middle of this year where mibr beat them.
at the point mibr is rn even i could 16-0 them alone! GO ASTRALIS!
I gotta say Thorin. Listening to you speak about cs is so incredible. You have so much knowledge. I think you are doing the cs scene a great thing. Keep up the good work man. We all appreciate your effort.
guess i will shut up when s1mple tells me to, great intro :)
Astralis innovated and outplayed every other team, thats it, nothing to argue about it.
Andres Soto apart from when MSL counter stratted them to fuck in DH Stockholm. And then they bombed the major lmao
@@dunemeister5718 hey guys remember those 2 maps MSL counter stratted Astralis on after being worse than top 10 for 4 months and then getting himself kicked from the team a week later? Oh yeah, that's a reason why they don't have an era ROFL
El Lohvrti I like how you can call me dumb without realising that I didn’t anywhere in my comment say that Astralis don’t have an era. I gave the only notable example of where they got out stratted, and then laughed at the fact North bombed the major.
In short, you should revise your statements and try to look like less of an idiot in future
@@dunemeister5718 Initial impression was that you were talking down Astralis. By that logic, it looks like you're trying to take away from the fact they have an era.
El Lohvrti once again, I gave the one notable example of where Astralis were out stratted. I did not say they were bad, I did not say they did not have an era, I did not down play them. Those assumptions were made by yourself
Such a pro, love your content Thorin
Counter strike is fucking lucky to have a guy like Thorin. Insane how long this guy has put up quality content.
I keep arguing that the two most important players in Astralis are xyp9x and gla1ve. What they do, they are the best at. The Einsteins of CS.GO.
Hey Thorin, I'd love to do a reflections with you. You really have helped me through the darkest parts of my life. You are incredible man.
To be fair when cbble was removed and dust was added Glaive actually said on some danish site that it wasn't that big of a deal because they had already been practicing a lot of new stuff on cbble that they now wouldn't get to show off and on dust they already had a good idea how to play it from before it was removed. As far as I remember he said he didn't feel like it played a huge deal in their rise to the top.
Definitely helped a lot though. Historically, Astralis were never good on the map. D2 is a completely different story.
@@lohvrti but as thorin says, they could just still ban it and play cache instead probably didnt matter much
Jon Sturlason very true.
Thooorin why can't you go back to your roots of reviewing food from American fast food chains? Kappa
Lucas Mardones he did some during the summit 3
That's a fun new opener
Please try watching in 0.5 speed. Thorin is awesome :)
He talks faster than his mind can think
2x sounds like he is super high and thinks he is a genius and wont stop talking
Thank you for this.
Astralis did become the number 1 ranked team in the world at Dreamhack masters Marseille
Hltv rankings yea.. but i dont think thorin just blindly follows that.
Nah, MIBR cut TACO for Stewie, then cut Boltz for Tarik
That what I said to myself when Thorin made this mistake
But he makes mistakes all the time maybe talks too fast for his mind
Love Astralis, thanks for the video.
Thorin spot on as always.
Liked only for the intro without even watching the video
I watch all your vids. I love you :)
I have to agree, I have never seen such dominance and tactical depth from a team, ever, I love watching Astralis, it's so enlightening.
Perfect intro
What team do you think will end this era? Like, for now, navi without edward and with better player seems good shot, but a faze team with 5 superstars are not bad, either.
L3G10N I think they themselves will end their era just like every team.
should faze make a roster move or should they stick to their "star" roster, things doesnt work and karrigan are basically usless since niko is igling
Interesting video!
i like to see niko , guardian, simple, fallen and coldzero
omg s1mple, best intro ever
Can’t deny Astralis being the beat team right now, but I also feel quite a few teams aren’t exactly playing well at all, G2,MiBR,Faze etc
i agree Astralis is the best team point blank period right now. then faze/navi i still miss the old SK lineup they were dominate foreawile i just liked the team. maybe taco needed to be removed after awile but why not keep the core 4 and get another superstar. i just dont think tarik fits on the new mibr lineup, maybe stewie does but i dunno
True words.
where is navi video?
come to brazil
I will come to Brazil :]
top 10 best anime intros
I like Csgo
Hate Astralis in 2018 like Luminosity in 2016 and like fnatic in 2015
I have a dream, watching the fnatic era vs astralis era in a bo5. Who you think would win? I think the Map-pool, could be a huge difference, but ofcourse there is more components to take in consideration.
