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- The Next Mass Effect is a game that we still know very little about - But one question that keeps popping up on this channel is whether Mass Effect 4 could include TIME TRAVEL - So, let's talk about it.
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Shepard slaps side of time machine: Hop in, we're going back in time to save Thane, Legion and Mordin
Mean Girls vibes ❤️❤️❤️🤣
U know dan, i hate u for killing Tali, u monster >~>
At that moment the time machine opens and out pops a probe, which projects a holographic message from Legion. "Shepard Commander, it is I or Tali. I have chosen to sacrifice myself and I will be very angry if you try to stop me."
Like the ending of Deadpool 2
Then we'll bang, ok?
I consider introducing time travel to the franchise that wasn't designed with it in mind as a shortcut to creating an unmanageable mess of possible or loose ends that ruins the cohesion of previous and future installments at the same time. I don't absolutely hate the idea, but the chances of it going very wrong are sky high.
Going back in time and altering events doesn't destroy the future the crew would have come from, nor does it alter it. That future that was always exists in parallel to the new future created by altering things in the past. Liara and Javik have a way of bringing the crew back by melding the two timelines into one new reality with everything back home as they left it, minus the reapers. How that happens is for the story writers. I'm just the idea guy.
Yeah, time travel is stupid and have never worked in any franchise.
Agree. I prefer for them, to return to original concept of the unknown threat from dark space.
@@frederikcamilodahl3551 WRONG.
@@johnspartan98 Ok, the tell me one time it turn out good?
Okay, so here's the thing about Mass Effect dark energy propulsion: We say ships travel faster-than-light because that's what they do *relative* to the rest of the universe. *Locally*, however, the ship travels at relativistic speeds, because a consequence of messing with E=mc^2 like eezo does is that when you reduce the mass of a thing without reducing its energy, by necessity, the speed of light (the c in E=mc^2) is forced to go up (and vice versa if you increase mass) for the math to keep making sense.
This is why Mass Effect FTL doesn't create time dilation problems or time travelling paradoxes, because the ships envelop themselves in bubbles of isolated spacetime where the speed of light is massively greater than in the "normal" universe. For an outside observer, the ship is travelling at many thousands of times faster than the speed of light, but inside the FTL bubble, the ship is travelling well below the *local* speed of light.
The Mass Effect 3 after credits scene does show an elderly man telling a child that he would tell him one more story about the Shepard before bed. I think it was a bit of an easter egg to say he would be back one day, with another adventure. Now this is of course contingent on Bioware remembering and honoring that egg.
I was wondering when this theory would be pushed in. But the problem with time travel is that it creates to many unknown variables that are just to vast to negotiate.
that depends on how you deal with time travel. If the grandpa paradox is considered real or not.
remove all the other options but destroy and Shepard along with the crew of the Normandy are flung to the future and to the same world.
Because of Shepard's suit s/he survives the teleporting trip.
EDI picks up on Shepard's signal and they find him alive but badly hurt.
Once the Normandy SR-2 is repaired but has a crippled engine they limp back which takes months from wherever they landed.
This would give Shepard time to heal and to pick up on com channels allowing them to find 600 years have passed.
Forwarded time travel, leaves no loopholes while giving us a new opportunity of stories.
The people who went to andromeda, creates a mass effect relay, allowing them to travel back to the milky way. They will meet Liara who is now 600 years older. The relay let you travel from the milky way to the andromeda galaxy
They would need tow relays, one built in the milky way as well. Even if its a one way beacon like it wqs on the citadel.
What if the destructive wave that strands the Normandy on the unknown planet also sent them forward in time by reacting with the eezo
that would be 🤯
How Futurama-esque.😂
This actually is not terrible. Because it's clearly a 1 time anomaly. No way back. The shock wave used to destroy the Reapers cannot be repeated in anyone's lifetime. So this isn't a means of meddling with previous plots. It's a Captain America on ice. But consistent with ME lore and story.
that would be a great way for them to bring back the crew, because if the game is set possibly centuries in the future, then the crew (except for Liara, Wrex, and Grunt) would have died
@@adot704 did a Google search humans and turians Can live op to 150 years in Mass effect so still a little hope for Old man Garrus and quarians Can live op to 99-120 years so even a little hope for Tali
As I recall from the Initiative website one of their long term goals was to establish a trade route between the Milky Way and Andromeda. While time travel is interesting it seems like they were always going to connect the 2 in some way. I don't think time travel will be a thing. My guess is if Shepard returns it will be in flashbacks or a VI. If that. I'm sure Mark & Jennifer will return in some capacity (Asari, Salarian, etc) but I will be surprised if it's as Shepard. But I wouldn't be mad if they did... Unless it was dumb, lol.
Indeed, that was one of the main goals of the Initiative so we could simply just see that come to fruition
@@MrHulthen Fingers crossed. Especially since Gamble seems to be implying as much. I cannot wait to see where they take the series. And where Mark & Jennifer show up next.
