I think people can easily talk about services that are bound to happen in five years time today. But the bottleneck is technology, if it won't allow you the ideas will simply have to wait to materialise.
Dude, the fundamentals and core ideas of cloud computing is rooted in the period around 1960s. 'Network computing' was the term used for describing these ideas. So, Larry Ellison wasn't the one that had come up with these ideas, infact, the entire industry knew what it was and what the future could be. It's just that Larry Ellison wanted to compete with Microsoft and Bill Gates.
That was the NC or thin computing concept. Everyone was playing with that including boxes like webTV. The last hurrah for them was the netbook fad of 2010. Computing has outpaced the need for stripped down clients ever since the rise of tablets and mobile computing in general. Even Raspberry Pi's have more computing power than thin clients (although tablets, phones, Pi's and other SOC systems could nearly be considered thin-clients - they're pretty robust in comparison to NCs) : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Computer
@@MrBibo2050Yeah, as soon as broadband came in like 1999 I couldn't wait to chat will people while watching TV. I do that all the time on twitch lol. But no one brought that up at the time, I just assumed it would happen.
Holy cow I don't understand why people gloss over Wozniak when it comes to the early pc pioneers, Woz was the brains behind the pc, but Jobs gets all the credit.
Jobs and Wozniak have totally different significance for IT world - Wozniak is an engineer and Jobs was marketing genius. Without Jobs, Wozniak would never do great things for Apple.
Woz would of carried on making great things but giving them away for free. Which he was doing till Jobs stopped him and suggested they sell it instead. I don't much like Jobs but as Wozniak said he wouldn't of thought of selling the ideas without Jobs. And all the money Wozniak made allowed him to do what he wanted in life.
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i LOVE Larry Ellison at the end, I don't care what people say he knew the benefits of the internet and he was all about the digital download revolution years and years before it started.
@@oliversissonphone6143 This is from 1996 (which is why he references buying Windows 95). It was a great idea in theory, but no one had a good enough internet connection back then. It would've taken a month to download something like Windows 95 over dial-up.
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Amateur and general audiences only focus about who is the inventor. For us who are knowledgeable in advanced industrial organization, we all know that having an idea doesn't make you the man who make it work. An idea is not 90% of the job done. If the world was equal to what inventors do, we would be living in the stone age. Woz is the inventor of the video camera, Steve Jobs is the greatest filmmaker of all time. Stealing ideas doesn't mean not being creative, it mean building things from the idea of other and in the long term, it makes the market more efficient. Stealing doesn't mean (stealing), it mean we can do more than what you did, we know that and you know it too, so be brave and let us carry on your idea.
Tarkovsky Bresson i did further it by coming across Jack Dorsey in meeting in 2009. I had him build a little "Square Merchant" slider that can be attached to your phone to make sales on a Ipad! I also did some consulting work to build the a new polygraph test in use by feds today. Why didn't i create it? I accomplished building Bitcoin and now I am almost completely Blind with no more eyesight at 50.
Ok. Well. It's a movie from a book. So i guess the characters are some what spiced but i think it's the best caption of it's kind out there. (Haven't seen the Jobs movie yet so i could be wrong. Still. That's just an Apple story. ) =) AFK is a true movie tho. ;)
retroHC Its really a rip off of cringelys triumph of the nerds which focuses completly on apple and Ibm and ignores everyone else. Half assed innacurate history.
