Honestly, if not for Voyager being in the Delta Quadrant, it’s entirely possible the Undine/Species 8472 would have destroyed the Borg and the rest of life in the galaxy, since they seemed pretty intent on killing everyone in the Milky Way after dealing with the Borg
There are more than enough aliens with godlike powers in the Milky Way to stop 8472. Metrons, Organians, Cytherians, Douwd, Q, etc. can all make 8472 go back to their own dimension.
They only went after species that were contaminated by the Borg and any Borg planet and ship either than that they had no interest in the rest of the Delta quadrant
@@Dan__S Krenim would have been local space issue just like Omega for the most part and eventually Q would have been captured and killed after a few more supernova's. The Delta Quadrant would have been tore up but the rest of the galaxy say a few random nova's would have been fine. 8472 would have eventually discovered the Borg Transwarp hubs and spread across the whole galaxy conducting a full on purge.
Actually the Q civil war wouldn't have happened. The Q who wanted to commit suicide wood have remain locked in that asteroid that Voyager found him inside of in the prime timeline. Also the chance that 7 of 9 would have died in the Borg-8472 war.
-Voyager wouldn't even be a footnote in any history book. Possibly destroyed during the Dominion War or relegated to chauffeuring diplomats around. -Instead of the Bellerophon transporting Admiral Ross, Sloan, and Dr. Bashir to Romulus, it could have been Voyager. -Chakotay and crew would either have been in a Federation prison or killed by the Dominion except for Seska. The Cardassians would retrieve her. -Dreadnought would have impacted Rakosa V, killing thousands if not millions. -Seven would still be a drone. -Species 8472 would have tried to destroy all life in the galaxy. -The Krenem time ship would still exist and altering destinies in the Delta Quadrant. -The Doctor would be replaced by the EMH Mark II, and the Mark II would be replaced by the Mark III, and so on and Lewis Zimmerman would have eventually died from his illness. -The Equinox would have eventually been destroyed by those creatures. -Tom Paris would still be in a penal colony. -Slip Stream technology wouldn't be known. -The 37's would still be on ice. -The Vaadwaur would still be on ice.
Without super officer Tom the warp 10 barrier would likely not be broken for a considerable time and the Delta fliers wouldn't exist so the standard shuttle would still be the only option for ships without an stronger option for dangerous missions
also the real harry and naomi would survive...at least until 29th century when braxton's ship destroys the solar system and we reset to do it all again?
@@aerisgainsborough2141 braxton's paradox would never have happened as voyager wouldn't be in the delta quadrant for b. So that never leads to c which leads to a which leads to b.
11:35 Carey was not Voyager's original chief engineer. If he had been, then there would not have been a need to fill the role. He was the next in line to fill the rolle, but Chakotay pushed for Torres to get it.
Voyager would have been a standard unimpressive vessel. Those 7 years shaped their reputation. The technology gleaned from interaction with other advanced races, along with 7 of 9's expertise, and well as Admiral Janeway showing up and getting them home early, made Voyager legendary.
Now I'm curious what would have happened if Voyager's crew had still been alive after being sent to the Delta Quadrant. I feel like the Starfleet-Maquis dynamic would have taken a lot longer to balance out than it did. Chakotay wouldn't be first officer, Paris wouldn't have been the main helmsman, the EMH would probably have not been used often and who knows what would have happened with B'Elanna.
Chakotay and the others would have either ended up in prison, or killed by the Jem'Hadar. Seven of Nine would've never been rescued, Voyager may have been put into the front lines of the Dominion War, but Neelix would've never been an eternal annoyance.
Really don't see Voyager lasting long in the Dominion war - JW skills are primary scientific exploration her command rigidity doesn't allow her to be very adaptive. Since the Federation is mostly OP against most of it enemies - it's not a really big time problem. I could see her managing a couple of tactical retreats - but on the long run, she would have kept to standard Federation SOP. And thus entrapped by the Gem'dhar.
@DavidEvans_dle i mean they would either recrew the ship appropriately or not choose to send Janeway into combat. Or if they did, the specific missions/functions would be more suited. That said, most starfleet captains and crew are no doubt more interested in science and exploration, and the way they typically solve a situation is through clever application of that scientific acumen. The purely strategic or tactical victories are far less common than the technobabble ones. So Janeway would probably do fine, though without the shield of title ship, they may not get the chance to clever their way out of the first bad situation.
Point of diversion? Geordie tasks someone else with rotating the shield frequencies while he does something else. After the Enterprise shakes off a few impotent shots from the Duras ship, the fight is ended rather abruptly.
@@DrewLSsix That battle is kinda dumb as well. If you recreate it with Bridge Commander the Enterprise D easily defeats that BoP even without its shields, just take it head on with full weapons firing.
Sisko would've turned it down. There's no families on Voyager and Jake was the only thing he cared about before the events of Emissary. Janeway's lack of experience would've doomed her mission on DS9. I mean, we know she had to be a first officer at some point. But there's still this "more confidence than experience" air about her at the start of Caretaker.
Would be interesting to see a video on what would’ve happened if Spock stayed dead in Yesteryear. It feels like that could affect so many things in multiple directions of the timeline! Or even another universe!
@@arko09 I think I remember bits and pieces of that. I’m just wondering now that we have Discovery in the timeline how that would affect things. Michael Burnham would’ve lived with them for a year before Spock passed (clearly we did not see that in TAS).
@@GeekFilterwe already know Burnham has an extreme amount of guilt concerning Spock. If he died while she was there who know what effect that would have had on her? Starting with the death of her parents, Michael's whole character arc revolves around a sense of outsized responsibility, responsibility for their deaths, responsibility to protect her ship crew and federation from the same threat. Responsibility for the danger Spock was in on Vulcan. I could see his death, even not directly related to her, driving her down a much darker path. I'd really love a story about Sybok and Michael in a post Spock setting, Sy was already destined to be a radical and Michael an obsessive, I could see them together in their early adulthood getting down to some pretty spectacular shenanigans.
@@GeekFilter Without Spock, there would have been no reunification with the Romulans. In the season 1 finale of Strange New Worlds “A Quality of Mercy”(SPOILERS), Captain Pike learns that in all future timelines where he avoids the accident, Spock is either killed or grievously injured; Pike is also informed of the pivotal role in history that Spock plays in the future. After this, Pike chooses to accept his future in the “beep chair”.
