QI | Who Snubbed Jesse Owens At The 1936 Olympics?
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- 1 August: On this day in 1936, the Berlin Olympics opened.
From QI Series I, Episode 2 - 'International'
With Bill Bailey, Jack Dee, David Mitchell and Alan Davies
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German people actually treated Jessie Owens very well, he was mobbed in the streets for his autograph, he himself stated this.
2:00 Barely noticeable, but after Stephen Fry reveals FDR as the "snubber", Alan goes "ah, bastard" in such an understated and casual way. Absolutely hilarious.
That was Bill, no? Sounded like him.
@Darts Incidents and Moments If Alan said "bastard" and FDR was a bastard, then that's the opposite of irony.
Irony is saying one thing but implying the other
@Darts Incidents and Moments It's the opposite.
It's just a funny coincidence, but people often mistake that for irony
@Darts Incidents and Moments Harding? What drugs are you on?
David's one liner is still one of the best there's ever been on the show
I come back to this clip from time to time to re-enjoy it. :)
Except they weren't called National SOCIALISTS for nothing. (Don't bother trying to counter this with "it's just a nAmE" because, as implied by "not for nothing," the DETAILS go beyond the game. Do research. They were socialists in policy.)
"That bloke on the far right"
Oh Alan, you innocent little man
"Surely they are all on the far right."
carl witt actually the only thing Nazi's had in common with the far right is their racism. Everything else was pretty much far left.
GT Crain maybe they meant the far reich
sgcocking87 that was a nice one. Hats off to you.
GT Crain cheers
One of the best questions ever on QI
All the good Jesse Owens did at Berlin only to be treated like crap by the president of his own country.
Well Jesse Owens was black... makes FDR a massive hypocrite in 1936, considering he wanted segregation outlawed later on.
Well, at least he wasnt re-allocated to Africa on arrival back home, that was the nazi plan to deal with black people. If you have to choose between evil in the 30s you would probably do best with an allied country.
@@GnosticAtheist Nazi Germany was a western country.
@@GnosticAtheist America is a country colonised by a multi ethnic group, Germany is not. There is nothing wrong with deporting back to where they came from.
@@lhl2500 Indeed it was. I meant to say allied and for some reason I wrote western. My bad. Corrected.
Fun Fact: one of the people Owen's respected most from the Olympics was the German he was up against in the long jump. He even claimed that he helped him regain his composure which led to him beating the nazi who helped him.
Luz long
@Főfasírozó he was literally a member of the Nazi party.
@@alexandercanella4479 Can you figuratively be a member of the Nazi party?
@@stejer211 Only if you count modern day Nazi's that still wear the uniforms, want their politics, etc. But I dont even see the comment that was posted but I'm sure my use of the word, literal, was justified.
@@alexandercanella4479 Lol, good answer.
He was just jealous that the man could run...
Oof
Aww man
So we back in the track got shoes fast fast fast fast fast fast
This task a grueling one hope to find medals today
(continue)
Alan's right about Sammy Davis Jr., but one good/interesting that happened was that Frank Sinatra was largely responsible for the desegregation of Las Vegas venues. He would blackball and boycott any place that didn't treat their black performers the same as their white performers.
Another interesting fact: Jackie Robinson's older brother, Mack, was at the 1936 Olympics and won silver behind Jesse Owens, with both breaking the 200 meter record.
Coming in second to Owens by 0.4 seconds!
I thought this was common knowledge. Owens' statement that it was the USA that most significantly snubbed him is not new and is fairly well known
Thanks to Qi its now very common knowledge
Yup Germany loved Owens and there was no segregation
FDR and all his Democrat buddies were racist AF. He's the great humanitarian that rounded up the Japanese Americans and put them in camps.
Hitler getting up and leaving in disgust because Jesse Owens won (because of the belief that somebody black was more primitive - closer to a wild animal - and therefore hardly playing fair in competition with civilised humans) is an oft-told story though, lack of veracity notwithstanding. That was an - if not the - accepted version of events for decades.
