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QI | When Did WWII End?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2014
- 15 December: On this day in 1941, the US entered World War Two.
From QI Series C, Episode 4 - 'Cheating'
With Alexander Armstrong, Jeremy Clarkson, John Sessions and Alan Davies
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I think that if the country you're at war with ceases to exist, it's safe to say that the war is over and your side won.
I can see it in 1990: “I say Monty, where are you going with that tank battalion? Oh the war the Jerries you know. We’re making the final push to Berlin!”
God bless America
Wouldn't a war end as soon as one of the parties *ceased* to exist, rather than waiting to end until they existed again??
yeah, what if Germany never reunited? Then the war would still be technically going on? This is BS.
I thought this was going to be about that Japanese soldier that everyone forgot about for a couple of decades that hadn't surrendered.
That wouldn't count.
This is so wrong. Unified Germany is not a successor state of East and West Germany, it's a continuation of the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany).
Yeah, and the allies weren’t exactly fighting East and/or west Germany in ww2 either.
Actually, WWII has not ended yet. WWII was not just European conflict and Russia and Japan never signed peace treaty due to Kuril Islands dispute.
Gz!
Japan didn't sign it, but the Soviet Union did
Peace Treaty isn't in effect if only one party signs it...Then it wouldn't really be a treaty.
World War 2 ended in 1945 by all conceivable legal definitions of war. The fact that there remains a territorial dispute between Japan and Russia does not constitute an international armed conflict (which is the legal definition of a "war"). A war ends, in the legal sense, with the cessation of hostilities and the general close of military operations.
@@MarkHogan994 This is why you're not on the show, or are you David Mitchell?
I went in to my place of work, my local pub, a large family gathering and any stranger who cared to listen and proclaimed loud and mighty that the Second World War ended in 1990. I gave the same explanation QI gave and as a result I have been laughed at, beaten up, disowned by my children and sectioned under the Mental Health Act. Thank you QI
I can't tell whether you actually intended to convince people that all this happened.
@@tommythecat7752 The point is, WWII ended in 1945. Everyone knows this, even the left wing twats who produce QI
@@tommythecat7752 And believe me if I did go round telling people that WWII ended in 1990, the consequences I listed would probably all come true. Stephen Fry is a stupid person's idea of an intellectual, in much the same way as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are
And technically the Punic Wars didn't end until 1985 when the mayors of Rome and modern Carthage signed a peace treaty and "pact of friendship".
So the Civil War never ended since the CSA no longer exists? This reasoning makes zero sense.
There’s one slight problem with that answer. The reunited state of Germany is officially the enlarged continuation of the Federal Republic of Germany, aka West Germany, with the capital relocated from Bonn to Berlin.
Which is why, you can see that Merkel’s predecessor in her office was Gerhard Schroeder, whose own predecessor was Helmut Kohl.
In contrast, the man with the funny mustache was succeeded only by Donitz. The version of Germany that was placed under the former’s brutal regime did not long outlive him, and was not re-established in 1990. It no longer exists today.
As for the treaty that, at long last, settled the status of postwar Germany, it resolved (far from perfectly) a dispute left over from the war. But suggesting it ended the war itself is mere disingenuous clickbait.
Oktober 3rd 1990, not September.
20 points? I don't understand the scoring system.
No one does.
Colin does. They had a whole bit about "Colin"
haha, weird to think that i was alive "during" world war II.
You weren't. World War 2 ended in 1945 by all conceivable legal definitions of war. A war ends, in the legal sense, with the cessation of hostilities and the general close of military operations. What was said in this clip is flat out incorrect. I just finished 3 years of study on international law, in particular the law of war, at the University of Geneva, and I don't know a single legal expert or historian who would agree with this conception.
Mark Hogan why do you think he put quotes around “during” dumbass
there js a lot of debate about what oficially counts as the end of ww2, a surrender doesnt ingerently mean the war has ended
It is not accurate, imho. If we go after this logic, then there was no Germany in 1939 as well... There was German Reich (Deutsches Reich) or Greater German Reich (Großdeutsches Reich), and after the reunification in 1990 there is Federal Republic of Germany (Bundesrepublik Deutschland).