So basically, there's a VERY good reason why Voyager was preserved in the Fleet Museum... Apparently the Intrepid class were in high demand during the Dominion War as blockade runners and fast transports (Which is what the Bellerophon is seen doing if I remember right), because they were some of the fastest ships in the entire Alliance and even stock Intrepid's were tough ships when it came to a fight. As a fan of Voyager and the the Intrepid design overall, seeing her in the Fleet Museum in PIC S3 was a bit of a highlight of that season
I disagree; Janeway and Voyager survived 7 years in the Delta Quadrant. The Equinox, also lost in the Delta Quadrant, under Captain Ransom barely survived half that time and eventually was lost due to a warp core breach with Ransom in the Captain's chair. All hands were lost, with the exception of maybe 5 crewmen assigned to Voyager. Janeway is just as capable as Sisko, Kirk, or Picard. And they all made some serious errors at one point or another
@@charlesdavis545 Well if she wasn't in the Delta Quadrant all those upgrade would be missing and i'd say a stock Intrepid/Voyager would just be another ship destroyed in the war.
Janeway is the WORST CAPTAIN EVER, she should of had a mutiny, when she decided to turn Q down, after he offered to take them back home. I mean, the crew didn't sign up to get lost, and never see their families again. I'm sure Starfleet has limited contracts. Someone who signs a 2-4 yr contract, is not expecting to never see their wife, children, parents, etc. ever again. We know how Voyager got home a little earlier than it was supposed to. But, still. She unilaterally chose to make the crew stay lost in space, with the possibility of death EVERY SECOND of EVERY DAY.
If Voyager wasn't stranded in the Delta Quadrant, then Prodigy wouldn't have happened as it relies on technology gained from Voyager's trip through the Delta Quadrant.. 😛
I'm Curious and wondering what would of happened IF, Instead of Voyager got transported to the delta Quadrant, but a Sovereign Class maybe not Enterprise, but say USS Sovereign or something. How would things happen differently?????
It's all in the Captain and crew; the ship is secondary. Look what happened to the Odyssey in DS9; an overconfident Captain loses a Galaxy Class ship due to suicide Jem H'Dar's kamikaze run.
I was just thinking about this the other day. Starfleet would certainly be poorer if Voyager hadn't gone missing as the bounty of scientific and technological advancements they returned with significantly advanced the Federetion decades if not upto a hundred years or two in some areas. Not to mention the recognition of photonic lifeforms and how to sustain them long term. If she'd stayed, they'd have been just another Starship in the Dominion war, maybe even destroyed by the Breen weapon and amounting to little as a result but more casualties on the list. BTW it's pronounced Val Jean (sounds like Jon) not Val Jeen. Do you call Jean-Luc Picard Jeen Luc? The ships name is ftom "Les Misersbles" which is where the whole Maquis theme comes from even referenced several times by Eddington in DS9.
25:10 The Borg collective would have been doomed with or without Voyager. 8472 would have systematically annihilated the Borg one system at a time if Janeway hadn't stopped them.
Don't forget that the Borg even was fighting with the dreaming Borg anomaly and the Queen blowing up affected cubes one by one, Janeway helped out with that as well....even if they would have managed to push back 8472 they would have massive problems.
What if: The Defiant Project wasn't abandoned following Wolf 359 ? What if: The 300,000+ 1701-D's, remained in Captain Riker's Parallel Universe ? (could you imagine the crew pep talks after that ?) Captain Riker: "You are the finest version, of the finest crew in this reality !" Lt.Crusher : "Better than the ship filled only with Data's ?" Captain Riker: "Yes ! ..no offense Data" Data: "None taken sir" Commander Worf: "Better than the version who were joined with the scorpion creatures which gives them super strength ?" Captain Riker: "Totally ! they lost all their memories !" Commander Barclay: "ahh.. umm.. even better than the Version with Three Deanna Troi's who refuse to wear clothes ?" Captain Riker: "Yeaasss.. wait.. what ? Is that a thing ?" Commander Barclay: "mm humm,.. one of them is their Transporter Chief" Captain Riker: "..." Deanna looks at Riker, Riker looks at Deanna Captain Riker : "There is no right answer to this, is there ?" Deanna "oh, there is.." Captain Riker : (Giggles) "Can you give me a hint ?" Deanna : "I will tonight".. (Everyone looks at Riker.. Riker Raises and lowers his eyebrows with a smile) Captain Riker: "Dismissed.."
I think not; people here keep underestimating Janeway. She would have never brought Voyager through the wormhole without some kind of tactical advantage against the Dominion.
Loved this video! What about a future addition of “what if” Jean Luc Picard never took command of the StarGazer ? Or “what if” Worf never was rescued from Khitomer?
There was something similar in the episode, Tapestry. Q said that version of Picard never took command of the Stargazers bridge when her captain was killed, so he stayed a lowly blue shirt. That Worf one is an interesting idea. Without him the Dominion war could have gone very differently as there would have been no one to recuse Martok and Bashir from that prison and consequently no one to tip off DS9 about that plot to blow up the Bajoran system.
@@TrekCentral there’s a potential expansion on the dominion war (if the dominion won) aftermath of how there could be a uprising of the old powers to retake the alpha quadrant (maybe the star ship voyager playing a part of helping the old Reminence to stage a uprising?)
The Borg would have trounced any other race except Species 472. They adapt to technology; they would have defeated the Dominion. The Breen and their energy-dampening device is another story.
Very interesting, I hope you continue with this. If you do, here are some suggestions for other Trek What If's: What if Admiral Marcus succeeded in Star Trek Into Darkness? What if Kirk merged with V'ger at the climax of The Motion Picture instead of Decker? What if the Texas-class replaced the California-class? What if Picard sacrificed himself at the climax of Nemesis instead of Data? What if Picard hadn't been saved from the Borg in 'The Best of Both Worlds'?
Great video! I know there were several ideas for Voyagers class, ranging from an angular version of what we got with a dorsal fin, to a sleeker updated Oberth variant; I'm wondering how the series would have faired if they'd gone in those directions?
I got one for you to do, Picard Finale, was the Enterprise D really the best ship to use, also they didn't need the saucer section, the ship is smaller and more maneuverable with out it, and there was the Defiant, Powerful and of course Voyager with Borg Proof Shields, I'd like to see that
If Voyager had not been lost, Janeway probably would have asked Tom Paris to stay on Voyager even going as far as to ask Admiral Paris to reactive his starfleet Commission. Had Tom and his father agreed, and the higher-ups at starfleet had no objection, Paris would become an acting Ensign being mentord by Janeway and assigned to Navigation and helm as night watch relief.