David RF No. Woz actually liked Pirates of Silicon Valley. He DISLIKED the "Jobs" movie immensely however. Woz basically said that although they did muff a few details (probably innevitable) the Pirates film actually got the personalities dead-right and the basics where more or less correct. Even though Jobs came off as bit of a raving asshole in it, even he said Pirates was pretty accurate. (I dont think jobs was that interested in painting himself as someone who he was not. Despite being an aggressive nutter with a reality distortion field around him , he was in fairness quite an honest person in his own way)
Steve Jobs, was truly a visionary. Engineers are dime a dozen.. but try finding a man with confidence, ambition, strive, with a vision of the way things should be... Men like this dont come around often in history... and they ALWAYS leave their mark, as well as change life as we know it. They advance human beings understanding of the world, and its not till 100s of years later that society truely understands and appreciates their impact on the world. Steve might have been ruthless.. but you dont understand the corporate business world.. especially one with Giants if you find his governing out of place. Its a sea of sharks.. and to stay alive.. you better be the biggest shark or you wont last long. This system that we are all in... is heavily controlled by the Titans.. they created this system.. Im very surprised he was able to pull off what he pulled off. The fact he was able to do what he did to make Apple the company it is today means.. he was VERY VERY smart and careful. Just look at what he accomplished.. The man is a legend.
Ha! You wish. But you see, these "visioneers" must also be engineers or else it will not work out, take the Sculley fiasco for example. A man with the passion (confidence, ambition, strive, vision) but without the brains will never be able to materialize his ambition.
36:34 - Steve Jobs - "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas" 42:07 - Steve Jobs - "The only problem with Microsoft is.... they don't think of original ideas" Dafuq?
I'm really into comics and SCI-FI and it just boggles my mind that two geniuses like Jobs and Gates could be amazed by the fact that the Personal Computer revolutionized the world the way that it did. The Adam West Batman had a portable Batcomputer in the Batmobile and The Jetsons' home had a giant video console that ran the house and could accept phone calls. Also, just look at the work of Jules Verne and many others and you will see that fiction has always waited for science to catch up with it and I don't see that situation changing any time soon! Thank GOD for the power of the human imagination, we couldn't get along without it, not by a longshot!
42:00 Jobs says Microsoft has no taste because they have no original ideas, but earlier he said Apple stole from everywhere, saying how “Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”
This documentary called "Pirates of Silicon Valley," is actually an act of piracy itself. All of these interview clips are from the Robert X. Cringely documentary, "Triumph of the Nerds", which aired on PBS in 1995. They even stole the name from the 1999 TNT docudrama staring Noah Wiley and Anthony Michael Hall.
Heh, no, that's not from _Pirates of Silicon Valley_ [1999], which is not a documentary. That's from a documentary, c. 1995, and you've got the info mixed up there, Rote-io Zuckerberg.
Jobs was an absolute master of taking an idea, (his, or someone else's), and packaging it into a "product", that people thought they just *HAD* to have. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but it never made him a "groundbreaking innovator", he was just a guy who had perfected the art of marketing. I remember watching the original iPod reveal, the way it was hyped as a "world changing" announcement, and then out comes a glorified mp3 player, a Creative Nomad Jukebox in a pretty case. And now today Apple has become the new IBM or Microsoft, a soulless monster of a company with only one purpose - to dominate the tech world. They might be on top now, but there will always be someone coming up behind them ready to knock them from the top...
"groundbreaking innovator" Maybe what made him an innovator was that he seen innovation and were to apply it. It takes a special eye to see something and then to apply it some where. We are talking about the ability to interact with hundreds of millions of people.
bighands69 As I said, he was a master of manipulation and marketing, but Jobs, and Apple, were sometimes also behind the times. Back in the Apple II days a company called VTech came out with a clone of the Apple II, called the Laser 128, that out performed the Apple II in every category. Jobs, and Apple, tried to ignore it, until software reviewers and customers started using the Laser as the "official" benchmark for Apple II compatibility. Things are no different today; The ongoing lawsuit between Apple and Samsung over the iPhone/Galaxy, the switch to Intel CPU's, after saying for decades that Intel's were junk, Apple's claim that they "invented" "cloud" storage, (something that has been around for over a decade), the list goes on and on. Sometimes Apple scores big, but often they just take whatever tech is new, or big at the moment, wrap it up all "pretty" and call it "innovation".
looneyburgmusic You do have a point...he was the Maser of Marketing, Vision and insight, your example of the i-pod...going off my memory, the other MP3 players were not as durable ie could break more easily, did not hold as much space, clunky design for the buttons, and looked like crap compared to the ipod, also the GUI on ipods were and maybe still are unmatched.