I want Shep at least as the AI trainer/commenter in the new MC's suit.
The closets thing to "time travel" on Mass Effect and our world, is dilation of time due to gravity.
M.E. ships works on manipulating gravity to create warp bubbles to go FTL. But even you can have minot time dilation due to relativity and all paradoxes due to going FTL.
This is my headcannon theory of how we can connect The Milky Way and Andromeda without having 600 years passed. And it is a theory based on the Thesis of our Friend Conrad Verner.
In his thesis, he said that Element Zero and Mass Effect Fields have a relativistic effect (meaning that time could slow down) - and in the theory I propose, is that the Arks did not travel to Andromeda for 600 years, but less, even around a Decade and not 6 centuries.
My explanation: This relativistic effect would make the "inner clocks" of the Arks to go faster while the rest of the universe would have "normal time" - and the reason for that journey of 600 years was the calculation of the relativistic effect (and not knowing if those 600 years would truly past or not) (and of course. It would dissuade anyone wanting to return to the Milky Way)
Love the ideas and theories again @MrHulthen . 😊
As for FTL, it's actually not breaking anything theoretically: When we see light, it's actually already in the past. For instance, when you look at Mars from Earth, we are seeing it in the past and the time it would take normally to get there would make it the future and in same vein if you look from Mars to Earth you'd see Earth in the past.
FTL would bypass the time dilation, meaning you'd reach the point of interest from where you last saw it in real time, hence being able to show up like within minutes, same with the FTL communication.
Mass Effect takes this theory and uses the relays to propell and protect the ships using it with element zero because the amount of force and stopping power would tear ships apart, that's why the ships basically get a biotic shield around them, using the element and the reactors.
As for Andromeda when the arks left the last relay they was going on the assumptions of a get telescope that used refractive FTL data to see what was happening at the time, what the Andromeda Initiative didn't take into account that what they saw wouldn't be same because they weren't going FTL only the Geth data.
Sorry for big comment, I love theoretical space travel and sci fi so I geek out. 😅
I don't think that the characters would time travel all the way before the first cycle to stop the harvests. This is simply because all the races in the galaxy are the way they are because every event played out in a certain way. Basically, if we go and stop the Leviathans from creating the Catalyst, then some old civilization would have had the chance to colonize Earth before humans evolved, essentially preventing humans from existing in the first place because they would terraform the planet to their own needs.
Thank you, someone who pays attention to plot lol
There absolutely won't be a time travel plot, it's just so absurd.
+Why wouldn't the reapers have done that already?
+Why would BioWare say "all that trilogy? Oh uh, yeah that didn't happen"
+This all seems predicated on bringing Shepard back and directly linking it to andromeda. Neither of those things will be happening.
Just a theory at the end of Mass Effect Andromeda we see a little shot of the Kett high command and so maybe we might get our "bad guys" from here and maybe is the Andromeda crew that goes back to Milky Galaxy looking for help.
Shepard coming to the future to kick some ass and then peace out back to the past sounds amazingly baddass
I don't see time travel as a realistic possibility. But flashbacks and video recording would be a way to give legacy characters cameos
At the risk of sounding like the Reaper child: "There is another solution" - time dilation. We know nothing about the planet the Normandy crash-lands on. It could be close to a black hole, like Miller's Planet in Interstellar, causing time on the planet to move very slowly. We also don't know how long Joker and the others stay on this planet before taking off. Maybe it's just a few days or a year to them, but several centuries to the outside world, and BAM, we're in the future with the Andromeda Initiative.
Yeah there's no reason for time travel, I agree that the frozen Shep is a better idea with tech already introduced into the universe. It would also avoid a repeat of the Lazarus Project. Because with that, they'd just need to find a single cell of Shep somewhere and they could rebuild him - that's how ridiculous the Lazarus Project is.
Easiest way IMO is to explain how the crucible worked to destroy the Reapers.
1) It uses the colossal amount of Eezo inside it to create a gravitational wave that encoded a destroy/control/synthesis signal for the Reapers.
2) In order to create this wave, you need the mass equivalent of two black holes merging. So there is going to be a lot of space-time distortion going on.
3) In order to encode the information to send it to the the Reapers, the crucible had to create a bubble of relative safety around it, but around it time flows a lot faster. (Like the water planet in Interstellar)
4) This bubble gets flung off once the wave has been created and hits one of the frozen objects in the solar system. Time is still travelling insanely quickly for this bubble so this is imperceptible to all observers.
5) After 640 (roughly the time that the events of Andromeda take place) years or so, observers finally see what happened to the bubble and where it landed.
6) This bubble contains either: Shepard (destroy ending), a non-corporeal form of Shepard(control), or what is left of Shepard once he/she has merged themselves with the energy of the crucible.
7) Andromeda initiative meanwhile has almost completed the construction of a mass relay based on the technology they found in their new home when it starts spinning and has an energy burst that activates its corridor to the milky way. The signal contained enough information that they could figure out exactly what happened in the Milky way.