For a 30 min video you sure glaze over most of the important stuff & repeat yourself over & over. 1) Saying Voyager would be an unremarkable ship 10x should be edited out. That's nothing new. 2) Janeway wasn't a good Captain. She was a war criminal. Her unique circumstances allowed her to be the judge, jury, & executioner - which avoided any consequences of her actions since anything goes in the Delta Quadrant. 3) All you said about 7/9 was "Oh well they wouldn't have found her." Not that she doesn't join the Fenris Rangers, meet Picard, or end up on the Enterprise later on. Skimming over her? What gives? 4) Claiming Harry Kim would be promoted more often had he not been on Voyager. Hard disagree. You even disagree with yourself admitting he is a better officer because of his Delta Quadrant experiences, so when he gets back - he probably rises very quickly through the ranks. Faster than he would have otherwise. There are stories of people reaching Captain in 7 years or faster. Would Kim have? Probably not. However we have no canon material afterwards that explain his career advancement post Voyager, but I'm willing to bet he got 2-3 promotions within the 1st year back. Probably was Commander within 2-3 years. Captain within 5. That's 12-15 years to Captain. Either way, still a good pace to Captain. Only without his Voyager experience a much WORSE one. 5) You forget to mention major events like Belana Torres not having a child! Kes doesn't become a super powered being. Tuvix? Neelix isn't on the crew at all either. Species 8472 probably never know about the Federation for quite some time. The Romulans are actually on the map between them & The Federation. So the Romulans would have most likely joined the Federation to ask for help against them, or formed an alliance depending on when they arrived. This would have made the events right before Picard totally different because trust would have been established. There is so much more. I know how hard it is to make videos as I have a few channels myself. I can't imagine doing a 30 min video & not actually cover anything that mattered. It's like watching a book report that a kid rushed through. You can do better & should do better.
If she was back during the Dominion war, she would’ve been given a refit, upgraded shields to cope with the poleron bleed through from Dominion weapons, more powerful phasers, and a higher capacity torpedo system with a faster rate of fire. Also possibly some additional hull armor or structural enhancements to parts of the ship to provide additional battle damage protection, especially if the shields fail, so they aren’t entirely vulnerable.
What if starfleet replaced the Miranda class with intrepid class. Dominion wouldn't have had a chance. Science vessel really?. Voyager took on a borg tactical cube and did more damage than enterprise in best of both worlds.
I absolutely love alternative histories! Even if they're fictional histories. Here's one: What if Q hadn't "warned" the Federation sooner of the Borg? i.e. what if he hadn't flung the Enterprise-D to System J-25?
@@FekLeyrTarg OMG! That’s the ONLY ONE of the 3 Myriad Universes books that my husband doesn't own (he is a fan of alternative history in general); I've also read the two he has & reference them frequently in comments on TH-cam.
People saying Voyager would not make a difference in things like the dominion war fail to understand the niche that voyager would best fill. Voyager would not be best used in major battles, but in the traditional role of a cruiser. It was the fastest ship in the federation, even before it went to the delta quandrant. It had top of the line sensors. Thus it would be best for intelligence gathering, hit and run strikes, raiding logistics, and long range deep strikes. Just sending it on a long range operation to cover the circumference of the cardassian union would have forced the dominion to dedicate ships to either hunt it down or dedicate more forces to defend targets far from the front line (especially if Voyager was made leader of a task force of small but long endurance ships, a sort of destroyer leader like the Atlanta class was originally meant to be during ww2). It would not be as legendary as it ended up being, but i think if used properly and with a bit of luck, it could have been a major contributor to a federation victory. Addendum: some other operations it could be good for would be to supply maquis as a resistance movement against the cardassians and dominion, inserting specops, and other sneaky ops. Basically, it could use its speed to come from unexpected directions, arrive at locations faster than an adversary expects/can prepare for, run when it is outgunned, and overtake adversaries it could fight.
Assuming Undine doesnt purge the entire galaxy, The biggest difference would be Borg. Janeway annihilated the 99.9% of the Borg, who've been used to defeat Undine, via time travel. She pretty much saved the Federation TWICE!
Chakotay's ship name was the Valjean, from Les Misérables character Jean Valjean. So it's not pronounced Val-jean as the trousers but Val-Jean as in "JEAN-Luc Picard".
The bigger problem would have been the unknown race that discovered Omega hundreds of particles destabilising subspace across the delta quadrant at a minimum if not the reaching into the other three quadrants as well.
If Voyager didn't go missing Neelix would have remained a junk dealer on the other side of the Delta Quadrant. Maybe he still would have saved Kes, but her people would have either been trapped underground or enslaved by the Kazon. If Kes was still saved, maybe she found the other "Caretaker" and return to save her people.
Paris wouldn't have been returned to the penal colony. When she first approaches him about the badlands mission, Janeway says that afterwards, Paris would be cut loose. That would suggest he would then be a free citizen of the federation.
Would like to see a "What If?" about Adm. Leyton's coup against Pres. Jaresh Enyo succeeding, with Sisko, Janeway and Picard forming a resistance against Leyton and the resistance was allied with the Maquis.
If she didn't get lost in the Delta quadrant she more than likely would have gotten "lost" in the Gamma quadrant. If they had stayed in the alpha quadrant when they had completed their mission they probably would have been sent through the Bajoran wormhole for exploration where we learn a number of ships and a colony had been destroyed before the episode "The Jem'Hadar" that or possibly getting back to DS9 to warn Starfleet ahead of time
Only one nitpick - Voyager was a deep range tactical vessel, not a science ship - the Equinox was a science ship, and they got their butts handed to them. Almost all Starfleet vessels do science missions, but the Intrepid class wasn’t purpose-built for science.
STO refers to Voyager/Intrepid-class as a "long-range science vessel". Memory-Alpha also described her as a "The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions."
Voyager could still have ran a similar story during that war even if it was still in the alpha and beta quadrants. Except this time her mission could have been to find anything which may help win the war opposed to getting home. Remember Babylon 5 Crusade? A mission like that, a lone ship on a mission, just as it was in the delta quadrant. Same story, different situation and mission objective.
i disagree with the borg may be stronger without voyager in the delta quadrant, i believe they may of been wiped out or come close to being wiped out with the conflict with species 8472
Beyond the ship and crew itself; Star Trek Prodigy wouldn't have happened, as it used so much of the tech Voyager brought back and was entirely made for the purpose of revisiting the Delta quadrant. So maybe a follow up question should be what would have everyone's life have turned out with no Solum encounter, no Diviner, no slave collection, and so forth?
