The HARSH TRUTH About Being a Woodworker
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Bit of a different feel to this weeks video. I hope that you enjoy it.
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Hi Mark, I have followed your woodworking journey from the start, and mate, you have improved so much. You still have the same wonderful way of explaining your current project, no matter what it is or it's complexity or, just the 'normal' run of the mill projects we all do. Thanks for letting us be part of your videos. Don't change anything or the way you do them. This is what makes them so special. From kmdc in Oz.
Journey is the word. What a lovely comment too. Thank you so much and thank you for being part of the journey.
Can't show the back because "I hand routed a special message for my wife, and it won't be so special if all of you see it." Most authentic moment in youtube history. Keeping the private part private. Excellent.
It's a beautiful project too.
Thank you. She is yet to see it. Will she ever watch this video or will I cave. Hard to say.
@@startmaking1 LOL
We’ve chatted about this before, but you put it into perfect perspective as usual. The struggle and the pressure from woodworking are real, and making videos about woodworking doubles the anxiety factor. Keep on keeping on my friend, you got this ✌️
Thank you Lee. It's brutal sometimes isnt it? But then there are the other times. PS loving the holiday insta. Looks brilliant. You have to tour the UK sometime. It's like Amsterdam and Paris but with more grey, more swearing and wet weather. Its great. Hope the rest of your trip is as good as the first bit looked.
@@startmaking1 London is next on the list. Probably around the holidays! 😁 Better have a pint ready for me!
@@BustedKnuckleWoodworks 1 hour by train from me. You may just get it.
Brilliant build Mark - I’m glad you followed it through and didn’t scrap it as it’s a perfect present for your wife - I’m sure she, and all your visitors will love it!
Thank you Duncan.
Really pleased you raised this issue. Men don't talk too well about their feelings, especially British ones. Our journeys are all different but more alike than perhaps we realise. Fantastic design and impressive skill. Thanks for sharing.
You are spot on. Thank you.
That looks amazing, and your struggles resonate with me. I suffer from physical health, which has placed me in a wheelchair. This, along with other things, has caused my mental health to suffer, to the point that there are times that I think that the world would be better without me on it. Woodworking is my outlet (when my physical health allows), when it doesn't, videos like yours do. Thank you.
Hey Mark. Thank you And oh my goodness, Im sorry to hear about your struggles. I wont be silly and say I understand because in truth not many people truly will. What I will say is that all the support you have given me, probably without really knowing it has made a huge difference to me and my happiness. So you have made my small world better. And I appreciate it genuinely. A kind comment goes a long way, and you offer them freely and frequently.
It’s beautiful. Oh I felt your pain. I’ve made a miniature structure that requires a (flat)roof, however once I made the roof, I cracked on with window frames but noticed the roof had curved…I’ve not got back to the project since because I can’t find a solution. I’m so glad you persisted. Well done. ✨🌈🧡🌈✨And Well done on the Better Help. Trouble with you tube is that too many viewers chip in with their views without regarding the impact on the maker. You’re not obligated to take on any of that. You are kindly sharing your time and your learning journey and your expertise. Delete and block negativity. That negativity would rarely be said face to face and this is entertainment not a home for the armchair critics to vent their frustrations. I love your channel, and your honesty. 🎉
Yet another lovely comment from you sir., Thank you. I always appreciate them. You are spot on too. But on this rare occasion I am yet to encounter a negative comment. That makes me smile. Not the compliments but the fact that people know deep down when not to chip in without thought. As for your structure. I get it. I have quite a few projects that in truth with a lot of thought and serious effort, I may end up fixing/completing, but the risk of ruining the work already done or failing. Or just the huge effort seems to redirect me elsewhere. I think that is one reason why this one was so hard mentally as I could not let myself seek easier wins. I also would like to say thank you for reminding me to delete and block negativity, too many times I engage and that is the worst thing to do. Take care bud and thank you.
Well said ❤ both you.
Mark, you know you're our favorite maker. I'm happy to have a "maker" who understands the philosophical nature of wood working. It is not a craft for stupid people. The "up down" method you show is brilliant some use the "crow's foot," (an inverted v that shows how to align the joints after milling) or some other referential proprietary mark. Had you considered using a cabinet makers rasp to help you with some of the clean up? I have a couple in different sizes and a monster shinto rasp that help move some wood. You did leave out how much fun you must have had sharpening that goose-neck scraper. This is a beautiful piece! Very much enjoyed the video, keep up the great work.
Hi Meat Thank you as always for your amazing support. To be honest I would be happy being in your top 20 makers. You lot are YT woodworking connoisseurs. you mention the cabinet rasp and shinto and I really love my shinto rasp but I think it would have struggled with this one due to the curves. Unless they make them with a curve. If they dont, they definitely should because that would be exactly what this project needed. As for the goose neck scraper, man that is a pain to sharpen. Genuinely I considered buying 10 of them so I didnt have to but in the end I only really used 3 of the arcs so sharpening them individually was not awful. 2 weeks after finishing the build, all the work and doubts etc feel like a distant memory. Funny how something that is so big at the time does that down the line. On to the next one. Take care bud.
@@startmaking1 You're doing great. The shinto is really only for hogging out lots of material and would not have benefited you on this build. I like the way you think and sometimes, if I'm truthful, I have bought more than one of an ancillary tool in order to not have to stop the flow. Your carving is well done and remember, it is artistry, so time is irrelevant. Neither of us is worried about production work, we just want to make basic woodworking projects that look good and perform better. Stop beating yourself up, go back to last year's videos and tell me you are the same artisan now as then. Keep making stuff, you are doing great!
Mark they aren't flaws... they are design features. Lovely piece, Im sure your good lady will be thrilled... and if she isn't... its my birthday next week (just saying)
Happy birthday for next week bud. Love the design features way of looking at it. you are of course spot on. Thank you.
Buddy I’m a 51 year old carpenter in the uk and just wanted you to know I love your channel brother 👍👍
Man, thats really kind. Thank you. I'm really envious of carpenters. Learning on TH-cam is nothing like an apprenticeship or formal qualification.
