Tory MP schooled by economists over ridiculous line of questioning at Select Committee
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- Andrea Leadsom got absolutely rinsed by four economists at the Treasury Select Committee.
Asking a hypothetical, loaded question to a panel of experts who only deal in absolutes is never a good idea, as she quickly found out.
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She's thicker than I thought.. Also, accuses Thorsten of giving 'long' answers when she has done most of the talking. Cognitive dissonance.
"Conservative Dissonance" my opinion is more valuable than yours, even if you are an expert.
Over a decade of austerity, unelected PM after unelected PM, now we have one twice as rich as the king, people are choosing between food & heating, food banks out the wahzoo but new parents need to drop the kid like a hot potato & go earn in a race to the bottom environment?!? Got a disability "yawn". These people are disgusting.
@@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347 2 million people on long term sick in the UK - you cant have everyone in work if you destroy the NHS.
A friend of my sisters had had a bad back for months, needed a scan, it got so bad her company paid for a private scan - she has a fractured vertebrae. They immediately strapped her to a board before putting her in a back brace. It could have been picked up 6 months ago with an xray, that is the state of the UK.
@@piccalillipit9211 Exactly. It's a continuation of her fellow brexiter Gove's 'We don't need any experts,' mantra.
@@stangovender3626 - Its the typical Tory public school education - YOU know best because you are the elite because you go to this school.
She is not asking for opinion; she is asking them to share her opinion.
100% correct.
So blatant about it. They seem almost shocked at how obviously she's trying to lead them
Yep
Her fascist dictatorship opinion! I hate the uk now
@@anthonybell4554 Yes. They ought to stand up for themselves a little more robustly. I would like them to "Andrea" her right back. Allowing themselves to be patronised defeats their very raison d'être.
Asking an incredibly leading and complex question that requires a careful, nuanced answer, but demanding a "Yes or No" to see who's on her side. My god these people are insufferable
She is thick
But if you are asked by a police person forexample,you have to answer yes or no.she asked them for a simple yes or no answer she didn't want any pacdrill just a simple yes or no. People like you do my head in,no wonder this country is in a state when people like you back them all the time🤬
@@kennylambell345 Okay
@@kennylambell345 If you expect a complex question about a subject with multiple influencing factors to have a simple yes or no answer then you're not going to get a useful answer, only one that'll be good as a sound bite. Expecting dead simple answers to complex questions is why the country is in the state that it's in, because simple answers are easier to sell at elections.
I am amazed that these public servants allow themslelves to be railroaded into answering these questions. It's not the job of an economist to make judgements about when a child should be going into daycare.
"Or I've got a disability blah blah blah". This statement tells more about who she is than she wanted it to.
The one thing that politicians will never do..answer with a 'Yes or no', they expect others to abide by. Absolutely crazy, but typical of current Tory MPs.
It was a stupid question
As always with the Tories: they're only rules/laws for everyone else. They get to ignore them.
And none of them, just like politicians did answer Yes/No.....and then we had 15 minutes of 'debate' none of which was yes/no.
@@fritzhenning1 unlike politicians, however, the answers had meaning.
The function of an expert is to provide analysis of the facts and present options for solutions. The function of a politician is to marry those options to the needs of their constituents, and then articulate and advocate to parliament so that they get the best outcome for those constituents (and in theory for the country as a whole).
The problem is that self-interest and the need to serve the will of their aligned political party interferes and takes precedence over their duty to serve the people they are supposed to represent and they spend their time giving non-answers and platitudes to paper over the, otherwise extremely obvious, conflict of interest.
Ikeep asking Putin to send over a nuk to get ride of parliment ,and do it on a Wensday, My god what a load of crap politicens most can not read or write.
Should politicians who lie be sacked, yes or no?
Yes!
Well, it depends on who they are and what rules the parasites have set up for them.
SMH
Added
Like bungling boris should be able to do whatever he likes whenever he likes
@@calicokittenproductions591 No it doesn't...a lie is a lie. Sack 'em.
Sacked? I want them to face jail like Iceland did to all the bankers after Julian Assange exposed Thier corruption.
@@321backlip couldn't agree more
Listening to this you would think people exist to serve the economy rather than the other way round.
Debt servitude and a service economy.. I hope it implodes
there are other sessions with different panels discussing other aspects of this topic
That is exactly what the tories think. And this policy is about work, not about caring for children.
