Someone asked me, Why Did GOD let this happen? I told them, I don’t know, I’m not GOD! When most people ask this Question, they Usually hear someone say, GOD had HIS reason? I have told people, I have no idea, ASK GOD! I’m not GOD, Only HE has the answer to that question.
Wow! 😮 Horrible incident. RIP for all the people who perished. The driver of the car... my gosh, wrong place at the wrong time. Compassion and Condolences to all families 🌹🕊
Some of the first reports indicated that all 5 deaths were on the plane. We now know that the Pillot lived and the driver of the car was one of the five.
I suppose three days ago, when the crash was only two days old, things like the names of some of the victims would be considered "new details". The video gets posted to TH-cam and a day later people start complaining about the staleness of the "new" details they had already heard from somewhere else. TH-cam is not the place to be getting "breaking news" from, people. You have to allow that anything that is not a livestream in-progress on TH-cam is going to be an historical video on TH-cam.
The pilot decided to stop after v1, (decision speed) already going too fast and not enough runway left, even if there is an engine failure, you are supposed to keep going, rip to those families
@@krazyzito6274 The problem is that all too often Vr (rotate speed) happens after V1 (fastest speed that you can safely abort the takeoff). If you get to Vr and discover something important like a flap setting was not made, the plane is NOT going to lift off the runway and there's not enough runway left to correct the deficiency or stop in time. Let me be clear that I have no inside information on this flight and an incorrect flap setting is only one of many possible causes for a plane not taking off. I'll leave that sort of guesswork to the people who have the proper equipment and expertise to make a judgement on this tragedy: the NTSB.
That crash was pilot error, he decided to stop after v1 (decision speed) you need to keep going and takeoff even if you have 1 engine, a fire on board or a tire blowout
of the over 250 Honda planes that have been sold since their introduction 10 years ago, this is the first one to have a fatality crash. It's gonna be interesting to find out what happened here. The reliability of the Honda product is never doubted.
Most take-off crashes stem from bad configuration (no flaps, etc), or a bad engine, and become fatal after not aborting in time. Every now and then, you have an overloaded plane [a possibility here], an improperly loaded plane (center-of-gravity issues) or pilot errors, such as taking off on the wrong runway, or taking off on the *correct* runway, but forgetting to re-run take-off calculations after having received instructions to switch runways. Other posts here state that the plane got to 30 knots *beyond* V1 (point of no return). That's usually fast enough to make it difficult to prevent it from flying. Most Vr's (rotate speed) are just a few knots beyond V1.
@@jimwinchester339The ATC was recorded…the ATC officer gave him permission to take off but canceled it 3/4 of the way through his roll because he lined another aircraft up to land on the same runway…he asked the Honda jet to contact the tower on 117.9 to explain the situation but you never hear the Honda jet respond., obviously because he’s fighting the plane after the abort.
@@jimwinchester339 The most notable one for taking off on the wrong runway was comair 5191 I think. Which looks like a pilot error. The runway was too short. Forgot to put flaps down northwest 255 spanair 5022 and Delta 1141 are most notable. But ya those are the most probable reasons. Improper/overload probably tons of those. Also ya failure to abort takeoff in time if theres problem. Also tire blowouts on takeoff. Pilot inadvertently applying brakes. Engine failure on takeoff etc etc. But ya the reasons mentioned are most likely. Well, it will be interesting to see what findings they come up with.
I've offered only the shallowest of condolences because I don't care even a little bit about any of these people. Or you. Or your children. Or anybody other than myself.
They kept mentioning that the plane went through "multiple layers of fencing" as if the fences were supposed to be some kind of arresting device specifically designed to catch planes, I guess. 🙄
Ive wondered at all ground crashes on uou tube why there isnt some kind of buffeting at fence you know the rubber sides they have on hospital bedsides sojething bigger and stronger like them@Gadzonka-s9t I realise airbags on runway end fe ces wouldn't work but soft rubber might or some sort of waterproof reinforced forced polystyrene or even trampoline meshing. Or even 5 foot high sand bag structure there must be something Make all road vehicles jerp well away ftom end of runway area like they have at railway crossing have a barrier alarmed that comes over road ehen a plane lands or takes off
Today I learned my best friend from college's dad was sadly part of the crash and passed. He wasn't listed in the video. I'm devastated for his daughter, son, and wife.
Ok, first of all there are no 'new details' here, just back story and insight on the families of those affected by this crash. Witch is amazing, but to label the video 'new details behind devastating plane crash in Mesa', and then the piece is on the families.....I'm calling clickbait. The only defense I can see here is that 'devastating' referred to the impact on the families, and not the crash itself (it slid off the runway, onto a street, and hit and killed a passing motorist....pretty devastating if you ask me) Even if this is unintentional clickbait, given the subject matter of the piece, it is very insensitive. This is coming from an avgeek that keeps up with aviation news, and crash reports and is interested in the safety and mechanical side of things. Rest in Peace too those who passed, and peace be with the families.
A family losing multiple members isn't devasting? The "details" were about the family and their travel agendas. What exactly are you upset about? Btw, "witch" is a noun. I believe you were looking for the adverb, "which". Additionally, it should not begin a sentence.