@@startmaking1 I’ve learned so much from TH-cam and always will. Woodworking is an endless happy journey 🫶🏻
Whatever else you may be, my friend... you are most definitely a "real woodworker", and a fair educator too! Be well, stay well.
That is really kind Simon. I appreciate it .
Mark that’s a brilliant piece of work, such a lovely design,
I’ve just started on the journey in carpentry as I’ve just retired, it’s you and a couple of others on TH-cam that have inspired me to have ago, so keep going and keep filming your doing great 👍
And your wife is going to love that work
Fingers crossed, I can tell you she is yet to watch the video lol. Thats ok though. And thank you for the kind comment.
I love your honesty Mark, its what makes you a real person and that's very engaging.
All the mistakes and frustrations you show in your videos are the reasons I watch your channel more than anyone else's. Someone who makes a perfect thing first time implies to me that they are an expert and that there is no way I can attempt that project as it will be too difficult ( sorry to imply you not an expert, that's not my intention) and I cant do it. You on the other hand, make me believe that I WILL make mistakes but that that is OK and they can be overcome. Kudos to you.
Lastly I have had my Mental health issues many years ago and luckily I saw a very gifted therapist who helped me immensely. It was a long process and at the start I didn't think it was going to help at all but, it turns out, I emerged a stronger person for the experience and now I can recognize when my mood is starting to spiral and I've learned how to react favorably to those times and turn myself around. Please, anyone who is thinking that "talking wont help me" it most certainly will but its a gradual process and the changes are small enough for you to not even notice they are happening, give it a go, what do you have to lose.
Oh, one more thing, Listening to music, great tip, I use it all the time although generally these days I chose Podcasts and audiobooks. Lots of free audiobooks available through your local Library and plenty of free, interesting Podcasts, there are probably even some on woodworking!
Good luck in all you endeavors.
FOOTNOTE : After reading some of the other comments here I wonder if anyone has heard of or use "Men in sheds" ? its a national organization which has local "clubs" and they help with socialization and mental health through woodworking - very much worth as search on the web.
Thats really kind. Thank you. And dont worry I am in no way an expert. This is all about my learning journey. And I am glad that the right message has been received. Mistakes are absolutely to be expected. They are the best way to learn. And thank you for sharing your journey and the positive message. I hope everyone who has resonated with this video reads your comment. Thank you for taking the time to share.
Thanks for all your videos, your workbench ones helped me out this month, mine's narrower and meant to go against the wall but otherwise same construction!
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Sorry that I have not managed any plans or anything for the bench yet. Who knew that Sketch up would be harder than woodworking.
Thanks, but no need, your video gave me all I needed to know!
Wow!
First of all what a great project and an even better finish. It looks amazing, and i'm sure your wife will love it.....and everyone else who sees it.
But in my opinion, and more important than the build and the project, thank you so much for bringing mental health onto the pitch in this community. Anxiety, depression and other issues that most of us suffer from when undertaking a new project can be completely debilitating. I've been there myself, on virtually every project. I suffer from crippling imposter syndrome (in woodworking and other areas of my life) which brings about mind-numbing anxiety from endless overthinking and ruminating. So much so that i still haven't started my own channel with my own content (even though i've been encouraged to do so by my wife, friends and family, as i've been told some of my work is really worth showcasing).
Too many people, but especially men, don't talk about the pressures and anxieties they experience during content creation. So for you to talk so candidly is really refreshing. I just hope that others start to follow your lead and make this topic a lot easier to discuss openly without judgement or ridicule.
Thank you Mark
Oh crap I cant believe I forgot to reply to this amazing comment. Sorry Matt. Thank you so much I really appreciate the time you took to write such a nice comment. I tend to get completely stuck and unable to move forwards the more jobs/ builds/ video ideas I have. Any one of them. If I have one thing I seem to be fine. But when do we only have one thing to think about. As for a channel. If you will get joy from it then you definitely should do it. But be warned it is hard, and can take some of the love from woodworking on the wrong days. But then there are the people. the community is so amazing. Every time I release a video the comments reassure me that I made the right choice. I really appreciate the comment and you sharing your experience. You are right. The more people just talking, the better.
@@startmaking1 Don't worry. No need to apologise.
As for getting stuck and unable to move forwards, it may be a male trait you know 🤣. We keep coming with jobs / builds / projects / general stuff to do, and never get round to either starting them, or finishing them once we've started. It's definitely the case for me, and in my opinion millions of men are like it.
I appreciate the comments about starting a channel. If I'm honest, it would be more about logging my experiences somewhere ( i hate using the word "journey" , so i'll use experiences instead 🤣)
I remember a few years ago, I didn't even own a drill, and now just a few years later I'm making keepsake boxes with an epoxy resin river lid with a laser engraved picture on the front. So, I've come quite far.
Would be good to shove all that footage somewhere for others to see, and learn from their experiences too.
Just remember, that what you've done is inspiring others. However the projects turn out, you're still an inspiration to many.....especially me.
But you hit record. That's the key.
Keep doing what you're doing, from a project/video perspective......and keep the conversation going about mental health in this space. It's vital.
Thank you.
Mark, I want you to know your simple flattening sled jig saved me sooo much time and anxiety. Never forget just how enriching the simple act of sharing knowledge and techniques truly is.
Hearing stuff like this is exactly why I have to read and reply to every comment. Thank you.
Grain is always you enemy with carving, on a big project like yours that swan necked scraper and time are both your friend! I would suggest finding a woodcarving club nearby to join, I'm in one and they are very helpful and friendly. Making a maquette (scale model) can be helpful when making a model, in this instance clay or plasticine are your allies. Another plan to have when the project gets too much is to have multiple projects on the go at the same time so you can swap to another when you are getting overwhelmed this has helped me so much.
You are spot on Howard. I didnt even know wood carving clubs were a thing. Thank you. Great recommendation. You mention multiple projects. This is my survival technique. As someone with an ADHD personality it is a must to have a few things going on at once. Saves me a lot of tension in the workshop.