Technically, WW2 still isn't over. WW2 wasn't just between the British empire and Germany, it was also between lots of other countries too, including between Russia and Japan, and the 2 still haven't officially signed a peace treaty because they can't agree on who the Kuril islands belong to.
Ive said it before on here but I'll say it again, John Sessions never seemed to understand the point of QI, which was give answer, get the buzzer, have some banter, then give the real answer, he was just always like 'i know I know'
stephen fry looks iike HORRY POOTER
Like how the Third Punic War ended in 1985
Everyone in 1990 still fighting in the Second World War against a country that didn't exist sounds like a scifi plot or a South Park episode.
Unfortunately Fry has a bad habit of twisting the facts-he would make a good politician, he is the Master of Spin. West Germany was a member of NATO in 1955, East Germany was a member of The Warsaw Pact. Not sure how you can be at war with front line allies. The Treaty he is referring to is 2+4 Treaty of 1991 which released Germany (by then united) from any post war restrictions. The UK, France & US decided to end the state of war in 1951 in the Petersberg Agreement of 1950, Australia (9 July), Canada, Italy, New Zealand, the Netherlands (26 July), South Africa, the United Kingdom (9 July), and the United States (19 October).The state of war between Germany and the Soviet Union was ended in early 1955. Fry does this regularly, he is totally incompetent.
or possibly some behind the scenes researchers and producers who handed him his cards, though to be fair i've no idea how involved Stephen was with getting the facts for the show.
@@christianforsstrom2222 one would hope that the researchers would do a better job than that, plus Fry is Cambridge educated and again one would have higher expectations of someone as well educated as him. I have noticed in the past tho that he sometimes gets his facts in a right twist. Something that his replacement doesn't. Not quite sure why there is a difference.
WW2 have not ended, as mentioned, Russia and Japan have not signed any peace treaty while China P.R and both Korea were left out at the Treaty of San Francisco which was the final peace treaty for WW2.
It is actually not remotely required that there be a peace treaty between all parties for a war to end. Actually, no peace treaty is required at all. A war ends, in the legal sense, with the cessation of hostilities and the general close of military operations. The fact that there remains a territorial dispute between Japan and Russia does not constitute an international armed conflict (which is the legal definition of a "war"). WW2 ended in 1945.
Funny how Americans are always being called arrogant by Europeans, yet based on Alan’s original answer it’s apparently a common belief in Britain that WW2 was just a war between Britain and Germany.
doornik1142 why does saying 1945 make you think that?
neilinely 1945 has got nothing to do with it. Alan clearly says the war was between Britain and Germany.
doornik1142 he did, I missed that - though in defence, his original answer was 1945!
Very well said!
hört.zu.und.wiederholen "I don't know any Brit or European that thinks it was just a war between Germany and Britain."
Well I don't know any Americans who think the war was just between Germany and America, yet we get slapped with that stereotype anyway.
And in point of fact, you do know of a Brit who thinks that: Alan Davies
While normally I'd be willing to believe it's just Alan and most British people don't think that way, I can't help but notice that no one in the studio reacted to what he said. The audience didn't laugh or boo at his comment. Even Steven Fry, who once corrected a QI guest on the difference between "less" and "fewer", couldn't muster up so much as a giggle at Alan's wildly wrong statement.
Total horseshit answer. It ended in 1945.
Huh? That's not true lol
That's bullshit
Did WW2 even technically end because Russia and Japan never signed a treaty right?
It is actually not remotely required that there be a peace treaty between all parties for a war to end. Actually, no peace treaty is required at all. A war ends, in the legal sense, with the cessation of hostilities and the general close of military operations. The fact that there remains a territorial dispute between Japan and Russia does not constitute an international armed conflict (which is the legal definition of a "war"). WW2 ended in 1945.
Horribly pedantic and one example of how the QI elves can get on one's nerves.
That's kind of the point of the show.
One person's pedantry is another's curious fact.
Not horribly pedantic- horribly wrong