Jimi Hendrixx What Apple does not seem to realize is they have become the "Elephant" in the room that they used to rail against. They are at the very top of the tech world now, but sooner or later a start up is going to come along and knock them down. It happened to IBM, it happened to Microsoft, it happened to Nintendo. All it will take is someone with a "vision" like Jobs had, some funding, and a bit of luck.
if it wasn't for adobe, I think apple would have folded in the 90's. As a graphic designer I have been forced to use apple because the industry clings onto them like the last piece of driftwood. I despise these infernal machines.
+Dook Leeto The macintosh of the 1990''s was an unstable machine with system 7 crashing so often it was embarrassing. That was at a time when the company was a mess and the leadership was a mess and the people running Apple could not figure out a way to move in a forward direction. Obviously today, macs are a very robust and mature and stable operating system thanks to a unix underpinning. Also as for Adobe, remember you could say that Apple put Adobe on the map back in the eighties.
If history had gone differently, Digital Research with Gary Kildall would be the big company today and not Microsoft. Microsoft played dirty and won by playing dirty. Did you know that when the PC come out, there were 2 options for the operating system. PC-DOS for $40 or CPM for more ( I forgot the amount but it was 200 something). So even though there was more software for CPM at the time, people purchased PC-DOS (later MS-DOS) and eventually software would get written for PC-DOS since that is what people were getting for their OS.
"I was worth about/over $1,000,000 when I was 23, and over $10,000,000 when I was 24 and over $100,000,000 when I was 25, ummm and it wasn't that important, uhh because I never did it for the money." - Steve Jobs Riiighhtt. Seems legit...
See also Pirates of Silicon Valley from 1999. it's been said that Bill Gate bought up all copies of VHS tapes at the time to prevent anyone seeing it and exposing his shenanigan's, Bill IMHO is a con man in many regards but very crafty and smart. If Xerox did not have such short visions, they could have dominated 3 things, the PC, Mouse and Networking as we know it today, but they were so focused on Copying Machines that they blind sided themselves. understandable to some extent, I remember when Xerox made such huge profits people used to take money home in wheel barrels, different groups within Xerox would think nothing of spending 15 million dollars on Christmas parties their was such wealth being made, people were not necessarily happy with their copiers, but would call up to complain and at the same time order 10 more just like it, yes it was an insane time for sure. but very, very interesting and intense Today, your lucky to get a cup of coffee out of them and if you want a party, do a fund riser and pay for it. Anne M. Mulcahy who was rewarded with the CEO position for heading up the worst mismanaged project known to Xerox known as (SOHO) or "Small Office Home Office Division" that failed measurably. where she remained CEO until and she was the leader of this group that ended up being rewarding the CEO position. Ironic isn't it. With that said, Anne M. Mulcahy also did some hard core cleanup of divisions and employment.
Little did Jobs & Gates realize, while sitting in their VERY comfortable 70's/EARLY 80's culture, that their dreams and visions *would* in FACT be a catalyst of change in this country that would not be for the better, despite the exciting view they proposed at THAT time! :( (For the record, I'm approaching 59 years old, so yeah, I SEE exactly what happened, now!)
Yep, Robert Cringely's Triumph of the Nerds content recycled. Definitely watch the original. Three parts, each part is 1 hour long. Still available from PBS.
I just don't understand some of these comments ... Steve Jobs was a neurotic wacko, agreed, but in terms of innovation Apples/MacIntosh was way ahead of everyone else. Impractical business ideas, perhaps, but gotta give Jobs kudos on innovation and computer culture.
I was a PhD student at Berkeley in the 80s, btw, maybe some of you are too young to realize how innovative the Mac was to Acadia researchers/writers back then. Just satin'....
