Because they didn’t have enough voice lines for Arthur or John they would’ve gotten old fast with the amount of hours most put in, there’s 4 minutes of dialogue like this for Arthur, the games story is 70 hours long.
Its almost as, hes the main/Playable character of this game... What sense would it make if they side lined our playable character to make john the main center of attention
Fits pretty well for 1907 John in my opinion, also there’s some missing here. He has gang specific voice lines like calling murfrees inbred or making fun of the lemoyne raiders. And different lines for when bullets nearly hit him or whether he’s low or high on health after a gunfight.
He started smoking before recording the voice lines to make him sound younger. Benjamin Davis did the opposite. Dutch in RDR1 has a lot of voice cracks probably from him smoking Lol.
What do u mean? John was soft in rdr1 because he was young and inexperienced Arthur is older therefore more colder and badasser plus better gunslinger and more intimidating
@@S_E_M_I_R You do realized what you said in your comment is not actual history, but was written by man right? That's exactly where my problem is because he wasn't supposed to be inexperienced when he was young. Too many dialogues of how John in rdr1 describes his story can prove my point.
@@flamingmonkey7712 he literally was suppose to be inexperienced because he was way younger back then and Rockstar wanted us to see how much he changed and became like an less aggressive version of Arthur
@@S_E_M_I_R We never "saw" how he changed. He remained the same dumb ass or even dumber 8 years after the main storyline. There's not a single sign of his character development throughout the whole game of RDR2. That's not good writing bro. Also did you even know how John describes his own story in RDR1 about his younger self? He was supposed to be exactly like Arthur.
@@S_E_M_I_R how does being older equals to being more experienced and "bad asser" lol first off no,john was a total maniac in rdr1, threatening people to blow their brains out for the most minor inconveniences and did a lot of trash talk secondly john whilst being younger has *a lot* more experience thah Arthur
It really wasn’t rushed with all the cut stuff that are working completely fine just sitting in the game (John’s own character model, hair, npc clothes, cut epilogue clothes, voice lines,animations etc.) rockstar definitely did this to make Arthur look better
@@BeatleHarrison When the main character of the game that you play as for the majority of the run time has a finished model 🤯 The point is during crunch it was obvious epilogue was focused on the least, there is literally one new side mission. Just because John has less attention to him on a game not even centered around him, doesn't mean they intentionally cut stuff out during development. NOW, it is clear Rockstar DID sabotage John POST-release.
Honestly it kinda fits Arthur being the more silent type of gunfighter, only speaking as a retort to what the other guy is saying(or if they're Odriscolls).
@nirjhar4803 yeah man i was thinking the same thing, Arthur doesn't have to say a word honestly. His reputation/legend go quite a long ways.. It would be terrifying sitting in camp as an odriscoll shooting the breeze with your buddies and all of the sudden you see an arrow go through the front of your friends head.. you see flashes of Arthur popping in and out of cover and in between trees. Taking out all of your friends one by one. All without saying a word..
People Complain about john in This game, but my biggest issue is that he doesn’t have much to do after the games story is finished. This was an issue with Jack as well. I mean I guess you could finish the game 100% but it does feel like the rides already over by the time you get to John.
Agreed. Some of 'em are okay, but don't compare. They don't hit the same way they did in RDR1. Shame though, his combat lines in 1 were something to behold. Always entertaining. Fun lil' drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "Fool" (You can tell they were working on fumes)
@@ComicWriter-ml3qt What, "fool"? Not from what I remember, no. I could be wrong though, and I welcome a fact check on that. I usually remember many of his 1 disses being way more creative.
4:55 “Bring an army! See if I care!”
Actually, it seems like John did care the day they brought one.
Rdr1 reference
Except he didnt he was shooting them all and made sure abi and jack made it out safe before letting them get him
@@Bithe_GetYeah he cared, he didn't want them to get killed by the army
"The army!? You got to be joking!"
he doesnt care lol he destroyed the entire mexican army
He did a lot of this trash talk in rdr1....
Weird why Rockstar deleted so much.....
Because they didn’t have enough voice lines for Arthur or John they would’ve gotten old fast with the amount of hours most put in, there’s 4 minutes of dialogue like this for Arthur, the games story is 70 hours long.
@@Mqmn No they won't have lol, rdr1 John and Jack talk and it never gets old when they do
@@BeatleHarrison the difference is rockstar buddy
@@Mqmn huh? Df you on about
There was so much that Marston deserved from this game, but it was all moved away in favor of Arthur
Arthur got a lot of combat lines that were removed too...
@@AtomicMushroom1 I think they meant in general, like game content rather than just lines
Yeah john got sidelined to make arthur the new favorite of everyone
@@avidsatanist Yeah, I didn't see it that way and I agree.
Its almost as, hes the main/Playable character of this game...
What sense would it make if they side lined our playable character to make john the main center of attention
why would they remove these, they were such a good part of the first game
Fits pretty well for 1907 John in my opinion, also there’s some missing here. He has gang specific voice lines like calling murfrees inbred or making fun of the lemoyne raiders. And different lines for when bullets nearly hit him or whether he’s low or high on health after a gunfight.
1911 John was worse than this😅
"Couldnt shoot a fart of your own ass"
@@DaysbbI remember hearing that when I first played RDR1 💀😭
I think some of these are RDR voice lines
Some also come directly from rdr1 here
3:36 "What's that smell, you shats youself!?"
That was a line from rdr1 whenever you taunted someone.
“Ain’t nothin’ noble about fighting a losing battle.”