Ehhh... I'm calling "trolling". The title says, "...new details behind the crash...", not, "...new details about the crash...". In my mind, something "behind" an event is - by definition - "backstory".
@@Fadamor Trolling? Not even close. lol, that's like calling blue, red. Just an aviation enthusiast that thinks that the local news can do better. End of story.
“So how did he die?” “He was driving on the highway and his car was hit by a plane.” Like what in the world?? Fiction can never compare to reality. Wild, and so so sad for his family.
Sadly, the driver was truly at the wrong place at the wrong time, through no fault of his own. When there's a one in a billion chance of being in a particularly unusual accident, somebody, somewhere, is that one person.
So far it appears the pilot tried to stop the takeoff AFTER surpassing V1.... the speed at which a pilot should take off because there will not be enough room to stop. Will take a long time before we find out why they pilot still tried to stop.
@@dimitri1515 so, the a/c never even became airborne, eh? That would go a ways in explaining how unnamed a/c passenger possibly survived, as well as how/why unnamed spouse/victim in the car did die upon impact of vehicles, at least.
@@lizmandelaine6863 5 souls on board. They’ve only released the names of the 4 confirmed deceased with the remaining unidentified pilot in the hospital with severe burn injuries. Depending on the extent of the burns, you are right it may be a while. But afaik he/she is still alive.
As an airline pilot I was told the other day that the typical V1 decision speed on the Honda type is about 100-110 knots. Regardless of the exact speed, whatever it is for that runway length, the weather conditions and weight of the aircraft during performance calculations it generates a V1 VR and V2 speed. These speeds must be respected. When reaching V1 and something malfunctions you GO regardless. All aircraft are designed to fly regardless of what failure you encounter at this stage unless you collide with something and receive obvious damage. In the airlines we are every 6 months constantly training to reject take off before V1 and continue reaching or passing V1. I also learned the other day that airline pilots who happen to also be instructors in business jets very often in the simulators see private/business jet pilots not respect the V1 speed and are rejecting the take off after passing the V1 speed. This is very disturbing to hear. It seems this pilot initiated a rejected takeoff way passed the V1 speed. We will have to see what the report comes out with. In the airlines we sometimes talk about low speed and high speed rejected take offs. Rejecting at low speed is usually a fairly easy task. Rejecting at high speed but below V1 is doable but again as an airline pilot we then only reject for critical or serious failures. It is far easier to take off and sort out the failure in the air and then return and have the whole runway usable for a emergency landing. There are official statistics out clearly saying that airline travel is 9 times safer then being a passenger on a business jet. So in most cases it clearly boils down to pilot training. And that is not the fault of the business jet pilot. It is usually the fault of the owner of the private business jet aircraft who fail to see that if you spend millions of dollars to purchase a high tech jet you should clearly also allocate the money needed for not just minimum but adequate training so that the pilots are generally confident and proficient on the aircraft type in question. Maybe it needs to be legislated to force the aircraft owners.
An excellent explanation. Blancolirio (Juan Browne)’s debrief noted that the Honda was at 130 knots-well past the V1 of 110-when the airport video showed the tires starting to smoke, with the plane not rotating. It should have been flying at that speed. This makes me hypothesize, based on earlier reports that “the pilot survived/his 18 year old son survived” that there was some medical emergency with the actual pilot and someone else, who did not know how to ‘aviate, navigate, or communicate’ with the tower was attempting to control the plane. Again, a hypothesis based on real data (Juan’s V1 speed of 130 and the blowout of the tires) with hearsay (18 year old son of pilot survived /pilot initially survived. ) Only time and the NTSB report will tell.
A very late RTO - the aircraft had reached V1 a good 7 to 8 seconds before it began to decelerate according to ADSB data. I could understand a single engine aircraft attempting a late RTO, e.g. partial/full engine failure, but why when well past V1 the pilot rejected in a twin is beyond me - as a PPL. Condolences to all involved.
@@igclappI have a hypothesis that the pilot had a medical emergency and someone else took over and attempted to abort the takeoff. The NTSB will issue a report, which will determine if I’m right in my gut instinct. If it was the pilot’s 18 year old son trying to help his dad, then that puzzle piece would fit. Have there been any further reports on the 18 year old boy’s condition ?
@afriendlyfaceinthecrowd The son was released from hospital. I think medical incapacitation of the pilot is unlikely as the plane tracked straight all the way to the crash.
He was obviously confusing it with NHTSA - the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Too many common letters in the initials, but completely different job descriptions.
Shrade62 I am thinking the same but youngtimer does have a good point, lots of new accounts do involve flaps and/or trim. This all just guessing at this point,
From What I read on other posts The plane reached 130. V1 was 100. Depending on weight of the plane and weather V1 can be more. V1 is the speed you don’t reject a take off. At 130 that plane should have lifted off the runway. There was one comment on a you tube channel where someone on the tarmac heard an explosion from the aircraft about the middle of the runway. However that could have been from the tires exploding at high speed or 130. I’m sure both the NTSB and Honda jet are all over this. Just so sad.
My heart aches for all of the families of the victims, and I pray for strength, healing, and peace for all of you dealing with this tragedy. May The Good Lord Be With You All. 🙏
The pilot tried to abort the takeoff at V1 stage and the plane’s speed was going too fast for the amount of runway he had. There’s a video that shows the smoke coming off the tires/brakes just before it crashed.