I would give the map pool and tactical play to Astralis and the fire power to Fnatic. Also remember, fnatic always lost to TSM, who wasn't nearly as good as this Astralis, Device+Dupreeh+Xyp9x has always been that Fnatic cores cryptonite.
Interesting, but i think that 3 major champion team with their fluid free playstyle could get some maps. Especially Train, maybe Mirage Also.
William Danielsson Mate, one of those majors doesn’t count in this regard. Had Znajder and Devilwalk, and they weren’t the best team before or after that upset win until they changed players.
@@HotWiiingz Could you repeat that in English? That sentence makes no fucking sense. Proof of what?? It wasn't the same team, and it was an UPSET... They didn't do anything else. That team will only be remembered for over-performing at one event.
Zach no need for the hostility. Nah, just that 3 of the players went on to win 2 more. And also, that upset was the biggest tournament of the year. Still, what would you consider the fnatic era? The one with Olof and krimz, or the Dennis one? Could you see the fnatic era beat the astralis era? :)
Astralis are dominant af and amazing but their kind of boring to watch because they are just really good at what they do
this aged well
Please do a video on racism in esports with the recent dota 2 scene drama.
MY BOI S1MPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that with the old SK the story would be different. I still think Astralis would be the n1 team in the world, but Sk was by far the best team in 2017, and maybe on the same lvl as faze with niko guardian and olof (Yet not losing to them in playoffs). Even tho stewie is a better player than taco, communication became very difficult because some of their players dont speak english very well (also boltzzz is way bettr that tarik fight me). What I noticed is that the 2nd and 3rd teams in the world are ONLY being held backm by astralis. They beat everyone with ease just to lose to astralis. I do believe that Faze is the team that was best able to take down astralis (especially after watching the IEM game). So if Astralis had to fight a team on the same lvl as 2017 SK, they could have more difficulty. Im not saying 2017 SK is better than astralis, is just that faze is the only team i can see overtaking Astralis and having a team like the Brazilians (that were able to beat faze most of the times) would make Astralis run slower. We often forget that the best team in the world is completely trash (if you compare them to the other teams in the top 5).
THERE. An essay with about two words worth of content, just like ur vids. JK I LOVE THEM.
#ASTRALISBESTTEAMEVER
Put just a lil more respect on Navi's name!!! They just destroyed them at blast a few days ago and won the title! But anyways I love ur vids! 👍🏽🔥
am still baffled that Duncan did not participated in the london FACE IT Major , i just dont get it ...
Snubbed by Bardolph
@@danw-m2974 no way , why would he do that ....i cant believe this
@@86pelezinho he made a whole video about the casting of the face it major
@@OG_Dropbox thank you , it seems i skiped that one !
Clearly right now its astralis era propably until major if team's can make clever swaps like Navi and liquid can have a chance navi has to kick Edward there's so much talent in csi liquid need an igl nitro its not a bad player but they need a bit of better tactical approach and someone more fired up,well maybe vitality G2. Swap happen kick happy take shox and take a good coach,well faze it's hard kick karrigan it's logic but I don't think can someone handle the players
@Alexis k I don't think Navi should kick Edward. he is very useful for the team. he gets info, he sets s1mple up. and also is a nice dude to have in your team when it comes down to moral. + IMO a team needs someone to sacrifice himself for the team to win + Edward did put up high numbers last 1,5 month or so
@@JustSluipere even that he's game sense is bad also s1mple doesn't need setup ,with Edward they can be good yeah but they will never overthrow astralis
@@badmannersbraw Dont you think, as when they take another 'top player' they will lose the player that sacrifice, lose the cohesion with Zeus. ? I would love to see Navi at the top tho. They re my fav team. (btw they help s1mple a lot. he is in fact patient when he needs to be. the others flash him in or push on the other side of the map simultaneously.
@@JustSluipere I didn't say to take another star player but a better skillwise player who can support and be a better player overall examples are kio,xypz and build a new all around player.avangar vega have some great players to develop
Stopped reading when i saw navi has to kick edward, what a braindead fuckwit. If anyone even needs to go, it flamie, and that doesnt even need to happen...