8) The Mass relay they constructed in Andromeda, when it activated, interacted with the scourge and brings it into the Milky way where it starts taking over.
9) In order to start understanding the scourge, the Geth are needed because the star that is first affected by the scourge is Dholen (Haestrom system).
Surviving original trilogy squad members would be Liara/Grunt/Wrex/EDI(if applicable)
Bummer for Destroy Shepard and his/her crew, but this way allows us to place that Shepard in the easiest timeline to reconcile, without introducing any time travel plot holes. Shepard losing his/her crew to time is a real way of personifying the loss of life in the galaxy after a cataclysmic war. In this ending, in the Milky Way, the Geth survive, but are seriously annoyed because the blast destroyed their awakening and turned them back to the AI state they were before the Reaper upgrades. Shepard's job is to get the Geth working with Organics whilst dealing with the loss of their crew. Gameplay wise, this Shepard is the main character, with Liara as a squad mate.
Non-corporeal form of Shepard has almost no attachments to his/her former crew, or even organic life. Upon opening the time bubble, this Shepard re-assembles themselves from background energy now is basically like Dr Manhattan from Watchman. And it is the other crew, specifically Liara who has to now cope with their friend/lover who barely has an emotional connection with them. This Shepard knows this but battles to do anything about it. Organic/synthetic relationships are tepid at best, with a lot of fear coming from Organics from the Geth, and the Geth don't help by taking over (if benevolently) the computer systems of organics to try and keep them in check. Shepard can easily talk to the Geth, but without the emotional connection, has lost his/her ability to lead organics. And therefore, battles to convince either side to work together. Gameplay wise, the story is told through Liara as the main character, with Shepard being a squad mate. Liara's job is to try and reconnect with Shepard to convince the Geth to work together.
Synthesis Shepard effectively exists as a part of every single living/non living organism as a result of the synthesis ending. But once the time bubble is shut down, the leftover energy from this Shepard moves to the closest organism and deposits what remains of Shepard into them. This would be Liara. Shepard is not alive but Liara would have access to who Shepard is and would know exactly what Shepard would think about and do in this situation (this manifests as Shepard dictating their thoughts to Liara). Even though organics and synthetics have more of an understanding with each other and do talk, they still have wildly different objectives and goals for themselves. Gameplay wise, Liara is the main character, but gets a lot of Shepard dialog based on her decisions as well as additional dialog options reflecting the choices that Shepard would have made in that scenario.
The Andromeda initiative meanwhile has a problem in that the Kett see a galaxy that is ripe for the conquering. The Characters from the Andromeda initiative need the resources of the Milky way to fight them and go and join Shepard/Liara.
This doesn't have any plot holes because the time travel event was a one time event and only jumps into the future relative to Shepard, so causality isn't broken. It also respects the decisions made by players in the past games. In terms of romantic arcs, if Liara is alive and was Shepard's romantic option in ME3. As well as one of the Ryder twins, who goes off to help events in the Milky way as a squad member(can be either of them, but romantic options from previous ME:A are still in effect, so choices are limited). As well as nothing (in this option Liara settles down with someone else) Obviously this only applies to Destroy Shepard.
Destroy Shepard's story concludes by:
Settling down with Liara and living out the rest of their life/ Settling down with one of the Ryder twins and starting a family/Staying with Liara and her family.
Non-corporeal Shepard's story is concluded with it forming the emotional connection he/she had with Liara at the end and finally being at peace.
Synthesis Shepard remains the same memories as Liara and guides her along with her family
If Ryder was gonna time travel back to the Reaper war timeline, we would already know about it...
I love time travel stories but... not in Mass Effect. If I had to choose I would probably pick a multiverse theory where male Shepherd has the opportunity to team up with female Shepard. Could you imagine interaction between paragon Shep and renegade Shep? It would be hilarious
The atmospheric processors in Andromeda could fix the planets in Milky Way. And by time travel they could instantly gain access to that technology.
But the post-Reaper War galaxy has no knowledge of that technology. Unless people in Andromeda time travel back to Mikly Way to find out why they can't contact them, the two galaxies won't be aware of eachother's situation.
Ryder: we can use this time machine to stop the Reapers stop the...
Shepherd: no Ryder I will not
Ryder: you could save everyone you have loss you
Shepherd(yelling): you think I don't know that
Ryder: ok why don't we ask the people of our crews
Joker: I agree with Shepherd
Yay saving Shepard and somewhat the whole crew
An option is a time travel device could be invented shortly after the end of the war but it isnt capiable of bringing you back to a point before its invention. That would allow you to incorperate it to connect andromeda and the milky way but not change anything in the original trilogy.
that could be achieved simply having a moral code and knowing that changing the past is too dangerous because it has unpredictable consequences.
@@littlemouse7066 i guess, personally I'd rather be like a physical limitation because The entire Galaxy just agreeing that going back in time is a bad idea doesn't sound very realistic.