The only reason they want more people working is so they can collect more tax as the money moves around. It's nothing to do with gender equality or education or any other tail they're trying to pin on the donkey.
You hit the nail on the head!
They need slaves to do all the work for them to benefit from.
I've heard Torsten speak many times. Guy has an intelligence level that Leadsom doesn't understand & can only dream of.
Haha leadsom has less intelligence than my last poo
A magnificent display of Leadsom's inability to accept that other people may be more intelligent and informed
Few are dear
She did it with Pascal Lammy, former DG of the WTO.
@davidlewis3201 you spelt 'most' incorrectly there....
@@davidlewis3201 do you support the Tory exploitation of the workers and to take the money from the workers to give to the ruthless rich?
Do you support the Tory laws which allow the ruthless rich to take British money offshore?
Lettuce Liz Truss just crashed the next 2 years of pensions by 25-40% of their value by crashing the bond market.
Liz Truss has made pensioners more likely to lose their homes by doing this.
She is trying to make your granny homeless.
Jeremy Hunt, the current chancellor, is ready to buy more than 7 homes at a time so he can avoid Stamp Duty, like he's done before.
Jeremy is getting ready to buy lots of repossessed homes from evicted grannies, and if he buys at least 7 at a time he won't pay any stamp duty unlike the British people.
Who votes Tory?
Who votes against the British people?
We want our country back from the Ruthless Rich and their Tory enablers.
Ok, to sum it up Leadsom is just not very intelligent.
The first two years are crucial for a child's development it is up to the parents not the government to decide when they go to back to work
Tory MP: “Here is Schrodinger’s Box. Is the cat inside it alive?”
Physicist: “Well, it dep…”
Tory MP: “Excuse me, I just wanted a yes or no.”
🤦🏼♂️
😅
She asks a question, and as soon as she catches on that it’s not the answer she’s looking for she replies with some inane ambiguous drivel
What a toxic person she is!
"Open question... yes or no." Literally the definition of a closed question.
she's ridiculous
They do this in american congressional committees all day it seems to be a time waster at the least or on high end maybe a way to test the person in the seat. IT annoys to all ends, but I enjoy occasionally someone has a good reply (although I'm republican) like maybe a quick answer like 'it's not a yes or no question' but not watching the guys squirm in their seats which they fell for.
Meanwhile over at the Daily Mail “Conservative MP schools leading economists.” This reminds me of the “does the prime minister agree with me” followed by 10 minutes of sucking up in PMQs
"I'm not asking for facts... just give me what I want to hear."
Start: Ask a 'yes, no' question, but don't allow anyone to explain, then draw conclusions about what she thinks people think, then try to force her own opinions..Nice..😥😕😬
Open questions by definition do not have yes/no answers.
@@slacker2101 literally tho "can i ask you an open question, no particular answer ... and can I ask you to answer with a yes or no" like did that really just happen
Andrea is a simple person who needs simple answers from highly qualified professionals to complex questions. How do people like her get employment in the running of a country when her capability would barely stretch to flopping burgers.
Exactly
@@errisgloshfan hahahaha
She asks three separate questions, then asks for a single “yes or no”. Truly she has cottage cheese between her ears
What have you got against cottage cheese?
Rotted cottage cheese
@@yt.personal.identification Haha!
Nah, 'Shit for brains.'
Should cottage cheese mature for a period of 9 hours, nine weeks, or 9 months. What is best for the economy? Yes or no?
And then let me drone on, how sweet the sound of my own voice.
The kicker is at the end, when we're reminded that she is a Dame.
Well it’s certainly a pantomime
Wow, what I’m hearing from Leadsom is “ please tell me that sending parents to work when their children are 9 months old by providing subsidised childcare for all children at that age it will make the children better workers at 18.” So no idea that working class people might want an education, or better jobs than their parents. Also talk about de humanisation
I’m I reading this wrong, but I feel Leadsom is not saying anything bad here. If this childcare package had started April 1st 23 my household will have saved 25k over two years for childcare. My partner was forced back into work because cost of living and childcare cost has nullified those gains. From leadsom perspective they have to sell this package to their base which means some sort of “productivity” outcome over a human aspect. No one else cares about your kids and they don’t wanna pay for it, sad but this is Britain. £5bn isn’t a lot of money for what the economy would get back. My household would be £25k better off which would gives us more spending power. Truth is this government has no actual plan to deliver on this package, it’s a campaign pledge. There’s an election between now and this policy being rolled out and if the Tory’s win they won’t deliver it. How can you announce something in this years budget that doesn’t come into play until 2025. It’s a trap
It’s FUCKING RICH for an MP to demand someone answer ‘yes or no’
Yeah they seem the kind of people who would tell you not to go see dying family and friends while having parties at work.