The look of sheer joy on David Mitchell's face at that far-right joke
My Grandmother, Martha Murdoch, who was Scottish, sat next to Jesse in class and used to help him with his school work. She said he was really nice. Jesse claims that he did shake Hitler's hand and had a photo. No one was interested in the truth. Jesse said he was treated more humanely in Berlin than in the USA. He made friends with a fellow German athlete and even made him his child's godfather.
You forgot the part where they were abducted by aliens on their way to uncover the Holy Grail and were rescued by Wakanda's people in Vibranium panther suits. :D
@Martin England Nonsensical. Jesse suffered from some Jim Crow laws. However, it's utter nonsense to compare that with Nazi Germany. As a foreigner competing in the Olympics. He couldn't be harmed by the Nazi host nation. But had he lived in Germany during Nazi rule. He would have been killed just like Jews, Slave people, gypsies and others. Just check at the commentary in the Nazi films of captured French soldiers who were brought from African colonies. Disgusting to say the least.
FDR snubbing of Jesse Owens was a mistake. Some Democrats asked for his endorsement, but he declined.
@@HusseinDoha No, no he wouldnt. Black people werent rounded up or sent to camps by the nazis. In fact, the Wehrmacht contained several black and Muslim units. Unlike the USA at the time, interracial marriage between blacks and whites was completely legal in Nazi Germany, although it was looked down upon. There is more than enough shit to hate the Nazis over without you having to resort to barefaced lies in a moronic attempt to make them look even worse than they already are. Grow up you fucking imbecile.
@wowalinbie those 11 million have nothing to do with Racism, or since when does white people killing other white people count as racism?
I heard pretty much the exact same account Matt Hooper. Jesse said something to the effect of Germany making him feel more welcome than his own country did. Comments like that paint an entirely different picture than what we were "taught" in our history books.
These little interesting stories about the WWII Nazi's are really important historical facts (like the Black soldiers who served in the German military) that ziunist owned youtube has pretty much decided to bury. TH-cam use to have hundreds of well researched historical videos exposing the truth about WWII topics, such as the Nazi treaty with ziunist leaders that conspired to have Ashkenaz relocated to Palestine.
Same thing happened with Muhammad Ali. He wasn't allowed to be served in cafes.
@EveryDay Because he had to deal with racist everywhere he went
@EveryDay how did what I said make you think you should shoot up a school?
Who in their right mind would go to a cafe and order Muhammad Ali anyway?
@EveryDay send link or give his quotes
@EveryDay explain how he was racist
"Still happens to me though, sometimes..." what a brilliant ending!
I like how david obviously knew the answer at the start but didn't say anything so the show would be more interesting
It's boring when people just say the right answer right away, Rory McGrath was the worst for that in the early seasons
I know they don't really play for points but hypothetically if they did, not answering despite knowing would still be a decent strategy because someone else getting a klaxon is worth more points than you getting a point
I reckon Jack knew it too but said Hitler to keep it interesting. It's quite a well known story in Sports
Just another thing the US likes to gloss over...
Or rather, a fact from long enough ago that the people involved are dead, and the people now living all agree was awful.
Don't worry, your allies in Britain are fully aware how awful you really are.
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Brexit didn't happen because of race or xenophobia, but because low-paying jobs were "taken" away from the brits and "given" to eastern Europeans. Mainly in the sector of transport and contractors (which is a large problem with the E.U.).
Your avarage brit in the countryside felt left out, and Britain/England has always had a problem with the continent. Even my politics books back in elementary school (10+ yrs) talked about British resentments to the E.U. and most of the mainland, and even predicted a leave. I only remember it because of the caricature of the lonely brit on the isle.
Yeah because all the over 300 million people in the US do and think the same thing...
With their usual dumb pride.
The US is the world's cancer.
I believe it was "Radioactive Man" when he traveled back in time to beat his times at the Nazi Olympics (an impressive feat for sure).
*German Olympics
This is really true. Hitler didn't snub Jesse Owens though he really wanted that Germans would be successful. And what's 100% true also: Jesse Owens was most popular sportsman among German public. They really liked him and got wild when Jesse Owens run and jumped in those Olympics.
And why shouldn't he want the best for his country at the Olympics?? You gotta remember that national pride and integrity is now being treated as evil since the war.