Wonderful video! From A to Z…
As a guy who‘s struggling with mental health problems every day, I can relate very much. Although I am quite respected in my field of work, I always have a tendency towards imposter syndrome… mixed with depression… you see where this is going…
Thank you for such an empowering video. Keep up your wonderful work and your unique style!
Thank you for sharing. Honestly.
First, and in my opinion most important, congratulations on being honest about your struggles. It's not easy to do, but you will never resolve a problem that you fail to acknowledge.
Second, I love that you are trying something outside of your comfort zone. I have many projects that I thought would turn out amazing, and either we're not what I hoped they would be or I simply didn't enjoy. I allow myself just to abandon it and call it a lesson learned.
Finally, I think the final result is beautiful. I am sure your wife loves it, and, assuming she saw the video, appreciates even more knowing the challenges you had to overcome in making it.
Thanks for the video!
Thank you Jeff. You are spot on. Acknowledging it has to come first. My wife has had the gift but is yet to watch the video. Thats ok, makes the message more of a surprise.
THIS. I hope you don't mind that I put this video into my writer's group also, because I find that crafting a novel is exceptionally similar, mentally, to crafting a wood piece. The only difference is that I've published novels, but I haven't ever had the guts to sell a woodworking project. Well, once, but I regretted it instantly even though they loved it.
Not at all. It's a cross over that I know a little about. I spent months over lock down writing a novel only to finish and just leave it on my laptop for nobody to read. I was and still am utterly terrified to allow anyone to tell me that it is rubbish. I mean, dont get me wrong, I'm no writer, not by a long shot, so it is pretty amateur, if not lower but people are never as unkind as we fear they may be. Anyway, of course you can share the video. If it helps one person, as I said, then it's done its job. And for what it's worth, congratulation on publishing a novel, from what little I know, that is no mean feat. In fact it's pretty huge. As for the selling of your woodwork, I dont have the answer but I hope you still enjoy the process of making it. Thank you so much for sharing.
Some people do share their mistakes and problems they encountered on attempting a project and it is well appreciated. Another thing share is the actual time it took verses the edited video version to give people confidence that is actually does take two hours vs. the 10 minutes on TH-cam to build.
Thank you Scott. Much appreciated.
So…the piece is beautiful and super cool. The issues with your outlook and mental health are also very sincere and well described. Our world has changed a lot and depth of friendships and being open to being vulnerable to speak to someone about problems is a good change. Keep on making stuff, it’s inspirational.
Well said Michael. The world has changed and I for one am very glad. thank you for your comment.
Brilliant build Mark as always and I don't think you realise how better you just made a lot of people lives just by talking about it THANKYOU
That really means a lot David. Thank you.
As someone who has been in and out of therapy for most of the last six years I just wanted to say thank you for your honesty. It does help others.
During those six years I was also assessed as autistic.
I am putting together a workshop but it is hard for me to create a safe usable space because it depends on some very subtle things such as lighting and floor texture and space around the workbench but I have about 25m² to work with and it's getting there.
Whatever you or anyone else thinks of your work the fact that you keep plugging away is an inspiration in itself. But the work is good as well so it's a win win. 👍👏
Thank you so much for sharing. I have to say your space is similar in size to mine. a little larger but overall a really good space. And thank you for the kind words.
“It’s a British thing…” very funny hahahahehehe. The actual mark of a true artist is to create a thing no one else has ever seen. I have never seen anything like this, you sir are an artist! Excellent vid and insightful commentary. Enjoyed it.
Thats very kind bud. And I really do appreciate it.
I'm always fascinated and encouraged by your videos. I know you put a lot of time and effort into your builds, and I am glad to see that I am not the only one who second-guesses the process and outcome. Thanks for being so real and honest with this process. I think the piece looks great. I have done a bit of carving in the last few years - mostly of the Scandinavian Flat-Plane style. I was initially inspired by my late father and brother's work, and I wanted to keep this art-form alive in my family after their passing. I had a couple classes with one of the carvers from Silver Dollar City near Branson, Missouri, then joined a carving club locally. Thanks again!
Hi Kendall. I hope you are well and the boomerangs are keeping you busy. You are so lucky to have a club locally. They are indispensable. And well done for keeping a skill going. Brilliant.
Hi Mark, I think it is a brilliant piece. You have nothing to apologise for to anyone about it. What you have is something to be proud of and to show off to people. Keep enjoying what are are doing and keep doing what WE ALL enjoy watching do (if that makes sense🤔?). Stewart.
That dies make sense Stewart and I really appreciate you for saying it. Thank you.
Beautiful work, and what you have said is so relatable. For what it is worth my advice to any new craftsperson is to enjoy the process of designing and making, find someone who can teach you, don't be afraid to learn and try new/difficult techniques, and expect to make mistakes (you'll learn how to address most mistakes without having to perfect your aim at the scrap bin). Amish quilters always included a deliberate mistake to acknowledge that they were not perfect makers, but the majority of us will not reach that level of craftsmanship - mistakes will happen organically. I have made more than my fair share of accidental mistakes (and designs that missed the mark), and I do not honestly believe that any one of my creations is flawless, but I am proud of my work nonetheless. And finally, keep your very first project - you can always look back on it to see how far you have advanced in your journey. I hope this helps someone out there!
That is some incredibly sound advice. Thank you so much for sharing. I hope that many people get to read it.
Actually refreshing to hear someone talk about things most don’t. Great video. Great piece . Hope your wife enjoys it .
Thank you very much. See finally found the message yesterday.
It’s easy to watch content makers and with the power of editing believe everything went perfectly. So to see someone admit their struggles both with their skill levels and how that makes them feel is so very helpful. A brave video and must of taken some soul searching to be so open, thank you I found it very helpful.
It was not easy mentally but reading the comments and getting so much positive feedback from people sharing their own stories is brilliant. Thank you,
Hey Mark, been subscribed for a long time under this one and Phil Kirkham (I was the the one who asked why you needed planning permission for a shed). Anyway, I started woodworking about 3 years ago because I had what can only be described as a "break down", I'm desperate to start a woodworking channel and currently playing about. But I just want to say this was another push/boost/inspiration so thanks pal. Really appreciate it.