She's only an MP in name..
I'm so glad TH-cam didn't censor this comment
it almost helps me feel like it's a real world I still live in
It's like opposite day
@@dougclark9921 They weren't parties; it was work with added alcohol, food (not party food!) quizzes, dancing, fornicating, drunken antics, fisticuffs and passing out. Doesn't everybody work like that?
For someone who wants short answers she sure asks some long questions
You do have to laugh at the irony of it, I'm 5 minutes into the video and she's getting on my bloody nerves as all I've heard is her prattling on and on. She seems to want to hear what she want to hear rather than their actual opinion on matters.
I stopped listening to BBC Radio 4 in the morning because Humphreys etc seemed more interested in sound of their own voice with questions that went on forever with dozens of subclauses but demanded a short, sharp, self-incriminating answer... sorry, I can't find a reason for writing an even longer sentence
@@cuebjThe BBC employs too many windbags. Humphreys was the champion of the art. But Huw Edwards is the current flag carrier for those who love the sound of their own voice
@@cuebj Non sequitur. Comparing MPs, who pass laws which effect all our lives, to a radio interviewer is comparing napalm, not chalk, with cheese. Distract, Divert, Dissemble are classic disinformation tactics. I'm interested in triaging your comment. Are those your goals?
Best Wishes. ☮
@@timothysmart8528 I have no issues with your opinion about some radio or TV interviewers.
However, the video is about an MP asking very long questions.
Are you saying that Andrea Leadsom is exactly the same as those two interviewers in her approach to asking questions? Do you feel she has no more impact than those two interviewers, even though as an MP, she has the power to pass or block laws which effect all our lives?
Best Wishes. ☮
One can see all the eyes in the room looking at her thinking " WTF is she on about?!"
She's very embarrassing.
Good Lord...This has to be the most blatant example of working backwards from a conclusion that i've ever seen in my life.
"Try to answer in as few words as you can because i have an awful lot more that i'd like to say."
I am speechless I hope Andrea Leadsom,constituents are all watching this
Dunning-Kruger in full flight. Reminds me of the Republican senators currently in the news at the moment. She complains about the experts giving long answers then asks an epic, meandering question interrupting the experts as soon as they try to answer.
Republikkklan or Tory, no differences, racist anti human scum throughout
She's pushing her Neo-Liberal agenda.
Very fair point.
She asks for yes or no answers after a never ending question and then has the temerity to interrupt them.Always said she was as mad as a hatter.
@@sheilaroddick5853 I have to say I didn't know Andrea Leadsom before this, but she's appears to be a bit surplus.
Disclaimer: I would follow politics more, but as with most, I have more direct priorities (food, money, family, etc.).
This Karen of a Tory is a great example of someone trying to get sound bites, instead of answers.
100%
Yep, came here to say the same thing. And she's my MP. It's sad.
The Tories are just there to protect wealth inequality.
They harness the bigotry of the under-educated to hold onto power.
Someone like Leadsom knows that complexity doesn't wash with the her tabloid reading/gammon voters so avoids it in favour of nasty simplicity.
That was the whole trouble with the brexit referendum, they wanted a yes or no answer to a very complex question and look where that got us.
Let's see what she thinks when she loses her seat at the next General Election.
She is a great example of someone who has the impression that she is clever and well versed in everything without actually being either.
Bring the children into the meeting and ask them if they would rather their Mammy, Daddy or both parents were out working all day while they were looked after by a relative or a stranger. It is obviously better for most children to have the love of their parents, in their early years and indeed, it is also quite a positive experience for many parents to be close to their children in the early years. This is not a Yes or No problem. There are many variables. Create opportunities to stay at home or go to work and incentivise whichever are most beneficial to the children, parents, society and the economy at large.
Her questions are longer than the answers she allows.
"i cant work, im over 50, ive got a disability blah blah blah" well this is gonna be a nuanced discussion on the ethics the social policy
That's the line that got me.
I thought she described herself beautifully there.