If the the time line is changed , humans may not ever exist.
There were some weird time things that happened in Andromeda. Ships got there at vastly different times but traveled together. And then there’s the audio clips from Shepherd that you can find in Andromeda. I could see them connecting Shepherd,Liara and folks as being the ones that went to Andromeda to terraform the planets and help fight off all the corruption stuff and whatever big baddy they’re bringing next BEFORE the events of the andromeda game. I could see them then putting them in stasis and meeting up with Ryder for some big climax like Inquisition did with Dragon Age 2’s main character.
Wormhole from Andromeda to Milky Way. To me it makes the most sense that the Kett Empire will have an all out war in Andromeda and the Ryder Crew will have to jump through a wormhole back to Milky Way to seek help while at the same time arriving at the current timeline. But wait! The Kett follow them through the wormhole. This way travel could be possible from post ME3 time to Andromeda 600 years in the future.
Stoping previous cycles would only mean that the species of the current milky way would most likely not exist. You would in fact destroy the very thing you wish to save
Another individual who actually pays attention to the plot, nice 👍🏽
there's no way they would burden themselves with time travel plot. If anything they would go with a bit more of 'space magic' and introduce instant teleportation
I have been thinking about my time travel theory lately and came up with idea of some kind of supernova explosion or maybe time dilation field that was encountered by Arks and Nexus during their travel to Andromeda. I mean that the time is relative and maybe 600 years of this travel would be equal to for example 10 years in Milky Way and the Initiative is completely unaware of that fact. Of course this theory have multiple flaws but it allows to create connection of both galaxies, two timelines to be one, and.. meeting Shepard with Ryders :)) Without freezing anybody or altering time lines.
Invoking Time Travel kills franchises for me. Please god. Don't do it Bioware.
I really hope they will not go this route and I think they will not. Anyway (for what is worth) I think the cities we saw in some artwork are not Ilium or other places we know they are new places found in a previously unexplored part of the Milky Way or in another galaxy reached through a previously inactive or new mass relay and the link with Andromeda (if there will be one) could be represented by the Jardaan since we know they are not from Andromeda but from some other place.
I'm still really surprised that we've not seen any updates recently on the game. Surely the game started development mid-2020ish and all we've had in almost 3 years is a short teaser and a couple of concept images 🤔🤔 at this rate, I'd say the games not releasing till 2026-2027 😫😬
I don't think we'll be getting anything significant until after Dragon Age: Dreadwolf is launched. And fingers crossed that turns into a hit & does at least well critically. DA:D is massively important to the future of ME4/5.
I think bringing Shepard back in a straightforward way like that would diminish his(or her) story.
A Shepard VI, or the Shepard/Reaper amalgam might work, but I think erasing the past is a mistake.
I found an interesting theory on a TH-cam video comment section.
In one of the concepts arts they've shown of the planet Thessia you can see a Drell. Whether thatDrell is Thane's son or Feron, the drell have similar lifespans as humans. If so, that would mean we can't be too far into the future and Shepherd and the original trilogy characters could be alive.
BUT maybe I'm wrong
Thane's son would be awesome!
Highly unlikely. By traveling that far back and stopping the creation of the catalyst, then the reapers wouldnt build the Citadel and the Mass relays, so current ME events wouldnt take place, thus not needing to travel back in time to fix things. You'd be effectively creating a time paradox.
After watching The Orville... I actually kinda like the idea of a device sending us back to "a point" in time & that could give us 2 choices...
- wait to be "Saved" & return to our own current timeline.
- change the timeline & create a whole new branching timeline & thus... change the prolomatic ending.
These 2 choices would require an INSANE amount of writing to pull off... but it'd be super interesting!
If possible, you would only be able to travel back to the exact moment in time that time travel became possible because it didn't exist before then.
I suspect we will play as a new character and we will be working with The Shadow Broker, Liara, to track down Shepard and find out what happened to him. Along the way we will be recruiting the old Normandy crew to help our search once they learn Shepard is still alive.
Time for T'soni to invent sth to bring back shepard again!
Honestly, I just want Shep to live their happily ever after and live out their life. Move on. Jump the story ahead 634 years and establish a Mass Relay between Milky Way and Andromeda, let us see Ryder flourishing too, and let us play a whole new character. I’m deeply attached to Shepard and Ryder getting their happy endings and not dealing with any more BS. It’s someone else’s turn.
As I have said, I think one way they could join them is if the Arks only took months to reach Andromedia and the 600 years was a told to AI particpants, and the leader was murdered to stop her from revealing it. And in ME5 we bridge MW and actually same time Andromedia. Just a writers idea, not anything I have seen evidence of.
One thing jumped out at me while replaying the Legendary Edition. While listening to the conversation of the bachelor party bros at the Eternity lounge on Illium, you realize that Asari don't actually look like their depiction in the game. We only see them that way because they manipulate the minds of the other races to make them appear similar to the observer's race. The Turian thinks the dancer looks like a blue Turian, and so on. So I'm not sure that you can accurately judge anything about Liara (age, time passed) due to her appearance.