Hi bud, for what it's worth I have subbed and am about to watch a video. It is the very least I can do. If you want any bad advice dont hesitate to ask lol. One thing I would say is dont put pressure on yourself through the channel. Hard to explain. but I started the channel with no expectations and it was fun. As soon as you put an expectation on how many views will make you happy the fun starts to wane. And please dont ever take a comment to heart. Thats it. I cant wait to see how much fun you have doing it and I hope it helps with the woodworking. But there is no rush to upload or even to make a video. When it is right, it is right. And well done. you have a channel.
Ah, anxiety. Too many of us don’t admit when it raises up in us, and even more of us never address it. Good on you for admitting/owning it and addressing it. I love the piece, and I love that you poured yourself into it. Cheers from Texas.
Thanks Gary. Always appreciated.
You know I just finished a wood project which took me 10 months to complete from when I first saw it on Pinterest. I had to design it, build and assemble it. It is an articulated bench lamp. I didn’t have the necessary tools, I had to modify mug drill press to make the wooden knobs etc. and watch many videos to learn the best method or jig I needed to make. (This was to mitigate having to spend money on tools by being creative.) While it gave me tremendous satisfaction to go from a photo to a finished product I encountered all of what you described herein. I also arrived at the conclusion you did, which is a 20 minute vid must take many hours to distill properly. Wife said I should start my own utube channel but I said nothing doing. I don’t have the patience for it. Thx for the vid tho.
I love that process. I have always tried to make jigs and convert tools rather than buy., Its not always possible but it is fun to try. I am sorry to hear that you encountered the same struggles I did. It's certainly not ideal. Honestly patience is one of my biggest weaknesses. I seem ok to make videos but tell me a project will take 10 months and I would struggle. Thank you for sharing bud. Much appreciated.
I carve for family and friends, and I understand the anxiety you felt, the decision of where to draw the line on finishing things never seems to go away. I sometimes fail to deliver on an item but I usually make surprise items so that the recipient doesn't know if I've failed! Nothing is every good enough when I draw the line but the thing is that nobody sees the flaws I may think are obvious. I also have the ghosts of past projects that haunt me from time to time.
Oh my goodness, the ghosts. I totally get this. Thank you.
BetterHelp has had some controversies, but I wholeheartedly commend you for openly talking about mental health. Thanks, and cheers! 🍻
Thats really kind. Thank you.
Just getting back into woodworking as a hobby , the worst thing a man can say is ' I'm fine' when asked how we are I've been doing it for over 20+ years, thanks to you and your words I'm going to do something about it so thank you so much. Time for me to make things and do some healing at the same time 🙏
You are spot on. Ive done it way too many times too. Thank you .
The piece looks fantastic - it really is worth the effort and time that you put into it! Keep looking after yourself too, because you are definitely worth more than any piece of wood! Congratulations for finishing and I hope that you become prouder of the piece each time you look at it or walk past!
Thank you so much. I really appreciate the comment.
Thank you for making this video! I feel that same anxiety you talk about. As a beginner (which I have been for 2+ years), I still struggle with the most basic woodworking tasks. I have mastered the part of woodworking that involves staring at the wood and scratching my head. :) Anyways, good to know I'm not the only one.
Thank you for sharing. As someone who has just spent around 3 hours yesterday scratching my head in the workshop I can safely say now I have a plan. Or do I?
Hi Mark.
I’ve always been a fan of having a podcast or a book in my ear whilst woodworking (although I need silence when measuring). I would put music on but as all music is a refined form of noise to my ears, I’ll stick with the spoken word ;)
It really does make the shed my chill out space, even if the project isn’t going so well (for ‘if’ read ‘when’). Ultimately, it’s a bit of wood and each mistake a learning opportunity. If we could take that approach into life, we would be doing well.
Well done on the carving. I can whittle a stick but I’m more about bashing things together rather than carving apart. I totally forgot about the up/down joining method. I’m currently making larger panels so this will help a lot.
Keep up the good work.
Hi Roger. Hope you are doing well bud. Podcasts might end up being my go to aswell. My music taste is not great. You are right too bringing the approach into many areas of life would certainly be an improvement. We are all way too hard on ourselves in so many ways. Good luck with the panel glue ups. Take care. And thank you,
Hi Mark, Great video and I totally get your message about anxiety, mental health and exercisng self-kindness ('cheering ourselves all the way' is a really simple clear analogy...I'll hold that in my mind). This video has also made me realise how much I don't attempt because the results will be harshly criticised (by me... Yeah it's stupid!).
When I started woodworking about 5 years ago I had minimal tools and minimal money, but I did have engineering skills from an apprenticeship in my teens, so I chose the route of restoric antique tools. Progress was slow as I was also lacking decent metal working tools, so I had to collect and restore those before I could restore my woodworking tools, but eventually I had a fairly complete set of servicable woodworking tools.
So what did I make with them? A couple of not very good picture frames, some deliberately 'rustic' scaffold board shelves and some whittled spoons and ornaments. My shakey results turned my attention back towards those 'servicable' tools. I watched more TH-cam restoration videos, read lots of specialist books and then refined my entire tool collection from servicable to tools I'm really proud of. Bench plane and specialist plane restoration has been a particular obsession which has gone through many iterations until I am getting the tearout free gossamer thin shavings that I always dreampt of.
So what did I make with them? Nothing! I start planning simple projects, convince myself I'll fail and stop. I sit in my house beating myself up that I'm not in the workshop and pile on the anxieties. Eventually I acquire another old tool or discover another restoration refinement, and have a flurry of activity, plan out an actual woodworking project... and stop again!
I'm not asking for advice here "Just start making!" of course! No this comment is to say 'It's not just you' both to you Mark, and to other watchers who experience similar issues.
The really dumb thing is that on the very rare occassions that I do make something, the results are actually pretty good to my eyes, so all the anxiety is all the more crazy!
