We have it tore down currently to those keeping up with the build , to be realist we first are swapping to a 2500 charger they are bigger on the compressor side , housing is bigger , turbine is the same . We will stay stock fuel and see what type of games we make. These trucks do require some modifications over the 2500 to make it all work ! Parts are will be sent off to powder coat so as soon as they arrive we will be back on the dyno see the results !
@@CRAZYDIRTHEAD We’ve got this completed with a 2500 series charger just have to get you guys the video released . It’s literally finished and just has to make it on the dyno for everyone to see !!!
I own one of these for work. I pull a 21k tri axle dump trailer and when loaded to the gills I’ll hit the scale at 38-40,000 lbs it’s completely stock. I’m not upset about the lack of power but more would always be nice. So I’ll looking forward to see what becomes available for this rig.
I’m a power hungry man just like the rest of the guys who buy pickups trucks for just a daily driver a work truck and a work truck that when you step on it loaded or empty that will pin you in the seat on a hill loaded and flat walk off like a hot rod gas engine. Check on plug and play aftermarket with a larger turbo. What ever the upgrade we all hope that it’s a setup reasonable enough that you can offer to the public for sale as a kit with several different power level options. It’s real easy to spend someone’s else’s money. I have a 2019 GMC 3500HD dual wheel one ton I’m interested in upgrading my power level on. Not for racing but to be able to keep up with anyone not pulling a load while I’m pulling my 32ft gooseneck duel wheel loaded maybe a bit overloaded. Just a bit over. Anyway I am watching to see what way that you go with it power wise. Make us proud. Liked Subscribed & Shared
Honestly, IMHO, compounds is the way to go on a tow rig. Best way to get truly efficient power through all gears, lower EGT better fuel economy etc., plus, who doesn’t want 2 turbos. 366 with a 475/488 and be done. Obviously supporting mods too haha. But then again, it’s not my money I’m spending so I got tons of ideas hahaha
@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE can’t wait to see what you come up with. I’m slowly but surely getting my Ram 2500 done. Working with a fireman’s budget so it’s a work in progress hahaha.
At least you have a truck to work on. Ordered a 5500Hd in April 2021 and my order was canceled in January by GMC because the 2022 models were coming out. You would think they would have kept me in line for a 2022. Had to reorder. Still waiting. Please let us know how your build turns out.
Look at the HP/torque on a F550 and they're pretty close to the Chevy. MD trucks are massively detuned because of EPA idle regulations, and these tend to idle a lot. Want to pull 31 to 37K buy a 3500 HD, sounds weird right?
I developed that truck I worked for navistar who developed these trucks. They are really not made for pulling they are made for hauling like box trucks or small dump but these use a Navistar chassis
Hey thanks you for the feedback ! We can for sure understand that concept. With the engine that has high potential and a strong frame we are gonna throw some power at it and get it there!
I think what Chris is getting at is that the truck is not rated to tow based on its GCWR. It has a higher GVWR. It is irrelevant if the truck will pull the weight if the truck isn't rated from the factory for it. In the event of an accident all the lawyers will look at is the GCWR and if you had exceeded it. You get stopped by the DOT all they will look at is what you weigh compared to the GCWR. People always claim vehicles don't hold up but then don't use them for their intended purpose.
That engine is designed to run wot all day every day for around 350 thousand miles you hot rod it up it will loose engine and transmission longevity. Navistar tested and adjusted these settings to optimize low cost of ownership high vehicle up time.
I’ve been a fan of Jason Wehrli and WCFAB forever. Jason has walked and talked me through several LLY and LML issues. However it appears the WCFAB lost interest in the LML after the big EPA purge. Does the WCFAB products work in your applications?
We have one of these but it’s in the form of a 35 foot Motorhome. It’s 13 feet tall with a bunk over and 4x4. Loaded for camping we should be around 20k lbs. here in Colorado I personally feel like it has great power. I can set the cruise at 72 and go anywhere with zero drama. My temps stay good and it very rarely downshifts. We came from a 30 foot gas ford V10 Class A so maybe I’m just stoked about being able to go more than 30 over the mountain.
I don’t want to see what is “cool”, I want to see what keeps the truck functional. I bought mine to use for work, I tow with it, haul heavy loads on the bed, and will use it as a replacement for my chase truck in Mexico. I need reliability. I love seeing that you guys have a genuine interest in making these trucks better but please make it functional, obtainable power for the working guys that own them. Looking forward to seeing progress!