Well no Xerox basically ripped off the technology of Douglas Englebart in his Mother of all Demos from 1968. However they did introduce a few new innovations like icons and the Laser printer.
FYI: The above clip is NOT from the made-for-television movie docu-drama _Pirates of Silicon Valley_ [1999; TNT]. The above is a clip from the television documentary _Trimuph of the Nerds_ [1996; PBS]. Why don't you label that right, sloppy uploader, hm.
Would you forget making 100 million at age 25?? Of course not, no one would. Innovation and creativity is never inspired by money...a person's passion for something is what pushes them to reach a level of making something of value.
mysterymediacorp How about the fact he stole money from Wozniak? He was supposed to split their first sale 50/50, so Jobs lied telling him they made $700 between them, when in reality it was in the thousands. Jobs was absolutely in it for the money, Wozniak wasn't. Hence at the time of this recording Jobs was worth $1 billion, while Wozniak was worth $200 million.
13unner Yeah, you're right about that. I actually went through a similar situation with a childhood friend when I was in highschool. My friend, a rapper and myself (dj) entered a highschool talent show as a group, and ended up winning. My partner kept telling me that he never got the prize money in the mail ( we signed up under his address ). Then one day I stopped by to see him and ran into his sister at the door. Something just told me to ask her if he ever received the prize money from the talent show we had won, and she responded - "yeah, he got the prize check in the mail weeks ago, not long after the talent show, didn't he tell you?". Which, of course he didn't. So I can relate to Woz's position, now that you mention it. I guess I just have to appreciate Jobs as a visionary.
mysterymediacorp Ouch man. It's tough to find a balance between having faith in humanity and protecting yourself from arseholes. Couple little silver linings: 1. The prize money is kind of a bonus if you ask me, the real prize is the confidence from the confirmation of your talent. And 2. You've got one less arsehole in your life ;)
13unner Yeah you're right, not getting the money didn't bother me anywhere as much as the principle and disappointment that someone you thought was a close 'friend' would do something like that. We were highschool kids back then so this happened many years ago, but it was an early rude awakening to the ways of the world for me. So I can completely understand how Woz must have felt in his situation with Steve, he also found out much later by chance, in a book of all things. Human nature will remain one of the greatest mysteries of all.
eLijAH Vs iLLzYaz Thats Right!!! They came to me to consult for new "ideas" in their chosen background, from 2005-2013. Steve, Elon, and larry! I caught Mark stalking me in a gigantic bookstore in portland, Or in Dec. 2012. I told him straight up, recently. He is now getting involved in my BITCOIN!
+Bad Machine The machines on the desktop could do jobs that would require 10 people to do. No store houses of filing, paper and sectaries. One man or women could sit at a desk and do several jobs with the click of a button. They could then print of what they needed for hard records to post to some one.
Steve Jobs "microsoft don't think of original ideas" . Youre kidding, run>pot> kettle> black. Apple are the masters of filching ideas then hailing them as their own. Having said that Id never go back to a pc. RIP S J
+Ross Rossiter Of the two, Microsoft has certainly been the more conservative one. But innovation is a double edged sword. What's the success rate of running 10 year old OS X software binaries on a modern Mac? 10, 15, almost 20 year old Software on Windows? May need some contortion, but it can be almost certainly made work. Which is why Windows has been the system of choice in business.
He was the visionary who was amused and saw the potential of how and where the Personal Computer was going. Jobs was the dreamer and visionary businessman and Wozniak was the Engineer and long behold the Apple 1 and the over 35 - 40 years later we have one of the most valuable and most recognizable brands in history. That's the short version lol :D
+Neil Rieck I don't think that's totally true - before Apple, he did somehow get a job making games at Atari (even though it sounds like he pawned a lot of work off to Woz).