And Hitler got his wish. Germany won 101 medals, with 38 gold, while the US was second with 57 medals total and 24 gold
In the film 'Race', they made sure not to show that Hitler actually acknowledge Jesse Owens by waving and Jesse Owens waving back. They also only said that 'the White House' didn't acknowledge his wins rather than say FDR.
hilarious exchange half way through
these guys are having wayyyy too much fun at this
"Surely they're all on the far-right."
That may be the greatest joke of all time.
Samantha Bayley Lots of socialists on the right?
Bernie Sanders far right confirmed?
Samantha Bayley learn history
James Richard Jeremy Clarkson-Hammond-May indeed he was, he didn't even order mass genocide.
In regards to the responses to this post, it is actually terrifying how easy it is to stumble onto neo-nazis and holocaust denial in youtube comments
1:10 That's GREAT banter, it really is
Way to go America,
wowalinbie America is racists.
@@soliquidsnake3990 Every single person in America is racist.
Down to the last dog.
@wowalinbie Republicans have taken over.
@@possummagic3571 my dog has enough intelligence to realize that 300 million people will not share the same ideals. You're an idiot.
Edit: as are all the others that are here stroking their hate boners.
You know you done effed up right proper when you get kudos from one of the most hated villains in human history, and your own country's president snubs you.
Bravo
There is also a story that Hitler invited Indian hockey star Dhyan chand to Germany and he was awarded high post in military. But he refused and he also beat Germans in the final.
Imagine if a picture of Hitler and Jesse owens came out now
It wasn't someone who said, it was a demand by the IOC.
The thumbnail pic for this video looks like Jesse Owens is reaching for a tennis racket, the QI 🔍 logo in the top left corner!🥇🤔🏸🎾 Or maybe the QI racket has been substituted for the baton handover in a relay race?🔍🤣😉
OOOH I knew that. I thought Hitler wrote Owens a congratulatory not.
His COUNTRY. Thats who snubbed him.
oh Bill, everything is about you
Only in America!
"Can a Brutha get a Zieg Heil?"
-Jesse Owens, Berlin Olympics 1936
Ja
Incorrect, Stephen.
He also shook hands with three Finnish gold medal winners on the first day.
I thought FDR was furious that the pentagon had segregated bathrooms? Seems a little inconsistent
He was actually pretty progressive, he was the first president to endorse the end of Jim Crowe law and segregation if I remember correctly
@Andrew its true though, he was an early advocate for the end of segregation
He was a very mixed bag, sometimes his policies were aimed at helping out minorities, but sometimes they did very little.
@@jamiegray6931 We certainly know what he thought of Asian-Americans.
@@Statalyzer Undeniably so, deapite the fact that the US was allied with China, there was still a lot of racism towards the Asiatic peoples.
How about that
This is a microcosm of QI.
It wasn’t Hitler that snubbed Owens it was FDR. Hitler congratulated Owens, and FDR couldn’t even invite Owens to the White House. Hitler said this himself.
Owens said it not Hitler
Actually,Goering was picking his nose!!
We're going on a slippery slope backwards. I went to sleep in 2022, and woke up this morning in 1972. This country is going backwards. Be glad you live in a good country.
Is the Sammy Davis Jr story true?😧
David Mitchell and I were thinking the exact same thing.
FDR treated him awful when he went home
It's like this clip was put up perfectly for me to see during global race riots
Unfortunately the situation never seems to improve
I'm surprised that trump isn't in the picture
Rent free
For life
Damn shame
I love this fact as it is just a perfect example of historical revisionism plus historical simplification. Moustache man bad so therefore he was the ONLY leader during this era doing bad things, when in reality things are always far more complex than it seems.
Pretty much. The Allies were still imperialist countries, and had terrible things going on.
0:55 nah nah nah nah
What, exactly, is an "international head of state?"
killermonjero I was just thinking that haha
A head of state recognised internationally?
International means of all nations. A Head of State means....the leader of a nation....you really don't know where this is going?
A nations head of state involved in international politics, which FDR certainly was along with Churchill and Stalin.
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Murica!