It's called a Freudian slip. You know what they meant. They're an underpaid intern reporting facts on a deeply emotional story, not the president spouting some bs.
No, the pilot didn’t rotate even though the plane was traveling at 130 knots-above V1, 110 knots. In other words, the plane had to be flying at that speed, an aborted takeoff would have been impossible. A pilot would have initiated an emergency go around.
The control lock on this Honda jet is a big red strap wrapped around the yolk. The pilot couldn’t have missed that. My hypothesis is that the pilot had a medical emergency and the only survivor, his 18 year old son, attempted to stop the plane. Only time and the NTSB report will tell.
"National TRAFFIC Safety Board is the lead agency investigating how this crash came to be..." stated at 2:36 in the video contains an error. The correct name of the agency tasked with investigating civil transportation accidents is the NTSB; National Transportation Safety Board, transportation not traffic. In addition to civil aviation the NTSB also investigates and reports on ship/marine, pipeline, bridge failures, railroad accidents and other incidents/accidents and failures. Such an obvious error is shocking.
Let's see what the NTSB finds. This reminds me of a crash of a small jet from Hanscom field near Boston some years back when the pilots forgot to remove the control column gust lock.
2:15: "The most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to the airport." A good case can be made for the truth of this when applied to scheduled airline flights - but not beyond that.
there is a partial video of the crash. The plane wouldn't lift off. Then the brakes locked up, and the aircraft skidded off the runway. Not the first runway mishap for these jets, but it is the first fatal crash. Condolences to the victims of this tragedy.
@@tikonrI am no pilot, but I would have thought this plane would have lifted off at 30kts above V1. Methinks the flaps were not set for takeoff. No engine issues as it accelerated another 30kts in a few seconds after V1.
in alot of ways i hate it when people say"wrong place at the wrong time"its made out to be there fault an there doing when they had no choice or say in the matter..............
First, my heart breaks for all involved, including the witnesses. The images from this are horrific. That said, you'd think the journalist could pronounce Kimball correctly. It's not an unusual last name... kim-bull.
❤ I'm deeply saddened what I've heard about here today on TH-cam God bless you all and may the Lord be with you and I'm deeply saddened for lots of love of your loved ones as well I saw him in 2022 they were laughing and enjoying the end of the responsibilities of their own joy and the best public I've ever met in my entire life I'm in tears for the loss of your family as well God bless you all
Honda Jet is one of the finest business jets ever built. Probably overloaded and weight and balance out of POH specifications. It does not take much to overload any aircraft , density altitude , amount and weight of fuel onboard, baggage , weight of the 5 passengers and the pre flight decision making loading such things. Poor areonautical decision making is 95 to 97% of the root cause of most fatal aircraft wrecks/crashes. It will be interesting to find out what happened here so...others don't meet such an untimely fate.
The plane was past the speed limit of being able to stop in time…like 110 knots….i don’t know the correct terminology….rotation at 115 something…blah blah…obviously you make a nanosecond choice…do I go up with no power or do I slam on the brakes…has two engines…caught in the middle…and full fuel….you’re either a commercial pilot or an amateur pilot…Ive been in accidents…you don’t have time to react….all of a sudden you’re spinning circles….no chance to react…rip…also weight on the tires may have been an issue on attempted stop…
Pilot error is definitely going to be one factor, as this obviously should have been an aborted takeoff (for other, unknown reasons). They did try to abort but way too late (according to transponder data). I first learned about this listening to the ATC audio. The tower controller was completely oblivious that the plane had overshot and crashed until it was reported 4 times by other aircraft. 3 reports of a fire/smoke just off the end of the runway, then someone told the tower the fire was a plane crash. Probably not much the controller could have done but the lack of situational awareness was alarming. The plane was traveling about 80mph when it crossed the road. It was on fire before it even came to a stop (presumably when it hit the car).
@@OregonCrow it is literally a study? You seem like the type of person to say people who credit Wikipedia are wrong because “you can’t trust everything you see on the internet”
@@lizmandelaine6863 : Source? Common sense. You do not accelerate above V1 and attempt to stop. You take off and fly. The crash demonstrates why that is taught as a basic skill. 133kts is 30kts above v1. That is basic airmanship. Pilot error. Sorry to say.
@ have learned and know more re; aeronautics than ever wanted or intended to, and this “knowledge” - as somehow quantifying the direct of certain fault/blame, in lieu of an open and shut investigation - is not “common” to me, however still learning. Thx for sharing.
@@lizmandelaine6863 These discussions are how we learn. The most experienced pilots on here pick up new things. I am not a high-time pilot, but my training was very intense and rewarding. I love reading people's thoughts when they share good information and I try to share the best I can offer. I feel bad for the pilot who will have to explain what happened in this crash. I'm very curious what thought processes were going on.
