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Great informative video John, just a suggestion, instead of butchering the trigger switch just whack a zip tie on it, that way if you need to return it to it's original functionality simply cut the tie and you're good to go.
Hi John while completing my toolmaking trade back in the early 80's I was given a pro tip from a wise old toolmaker to wrap a couple of rubber bands around the stock being cut, to absorb the harmonic vibration when cutting in the toolroom. I still use the tip to this day, some 40 years later. Thanks for all your videos and great information. Jonesy
Similar to putting a bit of cheeseclothe between the cutter and the workpiece when cutting chamfers to allow countersunk cap screws to sit below the parent metal surface the cheeseclothe also stops chattering via the same principles
A 1 2 3 block! I love it. Learn something every day thanks John. Fences on the table saw and router will now be 90 degrees. Oh and the band saw looks great. Now 5 sqm shed will need some extensions.... This channel is great!
for the first time in the 15 or so years i been using angle grinders, i had a cutoff disk explode a few months ago becasue i accidentally twisted it while cutting. luckily im smart enough to keep my face and body out of the danger zone. which is anything inline with the blade. one half shot into the rafters of the garage and the other went for the floor at mach speed. i just shut the thing off and checked my hands. i been wanting one of these types of bandsaws but i doubt they work well with hardened steel. everything else i need it for sure.
Cutting Edge Engineering is my 'top rated' YT video, right up there with the one you are now watching, and If you want to see metals being transformed , Curtis is the chap to watch.
Huge upvote for artisan makes, great channel. I also watch Curtis but I feel like his work is way outside my league whereas AM’s project are something I could achieve
Bandsaw are great. I've seen a cordless Milwaukee being used to decommission a radio tower. It's amazing how cutting a single outrigger can bring the entire tower down.
Not sure if you’ll see this John, but wondering if you could look at the LandCruiser 79 series and what most Toyota dealers are up to. It seems they are registering these new vehicles, putting under 100km on them and then selling them for $40k more that the listed prices. $80k listed now $120k plus. I have farming family who ordered over a year ago now being told they are way down the lists and there is limited supply. Seems suspect when I’m reality most dealers would have long waiting lists and now they have many ‘used’ stock listed.
Thank you for highlighting the dangers of abrasive cutting … especially eye and lung protection. I will do anything to avoid abrasive cutting, not just from a personal protection point of view, but also paint, concrete and glass damage that it can cause. It’s concerning how many people don’t consider the dangers of abrasive cutting … especially adult tradespeople, who then either pass on their bad habits to the young, or worse, pay-out on them if they wear PPE.
Which do you take for general farm steel fabrication (lots of 90 & 45 mitres for frames).... Vevor 14" Cold Chop Saw @ ~A$440 or the Vevor BS-85 Band saw @ ~A$550 ???
My first job was learning and being a jet enginge technician at Navy fighter jets. My second job was becoming and being a naval engineer on serious German Navy vessels. And I allways refer to the angle grinder as the most dangerous swiss knife of metall work by the very same reason you John dislike at all to call it a swiss knife of metall work. I fully agree to 2 points: you realy have to practice a lot to get the job done the beautifull way and there is no moment not life threatening s long as the grinder rotates. I work with those since 40 years now from then to then and I still have all my eyes working where they belong to be and how they work; - dito all my fingers. Caution is priority first in handling any angle grinder. Allways switch on the brain first and then the angle grinder and switch of the angle grinder first and wait until the rotation went down to zero, before relaxing the grey mass in behind the forehead. ALLWAYS.
I love cutting edge engineering ❤❤❤. Sometimes I don't like it because I was working in huge forklift repair shop... And solutions for some complicated problems are so genius and simple. I got feeling that I was stupid metal worker, but that was just after school and internet wasn't a thing at the time 😅
I'm with you, mate. That manual downforce handle & momentary switch are BS. If I bought a Vevor BS-85 & was deadset and lazy, I'd tightly cable-tie the momentary run switch so that it's permanently ON & rely on the main power switch to operate the bandsaw. I'm not lazy & hate any unnecessary connections which are potential failure points, so I'd open the momentary switch junction box but leave the wires intact. I'd then open the main power switch junction box, detach its switch wire, cut & strip the wire that returns from the momentary switch that goes to the motor & solder it to the main power switch output terminal. Then as a TH-cam collab tidy-up, I'd take a sledgehammer to that dumbarsed downforce tube until it breaks off then "In The Bin" it goes, along with the attached wires. For safety reasons, I'd file off all sharp bits from the mangled stub & hot glue on a Mighty Car Mods "Shit Beer" drink cooler to cover up the hole. Any small portion of profit if donated to the C. Nile Management Foundation &/or Senile Management Foundation would be greatly appreciated. 😜
I have one of those harbor freight type band saws and yes the legs are junk, I made a bench on casters and bolted the bandsaw to, now I can wheel it anywhere I want and its a lot more stable too.