They should have had Voyager return to the Alpha Quadrant at the beginning of the last season and had a few episodes of it fighting in the Dominion War.
Love your Videos but can you please make a what if voyager was a galaxy class? This is a highly discussed topic in many reddit forums so i think it would be very interessting
Kes would have gone full caretaker mode and destroyed both the Borg and species 8472... The Cardassians would have forged an alliance with the Delta Quadrant due to Seska ... Riker would meet the expanded Cardassian Empire in the Delta Quadrant. Janeway would end up leaving Mark. Troi would end up leaving Riker... And go back to Worf... Jadzia would end up with the Creeper...but not die... Ezri would end up as an Orion Syndicate spy... and never be joined...
Voyager would've been destroyed, with all hands, during the 2nd Klingon/Federation war. It wouldn't even have made to be in the Dominion War. If, by some miracle that it did make it into the Dominion war, it DEFINITELY would've been destroyed at the first battle of Chintoka.
In response to fighting falcon 777. I disagree. I don’t think the Borg would’ve been destroyed. I think they would’ve sent a large fleet into the Alpha quadrant taking over the federation, Romulan and Klingon empires. With that diversity they probably would’ve come up with a solution themselves to deal with species 8472. So without voyager to provide a buffer, the Alpha & Beta quadrants would be no more.
Riddle me this???? Why is the federation classed as an alpha quadrant power, despite the vast majority of the federations territory is mostly in the beta quadrant?? I only noticed it when playing STO, so ive looked and their maps and it confirms what startrek onlines map. If someone answers, ya can double check please, especially in the TNG,DS9 and Voyager era.
Voyager (with just starfllet crew)woulnt be much good if in the same state as it was when it left to go into the badlands but i will admit however the voyager that returned with marquis and seven in the crew with the surviving starfleet crew?? Itll be another tough little ship to go along side siskos pimp slap, the defiant!
What if the Enterprise C was never destroyed in battle at the Narendra system ?. But other than that I loved the whole what if, Continue the great work Sr..
Actually the Galaxy would have been destroyed because the Borg still would have a tried to make contact and assimilate species 8472 leading to that war between the two of them and then species 8472 would have completely defeated the Borg and then moved on and began destroying and wiping out other species in the Delta quadrant and then Delta quadrant would become a foothold for species 8472 and they would spread out to the other quadrants from there
Ironically, enough Janeway probably saved many lives both Maquis and star fleet despite stranding them 70,000 light years from home made better that than a total war against superior adversaries
How about what would have happened if the other Capt Janeway....Niicole Janeway played by Geneive Bujold...had captained Voyager...how would she had been different in the Delta Quadrant?
My poor anhalt got nerfed a while back , and it’s shells never hit the same since, imagine having 19km range but ur a shotgun and cannot snipe, and ur only good dead close ap or midrange he , with worse pen and worse pen angles; it just makes me sad. I love my anhalt but it is an echo of a shadow lol the volleys are so trollie, one salvo bad disp another salvo bad grouping 😂
Honestly? Not much. Intrepid-class starships were science vessels, not warships or even good general purpose ships. If it survived it would have been a miracle. The Marquis crew would be see dead, Paris would still be in prison and Voyager would like be regulated to second-line duty.
Voyager suffered from writers running out of ideas. How many shuttle crashes did they have? Voyager was a good show overall, but it was NOT my favorite 90 eras trek. DS9 seasons 4-7 deserve recognition for being the best trek ever made. Voyagers BEST season was seasons 6&7.
Honestly, if not for Voyager being in the Delta Quadrant, it’s entirely possible the Undine/Species 8472 would have destroyed the Borg and the rest of life in the galaxy, since they seemed pretty intent on killing everyone in the Milky Way after dealing with the Borg
Same goes for the Krenim, omega, and Q civil war. All of those could've radically changed the galaxy.
There are more than enough aliens with godlike powers in the Milky Way to stop 8472. Metrons, Organians, Cytherians, Douwd, Q, etc. can all make 8472 go back to their own dimension.
They only went after species that were contaminated by the Borg and any Borg planet and ship either than that they had no interest in the rest of the Delta quadrant
@@Dan__S Krenim would have been local space issue just like Omega for the most part and eventually Q would have been captured and killed after a few more supernova's. The Delta Quadrant would have been tore up but the rest of the galaxy say a few random nova's would have been fine. 8472 would have eventually discovered the Borg Transwarp hubs and spread across the whole galaxy conducting a full on purge.
Actually the Q civil war wouldn't have happened. The Q who wanted to commit suicide wood have remain locked in that asteroid that Voyager found him inside of in the prime timeline.
Also the chance that 7 of 9 would have died in the Borg-8472 war.
-Voyager wouldn't even be a footnote in any history book. Possibly destroyed during the Dominion War or relegated to chauffeuring diplomats around.
-Instead of the Bellerophon transporting Admiral Ross, Sloan, and Dr. Bashir to Romulus, it could have been Voyager.
-Chakotay and crew would either have been in a Federation prison or killed by the Dominion except for Seska. The Cardassians would retrieve her.
-Dreadnought would have impacted Rakosa V, killing thousands if not millions.
-Seven would still be a drone.
-Species 8472 would have tried to destroy all life in the galaxy.
-The Krenem time ship would still exist and altering destinies in the Delta Quadrant.
-The Doctor would be replaced by the EMH Mark II, and the Mark II would be replaced by the Mark III, and so on and Lewis Zimmerman would have eventually died from his illness.
-The Equinox would have eventually been destroyed by those creatures.
-Tom Paris would still be in a penal colony.
-Slip Stream technology wouldn't be known.
-The 37's would still be on ice.
-The Vaadwaur would still be on ice.
malon poison the void, think tank survives...
Without super officer Tom the warp 10 barrier would likely not be broken for a considerable time and the Delta fliers wouldn't exist so the standard shuttle would still be the only option for ships without an stronger option for dangerous missions
Amelia Earhart would still have been a mystery.
also the real harry and naomi would survive...at least until 29th century when braxton's ship destroys the solar system and we reset to do it all again?
@@aerisgainsborough2141 braxton's paradox would never have happened as voyager wouldn't be in the delta quadrant for b. So that never leads to c which leads to a which leads to b.
One thing for sure, Janeway wouldn't want her coffee be any different.
11:35 Carey was not Voyager's original chief engineer. If he had been, then there would not have been a need to fill the role. He was the next in line to fill the rolle, but Chakotay pushed for Torres to get it.
You got the thumbs up from me by mentioning the improved rank advancement chances of Harry Kim...