Looks like a failed aborted takeoff, pilot waited too long to abort and couldn't stop in time, so ran out of runway will be pilot error primary failure he was past v1 and vr before the abort attempt
I’ve listened to the ATC recording…a dozen times., it sounds like the controller lined the aircraft up and gave him permission to take off and prior to him hitting V2 they cancels the take off because the controller lined up a airplane to land on that runway….it sounds like human error but not on the side of the pilot
No. Those were other planes they were talking to, and they can have a couple cleared to land. But the tower wasn’t looking, because they had to be told of the incident…
@@troyjollimore4100exactly. A plane cleared to land would still be well out from the runway and the plane taking off would ( normally) be airborne in plenty of time. Over V1 he would tell the controller “unable” if they tried to pull a stunt like that.
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Way too much pain and grief for one family. My condolences.
Maybe big insurance payout. Wifey gonna need it.
@@notozknows
Be better.
Someone asked me,
Why Did GOD let this happen? I told them, I don’t know, I’m not GOD!
When most people ask this Question, they Usually hear someone say, GOD had HIS reason? I have told people, I have no idea, ASK GOD! I’m not GOD, Only HE has the answer to that question.
The guy in the car was a gate agent at phoenix airport, how sad
Wow! 😮 Horrible incident. RIP for all the people who perished. The driver of the car... my gosh, wrong place at the wrong time. Compassion and Condolences to all families 🌹🕊
The driver was a husband of a lady, he was a gate agent at phoenix airport
Pilots like car / truck drivers these days seemingly lacking ability that they had in spades 20+ years ago .
The title of this video is "New Details behind...plane crash". This report gave zero new details about the crash.
Some of the first reports indicated that all 5 deaths were on the plane. We now know that the Pillot lived and the driver of the car was one of the five.
I suppose three days ago, when the crash was only two days old, things like the names of some of the victims would be considered "new details". The video gets posted to TH-cam and a day later people start complaining about the staleness of the "new" details they had already heard from somewhere else. TH-cam is not the place to be getting "breaking news" from, people. You have to allow that anything that is not a livestream in-progress on TH-cam is going to be an historical video on TH-cam.
The pilot decided to stop after v1, (decision speed) already going too fast and not enough runway left, even if there is an engine failure, you are supposed to keep going, rip to those families
What counts is it got you to click and comment.
@@krazyzito6274 The problem is that all too often Vr (rotate speed) happens after V1 (fastest speed that you can safely abort the takeoff). If you get to Vr and discover something important like a flap setting was not made, the plane is NOT going to lift off the runway and there's not enough runway left to correct the deficiency or stop in time.
Let me be clear that I have no inside information on this flight and an incorrect flap setting is only one of many possible causes for a plane not taking off. I'll leave that sort of guesswork to the people who have the proper equipment and expertise to make a judgement on this tragedy: the NTSB.
Why did you bother to get that totally useless comment from that pilot?
I am a professional pilot of over 48 years, asinine comment for sure!
I know, I hate that when there is a story about someone killed and they go down the street and ask what they think. Why bother with these folks.
That crash was pilot error, he decided to stop after v1 (decision speed) you need to keep going and takeoff even if you have 1 engine, a fire on board or a tire blowout
@@notozknows the village idiots
@@krazyzito6274 he waited seven seconds, which is an eternity there.
of the over 250 Honda planes that have been sold since their introduction 10 years ago, this is the first one to have a fatality crash. It's gonna be interesting to find out what happened here. The reliability of the Honda product is never doubted.
Most take-off crashes stem from bad configuration (no flaps, etc), or a bad engine, and become fatal after not aborting in time.
Every now and then, you have an overloaded plane [a possibility here], an improperly loaded plane (center-of-gravity issues) or pilot errors, such as taking off on the wrong runway, or taking off on the *correct* runway, but forgetting to re-run take-off calculations after having received instructions to switch runways.
Other posts here state that the plane got to 30 knots *beyond* V1 (point of no return). That's usually fast enough to make it difficult to prevent it from flying. Most Vr's (rotate speed) are just a few knots beyond V1.
@@jimwinchester339 Let’s not forget a failed rejected takeoff AFTER V1🤦🙄
@@jimwinchester339The ATC was recorded…the ATC officer gave him permission to take off but canceled it 3/4 of the way through his roll because he lined another aircraft up to land on the same runway…he asked the Honda jet to contact the tower on 117.9 to explain the situation but you never hear the Honda jet respond., obviously because he’s fighting the plane after the abort.
@@jimwinchester339 The most notable one for taking off on the wrong runway was comair 5191 I think. Which looks like a pilot error. The runway was too short. Forgot to put flaps down northwest 255 spanair 5022 and Delta 1141 are most notable. But ya those are the most probable reasons. Improper/overload probably tons of those. Also ya failure to abort takeoff in time if theres problem. Also tire blowouts on takeoff. Pilot inadvertently applying brakes. Engine failure on takeoff etc etc. But ya the reasons mentioned are most likely. Well, it will be interesting to see what findings they come up with.
ATC TOLD the pilot to CHANGE RUNWAYS….AFTER they were HALF WAY down it.
My deepest condolences, our hearts are with you 💔
I've offered only the shallowest of condolences because I don't care even a little bit about any of these people. Or you. Or your children. Or anybody other than myself.
So tragic. And the driver of the car as well. Condolences to all!!!