I just got one of these for pulling a 30 yard dumpster trailer... I had no idea it was de rated ... I will be running it hard maxed out and have been... I understood when you said it’s like you hit a brick wall at 70 with a load ... I just switched from Fords for 27yrs because I’m tired of how under-engineered Navistar has become since the 6.0 scam. I’m trying to get the lost power but I don’t want smoke or nasty smelling fumes... Lmk what you think
i have been researching these trucks since day 1 what you said here confirms what others have said less confidently then you and i have been wanting to get 1 with l5p injectors or possibly higher flow if i could find a reasonable price and 67 turbo i like the duramax tuners version and a matching airhorn after waranty exires a delete maybe but until then a pulsar v3
I have this truck pull a 5th wheel and travel in a pickup camper. did you upgrade to pull like a a 1 ton? I hate how this pulls my 18000 lbs camper up hills.
A Ford power stroke? Thought you wanted a tow truck. Not a new pair of walking shoes🤣🤣🤣🤣 Chevy GMC 4L😁😁😁 great information about how it's underpower from the factory.👍
I have one of the long wheelbase crewcabs and its for sure a turd. I vote good sized single. It is a MDT and meant to be reliable, big single is less moving parts to break. It can have all the turbo lag in the world and it would still make more power earlier than these do stock. Gas half tons outpull these stock.
its a SHAME how underpowered these truck are!! put a big single turbo on it and get RID of all that crap behind the turbo! then you'll have a real tow pig!
It is not a Top kick or Kodiak like you like to call it. Why not call a Cruze a malibu? This is a Silverado medium duty. Now that said, i pretty well agree with the underlying rational of this video.
POS, just turned 100k in my 4500. Nothing but trouble out of the “SAFETY” BS. From the dpf putting it in limp mode to the wheel sensors making it go into reduce power . Never will I buy another Duramax. I put 300k on my Cummins and never had no more than a water pump and wheel bearing replaced. I’m goin back to ram as soon as I can find a dealer that swap with me.
Medium duty trucks are rated differently than pickups for some EPA duty cycle reason...not really sure why. Dodge chassis cab 4500 & 5500s are the same...derated. Those have less horsepower & torque than the standard output Cummins in the 2500. So GM didn't produce a dog because of their own choice, their hands were tied. As the consumer, you should have all the right to improve upon that.
100% reason why we bought the this platform. Room for improvement is in the hundreds of horsepower with simple up grades. We wanted the L5p engine just did not like the body styles of the 3500 Dually so the 5500 was a fit for us.
The Ram 45 and 5500s have a 100 more ft/lbs of torque than these things do. They get the torque sooner too. A ram 5500 or and f550 will take one of these to gapplebees.
What ever you guys do please let us know because, like I said in a previous comment we own the very same truck with a 12 ft. Concrete Bed it. The thing won’t literally get out of it own way here in Michigan where the hill are small nothing like Tennessee has, so with that being said we diffidently are interested in some kind of tune or being able to change out the Turbo and Injectors. I told my son we should have drove them all before buying one, I actually thought well all of our other trucks with Duramax Motors have been absolutely Monsters then along come this Turd. Frustrating as he heck.
We have it tore down currently sir , to be realist we first are swapping to a 2500 charger they are bigger on the compressor side , housing is bigger , turbine is the same . We will stay stock fuel and see what type of games we make. These trucks do require some modifications over the 2500 to make it all work ! Parts are will be sent off to powder coat so as soon as they arrive we will be back on the dyno see the results !
Switch to a Ford. The Chevy hd trucks have a legal max combined weight rating (so truck, payload, trailer all combined) of 30k. Not worth the $ you are investing just to get pulled over for being over the trucks capacity’s.
You can pay when registering for additional GCWR. DMV's will ignore anything for money basically. I talked to highway patrol and they said its 100% legal and done all the time.
To pull mount 🦅 with the performance your expecting better show up with something in the 1500-1800lb of torque range. 1000lb and a automatic transmission ain't going to cut it
We have it tore down currently to those keeping up with the build , to be realist we first are swapping to a 2500 charger they are bigger on the compressor side , housing is bigger , turbine is the same . We will stay stock fuel and see what type of games we make. These trucks do require some modifications over the 2500 to make it all work ! Parts are will be sent off to powder coat so as soon as they arrive we will be back on the dyno see the results !