These blokes came out of nowhere, seriously 2 weeks ago I'd never heard of them and now I know every tool they sell. The only thing that baffles me is they have some identical looking tools for very different prices. I'm seriously thinking about one of the air jacks. Also the ultrasonic cleaners (AKA ZZ machine) are looking pretty inviting.
When you say even a Polly could use it I'm not sure yove had a hard look at the calibre of out choice today. It nice to see your not a one trick pony and you are well-versed in all subject. 👍
Have had one of these for about 18 months, light use in the shed (light use: was still on the original blade). The motor gearbox has packed it in - a gear in the motor gearbox shattered into bits. Vevor do not supply spare parts - I asked - so it's going in the bin. Here in Australia I expect I'd have a case re. statutory consumer guarantee (as in a $450 saw should last at least a few years; also the manufacturer or importer must provide spare parts and repair facilities for a reasonable time after purchase); I'm working through that with their support team now.
Thanks John, I don't have a band saw and this looks like an excellent candidate. One regret I have is that I built a 6mX5m shed, just big enough for a car and a little bit. Should have been 7mX6m. Sigh. Not your problem, I'll work it out. Cheers.
There's an option you missed - metal mitre cutoff saw. I've got an el-cheapo one I use for the odd bit of light structural fabrication. About $100 Bunnings-grade although that was years ago. Garbage but it does up to 50mm SHS and is easy to take to the worksite. Eats sections for gates like chips. Rather have the Vevor though but if you can't justify stretching to $500 and don't need big sections there are cheaper (and possibly cheaper to run) options.
Cheapo abrasive saws are more dangerous, create hazardous airborn particles which also make a huge mess, they throw sparks creating a fire hazard, they're extremely loud in a DIY home environment, they never seem to cut straight, they make a mess of the cut edges requiring additional rework before welding, you lose 5x as much material per cut which adds up over an 8m length of steel so you have to be more careful laying out designs, the list goes on There's a reason you rarely see professionals using abrasive cutoff saws and why they're usually cheap and nasty
I was watching going " plus the bushing....plua the bushing right ray." Only because i have certainly been there before ray. Exactly as you said, dont make that mistake....went and did it. Except my bolt shop is like 15 mins away
Thanks John, another plus is no sparks compared to the angle grinder!..... I make furniture using square stock and timber materials. I have been looking around for something like the BS-85. Not too big plus versatile. I will be having a look at your link with the discount. Cheers Robert
I like my 4x 6 bandsaw for not much more. Eg bs-4a. I mounted my on a 2 draw filing can't on heavy castors. Must more that 40 years old and still going strong
I bought a Vevor bandsaw the other day. It's this guy's little brother (looks Iike the one in the background but came mounted on a hinged base like the subject of this video). It's the same as that marketed by Baumr and several other brands. Seems ok. Does the light duty stuff I want and only cost $270
even those cheap saws can do a great job at cutting, tho a bit slow. the better the cut, the less cleanup required and better fit up, which makes welding so much easier. only thing i found was it pays to get the bi metal blades.
The TPI of the saw blade teeth needs to be considered. Selection of what TPI blade you need to use is determined by the wall thickness of your steel. Long story short is that if you consistently cut thin wall RHS Or SHS you need the highest TPI count you can obtain. If the blade is a coarse pitch you will end tearing some of the teeth off your coarse pitch blade.A chat with a reputable band saw blade supplier is advised.