An absolutely disgusting woman, who should be controlled by the authorities rather than controlling them.
I'm over 50 and disabled and this is chilling to me. Add Hunt's policy of basically classing all disabled people as fit for work and sanctioning them if they can't find employment.
@@tonycowin I'm Classed as disabled, but have to find work, as I'm told I'm fit for work. Who has the right to dictate my capacity for work placement?
Just because "this" or "that" person has to work...does "he" or "she" have the right to decide my life.
Five minutes in and I’m stunned by how tightly Leadsom is trying to control this discussion. She really doesn’t want to hear any true opinions.
My granddaugther is 3rd generation in the Danish "Day Care PARENT" system.
The Council guarantee day (after a fashion) and to get flexibility, it employs (mostly)women, who live in nice spacious houses with gardens to care for four kids (9m-3y)
The Council ensures the facilities are up to scratch, supplies various equipment, educates the carer, give them a net work of collegues - and pay decent wages.
Day care homes come about like this: The typical carer is just back from parental leave, but don't relly want to go back... So instead set up a day care at home. The Council will not only equip your kid's playroom - they'll pay you to look after your own child. Who again will get 3 playmates visiting every day.
The child is not in some weird institution, but at home - it's just somebody else's. The child meets the same 1 or 2 grown ups, and the same 3 friends every day. They all get to know each other very, very well.
For the parent handing in the kids in the morning isn't much different from dropping them off at Granny's or an aunt. When you pick up, you'll often have a cup of coffee, meet one of the other parent and have a chat at the kitchen table. Danish hygge!
Take care - especially of the future 😉
- and feel free to ask questions 🙂
Yes but that would be too logical, sensible and caring for this island. In Scotland we tend to look towards Scandinavian countries as we see obvious similarities. It's why so many of us look for our independence once and for all from our neighbours down south!
Thanks for sharing anyway though it's refreshing to hear things like that. It gives Scotland hope!
@@i-am-vonnegut We believe, that when Scotland gain her independence, she'll qualify for The Nordic Counsil in no time 🤗
You know, the club for only the very nicest countries 😉😉
Peace and love
Open question...yes or no!?...no wonder our school children are confused.
so she wants parents back to work and to drop their baby on grand parents to care for ( for a modest payment ) - aren't those the same grand parents they also want to go back to work?
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I raised my children alone and help with grandchildren l don't have anyone to look after them while l retrain as something else . Ha
They want to get working class kids into childcare to turn them into small c conservstives (socialised** to be tory, and tourn on their class).
obviously its just to make it easier to force pensioners back into labor by formalising the whole process. Why not just pay the parents though?
My grandparents di Ed before I was born, so do I just have to fend for themselves.
She once actually lectured Pascal Lamy, who for many years was the Director General of the WTO. on how she understood how international trade worked, contrary to his understanding of it.
Yes, i saw that. I had my head in my hands .
She was completely wrong and history shows this
WTO? People admit to that?
@@unclegeemus admit to what?
@@unclegeemus You seem to have forgotten but I remember about 7 years ago that the ERGers and their ilk were all shouting about going to WTO rules.
It’s not hard to do this as Torries are so stupid , but nice to see experts ripping them a new one 👏
This is the perfect example of why these people have sat too long in Westminster for the good that they do
I don't think she has done much that is good.
Tories never do "good", never have never will. They're there to protect wealth inequality.
They harness the bigotry of the under-educated to hold onto power.
What good
Who is taking care of the child at 9 months old?! A child carer, aka not the mother or father? And her first question is, "is it good for the ECONOMOY", instead of "is this good for the child's upbringing, health, and safety"?!
Asks a 5 minute, unbelievably specific question in order to get the answer she wants, 10 seconds later, “here’s what’s wrong with your question”
Happens in America congressional committees too. It's legal she is good at it. To be honest I understand English accents but I can only hear her and not these guys and don't absorb a bit of it with this row of 4 like they are in a rowboat of incoherence, nonetheless economics, especially of the UK
@@unclegeemus she’s not particularly bright. She struggles to efficiently articulate her questions and understand their answers. She’s asking a non-economist his opinion on whether economists should have an opinion on the educational value of stay-at-home mums. What Value is there in that bloody question….
Pestilence over this person ...
@@countfosco8535 Lol did you just arrive from 1350 or something!
Is she thick or what?