They kept mentioning that the plane went through "multiple layers of fencing" as if the fences were supposed to be some kind of arresting device specifically designed to catch planes, I guess. 🙄
What I understand "multiple layers of fencing" to mean is how fast the Honda jet was travelling and how violent the crash was.
Ive wondered at all ground crashes on uou tube why there isnt some kind of buffeting at fence you know the rubber sides they have on hospital bedsides sojething bigger and stronger like them@Gadzonka-s9t I realise airbags on runway end fe ces wouldn't work but soft rubber might or some sort of waterproof reinforced forced polystyrene or even trampoline meshing. Or even 5 foot high sand bag structure there must be something
Make all road vehicles jerp well away ftom end of runway area like they have at railway crossing have a barrier alarmed that comes over road ehen a plane lands or takes off
@bunglejoy3645 Really? Did you ever have any sort of physics class?
Fencing just shredded the aircraft
@@bunglejoy3645 the problem is the amount of energy you are discussing which you know nothing about.
Today I learned my best friend from college's dad was sadly part of the crash and passed. He wasn't listed in the video. I'm devastated for his daughter, son, and wife.
Ok, first of all there are no 'new details' here, just back story and insight on the families of those affected by this crash. Witch is amazing, but to label the video 'new details behind devastating plane crash in Mesa', and then the piece is on the families.....I'm calling clickbait. The only defense I can see here is that 'devastating' referred to the impact on the families, and not the crash itself (it slid off the runway, onto a street, and hit and killed a passing motorist....pretty devastating if you ask me) Even if this is unintentional clickbait, given the subject matter of the piece, it is very insensitive. This is coming from an avgeek that keeps up with aviation news, and crash reports and is interested in the safety and mechanical side of things. Rest in Peace too those who passed, and peace be with the families.
What are you mad about exactly?
A family losing multiple members isn't devasting? The "details" were about the family and their travel agendas. What exactly are you upset about? Btw, "witch" is a noun. I believe you were looking for the adverb, "which". Additionally, it should not begin a sentence.
Ehhh... I'm calling "trolling". The title says, "...new details behind the crash...", not, "...new details about the crash...". In my mind, something "behind" an event is - by definition - "backstory".
@@Fadamor Trolling? Not even close. lol, that's like calling blue, red. Just an aviation enthusiast that thinks that the local news can do better. End of story.
@@Matt.Thompson.1976 Seems you got called out for a comment no one understood but you.
“So how did he die?”
“He was driving on the highway and his car was hit by a plane.” Like what in the world?? Fiction can never compare to reality. Wild, and so so sad for his family.
It was just a surface street, not even the freeway!
This has happened many times, sadly.
Sadly, the driver was truly at the wrong place at the wrong time, through no fault of his own. When there's a one in a billion chance of being in a particularly unusual accident, somebody, somewhere, is that one person.
@@hamsterama I know, it really hit home, we live nearby, and my husband drives that stretch of road all the time! I feel for both families.
Google The midway airport Southwest airlines incident
Probably the first Honda Jet crash ever. So sad
The first with fatalities….there has been a bunch of incidents…
@@jeffnelson1961 You watch Blanco don't you
It’s a remarkably safe plane. Incidents occur daily with all plane manufacturers.
@@jeffnelson1961 Juan?
@@HandyMan657 he has already covered this on his channel
My "Thoughts and Prayers" go out to those killed and their families and friends. Such a tragic thing to happen.
Why is thoughts and prayers in parentheses?
@@pogonomyrmexrugosus6240Those are quotations. 😂
@DixonCider247 they are aren't they... why the hell did I write that?? Lol
So far it appears the pilot tried to stop the takeoff AFTER surpassing V1.... the speed at which a pilot should take off because there will not be enough room to stop. Will take a long time before we find out why they pilot still tried to stop.
Not that long. The pilot survived.
@@azpcox negatory, unfortunately.
@@dimitri1515 so, the a/c never even became airborne, eh? That would go a ways in explaining how unnamed a/c passenger possibly survived, as well as how/why unnamed spouse/victim in the car did die upon impact of vehicles, at least.
@@lizmandelaine6863 5 souls on board. They’ve only released the names of the 4 confirmed deceased with the remaining unidentified pilot in the hospital with severe burn injuries. Depending on the extent of the burns, you are right it may be a while. But afaik he/she is still alive.
@@lizmandelaine6863 There is a video of the plane veering off the runway and crashing. It never appears to lift off.
Prayers to the families.
There was a survivor in the plane.