It's an interesting idea but I always interpreted that as a humorous drunken interaction between bros
In vino veritas.@toyboxskits1341
This theory would be good for the Refuse ending. As last attempt to change their fate they create a mass relay in secret to go back in time.
I'm thinking they should look at adding survival elements to the game. With Reapers gone they could have the Council Races having to deal with the rise of the next cycle.
And these new races would threaten the Council Races as they would be depleted from the war. So having to rebuild while fending off other space fairing civilizations would be interesting to explore.
I agree that Mass Effect doesn't need a time travel story. That just jumps too many sharks and is why many scifi shows/games don't do it. BUT, if someone in ME were to crack the time travel code, we all know it'd be the main man Conrad to do it!
Conrad is the hero we need!
The only surviving crew members then would be Liara and Grunt, as they're the only one's with long enough lifespan to actually meet with Ryder
And Wrex. He is 700 years old in ME3. Krogan can live up to 1400 years
And what? Nakmor Drack is 1400 years old.
No, I reject the time travel idea. Unless it involves a DeLorean the answer is no. 😁😄😆🤣
You yourself said that maybe travelling faster than light might end up in timetravel. I see no problem in discovering a wqy and/or technology that makes either Ryder or Shepard be able to travel between Andromeda and the Milky Way, possibly even meeting each other but in different timelines. Although every time I think about it, just seems way too far fetched.
Please god, lord....spirits....Please please not hack time travel stuff.
"you can't save them all"
Shepard: "Hold my beer..."
Honestly, I have a hard time believing that more than a dozen people actually what team shep to meet up with team God awful stay the hell in Andromeda and never come back.
My theory : parallel universe.
Using the catalyst broke the space time continuum in 3 (one universe for each ending) and we'll have 3 games, one sequel of each ending with the ultimate goal to repair the damages to the universe.
Shepard the new Liu Kang?
Introducing Time Travel is like introducing the Multiverse. Both are very good concepts in their own right. You can make infinite different stories and make them all canon but the problem is that it takes away the importance and tension from the original story. For example, creating a story where Shepard is alive via these two methods would render his sacrifice at the end of Me3 meaningless. But hey, who am I to complain. You come up to me with another Shepard game and I will play it immediately.
If time travel were to be possible in the ME universe, I'd expect Leviathans or Reapers to be the first to use it. Then the whole 50k years cycles would no longer make sense.
Shepard won’t need time travel the next game looks like it will take place 4 years after the reaper war
2:13 bottom left looks like year 2190
And it’s November 7 see N7 another indication of Shepard Returning
A possible time travel story would be to go back to the ME2 point in time, with the crucible design immediately after Liara becomes the Shadow Broker, start building the crucible in secret a few years before the Reaper invasion, do not interfere in any way with Cerberus' war vs the Collectors. Have the crucible completed and perfected just before the Reaper invasion and go visit the star child well before the Reapers and Cerberus take over the Citadel. Kill only the Reapers, save everyone and don't destroy the Mass relays.
If they were to travel to back when the Leviathans created the Reapers, there would be no mass relays as these were made by the Reapers. No Citadel either.
I wish I could time travel to my Cycle, Commander.
it will break mass effect universe if they make time travel possible. terminator universe enter the chat
The best forum for a discussion over temporal mechanics, is over some beers.
Don't you know? They're gonna make a crossover with doctor who!
For real though... Time Travel? Fuck that. I very much prefer to play Shepard's daughter/son. Imagine a quarian as a result of Shepard/Tali relationship.
My personal theory:
Devs will go by the control ending.
1- Shepard mind still alive and could make cameo (as a star child vibe)
2- control explain how everyone could survive. The geth and the organics.
3- the green ending doesn't make much sense to have moro conflict in the future. Is "too stable"
4- destroy make more complicated to explain how the geth survive.
Control is most "natural" option to do a sequel.
I'll quote someone else's words:
«Control can't be canon because having an army of nigh-invincible giant robots ready to defend the galaxy makes fighting any threats too easy.»
@@SeverusHunt depends. Shepard become a god like mind. If the whole is a war between races we have the perfect excuse to make a cameo of Shepard voice saying "I can't chose a side. Galaxy is free from the reapers and a defend every life as igual. You need to resolve your things"
So, control still make sense.
I understand that's not exactly a perfect explanation, but to me is better than "destroy kill all machines, but a few geth survive because a random excuse"
@@SeverusHunt and reapers arent invincible. Just hard to kill. And whiteout cicles no new reapers are formed. Again, a good reason to don't get envolve in everything.
A god like mind could see a war between races as a small event.
All they need is a little plutonium to create a 1.21gigwatt reaction to power the flux capacitor.
Oh wait....