Boy did that one age well
Hide a speaker in a parking lot and play this
Bros so brutal at the end 💀🥶
Rob's voice was so much deeper back in 2010
He started smoking before recording the voice lines to make him sound younger. Benjamin Davis did the opposite. Dutch in RDR1 has a lot of voice cracks probably from him smoking Lol.
@@Toasted1337 smoking makes you sound younger? Never knew that
@@Jizzymc probably just a rob thing
@@Jizzymc It gave him a raspier voice.
@@Toasted1337 It was actually written in the script for his voice to crack!
This was John in his Thug Life era
"JOHN MARSTON Relembra mi nombre"
- RDR1 John Marston
Why'd they scrap so much good stuff for John? Arthur would've been seen as the great character he was either way
My alarm clock😂
"If I gotta kill ya.... I'll barely remember it" DAMN
bruh playing this with modded marston makes it better
I know there's a mod that adds cut dialogue from Arthur. Does it add the cut dialogue for John too?
yeah
It does
Absolutely
This make me more sure that they dumbed down John on purpose
What do u mean? John was soft in rdr1 because he was young and inexperienced Arthur is older therefore more colder and badasser plus better gunslinger and more intimidating
@@S_E_M_I_R You do realized what you said in your comment is not actual history, but was written by man right? That's exactly where my problem is because he wasn't supposed to be inexperienced when he was young. Too many dialogues of how John in rdr1 describes his story can prove my point.
@@flamingmonkey7712 he literally was suppose to be inexperienced because he was way younger back then and Rockstar wanted us to see how much he changed and became like an less aggressive version of Arthur
@@S_E_M_I_R We never "saw" how he changed. He remained the same dumb ass or even dumber 8 years after the main storyline. There's not a single sign of his character development throughout the whole game of RDR2. That's not good writing bro. Also did you even know how John describes his own story in RDR1 about his younger self? He was supposed to be exactly like Arthur.
@@S_E_M_I_R how does being older equals to being more experienced and "bad asser" lol
first off no,john was a total maniac in rdr1, threatening people to blow their brains out for the most minor inconveniences and did a lot of trash talk
secondly john whilst being younger has *a lot* more experience thah Arthur
Bunch of bank clerks!
pissed they got rid of these gunfight lights, it’s kind of a staple since gta IV
Link to the original video:
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FOOLS
“Wanna know what your brain looks like? Gimme a second” absolutely diabolical.
LAWMEN? YOU LOOK LIKE BANK CLERKS 💯
Could it be we were originally meant to be able to intimidate law men too?
3:22
Arthur's "YOURE DEAD MAN!" line is more badass
You're ALL DEAD!!!!
this guys for 1899 but not 1907
Seems like the epilogue was rushed during crunch and Rockstar decided to leave these out when the game was closer to release.
It really wasn’t rushed with all the cut stuff that are working completely fine just sitting in the game (John’s own character model, hair, npc clothes, cut epilogue clothes, voice lines,animations etc.) rockstar definitely did this to make Arthur look better
@@BeatleHarrisonRockstar cutted Arthur's lines too
@@telespectadorpensante.7156Cool….. they didn’t cut his character model, hairstyles, clothing options or animations though did they?
@@BeatleHarrison When the main character of the game that you play as for the majority of the run time has a finished model 🤯 The point is during crunch it was obvious epilogue was focused on the least, there is literally one new side mission. Just because John has less attention to him on a game not even centered around him, doesn't mean they intentionally cut stuff out during development. NOW, it is clear Rockstar DID sabotage John POST-release.
@@BeatleHarrisonand you have evidence for that?
2:55
Os diálogos do Arthur são mais agressivos
Talvez. Eu acho os diálogos do John mais sádicos e provocadores
Is there a mod that adds these lines
Yes, it's called "Cut Dialogue Restoration and Enhancement"
I wonder how much was deleted for arthur, you know Roger went all in and said some crazy shit too lol..
Honestly it kinda fits Arthur being the more silent type of gunfighter, only speaking as a retort to what the other guy is saying(or if they're Odriscolls).
@nirjhar4803 yeah man i was thinking the same thing, Arthur doesn't have to say a word honestly. His reputation/legend go quite a long ways.. It would be terrifying sitting in camp as an odriscoll shooting the breeze with your buddies and all of the sudden you see an arrow go through the front of your friends head.. you see flashes of Arthur popping in and out of cover and in between trees. Taking out all of your friends one by one. All without saying a word..
@@nirjhar4803he still laughs and says "keep up on foot" if shooting the enemy horse
@@druidfluid8964that’s cool and all, but I would like it if your honor dictates how often the voice lines come up.
People
Complain about john in This game, but my biggest issue is that he doesn’t have much to do after the games story is finished.
This was an issue with Jack as well. I mean I guess you could finish the game 100% but it does feel like the rides already over by the time you get to John.
They're all kinda... the same and nothing creative. No wonder they cut them. He had better lines in RDR 1.
“YOU COULDN’T SHOOT A FART OUTTA YOUR OWN ASS!”
Agreed. Some of 'em are okay, but don't compare. They don't hit the same way they did in RDR1. Shame though, his combat lines in 1 were something to behold. Always entertaining.
Fun lil' drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "Fool" (You can tell they were working on fumes)
@@just1randomguy658he used that insult a lot in red dead 1 didn’t he?
@@ComicWriter-ml3qt
What, "fool"? Not from what I remember, no. I could be wrong though, and I welcome a fact check on that. I usually remember many of his 1 disses being way more creative.
Oh my God why Always John say idiot