Sam'sTrains vs. The Inglenook Shunting Challenge
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- My first ever attempt at the infamous Inglenook shunting challenge - and what fun it was!
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I love these, I’ve done a few at railway shows and never got bored.-Das Mann
Absolutely - I can't see myself getting bored of this either!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ooh, a shunting puzzle. I need to build one of those someday...
Yeahh!! Do it - it's so much fun! :D
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Did u ever end up building this?
sadly no. Finally got the cash, but now ive got no space, not even for something that fits on a piece of printer paper.
Sam : "I have all five together in order!"
Me: "Well, it should beginn from the locomotive side...."
Sam : "Oh...."
haha I guess it doesn't matter! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was thinking something similar, but if the numbers are in the order of the drop offs going down a branch line, then the order (ascending or descending) would depend on the branch. First to drop on the end so they can just pull into a siding and uncouple the last car(s), or back onto a spur (either way. uncouple all the remaining cars, apply brakes, maneuver the cars down the spur, recouple to the rest of the train, continue on, or back the whole consist down the spur to drop the car(s) on the end.) I guess it would also depend on if there was a brake van or not.
Same Lol.
The music and explosion! It got me
haha I thought the video needed a bit of that ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oooo... definitely getting my mind racing. Time to set one of these up! I use OO gauge hook and chain couplings so this will be fun haha!
Have fun - so enjoyable!! haha that certainly will be fun... good luck!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam: "I'm going to try something which I think is quite clever"
Me: Headbutts table as Sam sandwiches 3 between 2 and 1 instead of just picking up 3 first, then 2... :)
haha that's basically it, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'd love to see you doing these live! Maybe a new "section" or interlude like El Cheapo?
I would too - it could definitely be fun!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It’s 1:17 AM here for me and I’m so happy I stayed awake long enough to see this early
Side Note: I’m totally gonna try this virtually cause I don’t have model trains 😭
haha awesome!! It'd be epic to try this in train simulator actually! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains so I did end up trying it on my TRS19 and it was fun! Granted, the lines were slightly longer to allow trainz to change the points (it requires a certain distance for you to be able to switch points) but I didn’t cheat!
@@SheffieldNo14Productions Nice Dude
@@SheffieldNo14Productions Cool.
I tried this once when I was younger and I got confused pretty quickly 😂
haha yeah - I've done a bit of this in my own time, and it can get confusing!! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This looks like a lot of fun, I would love to see more of these!
Awesome vid. So much fun to watch! Yes, please do more of them again!!
Thanks so much!! Sure - I'll do more!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video dude, this looks like a cool challenge to do. Shunting is always good fun and this just brings a whole new dynamic to it. Well done for bossing it first time around
I always enjoyed your shunting videos. It looks like you got yourself a puzzle and a half.
Thanks so much - yeah this one sure is!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great work Sam! I would totally love to see more of these challenges. It makes you appreciate what it was like for people who worked in shunting yards. Their job was to literally solve the puzzle every day...under time pressure too!
Thanks so much Harry - it does actually, that's very true!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I loved this. My future layout will have a place for this for sure. I’ma try the 1 in front and 5 in the back though for the added challenge😂. Hope to see more of these
Sounds great Ian - endless fun really! Good luck! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yeah, I think Sam cheated. Number one should have been next to the loco, which would have been a much bigger challenge! (However, I'm rather glad he did cheat: 14 minutes is quite long enough to watch someone else doing a puzzle!)
This reminds me of a flash game I used to play as a kid called Railway Shunting Puzzle. But instead of wagons being numbered, you had to put each wagon of each design in its designated spot.
An idea for a round 2 of this is to use the same wagons, but arrange them in alphabetical order by the name that is printed on the side. You would also try arranging them by size too.