Benis :DDD
hahahha XD
Lol omfg that s1mple intro😂😂😂😂😂
Easily the best ending
I LOVE THE INTO AHAHAHAHHAA
IEM Chicago champs!!!!
But there's one big arguement against Astralis that not even you can debunk: They're danish.
Basti EiseNKrafT - Yes, people constantly having potatoes stuck in their mouthes cannot be the best team.
Thorin, when you film your next Patreon bit at the end, can you please say, “... then put your money where your motherfucking mouth is”? I’m always saying it in my head, lol
Astralis top 3 team of all time. Don't @ me.
Best of all time tbh
@@yasukomauratille6875 Best of all time is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
What are the other two teams?
@@alleged437 Fnatic and SK gaming i'm guessing.
@@alleged437 sorry, I mean Luminosity Gaming
why do you hate navi
hahaha s1mple intro love it
Astralis aka. real EnvyUs
I think there a wonderful team and a very structured team. But I think there a super boring team to watch gameplay wise. Especially when we already expect them to win easily enough Inless a random upset shows up.
If astralis keeps this level of dominance a few months longer, i have no issue admitting that theyre the best csgo team ever
I think the size of the players' foreheads is directly linked to how good of a team they can be. With the exception of device, Astralis is #FiveheadGang
Very very right
Just let
FaZe Clan do it's comeback and roster change if need be (let's hope not).
Then Astralis will get their Azz kiked.
NiKo God
Meister is God
Well you are somewhat ri8
Thats a mad team, you never know what will happen
@@amartripathy FaZe Up
Well fellas Astralis just got dominated by faze in a bo3 2-0 with the first map going 7-16
Oh that's so nice of s1mple to ruin your youtube monetization within the first 4 seconds of the video.
Yea, TSM was fnatics kryptonite
Astralis might be the best, but I still don't like them and will never chear for them.
Facking bish
Again
I do agree with you that Astralis is the most dominant team ever but the problem with a team being that dominant without any rivals is that it gets boring for us viewers. We really need someone to challenge Astralis.
well they lost 2 matches to Navi :D
just wait 3-5 months the era will end
s1mple!
They can have their era, but can SpunJ stfu about "its beautiful CS"
WeStZyX It is. But i get ya. Spunj loves that Astralis dick.
It is for people who arent only interested in some crazy jumpshots and flicks und Run and Gun and stuff
WeStZyX no he cant. Because it is beautiful cs.
both the super high level team synergy "Astralis" plays as well as the super star run and gun action reel rounds that make it very exciting to watch are beautiful counter-strike.
Imagen if both styles could collide.
Good strats, executes, but superstars making crazy plays through all those grenades deployments and bodies falling around.
THats even more impressive.
Its a bit like when Navi and Astralis collide or faze and Astralis.
Theres plenty of people that under appreciate how beautiful moving as a team, one Unit can be.
Feeling entwined beyond the level of word communication.
I am guessing only people who have experienced that level of teamplay at a top competition can appreciate that.
In short, theres too many suka blyat egos in csgo fan base :D
For the same reason (and the ingame scoreboard) support players didnt get their deserved recognition neither.
But they are getting it more now, when xyp9x is showing it within Astralis, when other teams are failing without their support player like Taco or STyko.
Im glad to see some sense is starting to sink in :D
10k cheats ftw
MAGISK BOI IS THE BEST PLAYER ON ASTRALIIS WHEN YOU TAKE PURE SKILL BUT HE SOMETIMES FORGETS TO SHOW UP!
Astralis is objectively the best held together team right now there's no denying it. They play on another level compared to other teams.
1. Jon Jones
2. Cormier
3. Fedor
4. Anderson Silva
5. Khabib
6. Demetrious
7. GSP
Cry is freee
Silva used to be #1 for me until he started dancing rather than fighting in the cage... He lost 2 times to Wiedman who went to shit after beating him.
Theres absolutely no argument against this Astralis era. I cant remember astralis losing a big game, its been so so long. Fnatic late 2014 is the only team better
Notification squad 🤣
fakin bicz
this is just my opinion when thorin say astralis is a very tactical team that play a very smart n safe play. well thats the thing there. its hard to enjoy n excite to the tactical/safe play because as a SPECTATOR, u want to something flashy. u want to see a messy action. u want to see craziness. i get it that as a PRO PLAYER, u want to win at any cost whether its ugly or boring in the viewers eye but that what makes the entertainment value kinda diminishing. but i would say that astrlis recently kinda throw that away a little bit which make me enjoy watching their match.
but what most seem to overlook: Astralis often LIKES aggression on CT side and fast pace on T side. Also: just check out Dupreeh playing boiler on inferno T; Magisk in B Apps Mirage as T; They DO individual plays, but people only look at the crazyness of S1mple and compare it to Astralis, which is
obviously a joke.