Voyager would have been a standard unimpressive vessel. Those 7 years shaped their reputation. The technology gleaned from interaction with other advanced races, along with 7 of 9's expertise, and well as Admiral Janeway showing up and getting them home early, made Voyager legendary.
Now I'm curious what would have happened if Voyager's crew had still been alive after being sent to the Delta Quadrant. I feel like the Starfleet-Maquis dynamic would have taken a lot longer to balance out than it did. Chakotay wouldn't be first officer, Paris wouldn't have been the main helmsman, the EMH would probably have not been used often and who knows what would have happened with B'Elanna.
Chakotay and the others would have either ended up in prison, or killed by the Jem'Hadar. Seven of Nine would've never been rescued, Voyager may have been put into the front lines of the Dominion War, but Neelix would've never been an eternal annoyance.
Really don't see Voyager lasting long in the Dominion war - JW skills are primary scientific exploration her command rigidity doesn't allow her to be very adaptive.
Since the Federation is mostly OP against most of it enemies - it's not a really big time problem. I could see her managing a couple of tactical retreats - but on the long run, she would have kept to standard Federation SOP. And thus entrapped by the Gem'dhar.
Ohh, no nelix, now thats a pleasant thought!!
@DavidEvans_dle i mean they would either recrew the ship appropriately or not choose to send Janeway into combat. Or if they did, the specific missions/functions would be more suited.
That said, most starfleet captains and crew are no doubt more interested in science and exploration, and the way they typically solve a situation is through clever application of that scientific acumen. The purely strategic or tactical victories are far less common than the technobabble ones. So Janeway would probably do fine, though without the shield of title ship, they may not get the chance to clever their way out of the first bad situation.
Are we assuming the Maquis ship isn't taken either?
@@DavidEvans_dleNot adaptive?
Just….stop lmao
What if the uss enterprise 1701- D survive the battle of veridien 3
Point of diversion? Geordie tasks someone else with rotating the shield frequencies while he does something else. After the Enterprise shakes off a few impotent shots from the Duras ship, the fight is ended rather abruptly.
@@DrewLSsix That battle is kinda dumb as well. If you recreate it with Bridge Commander the Enterprise D easily defeats that BoP even without its shields, just take it head on with full weapons firing.
Please make a what if, Janeway was assigned to Deep Space Nine and Sisko was the Captain of Voyager.
Without the pimp hand the federation loses the dominion war.
This. I want a video of this. Nicely done👍
@@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God In the Visitor timeline the Dominion War never happens, so without Sisko there's no war to lose.
I think each would have been capable of the other's assignments.
Sisko would've turned it down. There's no families on Voyager and Jake was the only thing he cared about before the events of Emissary.
Janeway's lack of experience would've doomed her mission on DS9. I mean, we know she had to be a first officer at some point. But there's still this "more confidence than experience" air about her at the start of Caretaker.
What if the enterprise was lost in the delta quadrant
Worf: "prepare for ramming speed!"
*everyone dies*
They would still be there
D or E?? Although both could be interesting discussions.
@@deaks25 honestly I would pick E. But both would be very very interesting indeed
Would be interesting to see a video on what would’ve happened if Spock stayed dead in Yesteryear. It feels like that could affect so many things in multiple directions of the timeline! Or even another universe!
Yes! Such a timeline got explored in the Star Trek: Myriad Universes novel "The Chimes at Midnight". First officer Commander Thelin reigns!
@@arko09 I think I remember bits and pieces of that. I’m just wondering now that we have Discovery in the timeline how that would affect things. Michael Burnham would’ve lived with them for a year before Spock passed (clearly we did not see that in TAS).
@@GeekFilterwe already know Burnham has an extreme amount of guilt concerning Spock. If he died while she was there who know what effect that would have had on her? Starting with the death of her parents, Michael's whole character arc revolves around a sense of outsized responsibility, responsibility for their deaths, responsibility to protect her ship crew and federation from the same threat. Responsibility for the danger Spock was in on Vulcan.
I could see his death, even not directly related to her, driving her down a much darker path.
I'd really love a story about Sybok and Michael in a post Spock setting, Sy was already destined to be a radical and Michael an obsessive, I could see them together in their early adulthood getting down to some pretty spectacular shenanigans.
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Without Spock, there would have been no reunification with the Romulans. In the season 1 finale of Strange New Worlds “A Quality of Mercy”(SPOILERS),
Captain Pike learns that in all future timelines where he avoids the accident, Spock is either killed or grievously injured; Pike is also informed of the pivotal role in history that Spock plays in the future. After this, Pike chooses to accept his future in the “beep chair”.
So basically, there's a VERY good reason why Voyager was preserved in the Fleet Museum...
Apparently the Intrepid class were in high demand during the Dominion War as blockade runners and fast transports (Which is what the Bellerophon is seen doing if I remember right), because they were some of the fastest ships in the entire Alliance and even stock Intrepid's were tough ships when it came to a fight.
As a fan of Voyager and the the Intrepid design overall, seeing her in the Fleet Museum in PIC S3 was a bit of a highlight of that season
Probably destroyed! Voyager is no Defiant, and Janeway is no Sisko.
I disagree; Janeway and Voyager survived 7 years in the Delta Quadrant. The Equinox, also lost in the Delta Quadrant, under Captain Ransom barely survived half that time and eventually was lost due to a warp core breach with Ransom in the Captain's chair. All hands were lost, with the exception of maybe 5 crewmen assigned to Voyager. Janeway is just as capable as Sisko, Kirk, or Picard. And they all made some serious errors at one point or another
@@charlesdavis545 Well if she wasn't in the Delta Quadrant all those upgrade would be missing and i'd say a stock Intrepid/Voyager would just be another ship destroyed in the war.
@@Leidnix Janeway would still be resourceful no matter where she was or who was served under her. She would have still been an asset during any war.
Janeway is the WORST CAPTAIN EVER, she should of had a mutiny, when she decided to turn Q down, after he offered to take them back home. I mean, the crew didn't sign up to get lost, and never see their families again. I'm sure Starfleet has limited contracts. Someone who signs a 2-4 yr contract, is not expecting to never see their wife, children, parents, etc. ever again. We know how Voyager got home a little earlier than it was supposed to. But, still. She unilaterally chose to make the crew stay lost in space, with the possibility of death EVERY SECOND of EVERY DAY.