So puerile, "Here's a complex and nuanced question, now give me a yes or no answer and I'll misrepresent you if you don't"
This is a vile mentality from a highly paid woman in a sedentary occupation, to hell with these people.
It's a shame that she isn't home looking after grandchildren.
Like deployed 👍
I want to ask an open question then proceeds to ask a closed question wanting a yes/no answer
How did she get a seat on this committee 😅
Fuck knows, but interesting question.
How did she get a job in government? Fiddling her CV helped.
“Being in a job gets you out of the house” sure but there also should be reward for working and not the pittance that is our minimum wage
If the state pays enough to live off without working then things need to change
@@dingopisscreek many jobs don’t pay enough to live off these days. Many salaries are state subsidised. I can look at your point from another angle and say if a business cant afford to pay a living wage then it shouldn’t be operating. Socialism for business seems to be acceptable for some unknown reason.
Yes, slaves on plantations got out of the house too.
This. Tories will do anything to make more people work, except make work provide a decent standard of living
@@darthmonkey74 nice reply , but i dont think you will change his mind ,
"I'd like to ask an open question. And could I ask you to limit your answers to yes or no." Jesus wept.
not much discussion about how good or bad it might be for the 9 month old baby with both parents being absent for most of its waking life
Creates a good breeding ground for sociopaths. Torys want to take working class kids fromntheor parents to turn them onto little nazis
Clearly an act of desperation as she knew letting these people talk for more than 3 seconds would lead to her being humiliated.
What a devious woman. Non of these questions are black and white. She sounds like a bbc interviewer asking inappropriate yes or no questions that don't exist in reality
This is so difficult to watch what a manipulative MP.
As an accountant of 25 years, this was really hard to listen to. A clear example of a dishonest, partisan politician looking to grandstand of "ask" 2min long "questions" stating her ideology, then demanding confirmation from experts and claiming, they give "long answers", when they try to use 2 sentences to qualify, how its not a yes or no reality, is so loathsome. I see, where she got her nickname. Basically, she has the result, she wants, doesnt care about the facts, and just want to force answers, she can dishonestly use to claim, that her required result is backed by experts. Truly the epitome of everything wrong with far too many politicians.
Her: "Accuses someone for giving answers that are too long
Also her: *Speaks for 75% of the Video as the interviewer* o.0
She’s trying hard to trap them but too stupid to succeed. Let’s ask “open” questions then ask for a yes or no response.
I would be asking her. What answer does she want them to give that would suit her narrative.
@@audreymcgready4329 Yes I agree, I'd become hostile to someone obviously fishing for answers they want, while not being interested in the expert opinion.
0:08 - 'I'd like to ask you an open question, not looking for a particular answer'...0:25 'could I just ask you to say yes or no'. Andrea the genius strikes again
first thing she says "here's an open question, not looking for a particular answer... but I'd really like just a yes or no. "
"I'm asking you questions and I want you to have an opinion. But if that opinion doesn't match what I want you to say then I'll keep interrupting you until you agree with me" has she taken lessons from the CCP
I'm going to ask an open question but require only a yes or no answer. Someone stop this woman.
It's idiotic to expect simple answers of very nuanced and complicated issues. Unfortunately the policymakers aren't selected on their ability to deal with complicated matters.
Does she understand the difference between an open and closed question?
"I'll ask a question that has a great deal of nuance across the population, but I want a yes or no answer that applies to everyone".
"Am I asking the right people? or should I disregard everything you say given I've already made my mind up".
Edit: Can I just point out that "having a job" may get you out of the house, but it puts you in another restrictive environment. Some jobs may be more social than others, but they're still work and any social aspect is secondary (and usually frowned upon by virtue of work needing to be done).
Work is not a community. Most jobs don't inspire a sense of belonging (they inspire a sense of "you're replacable"). Most jobs these days put too much on the worker, who may then be made to feel poorly about themselves due to the demands of that job. Employer culture could shift a bit to change this, but it seems the Tories would rather shift the social culture to ingrain it further.
We need communities, where people have the will to be who they are, among others, with little pressure. Work does not do that.
Work has a place in life, but it is not the be all and end all of a human life.
some jobs are outright harmful to society. if we cut every job that pushed people into unnesecary debt, nothing of value would be lost. in fact it would improve society
Nicely worded, mate.👌
Workplaces are very oppressive now. People are just a number but if you're a,politician like this woman it's all jolly hockey sticks. She is looking like Stalin!!