Hoping for an update soon. I'm in TN and just ordered 2x CV515's for company hauling. Super interested to see what you're going to do with it!
@@CRAZYDIRTHEAD We’ve got this completed with a 2500 series charger just have to get you guys the video released . It’s literally finished and just has to make it on the dyno for everyone to see !!!
@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE I keep checking back to see it.
@@parkerolsen4138 Hang in there it’s coming !!
I own one of these for work. I pull a 21k tri axle dump trailer and when loaded to the gills I’ll hit the scale at 38-40,000 lbs it’s completely stock. I’m not upset about the lack of power but more would always be nice. So I’ll looking forward to see what becomes available for this rig.
Same here sir , we are in the final stages of getting it running !
I’m a power hungry man just like the rest of the guys who buy pickups trucks for just a daily driver a work truck and a work truck that when you step on it loaded or empty that will pin you in the seat on a hill loaded and flat walk off like a hot rod gas engine. Check on plug and play aftermarket with a larger turbo. What ever the upgrade we all hope that it’s a setup reasonable enough that you can offer to the public for sale as a kit with several different power level options. It’s real easy to spend someone’s else’s money. I have a 2019 GMC 3500HD dual wheel one ton I’m interested in upgrading my power level on. Not for racing but to be able to keep up with anyone not pulling a load while I’m pulling my 32ft gooseneck duel wheel loaded maybe a bit overloaded. Just a bit over. Anyway I am watching to see what way that you go with it power wise.
Make us proud.
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These are gorgeous trucks. I just wish they came with the same oomph the L5Ps. Looking forward to you waking this big girl up a bit.
Thank you sir !!! We appreciate you dropping in !
RIP chevy kodiak 2009ish i think? Those were and will always be the coolest chevy/gmc ever made. The cab space was mint!
Kodiaks used the express van cab
Honestly, IMHO, compounds is the way to go on a tow rig. Best way to get truly efficient power through all gears, lower EGT better fuel economy etc., plus, who doesn’t want 2 turbos. 366 with a 475/488 and be done. Obviously supporting mods too haha. But then again, it’s not my money I’m spending so I got tons of ideas hahaha
I like where your going with this !!! Thank you for the feed back !
@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE can’t wait to see what you come up with. I’m slowly but surely getting my Ram 2500 done. Working with a fireman’s budget so it’s a work in progress hahaha.
@@NUNBUTMEAT We totally understand sir ! Money doesn’t grow on trees but when you do get it done it shall be worth it!
@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE yea, I’m excited. I wish y’all nothing but good things and can’t wait to see what you come up with on the L5D
@@NUNBUTMEAT thank you sir !!
At least you have a truck to work on. Ordered a 5500Hd in April 2021 and my order was canceled in January by GMC because the 2022 models were coming out. You would think they would have kept me in line for a 2022. Had to reorder. Still waiting. Please let us know how your build turns out.
Will do sir !! Thank you for following the channel let us know when yours arrives!
Look at the HP/torque on a F550 and they're pretty close to the Chevy. MD trucks are massively detuned because of EPA idle regulations, and these tend to idle a lot. Want to pull 31 to 37K buy a 3500 HD, sounds weird right?
I developed that truck I worked for navistar who developed these trucks. They are really not made for pulling they are made for hauling like box trucks or small dump but these use a Navistar chassis
Hey thanks you for the feedback ! We can for sure understand that concept. With the engine that has high potential and a strong frame we are gonna throw some power at it and get it there!
I think what Chris is getting at is that the truck is not rated to tow based on its GCWR. It has a higher GVWR. It is irrelevant if the truck will pull the weight if the truck isn't rated from the factory for it. In the event of an accident all the lawyers will look at is the GCWR and if you had exceeded it. You get stopped by the DOT all they will look at is what you weigh compared to the GCWR.
People always claim vehicles don't hold up but then don't use them for their intended purpose.
That engine is designed to run wot all day every day for around 350 thousand miles you hot rod it up it will loose engine and transmission longevity. Navistar tested and adjusted these settings to optimize low cost of ownership high vehicle up time.
I’ve been a fan of Jason Wehrli and WCFAB forever. Jason has walked and talked me through several LLY and LML issues. However it appears the WCFAB lost interest in the LML after the big EPA purge. Does the WCFAB products work in your applications?