As an airline pilot I was told the other day that the typical V1 decision speed on the Honda type is about 100-110 knots. Regardless of the exact speed, whatever it is for that runway length, the weather conditions and weight of the aircraft during performance calculations it generates a V1 VR and V2 speed. These speeds must be respected. When reaching V1 and something malfunctions you GO regardless. All aircraft are designed to fly regardless of what failure you encounter at this stage unless you collide with something and receive obvious damage. In the airlines we are every 6 months constantly training to reject take off before V1 and continue reaching or passing V1. I also learned the other day that airline pilots who happen to also be instructors in business jets very often in the simulators see private/business jet pilots not respect the V1 speed and are rejecting the take off after passing the V1 speed. This is very disturbing to hear. It seems this pilot initiated a rejected takeoff way passed the V1 speed. We will have to see what the report comes out with. In the airlines we sometimes talk about low speed and high speed rejected take offs. Rejecting at low speed is usually a fairly easy task. Rejecting at high speed but below V1 is doable but again as an airline pilot we then only reject for critical or serious failures. It is far easier to take off and sort out the failure in the air and then return and have the whole runway usable for a emergency landing. There are official statistics out clearly saying that airline travel is 9 times safer then being a passenger on a business jet. So in most cases it clearly boils down to pilot training. And that is not the fault of the business jet pilot. It is usually the fault of the owner of the private business jet aircraft who fail to see that if you spend millions of dollars to purchase a high tech jet you should clearly also allocate the money needed for not just minimum but adequate training so that the pilots are generally confident and proficient on the aircraft type in question. Maybe it needs to be legislated to force the aircraft owners.
Brilliant assessment. Many thanks !
An excellent explanation.
Blancolirio (Juan Browne)’s debrief noted that the Honda was at 130 knots-well past the V1 of 110-when the airport video showed the tires starting to smoke, with the plane not rotating.
It should have been flying at that speed.
This makes me hypothesize, based on earlier reports that “the pilot survived/his 18 year old son survived” that there was some medical emergency with the actual pilot and someone else, who did not know how to ‘aviate, navigate, or communicate’ with the tower was attempting to control the plane.
Again, a hypothesis based on real data (Juan’s V1 speed of 130 and the blowout of the tires) with hearsay (18 year old son of pilot survived /pilot initially survived. )
Only time and the NTSB report will tell.
"never made it fully into the air"
It was an RTO which means the tires never left the ground at all.
A very late RTO - the aircraft had reached V1 a good 7 to 8 seconds before it began to decelerate according to ADSB data.
I could understand a single engine aircraft attempting a late RTO, e.g. partial/full engine failure, but why when well past V1 the pilot rejected in a twin is beyond me - as a PPL.
Condolences to all involved.
National Traffic Safety Board. Never heard of that, so can you tell me what it is?
They investigate plane crashes among other things.
I believe he meant to say National Transportation Saftey Board.
@@josephmcgrail5467 Damn, aren't those folks who always tell us to stay in our lane!
That investigates traffic accidents involving cars and planes.
You should watch Air Crash Investigation or Mayday. Lots of free episodes on TH-cam, a really good series.
thought the pilot survived they never said
yes.. with severe injuries
@@kevinedwards7206 negatory - pilot was among 4 occupants who perished in crash.
@@kevinedwards7206No, it was the pilot's 18 year old son who survived.
@@igclappI have a hypothesis that the pilot had a medical emergency and someone else took over and attempted to abort the takeoff.
The NTSB will issue a report, which will determine if I’m right in my gut instinct.
If it was the pilot’s 18 year old son trying to help his dad, then that puzzle piece would fit.
Have there been any further reports on the 18 year old boy’s condition ?
@afriendlyfaceinthecrowd The son was released from hospital. I think medical incapacitation of the pilot is unlikely as the plane tracked straight all the way to the crash.
i knew the 12 year old. tutored him a couple years ago. rest in peace
Im sorry 😢
So a car going on it's way get hit by a plane, this is a very difficult way to comprehen that a loved one dies
@@nerminnagi6654 its way. NOT it’s!!!!
How do you get to be a journalist and dont know the government agencies. National Transportation Safety Board not traffic.
He was obviously confusing it with NHTSA - the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Too many common letters in the initials, but completely different job descriptions.
@@Fadamor Spent 36 years in aviation and it still bothers me when a C130 makes round engine noise in a movie.
@@donaldsiler6779 LOL Are you sure you aren't thinking of "Airplane!"? That was one of the best running gags in the movie. 😆
Sounds like an overloaded aircraft, or engine issue. RIP to the victims.
Possibly, but I’m thinking flaps.
Shrade62 I am thinking the same but youngtimer does have a good point, lots of new accounts do involve flaps and/or trim. This all just guessing at this point,
Plane crashes are always horrible events. They are so unpredictable and unexpected. Condolences to the dead and their families.
From What I read on other posts The plane reached 130. V1 was 100. Depending on weight of the plane and weather V1 can be more. V1 is the speed you don’t reject a take off. At 130 that plane should have lifted off the runway. There was one comment on a you tube channel where someone on the tarmac heard an explosion from the aircraft about the middle of the runway. However that could have been from the tires exploding at high speed or 130. I’m sure both the NTSB and Honda jet are all over this. Just so sad.
Damn. So sad.
My heart aches for all of the families of the victims, and I pray for strength, healing, and peace for all of you dealing with this tragedy.
May The Good Lord Be With You All. 🙏
We don’t need 3 reporters to give us a story.
It’s National Transportation Safety Board not Traffic
😂
first time hearing about the plane being over weight, excruciating
CLICKBAIT
When is a plane crash not devastating?
A toy plane
That was the second Honda jet to get blown off a runway this month 😢
“Never fully made it into the air”??? It never became airborne. Weather had nothing to do with it.
Tragic. 😢
The pilot tried to abort the takeoff at V1 stage and the plane’s speed was going too fast for the amount of runway he had. There’s a video that shows the smoke coming off the tires/brakes just before it crashed.