Well said! The Neo Liberal "dignity of work" espoused by such as Julia Gillard (ex Australian Labor Prime Minister) only applies to their mostly benign and fruitful middle/upper class experiences of the Labour Market.
I find no dignity in cleaning the 💩 off the toilets I clean. It's just a purely economic necessity that I have to...
@@ince55ant I'm a little lost as to jobs that "push people into unnecessary debt". Do you mean like for students/nurses who will never be able to pay their school fees off? Not clear...
I heard her the other day saying how great it is to be able to live and work abroad for a few years 👍 does she understand freedom of movement 😂
Does she understand the sun rises in the morning? I have my doubts having watched her here
You obviously don't darling.
@@davidlewis3201 Tory boy, go play in traffic.
No she voted against it
If this childcare package had started April 1st 23 my household will have saved 25k over two years for childcare. My partner was forced back into work because cost of living and childcare cost has nullified those gains. From leadsom perspective they have to sell this package to their base which means some sort of “productivity” outcome over a human aspect. No one else cares about your kids and they don’t wanna pay for it, sad but this is Britain. £5bn isn’t a lot of money for what the economy would get back. My household would be £25k better off which would gives us more spending power. Truth is this government has no actual plan to deliver on this package, it’s a campaign pledge. There’s an election between now and this policy being rolled out and if the Tory’s win they won’t deliver it. How can you announce something in this years budget that doesn’t come into play until 2025. It’s a trap
She sure lives up to her name when, although she didn't just lead some of the questions but ALL of them.
Dense as lead and then som.
I would ask "why should we answer yes or no when your colleagues don't?" (MP's)
Not only that, but it gets my goat to hear people ask long ramblings questions on complex matters who then insist on yes / no answers.
Ludicrous woman, yes or no isn't an open question it's the opposite.
Open questioning allows discussion and range of responses.
Sadly I've watched many of these committees where the ignorance of MPs is on show, but from the oustset here Leadsom takes the biscuit.
It is absurd that they are there as experts but she then only wants a "Yes" or "No" answer.
Getting people out of the house is important and we should make every effort to make sure they need to work 3 jobs so that when they get in they are too tired to look after their kids. When those kids begin to truant we will punish the parents. When the kids want to go and enjoy themselves we will make sure there is nowhere for them to go apart from places their exhausted parents cant afford and punish them when they get into trouble through boredom.
The Tories continuing their efforts to turn Britain into America
Yes, really sad
There are those who chose to have only 1 child, and give that one a good start in life, being with a parent for 3 yrs, and then perhaps nursery or Montessori. This is about money but not the social family aspect
I always remember her after Grenfell. She was getting interviewed on tv and people who lived in Grenfell were asking her questions and she didn’t want to know. You could see she didn’t want to be there. Typical Tory.
I would have walked out as soon as 'yes or no' was demanded the second time.
So that's a no?
I admire your self-restraint.
@@unclegeemus 😀Indeed. That's a "no I'm not playing that game". In the same way as I am not going to answer questions such as "what do you want to eat? Broken glass or rusty nails? Just one of the above. Just one or the other."
"none of you are answering the way I want you to!" 😡
Who does Andrea Leadsom expect to look after a 9 month old baby when both parents go back into work? Not everyone can afford to pay for a babysitter nor do all parents have friends and family that they can rely on. Its almost as if she expects parents to neglect their baby and go back into work which of course is against the law.
*I LIVE IN BULGARIA NOW* here they get 2 years' parental leave if they have a kid and NO ONE puts their kid in child storage with strangers - it is a KNOWN psychological and developmental problem that creates a f-ked up society. The extended family of the community looks after the child if the mother has to work, but most mothers don't work.
We have the lowest level of mental health problems in the EU. Children are NOT an impediment to work - they are TOMORROWS SOCIETY...!!!
Absolutely.
Thank you for addressing the topic, I've just read through dozens of comments ranting about politicians
@@alanhat5252 - I dont have kids, I never particularly liked kids when I was in the UK. But the way they treat children here is astonishing and it enriches and improves my life. To us "children are our future" is a cliche - here its a fact of life and they work very hard to ensure its a good future. We had a massive problem with the standard of driving when I moved here 15 years ago, it was very very bad and dangerous.