I need to know if anyone saw in the trailer behind liara and what she's walking on are dead reapers. It's faint and quick. Also it seems like the debris field in the trailer is a mass effect drive smashed, or maybe its the presidium tower that go sent to the reaches of space. Either way. It's definitely shepard. There's no other explanation than liara hunting shepard to bring him back like she did in 2.
If you travel in time to stop the reapers in a far long past, It doesn't means that you never are going to meet your crew to chase saren in the first place? (Like a paradox)
But the time-space travel is maybe possible thanks to cornad verner's dark energy dissertation if is used un mass relays, i give you that XD
If you stop the reapers from being created everyone civilization after the leviathans would evolve at a much slower rate. The reapers created the citadel and mass relays to guide new species to faster evolution. No reapers=no citadel and no mass relays
The new relay being built from the teaser photo does not have any channels to fire the ship. Every animation of a ship using a mass replay has it being fired like a gun with the ship as a bullet. What if your time travel idea is correct and the ship instead goes through the middle of the circle.
Yet another great theory video, and the memes edited in are always great!
If we can’t play as Shepard make him a captain Anderson type of character
Interesting.
I've long thought that the solution to the "Mass Effect endings" issue is to sidestep them entirely, and have a time jump, perhaps via the "anomaly" referred to in the 1st Teaser vid, back to a point when the conflict is raging or about to rage, perhaps with additional forces from Andromeda (hence the time jump). There's lots of ways that could go, but it would allow Shepard's story to continue in one or more trilogies, and allow Bioware to save face at the same time. Nothing I've seen so far in the teased content makes this impossible. So, I do think that time travel will play a role in ME4 somehow, but the details? Ah, the delicious details, we'll have to wait and see, but I do think the ME4 intro will be more intense than the ME2 one, as a result. :)
But you can't break laws of physics. But if you do break them then you go to Sweden and pick your Nobel prize. And you get to meet Mr. Hulthen. Which is a bonus. 😁
An interesting theory you've discussed. I'm personally not fond on the idea of introducing time travel into the Mass Effect universe - it'll cause a lot of storyline complications.
next thing you know the citadel is rebuilt over earth minus citadel holo boy, humanity has started shooting citadel objects to palaven, thessia, Rannoch etc. Built a very compensatory mass relay gate to andromeda and somewhere close but not in the sol system maybe methuselah and other galaxies.
I think a good idea to sorta implement time travel is some sort of time dilation for which when the andromeda initiative crossed two galaxies in 600 years, they went though dark space which since let's not forget that time dilation does exist in our universe, the amount of time lost in space which is completely dark could equal to where the 600 year travel could equal 2 years in the milky way and that's how the dates could line up in the relay teaser with two trips from m to a and a to m that are dilated to a point where we can see our favs again...
EXCEPT JACOB, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T COME BACK.
No idea what it means, but I remember this in Ender's Game. "Time dilation goes back to Einstein’s theory of special relativity, which teaches us that motion through space actually creates alterations in the flow of time. The faster you move through the three dimensions that define physical space, the more slowly you’re moving through the fourth dimension, time--at least relative to another object. Time is measured differently for the twin who moved through space and the twin who stayed on Earth. The clock in motion will tick more slowly than the clocks we’re watching on Earth. If you’re able to travel near the speed of light, the effects are much more pronounced. "
How to match up Andromeda with Shepard arc requires a deeper understanding of a comment I made earlier today. Andromeda was already connected via the "thought" fragments Li'ara Tsoni, Ryder's Dad & etc in ME 4. On the basis of speed, time, space and force possibilities of Quantum Entanglement hypothesized in the Mass Effect stories. All of this stuff could have been happening literally, instantaneously, unless one's being was being governed by the forces of physics in a property being governed under the laws of SOL (speed of light). Hence the ending of ME3 where the old guy tell "his sweet" that Shepard happened a long time ago, while looking at the universe of Stars in the quantum world where Shepard was now resident and fully materialized (somewhere else). And perhaps that's why that line was included at the end; when he told the kid: that's a story for another time...or place.
I don’t want time travel so many franchises suffered from it also it would make a lot of stuff obsolete
I think that would be “jumping the shark”!
Would be a neat idea, but honestly, it's highly unlikely they would go this direction
Not a fan of Time Travel fixing plots that don't need fixing, but if they did do it, I think it's fairly easy to reconcile:
The Normandy, already IS in the future. That whole endgame crashing on a random planet thing? they were flung by an overloaded Mass Relay.
Shepard is dead, or left behind (if you got that survival ending).
But Shepards mind and will have also been imprinted on the MilkyWay Galaxy, and possibly the Andromeda Galaxy too.
His Paragon Virtue (blue ending) His Renegade Will (red ending) and his inclusive impartiality (green ending) Could all have happened to a degree.
Then your ME3 ending save just dictates which ending is the most common, or took hold in the seats of galactic power.
And the ME3 and MEA crews, just need to travel around absorbing enough of the aspects of Shepard, to manifest him again, in some form, to fight a new threat.