I used to wonder why uninsured motorist insurance was a thing.
Such a sad situation. Lord may you draw close to all those who lost loved ones.
Oh, shuuuuuuut uuuuuuup with all that nonsense!!! Your fantasy religion has nothing to do with it!
I would take chances driving to the airport vs boarding a plane that isn't ready for flight..
News channel screws up another serious incident. "National Traffic Safety Board" really? get your names straight.
It's called a Freudian slip. You know what they meant. They're an underpaid intern reporting facts on a deeply emotional story, not the president spouting some bs.
5 people died and that’s what you’re upset about? It’s called a mistake. People make them
The sole question: why didn't the plane take off? It had the speed.
Trying to abort a Take off after Rotate speed?
This is the first fatal crash of a HondaJet, and by the way the plane was performing I'm going to guess it was overloaded.
No, the pilot didn’t rotate even though the plane was traveling at 130 knots-above V1, 110 knots.
In other words, the plane had to be flying at that speed, an aborted takeoff would have been impossible. A pilot would have initiated an emergency go around.
Mis trimmed or control lock in place is my thoughts.
exactly
The control lock on this Honda jet is a big red strap wrapped around the yolk.
The pilot couldn’t have missed that. My hypothesis is that the pilot had a medical emergency and the only survivor, his 18 year old son, attempted to stop the plane.
Only time and the NTSB report will tell.
This is why you drive... like everyone else...
Need to point out that pile behind jet is the car that was hit.
"National TRAFFIC Safety Board is the lead agency investigating how this crash came to be..." stated at 2:36 in the video contains an error. The correct name of the agency tasked with investigating civil transportation accidents is the NTSB; National Transportation Safety Board, transportation not traffic. In addition to civil aviation the NTSB also investigates and reports on ship/marine, pipeline, bridge failures, railroad accidents and other incidents/accidents and failures. Such an obvious error is shocking.
So, the only survivor was the pilot?
That's crazy...
Don’t believe that was reported in this broadcast.
@@charliepiland3285 Per ABC15, the pilot was among the four a/c passengers that were reported to have died in the crash.
Heard the same from another report, pilot survived. If true he has got some explaining to do.
No, the only survivor was the pilot's 18 year old son.
Tragic!! Prayers for their family 🙌
I worry about the small planes flying over houses in LA
Yes
Especially that one Cessna plane that flys around all day long
over a million people die in car crashes world wide every year--why are you worried?
RIP to the lost. Horrible.
Prayers for the families, everyone was so young.
Tell me rocket scientist, during what part of flight are you driving? How does something happen entirely often?
Did they just totally ignore the driver of the car? As if their death wasn’t just as tragic? Or did I miss it somehow?
Who was driving the plane, you know the pilot, why is nothing being said about this person?
Ohh Dear Oh Dear ... My Heart Pumps Piss
Let's see what the NTSB finds. This reminds me of a crash of a small jet from Hanscom field near Boston some years back when the pilots forgot to remove the control column gust lock.
The media providing wrong info
2:15: "The most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to the airport."
A good case can be made for the truth of this when applied to scheduled airline flights - but not beyond that.
there is a partial video of the crash. The plane wouldn't lift off. Then the brakes locked up, and the aircraft skidded off the runway. Not the first runway mishap for these jets, but it is the first fatal crash. Condolences to the victims of this tragedy.
Why did pilot wait till 133 knots to reject takeoff…?…well above reject takeoff speed…..should have been airborne by 110 knots…very strange.
National traffic safety board? You mean National transportation safety board?
National TRANSPORTATION Safety Board.
I was there earlier yesterday. I will be stopping by and leaving something. 😢😢😢
Oh sorry
I’m just wondering if this tragic accident was caused by a bird strike, condolences to all affected by this.
That’s why families should not fly together
It's 200K more dangerous to be in a moving car than to be a passenger on an airplane.
Your comment is impractical and disingenuous.
Oh, really? This is why? Familites being taken out by airplanes all the time so we need to avoid planes now? You stupid or something?
Flap setting?
Engine issues??
Pilot error???
Tire faliure????
This ones sad , as they all are.
And strange…..
He tried to abort after hitting V1
@ericbedenbaugh7085 and never communicated, was way above v1 and rotation speed at 133, extremely weird situation
@@tikonrI am no pilot, but I would have thought this plane would have lifted off at 30kts above V1. Methinks the flaps were not set for takeoff. No engine issues as it accelerated another 30kts in a few seconds after V1.
@@tedburnard841 there’s a warning system that alerts the pilot if takeoff power is set without the proper flap setting
Mr ntsb expert 🙄🙄🙄
in alot of ways i hate it when people say"wrong place at the wrong time"its made out to be there fault an there doing when they had no choice or say in the matter..............
God rest their soul. Weight and balance perhaps.
First, my heart breaks for all involved, including the witnesses. The images from this are horrific. That said, you'd think the journalist could pronounce Kimball correctly. It's not an unusual last name... kim-bull.
So what was he doing taking off or landing? I mean a Honda Jet, those are fairly new airplanes, but a machine does fail. RIP
They tried K swapping it.
Leaning on their faith? A fat lot of good their faith did the victims!