Racism! Fuck yeah!
@@kisbie lol your a lunatic
Jesse had a Great time dancing and drinking with the German sqaud in 1936.
This will all come out eventually .
65000 childen born in India daily thats news
And the US has come full circle.
I miss Stephen Fry helmed QI
@ben nichols Sandi is very knowledgeable but she's not a good host at all
Sandi is different of course but equally as good
The funny thing about Stephen, he was so into the history and revealed in it. And the panelist are there to have a silly laugh. That juxtaposition is quite funny.
That's the great Murica for you ! They like em for entertainment and Dancing!
As American as Apple Pie!!
Jesse ‘s own president snubbed him
I hope this Comment doesn't come across as too creepy or weird, but I think that photo of Owens is genuinely beautiful. It's a perfect image. Poetry in motion? That's poetry.
Yes, I know it's just some sweaty guy running up and down a bit. But this is QI, so you've got to make a bit of an effort, what? ;-)
Did FDR congratulate any of the other US Olympic champions?
the white ones
WhiteCamry no not even Jessie Owens.
@igor caique That was Hitler. Rewatch the video.
All white athletes were invited to the White House, but no black athletes (including Jesse Owens).
Totoro - Do you have a link for that? I can’t find evidence that FDR met with any Olympic champions. I bet he did, but it would be nice to know for sure.
I tried to find a photo of FDR meeting with 1936 Olympic champions, so that’s what I’m most interested in. You would think it would be easy to find, and it’s hard to believe that FDR would meet the returning Olympic champions without a photo, but who knows?
FDR did it
Oh yeah I got it right
Jesse said hitler didn't snub him. the USA pres did . he didn't even call me. and the german people hugged and kissed me in the streets. hitler was always leaving at dusk for security .
Sad just sad
Was FDR at the Olympics? If he wasn't then the title if the video is wrong.
He didn't send him a telegram or invite to whitehouse. Therefore he snubbed him.
The title of the video is "Who snubbed Jesse Owens AT the 1936 Olympics". So if FDR was not at the Berlin Olympics, he couldn't have snubbed him at the Olympics. He got snubbed when he came back.
Hence my original question, was FDR at the Olympics? If he wasn't then the TITLE OF THE VIDEO is wrong as he couldn't have snubbed him if he wasn't there.
Doesn't mean he wasn't snubbed. Just not at the Olympics. And yes it was wrong, that goes without saying.
@@devilrv89 nobody likes a pedant.
@@seanmacuaiteir437 have you seen qi?? The entire show is pedantic!
You are right of course but the question in the show was correct.
FDR was just pissy Jesse Owens could run and he could barely walk
Surely all of them are on the far right. 😂
Socialism is not far right
Nazi means National socialism
Hitler was a self-declared Socialist, with an economic policy somewhere between Socialist and Communist. The Nazis nationalised much of German industry and had tight reign over private enterprises - in fact, much like the current Chinese experiment, where a totalitarian government has final control over the economy but where private businesses are allowed to also flourish to generate much greater wealth than a purely communist system can. The difference is as a Workers' Socialist Party, in Nazi Germany the workers had much improved rights (and free medical care). Hope the Chinese improve the rights of their workers! In fact I wonder if the current Chinese government should be considered fascist/national socialist given it's state/private mix - there are also echoes of Hitler's disgusting anti-Semitic policies in the treatment of Uighurs/muslims in eastern China, including concentration camps for a million people - thankfully no death camps though, although even that mirrors the Nazis pre-wartime policies!
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Jesse Owens endorsed a conservative over fdr. Fdr won obviously
Never mind Hitler at least his response was well anticipated. But what most people don,t know is that Jessie Owens was shunned by Americans because he was black!
The madness of the matter is that the German army flyer-bombed American-occupied areas with propaganda that brought Civil Rights to the minds of a lot of enlisted Black Men.
Flyers aimed toward them stated how unfairly they would be treated back home, and that Black Veterans would only be given a soldier's welcome by their own kind, and wouldn't be appreciated for their sacrifices, which was true.
It's sad to say that the Germans' own nonwhite regiments were treated objectively better by command than the US's top brass did with African Americans.