I thought about this theory too if they’re bringing Shepard back. I feel like cause of the fan base and the disappointment with Andromeda, this is definitely a possibility of bringing Shepard back unless they can somehow revive themselves with Ryder. I was thinking like what if with the implant, they uploaded Shepard’s conscious or being & they’re looking for that implant to make another Shepard. Far stretch, I know 😅
They take the shepherd VI 😂
Shepard survives anyway with the perfect ending.
I’m guessing if they bring back Shepard either through cloning or Lazarus’ing him again they’d just phase out aging entirely. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did away with andromeda entirely either. It happens 600 years in the future from me3 so they don’t need to worry about stepping on any toes
I thought of an extra reason why the resolution of the plot of ME3 fits in with your "AI going back in time to destroy all organic life" idea. The dilemma to ME3 is basically that synthetics will keep destroying organics. Now, the proper solution and correct ME3 plot interpretation, I think, is that it is both an active choice and cultural achievement to have people convinced of the idea that a peaceful society wherein everybody can pursue their own life path is possible and valuable. This can be seen with all major missions, from the Krogan, to the Geth/Quarian, to the Prothean's cultural transformation of the Asari. It can also be seen within individuals, such as Shepard's clone being doomed to fail because he isn't convinced of the same ideas as Shepard, just like with Wreav in relation to Wrex. Now, if, as Jefferson allegedly said, that "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", then your AI idea fits well with the plot resolution continuity idea that peace between cultures/species is an achievement, as your idea could be an interesting "threat" to the vigilance required to safeguard the ME3 plot achievement of cultural peace. Would be happy to hear your thoughts on this
As a physicist I can say, that I see no way for time travel using Element Zero. What you described at the beginning is just an Alcubier drive (known also as Warp). Using in you technically don't exceed the speed of light, since the space bubble itself do it (and it's not forbidden by relativity) and that is not a time travel. As for mass relays, with no mass you also travelling at "just" speed of light, so it is more like a wormhole (Einstein-Rosen bridge, also possible according to relativity) And assuming, with use of ezo you can have negative mass, I suppose it's most likely, that due to inverted gravity you will just disintegrate.
Also for me personally time travel just don't fit ME universe (besides it creates A LOT of paradoxes, that could be nearly impossible to overcome by writers).
Time travel would be cool plot point, the ME universe is already science fiction, just make it extremely hard or at least extremely convincing to pull off
I really dont want a time travel story in a Mass Effect game.
It is getting more and more insane
If they wanted to save Shepard, still have the reapers dead, and have time travel we could do this: Travel back in time to the moment when shepherd make his choice (probably destroy), right after that moment, you take shepherd into the future. That way we still kill the reapers, and you can bring shepherd into the future. I don’t want them to use time travel, but I can see it working that way so you don’t create the paradox of shepherd not being around to stop the reapers.
Go back to first contact war would be interesting
I think the only way time travel would work in Mass Effect it would have to be a time loop. Basically something similar to Terminator 1, Prisoner of Azkaban or Dark TV show, when past or future can't really be changed.
I have a theory (I don’t know what happened in Andromeda btw). If me4 comes out there will be diferent start for every ending. Like destroy Shepard lives (if you had enough war assets) and the game goes on like the prequeles. If you chose control then Shepard would say ASSUMING CONTROL and would make himself a new body that he would use and cut the controling-reapers thing. For synthesis I didn’t think it out yet. Also I know i am a year late.
Either Remove the blasted war assets requirement or reduce it heavily then we may have something.
I have been playing ME legendary effect four times all the way through to the end and in ME 3 I only managed to get 6700 where needing 7800 to get the perfect ending(I am working on my fifth play through at the moment of this message).
I swear the devs made that dam number so high to prevent most players from getting that perfect ending.
how to have the 2 meet up ... synthesis ending : as stated in the game the galaxy wide rewrite would give way to unlimited information and as such life span wouldnt have a limit . people would still be mortal or rather killable but ageing past prime would no longer be a thing. in the synthesis ending shep and crew would still be alive. control ending : in that version having shep as the reaper master i would expect shepart would simply collect and rebuild him/herself and crew in their prime at either end of life or in the event of death : honestly i expected both you and big dan to have noticed that long ago. Note: as stated from mass effect 2&3 ( countless times ) shep isnt 100% human he/she is part synthetic sheps new normal life span is closer to that of a asari or krogan as his/her body is litteraly remade to maintain peak status .
i sometimes wonder, if there is any other species that is left to discover like the leviathan and the prothean.
Oh boy, the Milky Way galaxy is enormous. There's no doubt still a massive amount of species left to discover & I think that might be one of the focuses of the next Mass Effect
Mass relay network covers like 0.1 % of Milky Way galaxy there definitely are.
As Hubertino855 pointed out the lore established that only a tiny percentage of relays were ever activated by the known species of the Milky Way galaxy, so most of the galaxy still remains inaccessible and unexplored. That was actually one of the complaints raised by some fans of the original trilogy of games when Andromeda was in development. They wondered why the game was bothering with going to a different galaxy when the Milky Way still had nearly infinite potential for exploration and first contact events with new species.