If Voyager wasn't stranded in the Delta Quadrant, then Prodigy wouldn't have happened as it relies on technology gained from Voyager's trip through the Delta Quadrant.. 😛
I'm Curious and wondering what would of happened IF, Instead of Voyager got transported to the delta Quadrant, but a Sovereign Class maybe not Enterprise, but say USS Sovereign or something. How would things happen differently?????
It's all in the Captain and crew; the ship is secondary. Look what happened to the Odyssey in DS9; an overconfident Captain loses a Galaxy Class ship due to suicide Jem H'Dar's kamikaze run.
If it were the enterprise, picard would have said "forget these ocampa, this is fucking borg space" 😂
I was just thinking about this the other day. Starfleet would certainly be poorer if Voyager hadn't gone missing as the bounty of scientific and technological advancements they returned with significantly advanced the Federetion decades if not upto a hundred years or two in some areas. Not to mention the recognition of photonic lifeforms and how to sustain them long term.
If she'd stayed, they'd have been just another Starship in the Dominion war, maybe even destroyed by the Breen weapon and amounting to little as a result but more casualties on the list.
BTW it's pronounced Val Jean (sounds like Jon) not Val Jeen. Do you call Jean-Luc Picard Jeen Luc? The ships name is ftom "Les Misersbles" which is where the whole Maquis theme comes from even referenced several times by Eddington in DS9.
25:10 The Borg collective would have been doomed with or without Voyager. 8472 would have systematically annihilated the Borg one system at a time if Janeway hadn't stopped them.
Don't forget that the Borg even was fighting with the dreaming Borg anomaly and the Queen blowing up affected cubes one by one, Janeway helped out with that as well....even if they would have managed to push back 8472 they would have massive problems.
What if: The Defiant Project wasn't abandoned following Wolf 359 ?
What if: The 300,000+ 1701-D's, remained in Captain Riker's Parallel Universe ?
(could you imagine the crew pep talks after that ?)
Captain Riker: "You are the finest version, of the finest crew in this reality !"
Lt.Crusher : "Better than the ship filled only with Data's ?"
Captain Riker: "Yes ! ..no offense Data"
Data: "None taken sir"
Commander Worf: "Better than the version who were joined with the scorpion creatures which gives them super strength ?"
Captain Riker: "Totally ! they lost all their memories !"
Commander Barclay: "ahh.. umm.. even better than the Version with Three Deanna Troi's who refuse to wear clothes ?"
Captain Riker: "Yeaasss.. wait.. what ? Is that a thing ?"
Commander Barclay: "mm humm,.. one of them is their Transporter Chief"
Captain Riker: "..."
Deanna looks at Riker, Riker looks at Deanna
Captain Riker : "There is no right answer to this, is there ?"
Deanna "oh, there is.."
Captain Riker : (Giggles) "Can you give me a hint ?"
Deanna : "I will tonight"..
(Everyone looks at Riker.. Riker Raises and lowers his eyebrows with a smile)
Captain Riker: "Dismissed.."
Voyager in the dominion war they would have ended up like The Odyssey jemhadar fighter ramming right into the deflector or nacelle
I think not; people here keep underestimating Janeway. She would have never brought Voyager through the wormhole without some kind of tactical advantage against the Dominion.
Loved this video! What about a future addition of “what if” Jean Luc Picard never took command of the StarGazer ?
Or “what if” Worf never was rescued from Khitomer?
There was something similar in the episode, Tapestry. Q said that version of Picard never took command of the Stargazers bridge when her captain was killed, so he stayed a lowly blue shirt.
That Worf one is an interesting idea. Without him the Dominion war could have gone very differently as there would have been no one to recuse Martok and Bashir from that prison and consequently no one to tip off DS9 about that plot to blow up the Bajoran system.
What if the dominion won the war in the alpha quadrant?
What if the borg and the dominion had a full out war, who would win?
You should look up lore reloaded on you tube, he's done a number of videos on alternative history. Highly recommended.
I love this idea!
- Jack
@@TrekCentral there’s a potential expansion on the dominion war (if the dominion won) aftermath of how there could be a uprising of the old powers to retake the alpha quadrant (maybe the star ship voyager playing a part of helping the old Reminence to stage a uprising?)
The Borg would fold up the Dominion without too much trouble, I think. Assimilate a Jem'Hadar fighter, and their first target would be the Great Link.
The Borg would have trounced any other race except Species 472. They adapt to technology; they would have defeated the Dominion. The Breen and their energy-dampening device is another story.
Very interesting, I hope you continue with this. If you do, here are some suggestions for other Trek What If's:
What if Admiral Marcus succeeded in Star Trek Into Darkness?
What if Kirk merged with V'ger at the climax of The Motion Picture instead of Decker?
What if the Texas-class replaced the California-class?
What if Picard sacrificed himself at the climax of Nemesis instead of Data?
What if Picard hadn't been saved from the Borg in 'The Best of Both Worlds'?
Great video! I know there were several ideas for Voyagers class, ranging from an angular version of what we got with a dorsal fin, to a sleeker updated Oberth variant; I'm wondering how the series would have faired if they'd gone in those directions?
Would have fired 16,000 photon torpedos but sadly lost 83 shuttlecraft
I got one for you to do, Picard Finale, was the Enterprise D really the best ship to use, also they didn't need the saucer section, the ship is smaller and more maneuverable with out it, and there was the Defiant, Powerful and of course Voyager with Borg Proof Shields, I'd like to see that
How would Star Trek Picard turn out without Seven of Nine?
If Voyager had not been lost, Janeway probably would have asked Tom Paris to stay on Voyager even going as far as to ask Admiral Paris to reactive his starfleet Commission. Had Tom and his father agreed, and the higher-ups at starfleet had no objection, Paris would become an acting Ensign being mentord by Janeway and assigned to Navigation and helm as night watch relief.
For a 30 min video you sure glaze over most of the important stuff & repeat yourself over & over.
1) Saying Voyager would be an unremarkable ship 10x should be edited out. That's nothing new.
2) Janeway wasn't a good Captain. She was a war criminal. Her unique circumstances allowed her to be the judge, jury, & executioner - which avoided any consequences of her actions since anything goes in the Delta Quadrant.
3) All you said about 7/9 was "Oh well they wouldn't have found her." Not that she doesn't join the Fenris Rangers, meet Picard, or end up on the Enterprise later on. Skimming over her? What gives?