We have one of these but it’s in the form of a 35 foot Motorhome. It’s 13 feet tall with a bunk over and 4x4. Loaded for camping we should be around 20k lbs. here in Colorado I personally feel like it has great power. I can set the cruise at 72 and go anywhere with zero drama. My temps stay good and it very rarely downshifts. We came from a 30 foot gas ford V10 Class A so maybe I’m just stoked about being able to go more than 30 over the mountain.
'i personally feel like' doesn't apply when we're taking in Absolutes. It may suit you we'll, but fact is it's under powered.
Gas and diesel engines are different animals, hard to compare. A more useful comparison would be Duramax 5500 vs power stroke F550
Just got the same truck , Thx for great info !
Yes sir thank you for watching !!
Why not put a stealth 67 & the good exhaust manifolds step up the injectors keep it stock appearance? It would still make 500 to 550 wouldn't it?
Good question sir we ended up making 550+ with a stock 2500 charger
If it is a 5500 HD, why do you all it a medium duty truck? Is it because it's not a semi?
On thee 5500 L5P what is its maximum towing weight?
shit my at4 never gets over 180 degrees, never figured out why its soo cool and it lives with a 16" dump trailer on it.
I don’t want to see what is “cool”, I want to see what keeps the truck functional. I bought mine to use for work, I tow with it, haul heavy loads on the bed, and will use it as a replacement for my chase truck in Mexico. I need reliability.
I love seeing that you guys have a genuine interest in making these trucks better but please make it functional, obtainable power for the working guys that own them.
Looking forward to seeing progress!
We have a 2500 charger off the trucks going on it sir . We will show results when we get it completed !
@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE good deal! Are these upgrades requiring an injector upgrade also or can we use factory l5p injectors?
@@northstarbuilder Factory ones will work sir , just have to open up the pulse width !
@@northstarbuilder Factory will work sir
Any news on this? Needing to develop a plan before the Baja season starts.
I ❤ WCB and Duramax Tuner
I just got one of these for pulling a 30 yard dumpster trailer... I had no idea it was de rated ... I will be running it hard maxed out and have been... I understood when you said it’s like you hit a brick wall at 70 with a load ... I just switched from Fords for 27yrs because I’m tired of how under-engineered Navistar has become since the 6.0 scam. I’m trying to get the lost power but I don’t want smoke or nasty smelling fumes... Lmk what you think
I haven’t reached out but Banks may have a plug and play device if not reach out to Calibrated Power Solutions EXT 2121 tell them PBP sent you!
Big fan of the channel all the way from Canada keep up the good content !
Thank you Mike we greatly appreciate it !!
I still love it! Definitely excited to see what the results arewhen yall do your upgrades. I have a 2019 duramax and I pull 14k all day long.
My point exactly a stock L5P does work ! Thanks for the feedback sir
The medium duty trucks can tow but the 3500 can tow more than them legally because if the rating
Definitely a compound setup.
Another great video! Keep up the good work! 🇺🇸💪🏼🦅🇺🇸
Thank you Scott ✊✊
Tbh I am
Kinda interested in getting a md Silverado eventually but I would love to see what upgrade I can potently do to one and still keep it legal
i have been researching these trucks since day 1 what you said here confirms what others have said less confidently then you and i have been wanting to get 1 with l5p injectors or possibly higher flow if i could find a reasonable price and 67 turbo i like the duramax tuners version and a matching airhorn after waranty exires a delete maybe but until then a pulsar v3
I have this truck pull a 5th wheel and travel in a pickup camper. did you upgrade to pull like a a 1 ton? I hate how this pulls my 18000 lbs camper up hills.
We have yet , we have everything ready to go just time to do it !! Soon though
A Ford power stroke? Thought you wanted a tow truck. Not a new pair of walking shoes🤣🤣🤣🤣 Chevy GMC 4L😁😁😁 great information about how it's underpower from the factory.👍
I have one of the long wheelbase crewcabs and its for sure a turd. I vote good sized single. It is a MDT and meant to be reliable, big single is less moving parts to break. It can have all the turbo lag in the world and it would still make more power earlier than these do stock. Gas half tons outpull these stock.
Feeling the same sir !
But! Will it be still clean idle certified after the compounds? I'd like to see it with compounds
Register it somewhere that doesn't require emissions. Not difficult.