I've considered this one and the smaller little red one they've got but the vast majority of cutting I do on metals is the truly dreadful shit no one likes cutting- high carbon steels, austenitic and martesitic stainless, tool steels, sometimes aluminum and occasionally when I feel the need to really beat myself up, titanium. Add to that, most of it comes in very large sheets. However, if you're processing a lot of mild steel for fabrication in post, bar and rod sections and need it more accurate than the wall-eyed apprentice can manage, you want yourself one of the metal cutting bandsaws.
Hello John. Given your engineer training and all of the cool tools you have in the fat cave, I'd like to see you do something with engineering students and make something like a monocoque chassis using your Jedi skills. I reckon that would be bloody interesting as I'm a sucker for a lot of your fellow TH-camr's that build chassis for race cars etc. Their engineering and welding skills are 2nd to none IMO. How about it?
Whenever I feel like my life is becoming dull I like to go crank up the 9” grinder. Let’s consider the number of bushfires caused by people using angle grinders on hot days. The federal government should just issue one of these to every bloke in Australia.
I'm curious: why NOT wear gloves when using an angle grinder? I mean, if you're holding onto the side handle and the back of the angle grinder and you only put the angle grinder down when the disc has stopped spinning, how would gloves become an entrapment? (I HAVE used bandsaws, in my father's butcher shop and of course, without steel gloves, back in the day. But I'm annoyed that I ended up replacing a burnt out drop saw with another one only last week when I could've gotten a bandsaw. I guess I was put off by the butcher's bandsaw blades that snapped when catching gristle on cattle bones.)
I'm not sure how gloves would become an entrapment hazard either. I would have thought that losing grip whilst wearing gloves would be a bigger concern when using an angle grinder, though that could be more down to wearing poor quality and/or ill-fitting gloves.
@@dougstubbs9637 Haha! Well, I love to finger things, not limited to guitar strings. But hey, whatever floats your boat. Thing is, keep your digits intact! 👍☝
Are we the only two who have seven angle grinders along with all our extremities and are working without an eyepatch? There is some terrible advice out there about how to use an angle grinder. Even some highly respected people take off the guard and recommend that one removes the guard. All in the name of working a bit faster. I use a face guard and hearing protector.
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Great informative video John, just a suggestion, instead of butchering the trigger switch just whack a zip tie on it, that way if you need to return it to it's original functionality simply cut the tie and you're good to go.
Hi John while completing my toolmaking trade back in the early 80's I was given a pro tip from a wise old toolmaker to wrap a couple of rubber bands around the stock being cut, to absorb the harmonic vibration when cutting in the toolroom. I still use the tip to this day, some 40 years later. Thanks for all your videos and great information. Jonesy
Similar to putting a bit of cheeseclothe between the cutter and the workpiece when cutting chamfers to allow countersunk cap screws to sit below the parent metal surface the cheeseclothe also stops chattering via the same principles
Great saw. I sold my big metal bandsaw and bought one of these. Solid, well made and great portability.
A 1 2 3 block! I love it. Learn something every day thanks John. Fences on the table saw and router will now be 90 degrees. Oh and the band saw looks great. Now 5 sqm shed will need some extensions.... This channel is great!
for the first time in the 15 or so years i been using angle grinders, i had a cutoff disk explode a few months ago becasue i accidentally twisted it while cutting.
luckily im smart enough to keep my face and body out of the danger zone. which is anything inline with the blade.
one half shot into the rafters of the garage and the other went for the floor at mach speed. i just shut the thing off and checked my hands.
i been wanting one of these types of bandsaws but i doubt they work well with hardened steel. everything else i need it for sure.
Thank you, John, these sorts of videos are a real help when coming to small workshop setup 👍
Yay
Just a vote for that vertical saw conversion table project!
OK. Will do.
Cutting Edge Engineering is my 'top rated' YT video, right up there with the one you are now watching, and If you want to see metals being transformed , Curtis is the chap to watch.
Huge upvote for artisan makes, great channel. I also watch Curtis but I feel like his work is way outside my league whereas AM’s project are something I could achieve
Bandsaw are great. I've seen a cordless Milwaukee being used to decommission a radio tower. It's amazing how cutting a single outrigger can bring the entire tower down.
I have one just like this, i had some multi pitch blades made. Improved the saw 100%
My 9" angle grinder is sitting at the bottom of the cabinet, will stay there.