Their solution - toughen up the punishments AND teach driving from 5 years old in schools in little electric cars on proper road layouts - it has worked beyond belief - they are now the politest drivers I know anywhere, even the teenagers dont speed in built up areas.
@@piccalillipit9211 they used to do that at Hornchurch Aerodrome in Essex though with older children & full-size cars, I believe it was unique in the country & it's now closed.
We have very unworldly politicians in the UK 😢
@@piccalillipit9211 speeding is part of the learning curve, it's best done when 'speeding' is 4mph not 40mph
The discussion appears to be about those who can afford options, not those in a minimum wage poverty trap.
Does any parent want to hand over their 9month old to a stranger so they can go and do drudgery that still requires benefits to pay the bills ?
The only consideration here seems to be to make money for an economy that most don't profit from whilst not allowing parents to raise their own children.
Quite apart from the astronomical cost of childcare there are several parents vying for one available space. There is a massive gap between need and provision. I know several childminders who have stopped because of Ofsted requirements for reams of paperwork. They were happy to be be checked out by the council that they, and their premises were fit and proper but not the onerous admin now required. The excellent and affordable nursery my children went to has now been closed for 15 years because they couldn't break even.
They really are just turning workers into slaves so they can continue profiteering.. 🤦🏽♂️
Sack the vacuous 🐖.
Precisely. The benefit to society from mothers being able to stay home and take care of their offspring is huge. Politicians still don't get it that raising children is as much work as going somewhere else to a place where you're exploited foe minimum wage, doing thankless tasks that nobody appreciates. Pay parents to stay home and take care of their kids, and I mean a proper salary not just £30 a week. By doing that you're supporting the next generation of workers and voters. Her generation benefitted from such policies so continue them
"Can you please give me the answer I'm corralling you to give?"
Insidious questioning from the newly pro-EU Leadsome.
In Germany, her colleagues would jump in and scold her for the ridiculous line of questioning. But there's not backlash at all in this country for politicians like this. They can just roam free.
Absolutely. Germany where childcare is free and they have a more productive workforce. The British have a serf mindset
In Germany the parents are allowed to stay home til the child is 2 years old as they find it important for child bonding. The German Economy still is strong even if the children are home til 2 years old.
They also pay a far superior state pension. The UK is a doormat nation these days sadly.
@@beegnutz this is why I moved from UK, if i had stayed i would be on a 3rd of my wage that I'm on now in Germany.
She is beyond belief, shocking. Such complex situations and talking about human beings and children.
"I'VE GOT A DISABILITY BLAH, BLAH, BLAH" WTF!!
If I was sitting there as an expert, I would have stood up and said: 'I am far too grown up for this'
As if A.L genuinely has the smallest concern about her state pension entitlement 😂
Notice the lack of anyone present prepared to ask the parent or parents what they want to do. The kind of bubble shielded from the outside world.
Indeed, but I can foresee her opinion is that such a choice should not be granted.
They are not always the best people to ask, because they are not usually the best informed about childcare. The only reason to ask would be to enable dangerous misconceptions to be detected and possibly addressed.
In this specific session, sure, but committees ahve multiple sittings and invite specific expertise in to each. Pregnant than screwed have been to similar committee hearings to talk about child care from a parent's perspective.
The segment from 6:51 covers that specific point.
Instead of parents maybe a parenting practitioner. The people who are educated enough about the subject but don’t have the in built bias of only drawing from experience from their social circle.
"Let me just ask an open question, and there isn't a right or wrong answer... YES OR NO??!!?! AND YOU BETTER SAY YES BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU THE ANSWER IS YES!"
If a government forces mothers to go back to work after nine months, can they guarantee that they, and their client media, are not going to demonise those working mothers, for not being at home?
Answer yes or no.
she needs to ask someone who knows about the health and psychology of children, not economists
She will & seemingly already has but to reach a reasonable _overall_ view she has to ask economists too.
When money is more important to you then the views of economists outweigh any views of child welfare specialists. Basically, "we want to get richer so who cares if that impacts the development of your child".
Why would she ask the opinion of an expert in child health? She couldn’t care less.
Afterall, it's only the interest of the short to medium term economy they're interested in. If education and development was that important, wed have a better education system
The Tories are not about helping anyone unless it's helping themselves. The 'helping' terminology often hides financial pressures they impose. It might be good for the economy for parents to go back to work when a child is 9 months old, but is it good for the child and society at large? What are the impacts on the child? All the Tories think about is money-making.