4) Claiming Harry Kim would be promoted more often had he not been on Voyager. Hard disagree. You even disagree with yourself admitting he is a better officer because of his Delta Quadrant experiences, so when he gets back - he probably rises very quickly through the ranks. Faster than he would have otherwise. There are stories of people reaching Captain in 7 years or faster. Would Kim have? Probably not. However we have no canon material afterwards that explain his career advancement post Voyager, but I'm willing to bet he got 2-3 promotions within the 1st year back. Probably was Commander within 2-3 years. Captain within 5. That's 12-15 years to Captain. Either way, still a good pace to Captain. Only without his Voyager experience a much WORSE one.
5) You forget to mention major events like Belana Torres not having a child! Kes doesn't become a super powered being. Tuvix? Neelix isn't on the crew at all either. Species 8472 probably never know about the Federation for quite some time. The Romulans are actually on the map between them & The Federation. So the Romulans would have most likely joined the Federation to ask for help against them, or formed an alliance depending on when they arrived. This would have made the events right before Picard totally different because trust would have been established.
There is so much more. I know how hard it is to make videos as I have a few channels myself. I can't imagine doing a 30 min video & not actually cover anything that mattered. It's like watching a book report that a kid rushed through. You can do better & should do better.
I wonder if Star Trek will ever be real probably not but it’ll be fantastic if it did end up real I think
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If she was back during the Dominion war, she would’ve been given a refit, upgraded shields to cope with the poleron bleed through from Dominion weapons, more powerful phasers, and a higher capacity torpedo system with a faster rate of fire. Also possibly some additional hull armor or structural enhancements to parts of the ship to provide additional battle damage protection, especially if the shields fail, so they aren’t entirely vulnerable.
I disagree with one point. Without Voyager’s intervention, Species 8472 (sorry if I got the number wrong) would have destroyed the Borg in their war.
Agreed. They would have been far more damaging than The Dominion
What if starfleet replaced the Miranda class with intrepid class. Dominion wouldn't have had a chance. Science vessel really?. Voyager took on a borg tactical cube and did more damage than enterprise in best of both worlds.
I absolutely love alternative histories! Even if they're fictional histories.
Here's one: What if Q hadn't "warned" the Federation sooner of the Borg? i.e. what if he hadn't flung the Enterprise-D to System J-25?
11:12 What is the source of that story? I'm assuming it’s beta canon.
@@augiegirl1 It's from a story in the Myriad Universes novels called "A Gutted World". :-)
@@FekLeyrTarg OMG! That’s the ONLY ONE of the 3 Myriad Universes books that my husband doesn't own (he is a fan of alternative history in general); I've also read the two he has & reference them frequently in comments on TH-cam.
0:24 say what now?? A future admiral captain janeway?? Ya mean a future admiral janeway, yeah?
People saying Voyager would not make a difference in things like the dominion war fail to understand the niche that voyager would best fill. Voyager would not be best used in major battles, but in the traditional role of a cruiser. It was the fastest ship in the federation, even before it went to the delta quandrant. It had top of the line sensors. Thus it would be best for intelligence gathering, hit and run strikes, raiding logistics, and long range deep strikes. Just sending it on a long range operation to cover the circumference of the cardassian union would have forced the dominion to dedicate ships to either hunt it down or dedicate more forces to defend targets far from the front line (especially if Voyager was made leader of a task force of small but long endurance ships, a sort of destroyer leader like the Atlanta class was originally meant to be during ww2). It would not be as legendary as it ended up being, but i think if used properly and with a bit of luck, it could have been a major contributor to a federation victory.
Addendum: some other operations it could be good for would be to supply maquis as a resistance movement against the cardassians and dominion, inserting specops, and other sneaky ops. Basically, it could use its speed to come from unexpected directions, arrive at locations faster than an adversary expects/can prepare for, run when it is outgunned, and overtake adversaries it could fight.
Assuming Undine doesnt purge the entire galaxy, The biggest difference would be Borg.
Janeway annihilated the 99.9% of the Borg, who've been used to defeat Undine, via time travel.
She pretty much saved the Federation TWICE!
Chakotay's ship name was the Valjean, from Les Misérables character Jean Valjean. So it's not pronounced Val-jean as the trousers but Val-Jean as in "JEAN-Luc Picard".
The bigger problem would have been the unknown race that discovered Omega hundreds of particles destabilising subspace across the delta quadrant at a minimum if not the reaching into the other three quadrants as well.
If Voyager didn't go missing Neelix would have remained a junk dealer on the other side of the Delta
Quadrant. Maybe he still would have saved Kes, but her people would have either been trapped
underground or enslaved by the Kazon.
If Kes was still saved, maybe she found the other "Caretaker" and return to save her people.
Paris wouldn't have been returned to the penal colony.
When she first approaches him about the badlands mission, Janeway says that afterwards, Paris would be cut loose. That would suggest he would then be a free citizen of the federation.
Would like to see a "What If?" about Adm. Leyton's coup against Pres. Jaresh Enyo succeeding, with Sisko, Janeway and Picard forming a resistance against Leyton and the resistance was allied with the Maquis.
If she didn't get lost in the Delta quadrant she more than likely would have gotten "lost" in the Gamma quadrant. If they had stayed in the alpha quadrant when they had completed their mission they probably would have been sent through the Bajoran wormhole for exploration where we learn a number of ships and a colony had been destroyed before the episode "The Jem'Hadar" that or possibly getting back to DS9 to warn Starfleet ahead of time
Only one nitpick - Voyager was a deep range tactical vessel, not a science ship - the Equinox was a science ship, and they got their butts handed to them. Almost all Starfleet vessels do science missions, but the Intrepid class wasn’t purpose-built for science.
STO refers to Voyager/Intrepid-class as a "long-range science vessel". Memory-Alpha also described her as a "The Intrepid-class was designed for long-term exploration missions."
If Voyager never went missing, Neelix will never found out that there's a colony Talaxians.
Voyager could still have ran a similar story during that war even if it was still in the alpha and beta quadrants. Except this time her mission could have been to find anything which may help win the war opposed to getting home. Remember Babylon 5 Crusade? A mission like that, a lone ship on a mission, just as it was in the delta quadrant. Same story, different situation and mission objective.
And the most devastating and heartbreaking of all... Tuvix still wouldn't have been allowed to exist.
I would love to see the Borg match up with the numbers of the Dominion.
i disagree with the borg may be stronger without voyager in the delta quadrant, i believe they may of been wiped out or come close to being wiped out with the conflict with species 8472
I can see why it was important for Voyager to be cast into the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker.
Really enjoying the what-if content. Keep it up!
Beyond the ship and crew itself; Star Trek Prodigy wouldn't have happened, as it used so much of the tech Voyager brought back and was entirely made for the purpose of revisiting the Delta quadrant. So maybe a follow up question should be what would have everyone's life have turned out with no Solum encounter, no Diviner, no slave collection, and so forth?