❤ I'm deeply saddened what I've heard about here today on TH-cam God bless you all and may the Lord be with you and I'm deeply saddened for lots of love of your loved ones as well I saw him in 2022 they were laughing and enjoying the end of the responsibilities of their own joy and the best public I've ever met in my entire life I'm in tears for the loss of your family as well God bless you all
BOOSTED... PILOT?
Honda Jet is one of the finest business jets ever built. Probably overloaded and weight and balance out of POH specifications. It does not take much to overload any aircraft , density altitude , amount and weight of fuel onboard, baggage , weight of the 5 passengers and the pre flight decision making loading such things. Poor areonautical decision making is 95 to 97% of the root cause of most fatal aircraft wrecks/crashes. It will be interesting to find out what happened here so...others don't meet such an untimely fate.
How bout not releasing parking brake, that could impact a takeoff distance
The plane was past the speed limit of being able to stop in time…like 110 knots….i don’t know the correct terminology….rotation at 115 something…blah blah…obviously you make a nanosecond choice…do I go up with no power or do I slam on the brakes…has two engines…caught in the middle…and full fuel….you’re either a commercial pilot or an amateur pilot…Ive been in accidents…you don’t have time to react….all of a sudden you’re spinning circles….no chance to react…rip…also weight on the tires may have been an issue on attempted stop…
Stop bragging Mr show off know it all expert 🙄🙄🙄
V tech failure🫢
Pilot error is definitely going to be one factor, as this obviously should have been an aborted takeoff (for other, unknown reasons). They did try to abort but way too late (according to transponder data).
I first learned about this listening to the ATC audio. The tower controller was completely oblivious that the plane had overshot and crashed until it was reported 4 times by other aircraft. 3 reports of a fire/smoke just off the end of the runway, then someone told the tower the fire was a plane crash. Probably not much the controller could have done but the lack of situational awareness was alarming.
The plane was traveling about 80mph when it crossed the road. It was on fire before it even came to a stop (presumably when it hit the car).
Guess a jet needs more runway?
Planes are worse than driving.
you are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport than to die in the plane
@@stephaniegiacco7524 thats a copy and paste response old people been saying for far too long.
Why are you blaming planes when you don't even knwo that pilot rejected takeoff
@@OregonCrow it is literally a study? You seem like the type of person to say people who credit Wikipedia are wrong because “you can’t trust everything you see on the internet”
Likely not.
a dragging parking brake . C/G loading,. everything else gets a warning light
Of course it never made it into the air! The pilot was attempting to abort the takeoff well after V1
FATE is the hunter; the vehicle was at the wrong place at exactly the wrong moment....
Another channel had ATC commentary
National traffic safety Board? You mean… National TRANSPORTATION Safety Board?
Pilot error.
A tragic loss to the families.
@@daveluttinen2547 ? source ?
@@lizmandelaine6863 : Source? Common sense. You do not accelerate above V1 and attempt to stop. You take off and fly. The crash demonstrates why that is taught as a basic skill. 133kts is 30kts above v1. That is basic airmanship. Pilot error. Sorry to say.
@ have learned and know more re; aeronautics than ever wanted or intended to, and this “knowledge” - as somehow quantifying the direct of certain fault/blame, in lieu of an open and shut investigation - is not “common” to me, however still learning. Thx for sharing.
@@lizmandelaine6863 These discussions are how we learn. The most experienced pilots on here pick up new things. I am not a high-time pilot, but my training was very intense and rewarding. I love reading people's thoughts when they share good information and I try to share the best I can offer. I feel bad for the pilot who will have to explain what happened in this crash. I'm very curious what thought processes were going on.
Sweet Jesus!!
Close to ASU, Tempe
so stupid to have any road and fences at the beginning or the end of a runway.
It's the airport boundary...and without roads, how would you get to the airport?😮
@@danielgregory3295gyro copter.
Speaking of stupid….
I didn’t know Honda made jets 🤔
Trying to reject after V1 caused these people to die.
All these armchair pilot experts yapping away. It was 99% likely an issue with the Fetzer valve.
Que es esto?
Why didn’t the brakes keep the plane going straight down the runway?
Boosted??
Naturally aspirated
Looks like a failed aborted takeoff, pilot waited too long to abort and couldn't stop in time, so ran out of runway will be pilot error primary failure he was past v1 and vr before the abort attempt
Useless reporting
Terrible reporting. Can't even get NTSB right. And nothing new. Just click bait.
Doctor or lawyer pilot?
Sorry their mistakes led to the death of the innocent passerby. RIP
I’ve listened to the ATC recording…a dozen times., it sounds like the controller lined the aircraft up and gave him permission to take off and prior to him hitting V2 they cancels the take off because the controller lined up a airplane to land on that runway….it sounds like human error but not on the side of the pilot
No. Those were other planes they were talking to, and they can have a couple cleared to land. But the tower wasn’t looking, because they had to be told of the incident…
@@troyjollimore4100exactly. A plane cleared to land would still be well out from the runway and the plane taking off would ( normally) be airborne in plenty of time. Over V1 he would tell the controller “unable” if they tried to pull a stunt like that.
@@drforjc There was a plane cleared to land at the same time, but on the OTHER runway.