@@silverjackk is it really a joke? because most fans n casual are really into those crazy stuff. if u can DELIVER SOMETHING THEY WANNA SEE, i dont think its a joke at all. plus s1mple doing it on the highest level of csgo pro scene almost every time/matches. isnt the fact itself is awesome?
@@arep7771 i was refering to s1mple being the BY FAR best player in the world, and that comparing his obviously nuts plays with Astralis is a joke, because I think it's fairly clear that theyre not able to replicate it. So it's very unlogical to expect it from them, when they most likely know themselves theyre not able to do this stuff, and thats why they play tactical.
@@silverjackk i get what u talking about but it just a FACT that its not a very appreciated element in SPECTATOR eyes. even in this video thorin give an example of gsp(ex-ufc fighter) having the same issue like astralis. both are very dominant in their era but their play/fighting style are not very interesting to watch by a mainstream fans.
i agree
S1mple> NaVi
It's simply too short to be an era yet. Also they miss a lot of events and still loose quite some of those they attend. Dominance not only means winning easily, it also means winning often. Smashing everyone at every possibility given. Imo you can't just miss almost every 2nd event and call it an era. The fact they don't have a rival has nothing to do with astralis, it only supports the argument that all other top teams struggle at the moment.
They struggle against astralis. But i guess that doesnt matter? Because as u said they skip events.
The whole idea that you cant be a good team because everyone else is trash is kind of stupid if u think about it. They win a majority of the events they attend not their problem that the other teams are inconsistent
Astralis miss a lot of tournaments as many of them are too close together which can be stressful
Onix1003 lg and sk lasted almost a year, also back to back majors. Fanatic lasted over a year.
aakarshseven if you want an era you might have to live a stressful life
Yugo Betrugo thats bs, lg and SK basically had 2 seperated eras and the 1 in 2016 lasted from MLG Columbus to Esl one Cologne. In this timespan they won 2 majors and EPL finals but they also lost 2 tournaments. After Esl one Cologne they were still good, but they werent winning tournaments for over half a year, so this is were there first era ended (the 1 I referred to first) The 2 in 2017 started with the win of IEM Sydney and lasted until the Krakow major, in this Timespan they won 4/6 tournaments. U cant make the case that their era was the whole time from MLG Columbus to Krakow, bc half of the time they werent winning anything. U can only make that case when ure conditions for an „era“ are rlly low. But then i cant understand, why u would ssay that Astralis doesnt have 1. Also the argument that they are skipping to many tournaments is bs. Astralis played 10 tier 1 tournaments in half a year, that is rlly much. Yea they skipped some tournaments, but so did other topteams, Epiccenter? also no MIBR amd mousesports Starseries? many other Topteams skipping.
Pretty ironic that thorin uploads this video when Astralis has just dropped of their prime and started losing matches to tier 3 teams like LDLC.
I just don't like watching Astralis. I agree they are best best team hands down, but I love watching the close games and the intense, that's just my preference. Astralis brings none of that, they just rampage everyone so I pretty much dont even watch their games, its always a win for Astralis.
I fall asleep watching them play. and i'm pretty sure gla1ve is cheating. 70%of all kills is through smokes.
That Gla1ve part though 😂😂
Nope
There is no good explanation for first point, all teams have a banged up squad & not in peak
You just discarded other people's views, even you don't have any logic here especially
AMAR TRIPATHY liquid and NaVi both have quality squads but Astralis is just better, you can’t say that Liquid or NaVi or are bad
@@dunemeister5718 Add Faze to that too. Their whole team is made of star players.
@@alleged437 but they are in a slump, so ot doesnt count /s
@@dunemeister5718 Navi literally have 2 or 3 bots depending on the day.
Liquid are known chokers.
Faze are slumping.
Part of the reason why the scene is in shambles is teams are panicking to try and find the secret answer to astralis. It’s not their fault teams are self destructing trying to compete with them