My Brother has hearing aids using them in the shipyard many years ago.
another upvote for kurtis/karen/homie at CEE. and if you're ever short on inspiration one day, i vote for a review/analysis of your shop air system.
Not sure if you’ll see this John, but wondering if you could look at the LandCruiser 79 series and what most Toyota dealers are up to. It seems they are registering these new vehicles, putting under 100km on them and then selling them for $40k more that the listed prices. $80k listed now $120k plus. I have farming family who ordered over a year ago now being told they are way down the lists and there is limited supply. Seems suspect when I’m reality most dealers would have long waiting lists and now they have many ‘used’ stock listed.
Thank you so much for the tip about shimming the vice to get the drop down cuts square.
Thank you for highlighting the dangers of abrasive cutting … especially eye and lung protection. I will do anything to avoid abrasive cutting, not just from a personal protection point of view, but also paint, concrete and glass damage that it can cause.
It’s concerning how many people don’t consider the dangers of abrasive cutting … especially adult tradespeople, who then either pass on their bad habits to the young, or worse, pay-out on them if they wear PPE.
Which do you take for general farm steel fabrication (lots of 90 & 45 mitres for frames).... Vevor 14" Cold Chop Saw @ ~A$440 or the Vevor BS-85 Band saw @ ~A$550 ???
My first job was learning and being a jet enginge technician at Navy fighter jets. My second job was becoming and being a naval engineer on serious German Navy vessels. And I allways refer to the angle grinder as the most dangerous swiss knife of metall work by the very same reason you John dislike at all to call it a swiss knife of metall work. I fully agree to 2 points: you realy have to practice a lot to get the job done the beautifull way and there is no moment not life threatening s long as the grinder rotates. I work with those since 40 years now from then to then and I still have all my eyes working where they belong to be and how they work; - dito all my fingers. Caution is priority first in handling any angle grinder. Allways switch on the brain first and then the angle grinder and switch of the angle grinder first and wait until the rotation went down to zero, before relaxing the grey mass in behind the forehead. ALLWAYS.
I love cutting edge engineering ❤❤❤.
Sometimes I don't like it because I was working in huge forklift repair shop... And solutions for some complicated problems are so genius and simple. I got feeling that I was stupid metal worker, but that was just after school and internet wasn't a thing at the time 😅
Excellent video john with great info, I have been looking at getting one of these. Thanks for taking the time to share. Cheers
I'm with you, mate.
That manual downforce handle & momentary switch are BS.
If I bought a Vevor BS-85 & was deadset and lazy, I'd tightly cable-tie the momentary run switch so that it's permanently ON & rely on the main power switch to operate the bandsaw.
I'm not lazy & hate any unnecessary connections which are potential failure points, so I'd open the momentary switch junction box but leave the wires intact. I'd then open the main power switch junction box, detach its switch wire, cut & strip the wire that returns from the momentary switch that goes to the motor & solder it to the main power switch output terminal.
Then as a TH-cam collab tidy-up, I'd take a sledgehammer to that dumbarsed downforce tube until it breaks off then "In The Bin" it goes, along with the attached wires.
For safety reasons, I'd file off all sharp bits from the mangled stub & hot glue on a Mighty Car Mods "Shit Beer" drink cooler to cover up the hole.
Any small portion of profit if donated to the C. Nile Management Foundation &/or Senile Management Foundation would be greatly appreciated. 😜
I have one of those harbor freight type band saws and yes the legs are junk, I made a bench on casters and bolted the bandsaw to, now I can wheel it anywhere I want and its a lot more stable too.
These blokes came out of nowhere, seriously 2 weeks ago I'd never heard of them and now I know every tool they sell. The only thing that baffles me is they have some identical looking tools for very different prices. I'm seriously thinking about one of the air jacks.
Also the ultrasonic cleaners (AKA ZZ machine) are looking pretty inviting.
That would be because they probably did come from no where
When we get 50's style pin-up John with power tools calendar?
These saws are great for cutting up a side of sheep.
When you say even a Polly could use it I'm not sure yove had a hard look at the calibre of out choice today. It nice to see your not a one trick pony and you are well-versed in all subject. 👍
Add hearing protection to the PPE list... one thing you don't want have is buggered up hearing like I have after 50 years of working with metal..