They should have had Voyager return to the Alpha Quadrant at the beginning of the last season and had a few episodes of it fighting in the Dominion War.
Love your Videos but can you please make a what if voyager was a galaxy class? This is a
highly discussed topic in many reddit forums so i think it would be very interessting
Wasn't voyager designed for combat? I seem to recall that being mentioned in the first episode
Never seen but has anyone discussed what th fleet size and the ships involved at Voyager's return? ...always curious on that one.
Kes would have gone full caretaker mode and destroyed both the Borg and species 8472...
The Cardassians would have forged an alliance with the Delta Quadrant due to Seska ...
Riker would meet the expanded Cardassian Empire in the Delta Quadrant.
Janeway would end up leaving Mark. Troi would end up leaving Riker... And go back to Worf...
Jadzia would end up with the Creeper...but not die...
Ezri would end up as an Orion Syndicate spy... and never be joined...
Voyager would've been destroyed, with all hands, during the 2nd Klingon/Federation war. It wouldn't even have made to be in the Dominion War. If, by some miracle that it did make it into the Dominion war, it DEFINITELY would've been destroyed at the first battle of Chintoka.
In response to fighting falcon 777. I disagree. I don’t think the Borg would’ve been destroyed. I think they would’ve sent a large fleet into the Alpha quadrant taking over the federation, Romulan and Klingon empires. With that diversity they probably would’ve come up with a solution themselves to deal with species 8472. So without voyager to provide a buffer, the Alpha & Beta quadrants would be no more.
If Voyager never went missing = no tv show. The End 😅😋
Federation will had no advance Trans Warp Technology that stolen from Borg 😂
Enterprise F would be less advanced than Enterprise E 😂
The best timeline is one where Neelix isn't on screen!
Agreed; he and Kes were the weakest link.
The Borg were getting their ASSES destroyed by Species 8472 until Voyager showed up!!!!!
Riddle me this???? Why is the federation classed as an alpha quadrant power, despite the vast majority of the federations territory is mostly in the beta quadrant?? I only noticed it when playing STO, so ive looked and their maps and it confirms what startrek onlines map. If someone answers, ya can double check please, especially in the TNG,DS9 and Voyager era.
Voyager (with just starfllet crew)woulnt be much good if in the same state as it was when it left to go into the badlands but i will admit however the voyager that returned with marquis and seven in the crew with the surviving starfleet crew?? Itll be another tough little ship to go along side siskos pimp slap, the defiant!
What if the Enterprise C was never destroyed in battle at the Narendra system ?. But other than that I loved the whole what if, Continue the great work Sr..
Thanks Andrew! A big shout out to our own Andrew who wrote this video! We'll keep up the great work!
Actually the Galaxy would have been destroyed because the Borg still would have a tried to make contact and assimilate species 8472 leading to that war between the two of them and then species 8472 would have completely defeated the Borg and then moved on and began destroying and wiping out other species in the Delta quadrant and then Delta quadrant would become a foothold for species 8472 and they would spread out to the other quadrants from there
When I got the subtitles on, it says "the Kardashians". :)
A hospital ship?!?!? Their Sick-bay could barely handle the standard crew size...
Pretty sure Kim would still be an ensign if Voyager wouldn't have been stranded in the Delta Quadrant.
Voyager was a range sci ship. Not a war ship no fighting skill. Delta quad was trial by fire for janeway and co.
5:04 Yet all the Maquis are massacred by the Dominion anyway.
Love this wat if serise
The real question is what is up with Voyager in the Kelvin timeline?
Ironically, enough Janeway probably saved many lives both Maquis and star fleet despite stranding them 70,000 light years from home made better that than a total war against superior adversaries
How about what would have happened if the other Capt Janeway....Niicole Janeway played by Geneive Bujold...had captained Voyager...how would she had been different in the Delta Quadrant?
There wouldn't have been seven seasons. LOL. She would have been better as one of the many Borg Queens.
We wouldnt have sensor data on the actual big bang... thats a thing that happened in cannon.
What if the enterprise d p pre-board encounter was transported to the Delta quadrant
How about a what if with the romulan Earth war with the wasp in Dallas last ships
Not too bad, could have been reduced by about a third due to the multiple repeats of the same information. Was the script written by an AI?
The doctor would be the biggest tragedy in this scenario 😢
Atleast Harry would've been promoted. Unless he was killed during the war.
what if voyager got lost in the gamma quadrant instead of the delta quadrant and ended up fighting the dominion instead of the borg.
My poor anhalt got nerfed a while back , and it’s shells never hit the same since, imagine having 19km range but ur a shotgun and cannot snipe, and ur only good dead close ap or midrange he , with worse pen and worse pen angles; it just makes me sad. I love my anhalt but it is an echo of a shadow lol the volleys are so trollie, one salvo bad disp another salvo bad grouping 😂
what if the borg assimilated the dominion? Shape shifting drones?
What if Votager went home thru the Gamma quadrant?
I'm glad it happened the way it did.
If Voyager hadn't been lost in delta quadrant maybe.. just maybe.. Kim would have been promoted...
Nah too radical a change, impossible in fact. Poor guy never got a break.
What if Captain Esteban of the USS Grissom had beamed aboard teen Spock when told he'd been resurrected shortly before the ships destruction
Honestly? Not much. Intrepid-class starships were science vessels, not warships or even good general purpose ships. If it survived it would have been a miracle. The Marquis crew would be see dead, Paris would still be in prison and Voyager would like be regulated to second-line duty.
It survived seven years alone in the Delta Quadrant. Why would it not survive in the Alpha quadrant? That doesn't make sense.
What about the USS Equinox?
species 8472 would have spread throughout the galaxy and cause havoc for the federation and everyone else in the galaxy
Voyager suffered from writers running out of ideas. How many shuttle crashes did they have? Voyager was a good show overall, but it was NOT my favorite 90 eras trek. DS9 seasons 4-7 deserve recognition for being the best trek ever made. Voyagers BEST season was seasons 6&7.
What if the Federation became allies with the Romulans instead of the Klingons
Admiral Ross flag ship was an intrepid class
The borg wouldnt be crippled and destroyed in picard s3
And don't forget Species 8472 would have wiped out the Borg and mort of the Galaxy!
What if the Vulcans didn't detect the Phoenix?
How about what would happen during the the Dominion war if Voyager showed up earlier with that improve ablative shield armor and torpedoes? 🤣