It feels wrong saying that, especially with the propaganda against Jazz music, but the accounts of the Afro-Germans and Free Arabian Legions shouldn't be ignored.
Surely, don't assume civil rights weren't already on their minds.
@@jessicalee333 Thanks to German-Americans in many regards. German-Americans even were the ones who started the anti-slavery movement in the 17th century( in Germantown, Pennsylvania).
@@whynotstayhonest4706 they weren't first but yes kinda true .
Shameful
That's a dislike for the way we whites treated colored folks.
1:26 wouldn't be Hitlers right m
Funny how Jesse was treated better in Nazi Germany than his home country.
During the war, captured German officers transferred to the USA were taken out to eat in local restaurants as guests of the US military. Serving black soldiers meanwhile weren't allowed in.
The US also tried to get the UK to introduce segregation because American white troops didn't want to eat or drink with blacks; fellow American soldiers or Black British civilians. The response was very polite, but if you understand British mannerisms, was essentially a curt 'fuck off'.
In Hitler’s weird mind, he actually kind of admired black people as examples of brute strength as he saw it
Hitler arose from his seat to congratulate a black American athlete. Whilst the U.S President didn't even send his own gold medallist a telegram. Unbelievable.
fdr
FDR
Nothing surprises me about the USA
It is the land of Satan
The USA is far from this nowadays.
@@therealpapsy Lol. K.
@@crossroads670 if you think about it Nazi Germany and The USA aren't very different both hate a particular group of people which is blacks and Jew's both murdered them for quite some time Forced labor torture. and get this the USA did it for centuries long.
Thankfully in the 60's and 70's we AS KIDS were globbed together like melted gummy bears into busses and schools and summer camps. The best friends I've had over a lifetime have been of every background, not just one race.
We're seeing a terrible reversal of that now, or it seems so to me. But I don't see the far right taking over any time soon. We're all just too interconnected now. I've got trans, gay, brown, asian, and native american relatives and friends, good heavens I even consider some of the women I know to be equal in every way!!
Then of course there's been marriages and sex and babies of every imaginable racial strain and social caste!
Do see the humor in what I've written and don't be too angry if I sound like an antique. We are all just walking each other home in the end.
No proof of hand shake
0:52
Nah nah nah nah
In this comment section: Nazis here to celebrate one of their greatest moral victories, an apparent 'wave'.
Lol
Bloke on the far right
Nah nah nah naaah naaaaah
i always thought Owens snubbed Hitler. i have a bit of a dilemma over Hitler, if he didnt do what he did i wouldnt be sat here typing this now, My Grandmother was Polish, he's the reason she ended up in England after a little trip to Germany and met my Grandad , knowing what happened i would be more than willing to jump in The Doctors Tardis to stop him though
Hell, if it wasn't for Hitler and WWII, I wouldn't be here.
My father's parents left Germany in the early 1930s because of Hitler's rise to power. ( One world war and having their home town bombed into a crater was enough for 'em. )
They saw what was coming ( again ) and got the hell out before it started.
And I can assure you, my mother would NOT have gone to Germany and met my father. No how, no way.
Laughing at Nazis, love this clip.
And that tells you all you need to know about the American Government.
This was 82 years ago, they're all dead.
0:44 How convenient. Just when he had to congratulate the black guy someone said something that made him decide not to congratulate anyone 🤔
@TheMoreSubsYouHaveTheGayerYouAre ....You're seriously giving someone shit for expecting racism from Hitler?
if you think about it Nazi Germany and The USA aren't very different both hate a particular group of people which is blacks and Jew's both murdered them for quite some time Forced labor torture. and get this the USA did it for centuries long.
So Trump now has an answer to his question about who in America was treated worse than him.
Britain has its own history of toxic racism. Why do Brits only talk about America's race issues. The British Empire's economic policies led to more deaths than the Third Reich and the USSR combined. Why not discuss that.