Ooh interesting - I used to play one called railway valley - that sounds great fun! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great stuff Sam, I love shunting. Working with an experienced shunter, it was always amazing how they minimized the number of moves to carry out the required shunt
Thanks a lot Mike - massive respect for them - no way I could ever be anything close to efficient!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I had to smile when I saw this. I worked as a university technician back in the 1970s and one of the other technicians had built something like this in O gauge, on a table with lots of old GPO relays and strowger selectors underneath. He had wired it into a simple computer. You dialled in (on an old telephone dial) the truck numbers in the order you wanted them, flicked a switch, then with a lot of whirring and clicking it automatically solved this puzzle and drove a locomotive around and shunted the trucks into the correct order. The only issue was that the automatic decoupler didn't always work. So 50 years later, you have done what a 1970s machine using 19th century technology could do. :-D
Oh wow that's absolutely incredible.... does the machine still exist today?!?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Very unlikely that it still exists. (I don't even know if the guy is still alive!) It was built as a demonstration of control engineering. It would be done with an arduino and a few power FETs nowadays. I will continue watching as long as you keep producing such interesting, entertaining and informative videos, Thanks
@@SamsTrains I just read up on the Inglenook puzzle, and it dates back to 1979, so what I saw wasn't identical, but it was very, very similar. On open days, the technician would ask members of the audience to shout out numbers and he would dial them in then stand back while the machine did its thing, much to the amazement of everyone watching. It certainly fascinated me and yet I had an idea how it worked.
Hi Sam, I was routing for you all the way. Yea, turning them all round to be numbered the other way would be an epic adventure. Can we have more of this, every now and then please. Loved it.
I love this! I might have to give this a try myself, though I'll have to dismantle my layout to get some switches.
Awesome! I'd highly recommend it - genuinely so much fun! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I love this, i think combining trains and puzzles is super fun. You should do some more!
I think so too - crazy that I've never tried it before!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have a version of it on my smartphone, it is a very addictive game. And lots of modellers made scenic version of this puzzle, it's a classic.
Excelent idea to show us your version, I love it !
Oh wow - I'd love to try a digital version!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This was a fun and interesting video! Thanks for this Sam lol.
Thanks so much - glad you liked it!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Here's how you could do it in fewer moves:
1. Take the 2 unwanted wagons from the main line and put them on the 2nd (empty) siding
2. Couple to the "4" and "3" wagons, move them to the 1st siding, and couple them to "2".
3. Bring 4, 3, and 2 onto the main line and couple them to 1.
4. Go back to the 1st siding and grab the unwanted wagon and wagon 5. Bring it onto the main line and couple to the already assembled 4/3/2/1.
5. You still have one unwanted wagon directly behind the loco, move it back to the siding and go back to your finished train on the mainline.
(I'm really good at puzzles :))
I am a retired conductor and your solution is correct. On my railroad we had conductors and we had switchmen who were conductors who knew how to switch in economy of effort. Some conductors couldn't switch a flatcar out of a train of boxcars successfully. I was blessed with men who taught me to "look ahead" a few moves which contributed to my success as a switchman. Getting rid of those first two unwanted cars was critical. Nobody wants to see the same cars going back and forth. Get rid of the fat and attack the lean. I worked with a switchman early on who took the switching orders provided him at the start of the "trick" and went and had a few drinks as he analyzed the lists. He was a genius in my opinion. One last question. Are you married? If you are you have met the stumper of all puzzles as time will attest.
That was super cool Sam, Can't wait for more!
Thank you so much!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I love the giant brakeman, you best give him a good raise in pay.
haha I think he'd be happy with that! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Lovely! Will definitely try this out myself. Thank you, Sam! 😊 👍
Sounds awesome - good luck!!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video idea, I love inglenooks. I find adding a few wagons of different lengths can make it significantly harder and it once took me an hour and a half to complete when I limited the length of the headshunt to only 2 wagons.
I’ve started to build a shunting puzzle layout for indoors... having a full loop in my house isn’t an option for me right now and the loop for in the summer house is too cold in the winter months... I’ve done months of testing and planning and the layout is exactly what I want... easy to store, fun and light.. just getting started on the scenery but I’d recommend to anyone... you can have hours of fun on a couple
Of feet of track great vid sam 👍
What a fun video, please do make more!
Thanks so much - I will do! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I always wanted to try shunting puzzles, think I'll set up some track as its a rainy day and all and give it a whirl.
I'll film it too and share the disaster lol.