To give an idea of how vast our galaxy is, it takes light 200,000 years to completely traverse it and estimates for the number of stars (most of which are thought to probably have orbiting planets) range from anywhere from 100 billion to 400 billion stars.
bro we didnt even see the remnant species
I agree that time travel is not a good fit to the ME universe. The unchained Leviatans could be bad-enough guys for ME5 with good story writing. Besides, dark energy research could easily end-up as something, supporting instant travel in-between the two galaxies, and could also explain some of the unresolved phenomena (scurge) in ME4. For instance, an early prototype of dark energy-based method which was unpolished, went wrong, done by the Geth, resulting the scurge in Andromeda...There is also this interesting scientific phenomena that if e.g. humans start sending spaceships to far regions of space, those sent out first will in fact arrive last. Why? Because newer tech will make its way there faster. I believe that in ME4 the Arks were the first and slowest. Later, something faster (based on dark energy tech?) got there faster. By ME5 though, things might just go between the two galaxies without time loss...
Be careful with time travel, you don’t want the enemy to find out how to make it work…
The thought process of using faster than speed of light to time travel (going away for a certain length of time, turning around and heading back to in essence travel back in time) is such a major universe breaker that I can't see that being used. Using Mass Effect field in relays and such to make it so a short amount of time has passed instead of months can be (at least somewhat) thought of as suspension of disbelief. But to think you could use a space ship to travel faster than light away to a point in the past at the point of destination, turn around and point at Earth and then go to a point in the past at destination Earth would be so universe breaking as to bring about EVERYONE ALWAYS TIME TRAVELLING.
Using Mass Relays is already a form of time travel, since you go a large distance in a short amount of time. But you don't go BACK in time. If ME brought in travelling back in time then I would be severely disappointed and probably wouldn't even bother playing it at that point.
The voice actor for Solas has some Big Finish Doctor Who audio dramas coming out soon, maybe he's already finished the work for the base game !
What if after the war the Normandy Crew got immediately back to earth to find Shepard. His love Tali (or your live interest) are lifting every stone to find him. And they did, he was barely breathing. And so Tali with the rest of the Crew bring Shepard in a hospital in lindon, but Shepard has from the crucible gotten such high blast that it nearly killed him, liara finds out what it is with the help of some earths doctors. That Shepard has some kind of sickness, that starts to kill him and so Liara looks around to find some kind of cure. But without Success, she knows when Shepard dies she not only loses tali's trust and the rest the of the Crew but the humans don't have their savior. So Liara thinks back to the an old Program from what she knows about. So she tells the Normandy Crew her plan, they will all get in kryo except her. And so they all go to kryo after the reaper war. But unknown to the Crew Liara knew it was to early to send them away, how? The mass realeys are destroyed. And so she starts with the first few years to repair the l mass realeys. And with success, Liara bulids up with ex Cerberus and the alliance a new mass effect realey. (What we see in the trailer) there was another problem, they didn't know if on the other side was also a mass realey. But in a desperate attempt she sends the Normandy with the new mass realey through dark space. But even with the help of the mass realey it took time to come to Andromeda, why? The relay was just a prototype. And so not even a few hours later and she was stucking with the Normandy in dark space, not knowing how long the trip will take. And so years past while Liara watches over the kyro pots of her friends. And after 634 years she finally arrived at Andromeda. Not knowing where she was. But then she was found from the tempest a ship from the nexus where she meets Ryder. With the help of the nexus Liara frees Tali and the rest of the Crew except one, Talis everything Shepard. With the help of nexus the Normandy Crew and the Angara they try to find a way home to the milky way not knowing what has happen over the 634 years. But in that time when Liara came with her ship raider had made a big discovery. He found out how the creators of the remnant tech got away and how they disappeared. With some kind of boom tube. And through that Ryder can control remnant tech he was able to get a connection between the mass realey prototype and the boom tube Devise. So Liara got back alone leaving Tali and the Crew with Shepard. Liara got back but saw that nearly everything has changed Illum became a part of omega and the milky way suffered now centuries or more from the destruction of the mass realeys. So she came back a looks around in the milky way for a cure, lucky in the past 600 years the medicine was so high with the standards that it was easy. But they needed some special Ingredients so she looks over different plants with a small team (what we saw in the liara trailer) but some ingredients aren't in the milky so she jumped back to Andromeda unknown that the Kett (or some bigger treat) was attacking the nexus and the Angaras.
And that's what I have in mind, i know is a big shot. And it can be completely crap, but i tried to bring some old faces and new ones
Well i too would prefer a frozen shepard and squad over time travel.. basically im very much hoping that's the case because if they just kill our heroes off by age i'll study hard, become a reaper and harvest all sentient life.
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Element Zero can be manipulated to power a time drive by the use of Tackyons.