@@Kaiserbill99 Yes. I agree that there is a profound difference between deliberate murder and sloppiness and cultural indifference leading to murder. Britain, even in Ireland, was far more likely to be guilty of the latter. But there are plenty of cases that go the other way. I mainly rely on British historians for my British history. You might read "The Late Victorian Holocausts." Which deals with how British economic policies forced Indian farming away from practical anti-famine measures and toward disaster. I regret to say that most of my personal library is in storage because of bedbugs. So I cant get other texts right now.
I don't get Bill's joke at the very end. Is it that he's too fat to fit through the door?
He's too much of a mostrosity to use proper persons door.
@@taetae-ed9vo I see, thanks
Japan does the same thing today with non Japanese people, even signs outside shops and restaurants, never gets any coverage in the news.
The more i hear about hitler the more i dont care for him
Funny they mentions this. Watch The Greatest Story Never Told for a different perspective of the world.
I actually found out about this through that wonderful documentary. It's honestly shocking how most of the claims made in that documentary are 100% verifiable.
That guy goes from a man winning 4 gold metals to Sammy Davis jr? Wow
Justify This Both men of colour not allowed to enter the front door of establishments where they were the main attraction. Seems a reasonable connection to make.
Over the last few years since I have watched You Tube I have begun to really detest America which is sad because I should imagine that there might be a nice American somewhere. They cannot even use knifes and forks for goodness sake.
Huh?
Before you start bashing Americans, have a quick peek in your own country's cupboard. We've all been masters off and mastered by at some point.
I must admit, it sort of hurts to think on this matter. In America, many of us idolize FDR as perhaps having been the most progressive president in the history of our country. Republicans have spent every moment since FDR died trying to get rid of every reform he instituted (which Trump might just make happen if he's not stopped soon), and unsurprisingly, the country has suffered for it. I suppose it is possible that he reasoned that he would lose the support of key southern Democrats if he did so - ironic, considering that about two decades later, many of those Democratic Senators and Congressmen left anyway because of the Democratic Party's support of civil rights legislation. It was a remarkable mistake by a President who should have seen the potential chance at changing the racial divide in his country by embracing the one person who had best represented his nation. Jesse Owens deserved better. As much as America has shit on the Native American population, Jim Thorpe at least had a little better treatment socially. Granted, they (IOC) took his Olympic medals when they discovered he'd played some semi-pro sports for money, but Jim probably wasn't forced to sit in the back of a bus. Oh, and Jim could lay claim to something not all people could - he broke a President's leg. Dwight Eisenhower's, to be more precise. In a game played 22 years after the defeat of the Lakota and Sioux at the Battle of Wounded Knee, coach Pop Warner made a pregame speech that reminded his team that some of the fathers of the West Point cadets they were about to play had fought their fathers and grandfathers in the many conflicts between the NA nations and the US government. The result? Carlisle Indian School 27, Army 6. Considering that the service academies (Army & Navy, the AFA didn't have a football program until 1955) were among the toughest schools to play in collegiate football until the late 1970's, this score may still be considered one of the greater upsets in collegiate football history.
stone1andonly
I mean the man was a virulent racist who’s policies prolonged the depression and interned his own citizens based on ethnicity... So yeah, let’s scrub the world of his antiquated ideas and horrible economic policies
His policies saved America from the depression...
The most racist vile disgusting people i have known call themselves "progressive" liberals show their true colors every day. Gotta keep the black man down for the democrat party to survive. God forbid the dnc let man and woman think for themselves.
Queen jneeuQ His policies most definitely didn’t save us from the depression that’s why it was called the Great Depression. Unemployment was still double digits in 1940. He and Hoover made the Great Depression
So technically Hitler did snub Jesse Owens.
Technically he snubbed everyone so he didn't specifically snub Jesse Owens, although there's a couple of eyewitnesses who said they saw Hitler shake Jesse Owens' hand and congratulate him on his accomplishments
FDR was a horrible person and not just because he had the views alluded to here which shaped and in other ways still shape his awful party.
I bet Jesse Owens would vote for FDR over Trump...
Ben G - Trump was voted into office by democratic process. Wtf is wrong with idiots like you? If you voted but your candidate didn't win just GROW UP!!!
@@hxrx9670 Are you suggesting Jesse Owens was a moron? That's a bit harsh, the man has a great legacy.