Have had one of these for about 18 months, light use in the shed (light use: was still on the original blade). The motor gearbox has packed it in - a gear in the motor gearbox shattered into bits. Vevor do not supply spare parts - I asked - so it's going in the bin. Here in Australia I expect I'd have a case re. statutory consumer guarantee (as in a $450 saw should last at least a few years; also the manufacturer or importer must provide spare parts and repair facilities for a reasonable time after purchase); I'm working through that with their support team now.
I like the portable bandsaw for lots of tasks now that I have one over my sawzall.
Thanks John, I don't have a band saw and this looks like an excellent candidate.
One regret I have is that I built a 6mX5m shed, just big enough for a car and a little bit.
Should have been 7mX6m. Sigh. Not your problem, I'll work it out. Cheers.
What an awesome tool, another great show John.
I love it mate.
Great little saw.
Can we see your other cave?
There's an option you missed - metal mitre cutoff saw. I've got an el-cheapo one I use for the odd bit of light structural fabrication. About $100 Bunnings-grade although that was years ago. Garbage but it does up to 50mm SHS and is easy to take to the worksite. Eats sections for gates like chips. Rather have the Vevor though but if you can't justify stretching to $500 and don't need big sections there are cheaper (and possibly cheaper to run) options.
Cheapo abrasive saws are more dangerous, create hazardous airborn particles which also make a huge mess, they throw sparks creating a fire hazard, they're extremely loud in a DIY home environment, they never seem to cut straight, they make a mess of the cut edges requiring additional rework before welding, you lose 5x as much material per cut which adds up over an 8m length of steel so you have to be more careful laying out designs, the list goes on
There's a reason you rarely see professionals using abrasive cutoff saws and why they're usually cheap and nasty
Living the dream John!
I was watching going " plus the bushing....plua the bushing right ray." Only because i have certainly been there before ray. Exactly as you said, dont make that mistake....went and did it. Except my bolt shop is like 15 mins away
Thanks John, another plus is no sparks compared to the angle grinder!..... I make furniture using square stock and timber materials. I have been looking around for something like the BS-85. Not too big plus versatile. I will be having a look at your link with the discount. Cheers Robert
Have a look at pommy motorcycle genius Allen Millyard cutting bike engines up with his old hacksaw. Been doing it for years, cuts straight every time.
Planning a workshop, first job 4” lift
Cuts like butter and clean. Better accuracy than my Bosch 18V Cordless band saw.
I like my 4x 6 bandsaw for not much more. Eg bs-4a. I mounted my on a 2 draw filing can't on heavy castors. Must more that 40 years old and still going strong
I bought a Vevor bandsaw the other day.
It's this guy's little brother (looks Iike the one in the background but came mounted on a hinged base like the subject of this video).
It's the same as that marketed by Baumr and several other brands.
Seems ok.
Does the light duty stuff I want and only cost $270
I love the Cleveland hat thank you John! 😁😁
BRILLIANT ... yet again ... thank you
Everyone needs a bandsaw, I have 4. I had five but that was just silly....4 is just right.
A problem I have with Vevor is they didn't provide an invoice with an ABN, I get a distinct feeling of tax avoidance
So?
even those cheap saws can do a great job at cutting, tho a bit slow. the better the cut, the less cleanup required and better fit up, which makes welding so much easier. only thing i found was it pays to get the bi metal blades.
"Fat cave" did I hear that right. Thanks love your vids !
G'day John. how do you reach those blue parts bins on the wall behind you?
The TPI of the saw blade teeth needs to be considered. Selection of what TPI blade you need to use is determined by the wall thickness of your steel. Long story short is that if you consistently cut thin wall RHS Or SHS you need the highest TPI count you can obtain. If the blade is a coarse pitch you will end tearing some of the teeth off your coarse pitch blade.A chat with a reputable band saw blade supplier is advised.
I really enjoyed this vid. More tool videos would be cool.
Nice John, thank you.
To make a square or rectangular frame you only need a maximum of five cuts if you turn your stock over and use a stop.
I've considered this one and the smaller little red one they've got but the vast majority of cutting I do on metals is the truly dreadful shit no one likes cutting- high carbon steels, austenitic and martesitic stainless, tool steels, sometimes aluminum and occasionally when I feel the need to really beat myself up, titanium. Add to that, most of it comes in very large sheets.