You should do a compound set up, they spool fast down low and up high. They are more efficient than a single s400 overall
I would love to see it as a compliment truck that just can breath better and exhale better without deleting it first. Just a basic upgrade package.
I would like to see what a compound setup would do.
Same here sir !
Do you know if the L5P turbo is a direct swap?
@@edwinmchazlett1749 Yes sir just bigger
Let see those compounds!
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I want to see the truck with the mods. Where's the next video?
oh plus working on is a dream compared to 1 ton and smaller i own the 1 ton version it gorgios and powerful but an nightmare to work on
Any progress on this build???
Not just yet !
@@POINTBLANKPERFORMANCE damn 🥺 keep me posted! I’m very excited for this build!!! Hope you also do a ram4500/5500 build in the future!
@@toofastnobrakes Hopefully sooner than later and will do sir !!!
Are you that short or is this truck TALL ?
Just that short sir !
Compounds all day
That’s has been the forced lol answer lol ! Thanks for the feedback !!
Compounds!!
If it’s meant to tow compounds all the way
its a SHAME how underpowered these truck are!! put a big single turbo on it and get RID of all that crap behind the turbo!
then you'll have a real tow pig!
Amen!
Please do compounds 🙏
All the turbos !!
It is not a Top kick or Kodiak like you like to call it. Why not call a Cruze a malibu? This is a Silverado medium duty. Now that said, i pretty well agree with the underlying rational of this video.
100 % right we have one and it sucks period
POS, just turned 100k in my 4500. Nothing but trouble out of the “SAFETY” BS. From the dpf putting it in limp mode to the wheel sensors making it go into reduce power . Never will I buy another Duramax. I put 300k on my Cummins and never had no more than a water pump and wheel bearing replaced. I’m goin back to ram as soon as I can find a dealer that swap with me.
I would by one if the towing was in competition with ram or ford other wise it is too low
Next week we will be dropping a video showing how to get it there !
Medium duty trucks are rated differently than pickups for some EPA duty cycle reason...not really sure why. Dodge chassis cab 4500 & 5500s are the same...derated. Those have less horsepower & torque than the standard output Cummins in the 2500. So GM didn't produce a dog because of their own choice, their hands were tied. As the consumer, you should have all the right to improve upon that.
100% reason why we bought the this platform. Room for improvement is in the hundreds of horsepower with simple up grades. We wanted the L5p engine just did not like the body styles of the 3500 Dually so the 5500 was a fit for us.
The Ram 45 and 5500s have a 100 more ft/lbs of torque than these things do. They get the torque sooner too. A ram 5500 or and f550 will take one of these to gapplebees.
i wanna see BIG turbo …..no compound
What ever you guys do please let us know because, like I said in a previous comment we own the very same truck with a 12 ft. Concrete Bed it. The thing won’t literally get out of it own way here in Michigan where the hill are small nothing like Tennessee has, so with that being said we diffidently are interested in some kind of tune or being able to change out the Turbo and Injectors. I told my son we should have drove them all before buying one, I actually thought well all of our other trucks with Duramax Motors have been absolutely Monsters then along come this Turd. Frustrating as he heck.
We have it tore down currently sir , to be realist we first are swapping to a 2500 charger they are bigger on the compressor side , housing is bigger , turbine is the same . We will stay stock fuel and see what type of games we make. These trucks do require some modifications over the 2500 to make it all work ! Parts are will be sent off to powder coat so as soon as they arrive we will be back on the dyno see the results !
Switch to a Ford. The Chevy hd trucks have a legal max combined weight rating (so truck, payload, trailer all combined) of 30k. Not worth the $ you are investing just to get pulled over for being over the trucks capacity’s.
You can pay when registering for additional GCWR. DMV's will ignore anything for money basically. I talked to highway patrol and they said its 100% legal and done all the time.
To pull mount 🦅 with the performance your expecting better show up with something in the 1500-1800lb of torque range. 1000lb and a automatic transmission ain't going to cut it
I’m thinking 600 to 650 HP and 1300 - 1400
Torque and she would be awesome to tow with ! But thank you for the feedback sir !
Big single please
All the whistle !!!
Compounds
Thanks for the reply sir !!! We shall see!
Just make the Chevy make more power those numbers make me sick and I’m a Chevy guy
Sell it man not worth it in the end having a 100k truck with no warranty
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its not underpowered for city workers lol
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