Me too - it's 100% worth doing, trust me!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've been working on a small HO Inglenook Sidings layout for the past several months. It is nearly complete and can be viewed on my Facebook page (just search my name). I've also written a browser program that can solve the puzzle using AI methods. For the 8 car version, every standard random start can be solved in 20 moves or less, but the bulk of them have solutions of 13 to 17 moves. Unfortunately, when I "wing it" on my own, my solutions can be a lot longer. There are other versions of the puzzle for 3 to 7 cars, with the siding capacities reduced, of course. Thanks so much for this video, Sam! Cheers from Wisconsin.
I'm surprised that you're only now getting around to operational running, Sam, though obviously, it's not for everyone. We all like different things about the hobby: some are in it for making scenery, others for just letting the trains run around a lovely big loop, and others devise timetables and detailed goods trains, and deliver specific wagons to certain types of industry. I'd certainly like to see more of this please, Sam, as shunting is the first thing I'd do on a layout of my own!
Switching puzzles are great. Good to incorporate in your regular layout.
Yes Sam do more, I've made a shunting puzzle for the grandkids, it's a huge success loads of fun
That sounds fantastic Eddy - great to hear it went down well!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
There have been other videos on TH-cam which intended to show the Inglenook puzzle. Your's is the first of seen which actually makes sense. Thank you.
haha thanks Dave, that's very good to hear!! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
So much fun! For an uncoupler I have used a short length of dowel with one end sanded to around 45 degees. Glue a small square of plasticard (ordinary card will do), to that end and it will swivel at the join and lift the couplers itself.
Excellent video Sam. I began my first step into model railway today by assembling the tracks for an inglenook and your video of solving the puzzle was really useful :) Thank you.m
I love shunting puzzles. They make you feel like a real engine driver
American here. Respectfully, engine drivers have little concept of what switching cars entails. All they need to know is how to make engine movements at the direction of the train conductor. It is up to the conductor to make the switching "shell game" succeed. I know because I am a retired conductor.
@@ruffian2952 well, then it makes you feel like a real conductor
@@EdwardsDayOut Actually, lad, my statement is the result of the historical antagonism that has flourished between operating crafts since the golden spike was driven. My favorite answer to an enquiring engineman..." just take a motion ( hand motion conveying engine movement)". Teach them all they know but not all you know.
You never let me down with your great videos I really like this video. Great job!
Thanks so much - that's lovely to hear! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great fun. It's all part of model train enjoyment and nice to see the 0-4-0 doing what it was designed to do. You could loose hours! 😊👍
Awesome to see a shunting puzzle!
Thanks Will - glad you enjoyed it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
these videos are the best all these videos have inspired me to get back to model trains I can't wait to get HO gauge it seems the best I only have O gauge. thank you Sam you make the best videos
Thank you so much - that's lovely to hear!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You love it these are pretty good a characters hornby wagons is actually altogether.
its amazing how easy it is to include this into a larger layout and how it provides "something to do" while other trains circle. my own layout is getting similar but with Mk1 parcels coaches
Very much so - I'm seeing them everywhere I look now I'm familiar with the challenge! That's excellent - great idea!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A cool challenged, might have to try it out!
Go for it - it's very easy to set up, and great fun! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm going try this with my daughters! This is great!
Ay up Sam! I love this video, I'm going to try this challenge myself when I get home! Probably do it with my Terrier
Thanks so much! That sounds awesome - have fun! Would work great with a Terrier! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video so much fun to watch.
I would love to see you do more of these they are very entertaining and mind-boggling at the same time. Also quoted from season 12 episode one (peckit on the points). Lol. Absolutely great episode keep up the good work
Thanks so much Stewart - yeah definitely a little bit mind-boggling!! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Really enjoyed that may look into creating one of these for the large collection of small shunting loco's I seem to be getting in the collection. Extra challenge should be the guards van needs to be included in it and must be put on the end of the wagon train first.
This is amazing, I do this challenge sometimes and I usually just finish in 2 hours!!
(But I do use 27 wagons on 5 sidings)
Oh wow!! That sounds way more challenging!! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My head hurts🤣
Looks like so much fun.
haha sorry about that! It is great fun though!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This was ace ! Really enjoyed it :)
I just play with the names(ex. box, tank, flatbed, gondola etc...) this is way more challenging! Thanks Sam's trains!