Considering that she was the only one that did all of the talking during this so-called 'Treasury Select Committee' and the other six members of it didn't ask any questions of the four people in front of them maybe those same four experts should have asked each of the members other than Andrea Leadsom what they did for a living, shouldn't they?
I'm sure that any parent who wanted to return to work 9 months after having a child wouldn't object to having jobs like theirs, i.e. where they just sat around and did sweet F.A. and got paid obscene amounts of money for doing so, would they?
This is a segment clipped from a complete session specifically to get a rise out of people like you.
It's worked well.
@@alanhat5252 I'd say his point still stands
@@alanhat5252, why would it get a 'rise' out of me when none of the things that she was droning on about affects me? I'm sure that there are a lot of taxpayers out there who'd like to see how their money's being spent and wasted in the holding of these nonsensical committees, aren't there?
@@Phil_A_O_Fish agree 'rise' language is typical weirdo provocateur. I can't literally understand this particular english accent of these guys but I understand her accent. Seems that wins the day. I think the 9 month thing is atrocious this would never happen in America everyone would be driving Cadillacs again.
@@unclegeemus, so can you remind us all again how much paid maternity or paternity leave the average American can expect to receive in the U.S.A. after a woman's given birth? To answer my own question, what's really atrocious is the fact that most Americans don't get paid maternity or paternity leave, do they?
This is a moribund line of questioning from a political lightweight.
Which has more value - making a brush for the village, or making a brush for someone else to sell to the village!?
Every american city has been sold due to burning the brush so I don't understand the implications of question although I like and understand the premise.
Wow; those questions and comments from Andrea were incoherent
Yes, she’s a little scatter brained.
She's not that bright, like most Tory MPs.
Dunning-Kruger effect in full view
How about what's it like for the child or the parents of said child?😮 Oh this gov is shocking
The chair asked closed leading questions. She's awful.
Jeez... Andrea Ledsom, the woman who thought she knew more about the WTO than Pascal Lamy - who was Director-General of the WTO for 8 years...
Dear God! I truly struggle to understand how some people became an MP.
Low paid dead end jobs for the working class high paid pointless jobs for the toffs!
“I’m going to ask you an open question. I’m not looking for a particular answer” . . . . .
“Answer Yes, or No.”
Still the main point she got is exceptionally important - at nine months, most children don't even speak yet, and in countries with longer parental leave making a human in that age part with their caretaker is seen as cruel. I would have asked if they have children and if they have seen a child crying to try and get their mother back to them - when this child is nine months old. Masking cruelty behind the words of "changing a social norm" while having no clue is worse than being not that smart on economy or much too pushy in dialogue. Essentially telling women that they should be smarter and keep their full-time jobs versus caring about the pain of their children, let alone perspectives of their children, and then plainly admitting having no clue but still having an opinion - well that would be a very definition of ignorance.
It's hard to understand how anyone can answer a question as complex as whether people should work if they are able with a yes/no answer. And on what planet are economists equipped to opine on the advisability of mothers returning to work their children are under a year.
The answer is yes. And yes this is your planet enjoy it and car sales will rise from mothers getting free child care wow the UK is a mess but so are we over here.
I remember when one wage could support a family. We are destroying the family unit. This was an interesting debate.
I couldn't agree more. There are, what I call, forced societal structuring, that have been soft sold to poputions across the world, however I will focus on the UK with an example, the 'right' for both parents (of a two parent famiky as example) to be 'able' to work, which means that the financial income can be lower, so both have to work. The real life example of what has been done in societal manipulation is, my wife's father was able to work in a factory, in maintaining the machinery, with that income, was able, to move from provided social housing, to buying a home for him, his wife and two children, have a car, from having a motorcycle to get to work, the house being well appointed, tv, video, HiFi, white goods in the kitchen, central heating, all as these things came along. Whether it was one or the other of the two parents that worked, one primary wage, was enough. From that post WWII example, to others from my life, I can, with unnerving ease, show how society has been manipulated to where we, in the UK, are now. The point, of my rather long answer, society is in the process of collapse, a one word factor that points this out, Birthgap.
Its by design.
Oh the cynical
irony of a politician asking for a yes or no answer.
"you do give long answers" after having just finished a 5 minute preamble. For gawd's sake
Millionaire Andrea Leadsom dictating how people live.
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