You are misinformed. First off, Intel began selling the first CPU (called the 4004) in Nov-1971 but this chip was too expensive for video game manufacturers who preferred to use direct-wired logic chips. Secondly, Steve was hired as a technician. Thirdly, Steve had taken credit for a board designed by Wozniac. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Pre-Apple
llama99906 You are misinformed. First off, Intel began selling the first CPU (called the 4004) in Nov-1971 but this chip was too expensive for video game manufacturers who preferred to use direct-wired logic chips. Secondly, Steve was hired as a technician. Thirdly, Steve had taken credit for a board designed by Wozniac. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Pre-Apple
I am a huge steve jobs fan. Steve was narcissistic (thought the world revolved around him) which was great for business but awful for friends and family. He was the greatest visionary since leonardo da vinci. Bill gates was an engineer and in essence "created things himself" unlike steve jobs. Steve however revolutionized 4 industries through his foresight.
36:33 "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas" 41:50 "The [] problem with Microsoft is [] that they don't think of original ideas" Both of these were said by Steve Jobs in the SAME interview. I wish we could stop idolizing this fool of a man already
I wish I was born back when you didn't have to choose between building the hardware and building the software (higher level- asm I consider in hardware zone). Uni in 5 months...any suggestions people lol (currently in an electronic engineering course)
They're both great fields.I would say try software first (or at the same time). It's a really fun field that's easy to become passionate about (and you can build your products low cost). Many computer engineers end up becoming programmers after graduation anyway.
Ah ok many thanks for your input, I wasn't aware of this career route for computer engineers, Best for me to get to grips with both fields in more detail it seems ; hence computer science at Kent uni seems best option :)
Hey, just find whatever you like more and have fun with it! Don't worry about what you should or should not be learning, go ahead and work to build products you feel should exist or you'd like to create.
I would say learn objective C, give it 8 weeks...you'll love it or hate it..if you love it, go into linux development ..namely server stuff..you'll make a huge wage and maybe come up with something world changing, good luck bud and if I was you..I would look at what's being covered and give yourself a months head start, uni with tech field is brutal.
So Microsoft bought their first big contract by buying someone's operating code to IBM! Plus Kodak invented the digital camera and the Kodak killed it to protect their Film business!
Good Documentary!! 36:42: Steve Jobs will shamelessly steal an idea! 42:19 We only want original ideas! 15 Aug. 2007 at 1pm, I get a dispatch to take a Jony Ives from JW Marriott in N. PHX to their hotel at Hyatt Regency. (Who can check credit card receipt?) i arrive and Steve Jobs and crew hop in my cab. During the 25min discussion, Steve is sitting in back in middle spitting in my right ear as i requested him to build me a Ipad, Imac, and a "Dick Tracey" Iwatch and a internet TV. Steve asked me if headquarters should by round or square! I said round! Steve never offered me a job as a visionary for the company nor kicked back to me $10k or truth. In Steves book before he passed, on page 491, he discusses that a "Microsoft Guy" he met at a dinner party, inspired Steve Jobs to build Apples newest products. That was me! They have all fibbed. 45:00 I had Larry Ellison in my taxi in Scottsdale in May 2008. We discussed bits & bites and the use of the cloud to hold items that can be digitized. During those years, while consulting on new products for Apple and Oracle and hundreds more, i founded Bitcoin and was doing extensive research to implement my creation. I met Satoshi Nakamoto in March 2008 and begun work to create Bitcoin. Satoshi opened it to the globe on 09 Jan. 2009! These company are also connected to a Obama & Hillary scandal!!!
I remember watching this show on PBS in 1996 or 1998. Larry Ellison saying that "Microsofts success is not assured" was prophetic. Jump ahead to 2018 (just 20 years later) and Microsoft is a shell of it's former self. The swagger is gone. Microsoft almost missed the Internet juggernaut (Gates is quoted as calling it a fad) and only the meteoric rise of Netscape did they finally pivot and catch on. They however could not do the same with the mobile market. Windows does not work well in phones or tablets. Just way way to bulky and slow. And their market share has gotten decimated.