However, if you're processing a lot of mild steel for fabrication in post, bar and rod sections and need it more accurate than the wall-eyed apprentice can manage, you want yourself one of the metal cutting bandsaws.
you can lock the saw in the horizontal position for transport
can you lock it up in vertical for use with a table ?
Nothing is not as fun than cutting 100mm dia solid steel bar with hacksaw.. I have machine tools like mill and lathe, but I still do not have bandsaw.
That's why they're not called "angle cutters" - they're for grinds surfaces, not cutting.
What are the thin discs for?
@@mynameisben123 Doing things they weren't designed for 🙂
Hello John. Given your engineer training and all of the cool tools you have in the fat cave, I'd like to see you do something with engineering students and make something like a monocoque chassis using your Jedi skills. I reckon that would be bloody interesting as I'm a sucker for a lot of your fellow TH-camr's that build chassis for race cars etc. Their engineering and welding skills are 2nd to none IMO. How about it?
Whenever I feel like my life is becoming dull I like to go crank up the 9” grinder.
Let’s consider the number of bushfires caused by people using angle grinders on hot days. The federal government should just issue one of these to every bloke in Australia.
I have one of these band saws, got it from machinery house , first thing I built was a table so i can use it vertically 2 for one 😏
I recommend CEE
See an upload from John on a tool, and click LIKE straightaway! Just saying, John.
Too bad you didn't touched the chopsaw option for 5sec. Otherwise, excellent vid
Ooh Ooh..... I need one!!!!!!!! Now.... My hacksaw won't cut it....
I'm curious: why NOT wear gloves when using an angle grinder? I mean, if you're holding onto the side handle and the back of the angle grinder and you only put the angle grinder down when the disc has stopped spinning, how would gloves become an entrapment? (I HAVE used bandsaws, in my father's butcher shop and of course, without steel gloves, back in the day. But I'm annoyed that I ended up replacing a burnt out drop saw with another one only last week when I could've gotten a bandsaw. I guess I was put off by the butcher's bandsaw blades that snapped when catching gristle on cattle bones.)
Various Ming Moles ?
I'm not sure how gloves would become an entrapment hazard either. I would have thought that losing grip whilst wearing gloves would be a bigger concern when using an angle grinder, though that could be more down to wearing poor quality and/or ill-fitting gloves.
@@TheKnobCalledTone. The way I see it is that metal is either hot or sharp. I also love to play guitar and it's worth protecting finger tips.
@@dougstubbs9637 Haha! Well, I love to finger things, not limited to guitar strings. But hey, whatever floats your boat. Thing is, keep your digits intact! 👍☝
I'm not sure which is more of a worry: having 5 ex-wives or 7 angle grinders.
Number of grinders should always be higher than number of exes.
Helps with disposal of the bodies 😂
Nice gay t-shirt John!
From the UK base?
I'd rather a TCT drop saw than a band saw. A 350mm TCT saw from Trade Tools is only $899.
I don't know Tim...
I wear a full face shield when using my angle grinder
Owning seven Angle Grinders is an acute sickness, leading to obtuse personality disorder of various degrees, which is not right.
I've only got the minimum three, cordless and corded 125mm and the 9" corded of course. And a portable bandsaw.
I've only one and even that would be difficult to locate if ever I found a need to.
Just counted them, six working angle grinders plus one that needs a new switch, don't think I have a problem?
Are we the only two who have seven angle grinders along with all our extremities and are working without an eyepatch? There is some terrible advice out there about how to use an angle grinder. Even some highly respected people take off the guard and recommend that one removes the guard. All in the name of working a bit faster. I use a face guard and hearing protector.
have get me one of those doodads,,
A velcro strap will solve your trigger issue.
I came, I saw, I conquered.
The stuff has long since been put in dreams or is it nightmares...
You keep mentioning American options, what’s your viewership demographic like? I figured you talk about aussie cars so mostly aussie viewere
Try being a left hander using an angle grinder.
I am a left-hander.
@@AutoExpertJC I Feel your pain.
It is a living hell...
Sounds like BS to me. About 20kg worth...Boom Tish!