This reminds me of 3D Ultra Train Town Deluxe. There are several anagram puzzles in that. It is quite literally several trains of hoppers or boxcars, each containing a letter, and you have to use the Diesel shunters, sidings, turntables, whatever, to rearrange the cars, and find the correct word in the time limit.
Ahh that sounds fantastic - I'll have to try that too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Love the inglenook. I have one built into my layout.
Excellent - good fun!
Awesome ... I have to do this with my America Flyers Definitely more of these on the program
Awesome!! And sure - more coming soon! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great little challenge would love to see more
Thanks Jamie - I'll do more some time!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks like fun, I’m definitely going to try that👍🏻
Do it - it is great fun!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Very nice ,, well done . Really fun , puts your brain to work .
I have actually started to build a puzzle this week. My baseboard is constructed, and I have a coal mining theme in mind because I have an NCB Bellerophon on order. My father-in-law was an engineer for the Coal Board at Haydock, and actually repaired the engine and sometimes was allowed to drive it in the yard. The colliery branch had a road crossing with gates and a signal box which will be the subject of a second board sometime in the future.
Hi Sam. Yes enjoyed the video. There must be more shunting puzzles and I would love to see them on the site. Thanks
There are - I've heard a lot about the timesaver one today, might look into that too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Duck: i am a better shunter
Peket: shunt better
Duck: :[
haha!! xD
Hi, I’ve been playing around with inglenooks for a while now and in the process of upgrading points. Have been going over the rules and looking more in depth of solutions and strategies as shown in the rules.
I always thought the finished rake of wagons had to be in the longest length of track but the rake shown in the solutions and strategies, although in the correct order and can be taken away they are not in the longest length of track and cannot be fitted into it.
Can you tell me if it is sufficient to get the wagons in the correct order or if they need to be in the correct order and in the longest length of track.
Who doesn't love a bit of shunting! still have my Hornby 0-4-0 no 27 from (ahem) 1975... Nice evocative session thanks Sam
Cool video, I've built one in 00 and one in N, but I've hardly used them as a shunting puzzle, them usually just being display pieces.
If you'd picked up wagon 3 from the first siding then picked up wagon 2 from the second, you could've done it a little quicker.
An interesting challenge would be to upscale it to the scale of a marshalling yard, using a larger loco to shunt longer rakes of wagons around. But of course, not many modellers have space for that, and this type of layout was developed for small spaces with loads of operational interest.
That's what my lil layout is totally based on, got one extra siding though. It's a great thing to do for long periods. Moving loco at slow speeds, and having the other wagons placed on an odds/even mix when returning to sidings when your finished puzzle. It should be a success for your channel, once you start looking into the variations. All the best. Brian @ The Angels.
How this is the only challenge that made me want to do these
haha awesome - glad to hear that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I am impressed that the loco ran across the points without stalling. Wish my small engines would do that.
Hi Sam great video, got to love an inglenook layout.
Do you think that you'll develop this layout further? Would love to see if completed!
Never knew about this until I read about this in the March issue of Model Railroader.I love puzzles(much to the frustration of my missus,she has no patience)and of course model trains(even more frustration from the missus).So after watching your vid I am going to give it a go
Ahh fantastic Alan - definitely give it a go, it's great fun! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
hey sam i really did enjoy challange can u please post the instructions so i can build my own and how to set up
This is a great video! And I'm gonna try this on my layout but, at 6:00 why not couple up to No.3 then No.2 and take them both back to No.1?
I didn’t know there is such challenge called inglenook. Brilliant video mate 🙂
Ahh fantastic - something new for you then! Thank you - glad you liked it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great vid Sam, I've got a spare peco 3 way point and some odd bits of flexi track so I'm going to give it a go. I'll be using dcc though. Please do some more!
Sounds great Nick - hope you have fun with it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Love this video Sam. What are the minimum track lengths for the two sidings you can accomplish this puzzle please.👍
Never heard of these before... what an interesting concept
I know right!! I was amazed when I learned about it too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
These looks like fun
Wish I had enough rolling stock and track to do this lol
This looks fun! I’ll have to try it someday. I was wondering what the music you used at 0:14 was called, really like the rhythm.