But yeah... It helps to talk👍
Wow, you described a day in my life. We are two peas in a pod bud. You have taken a deeper dive into the tools than me but for the reasons that I dived into shop projects rather than saleable items. But I imagine, like me, you have really enjoyed doing it. And in truth that is probably more important. No advice to give because Im not in a position to know. But I will say thank you for sharing. That definitely helps me and Im sure others. Appreciate it.,
Thank you very much. I am fairly new to woodworking and do find myself getting stressed at times. I will be much kinder to myself from now on.
That sums up what I try to do, be kind to yourself. Thats it.
Thank you for putting this out there. I started talking care of my mental health about 2 years ago. It is amazing how much little changes make a big difference. The journey is definitely a marathon though. Keep up the great work!
Nothing but positive thoughts!!
Tom
I can imagine that there is no quick fix. That I why I want to get started now. little by little. Thank you for sharing.
When you mentioned all future sanding would be accompanied by music, why did Moby come to mind :)
Well done for persevering through the feelings that you were cocking it up. Only practical advice I'd suggest is an angle grinder with a wood carving disk - they would have cut the initial carving down to an hour or so.
Moby, I get that a fair bit. also Phil Collins and Jimmy Summerville. Not to mention right said Fred. I think Moby is my favourite comparison. I see an angle grinder in my future. I have just upgraded my sander for the next project. Fingers crossed. Thank you.
Great video Mark! I think it turned out beautiful. Sanding and mowing with podcasts is my jam!
Thank you Bryan. I appreciate that. Podcasts are about to be introduced to my flow.
Great build Mark.
I get anxious making things for others, on glue ups and when sanding to mention just a few things. I also get anxious when I’m making and posting videos. Bit something makes me keep wanting to do it. Thanks for speaking up about this and sharing. So many only show the good parts and not the bits that are not quite as good, so thank you for sharing.
And thank you for sharing. I honestly hate the 3 days after posting a video. So much pressure. Yet, like you I still want to make more.
As makers we all face the same problem, whether we're John Malecki, James Wright, or some long dead painter... we are own worst critics and it builds over time because we are constantly trying to improve what we're doing in hopes that someone will like it. Then... when we don't get the amount of praise we're looking for, we become even harder on ourselves. Building for friends and family makes it infinitely worse because we're often "haunted" by what we make, seeing it from day to day wondering... "What if I did this?" or "What if I did that differently?". Putting ourselves out there for others to watch as we make mistake after mistake, trying to reach some level of perfection and/or satisfaction... the struggle is real and not everyone understands that.
The best piece of advice I've heard yet is to just keep doing it, keep moving forward, don't stop and don't let anything get in your way. You're doing what you want for a reason, keep doing it.
I love the words. Thank you. The haunting rings so true and was actually a large section of what didnt make the video. Love the advice too. Thank you so much.
Loved the brutal honesty.
I have lived most of your feelings.
Thank you.
First of all absolutely beautiful carve , I use a dremel with router base attachment on carvings to hog out most of the material leaving room to make curves or round areas with my chisels and files , sanders ECT , But great video and i haven't done a carving in years but i think you have inspired me to do one soon. Thank you
Thank you very much. I would love a Dremel. It has to be on my list for this year. It looks like a really versatile bit of kit. Messy though I bet. But what carving isnt.
Hi Mark!! I feel you explaining how the brain works!! You'd be surprised on how many of us go through what you are going through. I've been watching your videos and a long time and definitely love what you do!!! I used to hold myself back then decided i just needed to open up and let my fears go away!!! Peace Brother
Well done Vincent. I need to take a leaf from your book bud. Thank you
Dearest Mark,
You are always so honest and humble but you are now way beyond beginner you have become a woodworker. You have a case of imposter syndrome which plagues successful people who cannot believe they are worthy of success. You are. Keep up the videos and thank you for all of the very hard work
Thank you Lynne, Such a kind comment. I really appreciate it.
I'm fairly new to your channel. Ive suffered from Depression and Anxiety for years (some of those years without really knowing it). In 2018 I finally went to see a counsellor who taught me some techniques that have helped me to manage my mental health since then. Its not a magic cure and I have to put in the work to help myself. I do projects like woodworking to help me avoid having the negative thoughts. I would never have the patience to use hand tools so I always use power tools where possible. Your artwork looks fantastic to me.
Wow, thank you for sharing. I am glad that woodworking works for you and that you know how to manage everything. I do know what you mean about hand tools. Some days I love them and then there are other days lol.
I am a fairly new subscriber. 78 yo and in the USA. When I subscribed I did so only because I thought you were Phil Collins.
I found the underlying message in the video to be mesmerizing thought provoking and intriguing. Indeed I, along with other woodworkers , have had some of the thoughts you have articulated. I do not make any projects for money and only on occasion do I make a gift for a friend. Either way I was born with a gene that makes me obsess. For me, obsession, really causes stress and I think limits my ability to try new things and really enjoy woodworking.
I think the box lid insert is a work of art.
Thanks.
Lol, thank you William. Shame I cant play the drums or sing like the legend. Obsession may be the part of me that hinders me the most. It can be a double edged sword. Some days it is my super power. And stress, what a waste of time that is utterly unavoidable. It is helpful to hear that it is not just me. Seems from the comments that we are not alone. Thank you for the kind comment and I am happy to hear you like the box lid. Genuinely.
I am glad I came across this video, it is very true... Woodworking is skill and planning... the planning just adds anxiety than the build itself. I took on a project recently and just stressed myself out only to get basic feedback for the hard work and dedication put into the project... the fear we get along with the love for woodwork is a challenge itself. I have sold a lot of my work to clients and also outside of friends and family! Honestly, sales aside just appreciation of the hard work is appreciated... I love your channel and really glad you shared your views!
Thank you too for sharing.
Not just British - we Swiss are so humble we can't take any compliment at all. When COVID started I had to do something because having 4 kids at home all the time started to get to me and so I started to run (4 marathons so far) which is best therapy for me and it's mostly free.
Wow, thats impressive. Well done.
A masterpiece, Mark. Artwork of this calibre forced you beyond your previous limits and thank you for sharing your struggle. Your perseverence is beautiful.
I find as a very novice woodworker that the image i carry in my mind of the finished piece i'm making is difficult to achieve in reality, especially with limited tools. However, it forces me to try diffent things, to innovate, adapt and mistakes often lead to creative solutions.
Luckily, as a hobbyist, i dont have the pressures that professional woodworkers have, of meeting customer expectations within a limited timefarame. I'd probably be a better woodworker if i had those pressures, but i dont need the stress. I'm content to putter around in the shop.
Thank you Barbara, What a lovely way of phrasing it. The balance between pressure / success and stress is such a fine line. Some days all I can do is putter and they are some of the most enjoyable.
Thanks Mark. Take care & stay safe.
Thank you so much Doug. I really appreciate it.
What an amazing video, great build and really shows the highs and lows of the hobby that we enjoy and the strain that it takes on us mentally
Thank you very much.
one thing ive often done to get a real nice 90 edge joint with hand plane without an attached fence is hang the workpiece off the edge of a thin board (like 1/4 mdf or something is fine) and then i will ride the plane on its side along the benchtop. kind of like a big shooting board but without having to worry about the back fence at perfect 90, and hanging the workpiecd edge well over the mdf edge. works great especially if you get reasonably close first so you dont need a million sideways passes. basically using the workbench as a fence.
This sounds like an incredibly sensible tip. I will give it a go tomorrow when I get out to the workshop. Thank you.
Hi Mark Michael pointed me in the direction of your channel 😊 The project turned out great and i totally understand the stress and anxieties that go into making custom projects for people. My advice is only make item's your truly comfortable with and confident in the outcome. For example i used to make furniture for some clients out of scaffolding boards however i soon stopped as Spruce is not a reliable material to build furniture now i tell them no and my reasons straight away. I have had many sleepless nights stressing about builds. Its great highlight these feelings so people realise its not just them that feel that way, we can then share advice and help eachother. Well done on the build i honestly thought it looked great.
Not just as creators I've had few sleepless nights over projects aswell although probably not to the extent of you guys far more talented than myself 👍🏴
Dont do yourself down like that Michael. Pretty sure there is nothing I can build that you couldn't if you put your mind to it.
Hi Karl. I dont comment as much as I should but I do enjoy it when you release a video. Ive watched since lock down. Great advice too. Thank you.
@@startmaking1 thanks mate means allot 👍🏴
You just inspired me to try something like that in a smaller scale, I just hope I have your patience. Good job and looks really good.
Not trying to get a view but if you watch the video linked at the end it shows the box, really good starting point. Got me hooked.
Lovely piece of carving for your wife . We can be our own worst critics . It's good to talk and music while you work is no bad thing . As soon as I enter my workshop, the radio is on , if only for background noise.
You are doing fine , so entertaining and educational. Keep it up
Thank you Simon. I really appreciate it. Radio may just be my next French cleat project.
Dude,
Fantastic recreation of the box and a really worthwhile message. Stay happy bro.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Stay Happy too bud.
I rarely comment on TH-cam videos but this one has compelled me to do so. Thank you for articulating the struggles you’ve experienced so well. I continue to face the same struggles that have been increased more over recent years and have found it difficult to describe to those closest to me.
This has permeated throughout so many parts of my life and none of it has to do with woodworking.
I can’t thank you enough for making this video as it will be something I shall be sharing to help explain my struggles.
Take care as I shall continue to be an avid follower.
Wow Angus, thank you for sharing. I am so glad that the narrative has proved useful. Take care bud.
Great video Mark Thank you for your honesty and sharing your struggles with you anxiety and more then anything for being willing to talk about it. It shows us all that it’s ok to not be ok and to ask for help I have struggled with a head injury and chronic headaches and pain every day for years but people look at me and think that there’s nothing wrong with me because I’m a big guy and they can’t see anything wrong so I get a lot of just deal with it and in turn I have for years and as I’ve gotten older I’ve learned to not be scared to talk about it and ask for help. So Thank you for sharing your experience. I want you to know that you have become my favorite woodworker on TH-cam you are an amazing person and craftsmen my friend and you make amazing things. Your wife is so lucky to be able to show off your amazing work in her kitchen to all her friends and family. Thanks again for sharing keep up the amazing work and videos I Thank you for what you do it’s gave me the confidence to start woodworking myself.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Wow Jim, you are really kind. I am sorry to hear that you too have struggled through with your pain. I get the big guy thing. Not first hand but you see it happen far too often. People struggle to understand what they cant see. I cant even imagine the effect of struggling through the pain every day. But society has told us that this is what we should do. I am glad it is slowly changing. Thank you for sharing. I really appreciate it.
"Only Gods make perfection". I would love to have that art work in my house and what you have created is art. Something made through love, though maybe imperfect, is far better than perfection made without care.
Great quote. Great comment throughout in fact. Brilliant.
I think it came out great! Regarding the wood grain and overall pattern (bare in mind I am NOT a woodcarver), I would have played to the pattern of the wood and made the circular portion of the carving in the circular part of the grain and had the rays expanding out through the rest of the straight grain. Would it have worked? Dunno. But that's what I would have done. Hard to really critique your piece when I don't know what I am talking about... but from my untrained eye, I think it looks fantastic. We are all our own harshest critics, but you should be immensely proud of this piece. Good on you for being brave and taking it on!
I think that I agree with you. Would it have worked, dunno, love that. I feel that way about most builds lol. And thank you.
Wow what a beautiful work of art! Thank you for talking us through your thoughts as you worked through the process. Bravo!
That is really kind, thank you.
I know what you mean with the fear to sell, I've had some movement before but was able to fix the problem in later designs. With what you know now I'm sure you could sell with confidence. Lovely piece btw!
Thank you. Not sure I have the confidence but I do have an idea of how I can test it. We will see. Thank you.
I like that, and thank you for the honesty. 👍
Thank you so much Paul. I really appreciate it.