It definitely was fun!! Oh yeah - that one is quite nice - I'm not sure of the name now :(
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hiya sam great video! I just got the gauge master prodigy advanced do you have any dcc locos that are cheap that you could recommend??
Ooh that sounds amazing!! Not a huge amount to choose from in the UK - most models come DCC ready!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yeah that’s the issue🤣😑 but then the problem is choosing a decoder then you having to wire the sound if you want some and I’m just lazy🤣🤣
Very interesting video today Sam really enjoyed the challenge
Thanks so much James! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, you have been reading my mind! After moonlighting at a rival model train You-tuber (sorry!) I got interested in the idea, so am midway through building a small Inglenook-friendly industrial layout. Really enjoyed watching your experience and obvious enthusiasm. Def do more! As an aside, would the HM6000 not be ideal for this sort of thing? Maybe hunts couplings too. Keep it up!
haha thanks Greg - that sounds awesome - hope you have fun with it! Sure, the HM6000 would be grand for this - very good thought!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Think I might make my yards on my layouts in a way where I can easily set this up and use it for making shunting operations for mixed freight trains
I'd definitely recommend that - gives the layout so much more play value!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great idea! - very watchable; please do some more. I remember in 1950s a Rupert Bear annual had a puzzle, centred around a 'Y' (i.e. three points with short curves making a triangle. Leading from the three points of the triangle are one short siding (room for an 0-4-0 engine and a truck, or 2 trucks) and two long ends (representing the 'main line') on each of which is a train (engine + 3 trucks) facing each other. The puzzle is how to get the two trains past each other and facing away from the Y. That was in the days of clockwork trains - it may be more difficult to wire up a 'Y' for 2-rail, and you might have to use DCC to control each engine separately!
I've seen that puzzle (and variations thereof) and oval puzzles etc published in 80 to 90 year old magazines, using 3 rail, obviously (like clockwork) obviating any need for special wiring.
well spotted :)
I’m tempted to try this in the distant future with 3-rail O scale
Excellent Sam.. Loved that.. Do it again..
Thanks so much Mark - I definitely will do! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ok so i did this challenge in roblox but i have a question, cause in my playthrough i built the numbered train on a siding, instead of the mainline, is that rule breaking?
I love Inglenook puzzles. I have a couple of Inglenook Apps on my phone, great when waiting in lines at the checkout! But I number my train wagons with #1 at the loco, so I think you got it the wrong way round. Anyway here's another challenge. After you have mastered 5 wagons, then move up to 6, 7, and finally 8 wagon trains. The trick is to marshal the last five wagons in the long siding, and then build the rest of the consist in one of the other sidings. Then join them. Can be done. I'd love to see you give it a try.
Me too! I'll have to try one of those apps at some point! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Would it work like this…take a picture of each wagon. Stick them on cards and shuffle them. Deal them out, then you have to rearrange the wagons as they are on the cards.
Yes it be a good idea to do some more
Thanks Roy - more on the way! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video!!
Who wants to be a top line driver when shunting exercises are so much fun. Please do more Sam. Cheers
haha exactly!! Thanks a lot Greg! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam!Im starting a model railway journey by the beggining of June.I have a question for you that will help me.Is it possible to run dcc ready loco on dc layout?
Glad you used an 0-4-0. They are made for the job! Hoping to build a siding layout based on my local (now closed) industrial railway. This would be a good challenge 🤔 They used andrew Barclay saddle tanks til the 1950s. Another great video!
Yeah absolutely - worked surprisingly well on those points! I'd love to do this with an Andrew barclay some time! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is amazing. If you want to twist it up you could do it in the section of track under the table you do trucks and coaches or Evan make that shunting chalice layout Even bigger and have 1 rake of coaches and one rake of wagons.
Out of curiosity what model Gaugemaster controller is that? I've thought about getting a single gaugemaster, is that one good?
Ooh a different video. Great video. I liked this one actually. I could try one of these. "Get you guys to submit instructions" famous last words
haha I know... definitely a bad idea, but still a fun one! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
On the dubject of wagons behaving, would you consider adding Dapol and Msinline wagons to your 'who has the best rolling stock' series?
Cool idea - most of those date back quite a few years though, particularly the Mainline ones - but maybe!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)