Mark, you have worked so hard on that piece & all the hard work has paid off it's beautiful your wife will be very pleased I know what you mean I do woodturning but I'm told I should sell them but I won't I think that the people might like them
Regards
Steve UK London
Thank you Steve. Just from this comment section I realise now how common this is.
Hi Mark,
I feel your pain with the difficulty of smoothing out the bumpy finish. I make carved rocking horses and it is a long and laborious process in getting an acceptable surface finish. As my horses are mainly painted this seems to magnify any imperfections and can be very frustrating. Like you i am very critical of my own work, definitely a brit thing! Thanks, Andrew
Wow, I didnt think about that. Paint leaves nowhere to hide. That would have been the end of this lol. Thank you.
Beautiful work, I hope your wife loves it- and discovers your message on its back!
Self-doubt is a killer. Well done overcoming it this time! May next time be even easier for you.
Thank you Robert. She is yet to ask to see it so it will be fun to see how long it takes.
I recently subscribed and have been interested in your take and honestly. Today I was not expecting you sharing your angst about what people thought about your work. I'm a handymen and I do all aspects of woodwork, garden, landscape, basic plastering plumbing and electric along with alsorts of simple jobs. I'm in folks homes and always attempt to do a great job. The angst is always there wondering if my work is good enough. I get great feedback but it's my standards that I'm always critically assessing. Having an imposter syndrome always floating around with the worry of being found out.
Thank you Owen. And thank you for sharing. I envy your diversity of skills.
As someone who enjoys making imperfect things from knotty would, I'd suggest that you use the round grain section as your focal point
Now that would have been really smart. Thank you. Great suggestion.
Mate, the piece looks amazing. Can totally empathise with the self pressure on your own projects. Something I can work on for myself for sure. Thanks for sharing and go easy on yourself. Your work is great.
Thank you very much.
Really beautiful panel, well done! Quite an inspiration.
Thank you Mike.
Hey Mark.....being a long time follower I would say your skills have risen exponetially...... I understand that each video takes a lot of time to film,edit and upload. Thank you for your efforts.
Hi Adam. Thats really kind to say. I appreciate it. Genuinely.
Looks really good!! If I get frustrated I walk away, go back to it when I'm in a better frame of mind!! I have to phone a friend if I want to talk about things. Her indoors doesn't humour me by just listening. She says she doesn't want to know because she doesn't understand!!
Very smart move. Take some space. I tend to leave that decision a little too late but I am learning. And finding someone to listen is brave and well done. Thank you for sharing.
I deal with the stress by telling myself that whatever I create, I did it to the best of my current ability, I don't sell my stuff, but my latest project is a wedding arch in oak for my daughter..no pressure at all, just around 80 new in-laws and my wife/daughters as judges..
Wow, what a cool project. But I get the stress. Though I think you have a good way of coping. Thank you for sharing it.
Mark, it turned out great. I wouldn't go near carving, so well done. We all stress ourselves about our mistakes and the imperfections of a build. Ive had family say "you must be delighted" and Im fretting about some minor detail. At the end of the day its a hobby to me, so its pointless unless I enjoy it. But it can be hard work sometimes. Thanks for such an honest video. Im sure it resonates with us all.
Thank you James. I like the idea that it is pointless unless you enjoy it. I strive to find the joy in it wherever I can. It helps me to push through the other stuff. I appreciate the comment.
By the way, Mark, that you made those chessboards in the little shed with no electricity, is remarkable. Take pride in all your achievements, which are many.
Wow what a beautiful piece. Thankyou too for the thought provoking words, will certainly aim to do better at that.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and to comment. I appreciate it.
@@startmaking1 absolute pleasure as always
A wonderful present for your wife Mark and a lovely video with a powerful message. Nice. I did chuckle at the bit at the beginning about a 20 minute video taking hours - if only they knew!
They will never truly know. Or maybe they will. Or some will. lol. I dont know. But it is damn hard work. Fun though. Looking forward to seeing what else you can cram into the shed bud.
Thank you for your courage and honesty 🙏
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Came up great! Well done on soldiering through the pressure.
Thank you very much.
Cheers to you. Never forget to give yourself credit. You have had the vision and courage to be this type of creator. Your subtle smile at 18:07 says everything. True joy of creation.
Smile of relief as much as anything . I didnt have a plan B, just more sanding. Thankyou.
So much truth in this! I've been recording everything I make and do in the workshop. But... nothing is perfect enough! One thing I've managed to do though, is stop pointing out the mistakes/areas that you think aren't perfect. And then yes, apologising to people that the piece is actually nice... Weird things we do over here.
I've made some sales and even had some repeat customers via a well known craft website which is a big boost and confirms the pieces are acceptable. As well as some in person sales for work colleagues and family members. Although the family members seem to think that wood is free, like it grows on trees or something!
One of the other things I have come to realise is we are a very small percentage of people that are able to do these things and make/build things that others can't or won't even try to. I'll keep working towards releasing a video, but the talking aspect is something I am not going to be able to do. I feel I will have to be a non verbal, music only type channel, there's too much talking in the world as is! Like you the woodworking is my escape and my safe space. Was supposed to have a day off work today to recover from a strongman competition yesterday... I've now got 4 new oak endgrain chopping boards in stock to sell!! Any excuse to be out there!
Well done on the sales bud. Thats brilliant. Wood grows on trees lol. I totally get that. I can relate to rest days becoming build days, less so with the strong man stuff. Like wow, thats really cool. Nothing wrong with non verbal videos. The right music / ASMR and they can be hypnotic and very addictive. Thankyou for sharing.
I love what sapele is and does, and I use it a lot because of the character and how much you can count on face/edge chatoyance when it's oiled. It's a lovely material.
It is a stunning wood. And in the UK it seems to be the better priced of the dark woods. Unless I haven't found one better.
@@startmaking1 I've switched away from walnut here in the mid-atlantic USA unless a client is a stickler for it. I use cherry and sapele more than anything at this point. They're a third of the cost of walnut.
I love the honesty, love the reality, the truth behind all your video’s, it’s inspired me to build my own ‘safe’ space. Everything you said, it is me. Keep going so I might succeed.
Thank you for sharing David. I appreciate it and having a safe space is so important. Well done.
Mark this was a great video. I love to hear that TH-camrs also suffer from over thinking a project. It’s always good to put it down and come back the next day. I watched it all. Thank you
This is very true. Taking the break from the build was genuine and well needed. Appreciate you watching.
G'day from your almost Anglo-Australian cousin! I'm nearly in tears after watching all of this video, which I think is one of your best videos too. I feel the same pain of stress and anxiety and it's worse for me (and other women) because I am a female in a man's world. Anyway, I'm cheering you on! Don't give up. I heard a saying last year or earlier this year, 'I've learnt so much from my mistakes, that I plan to make some more!' It's now my favourite saying. I get the British, thing, but I don't think you have any reason to apologise to people who see that wonderful project in your kitchen. But maybe you can apologise to yourself for being too hard on yourself, eh? Give yourself a hug, be your own best friend because you are with yourself 24/7. Being your own enemy is the mental hell that too many of us go through. I have several projects going that can swap to, back and forth, of varying physical intensity because some of them are so punishing on my body and that also breaks some of the anxiety and makes my woodworking and woodturning more fun! You're doing great. Stay strong, cousin! Keep talking and creating.
G'Day bud. Firstly thank you. And I will never understand fully but it makes sense to me that it is worse for you. What a lovely comment, really kind. Thank you. Multiple projects for the win. I have to operate like that. It's the only way. That and making mistakes lol.
@@startmaking1 You're very welcome. The other day I took some time out from woodwork and made my first beeswax candle for 2024! That took me back to my days in Girl Guides when I first made a candle. 😆 Yesterday and today I started working on some push sticks, one of them will be your fantastic router push stick. Thanks again. Keep your chin up!
Great work and perseverance on that piece! I'm sure that Mrs Start Making will love it!
Thank you. You are the first person to call her that. I hear other channels doing it and wonder if I should . She will love it or hate it. The name that is. I appreciate the kind comment too bud.
Hey Mark, best video yet, thank you for your honesty, stay lucky and keep 'em coming, I think you do more for the woodworking community than you realise, thanks again.
As always you are a gent Paul. Thank you very much.
I was so happy to see the notification for this video this morning! You did NOT disappoint! Awesome video! I hope your wife finds the message. ❤
Very interesting choice for how to attach the border. I like it! And the spray lacquer was the perfect choice!
She hasnt yet but thats ok, She will watch the video eventually. I hope. Yeah, the border was through the fear of wood movement. I just hope it holds. the main Sapele panel is what I have attached the brackets too so the frame doesnt carry weight. Should be ok. I really considered all finishes here and in truth the only reason I finally went for lacquer is because you can go back. Changing it means just a quick sand and then applying an alternative. Hard to do that after oil I think. Anyway, Im overall happy now I have had time to look at it. Thank you
First video I've seen from you, finished piece is outstanding and love the frank discussions of process. We are too often given rose tinted views through curated posts, nice to know we are all human. Hope your wife enjoys the piece!
So glad this one has 450 comments already! Really appreciated this video. Some early woodworking projects (not long ago) I was so scared of failing on them that it was hard to continue. Eventually I had to tell myself the only real failure was not trying - then I couldn't succeed. May sound cliché but surprisingly worked for me.
I also hold myself to high standards (as you clearly do) and it was great to see you address this. Cheers!
Only word to describe this project. Beautiful.
Thats really kind thank you
Good video fella.
I struggle with the same stuff, plus the ones related stuff so I’m always trying to live in the moment, and do one thing at a time rather than overwhelming myself. Figuring stuff out during a project is brilliant, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but it’s way more interesting than working to plans, and it helps me cope.
That being said I’ve tried doing something today that I won’t know if it worked until tomorrow - when I may or may not be able to walk enough to get to the workshop lol
Hey Dean. I bet it is the door you are talking about. thank you for reaching out. And for sharing and being open. You are far more open that even I am and it is brilliant for the woodworking community. to tell you a secret, I have been watching you over do it for the past few months and this is not a criticism as we are 2 peas in a pod. Due to health stuff and energy deficit I am supposed to pace myself but, like you, I would rather enjoy the build today and pay it back with 2 days of bed than pace and do a little each day. You have done an amazing job to get the workshop to where it is today and to plough through some backlogged reviews. I know it is not easy and in all honesty there are few who totally understand but you are a revelation bud, a real inspiration. Sorry if this got deep, fast. Take it easy. Or don't, lol, you do you.
@@startmaking1 I’ve always said it isn’t the illness or challenges that define you, it’s how you deal with them that speaks to your character.
I try to be open and honest without annoying people with complaints - although my wife would disagree lol
Keep up the good work fella 👍
@WoodworkJourney very nice turn of phrase Dean. Looking forward to your next installment. Take care
Looks brilliant, I love it and sure your wife will too.
I love the notion of 'sawdust therapy', having not found it particularly easy coping when my son was born, and the lack of 'me time' that followed, I was very glad to get back into my own little garage/workshop and start making things when his sleep pattern improved, and I feel much better for it.
Hi Ollie. I get it. I struggled in a similar way when my kids were born. Everything gets turned on its head. Blinkers are put on and 'me time' becomes 'them time'. With no regrets but it isnt easy. I am glad you made your way back to the workshop. Great work.
Good morning Mark. It’s nice to know I’m not alone agonising over projects as I always point out my mistakes, even if it means going underneath the project to do so. I admire not only your honesty but your talent and perseverance producing a beautiful work of art. Do you intend to go to the Harrogate show? If so, I’ll be there on Sunday and it would be nice to meet in person 🌞
Hi Ray. I would have loved to go to the harrogate show but as my full time job is based around winter holidays, November is one of my busiest times. That said, if this TH-cam stuff ever turns into a full time gig, I would definitely go to all of the shows. And meeting in person with yourself and other supporters of the channel would be lovely.
@@startmaking1 Hi Mark. Thank you for getting back to me so promptly. I have also attended Makers Central so if you find you can make any show, please let me know. All the best 🌞