Steve jobs said he didn't want colour for the Mac even though an engineer was trying to show him how to give it color....who then went on to work a non shit computer ie the A1000. The iPod also had worse sound quality output than a cheap chinese MP3 player from years before. Gates and Jobs are pricks bigged up by yank pricks who were too stupid to buy an Amiga 1000. Assholes the lot of them
eddzuki0 they felt it necessary to comment on the how Gates "didn't shower"; observations that had nothing to do with the remarkable efforts they were putting in.
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the only reason bill gates became this rich is opportunity. these guys grew up in the richest country in the world, in a time of revolution and evolution. they had all the opportunities in the world at their feet. every time bill gates opens his mouth to speak i am astonished this guy made it that far. he has no originality, no vision, no intelligence, no humour, not even true love for what he did. his only love is for money and power. its a sad thing that only this kind of people become rich and powerful. because the real good people are those working to help others, and those have no mansions, no airplanes. bill gates should not have the money he has today. he is a cheat and a liar. none of these guys deserve what they have. NONE OF THEM.
+austin tatious Where is his genius? Being lucky to know a real genius (Wozniak) at the right place in time? He was so lucky to have him as his friend. Without Wozniak, you wouldn't even know Steve Jobs' name today. Without Jobs, Wozniak still would have went on to do amazing things because HE is a REAL genius.
Larry Ellison was way ahead of his time, he was talking about cloud computing even back then.
I think people can easily talk about services that are bound to happen in five years time today. But the bottleneck is technology, if it won't allow you the ideas will simply have to wait to materialise.
Dude, the fundamentals and core ideas of cloud computing is rooted in the period around 1960s. 'Network computing' was the term used for describing these ideas. So, Larry Ellison wasn't the one that had come up with these ideas, infact, the entire industry knew what it was and what the future could be. It's just that Larry Ellison wanted to compete with Microsoft and Bill Gates.
That was the NC or thin computing concept. Everyone was playing with that including boxes like webTV. The last hurrah for them was the netbook fad of 2010. Computing has outpaced the need for stripped down clients ever since the rise of tablets and mobile computing in general. Even Raspberry Pi's have more computing power than thin clients (although tablets, phones, Pi's and other SOC systems could nearly be considered thin-clients - they're pretty robust in comparison to NCs) : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Computer
@@MrBibo2050Yeah, as soon as broadband came in like 1999 I couldn't wait to chat will people while watching TV. I do that all the time on twitch lol. But no one brought that up at the time, I just assumed it would happen.
Holy cow I don't understand why people gloss over Wozniak when it comes to the early pc pioneers, Woz was the brains behind the pc, but Jobs gets all the credit.
Jobs and Wozniak have totally different significance for IT world - Wozniak is an engineer and Jobs was marketing genius. Without Jobs, Wozniak would never do great things for Apple.
Woz would of carried on making great things but giving them away for free. Which he was doing till Jobs stopped him and suggested they sell it instead. I don't much like Jobs but as Wozniak said he wouldn't of thought of selling the ideas without Jobs. And all the money Wozniak made allowed him to do what he wanted in life.
who glosses over Wozniak?
Leonardo Antonio A lot of people who buy Apple products. A lot of them don't know who Wozniak is.
True, and a very difficult job for Rod Holt!
I believe this is actually from the documentary, "Triumph of the Nerds." "Pirates" is an actual made-for-TV movie.
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i LOVE Larry Ellison at the end, I don't care what people say he knew the benefits of the internet and he was all about the digital download revolution years and years before it started.
Christopher Morris So was Jim Spellman
the problem was internet is slow and expensive back then, and not everyone had access to the internet
I'd love to know what year he said that.
@@oliversissonphone6143 This is from 1996 (which is why he references buying Windows 95). It was a great idea in theory, but no one had a good enough internet connection back then. It would've taken a month to download something like Windows 95 over dial-up.
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Forrest Gump also invested in the fruit company.
@The Fandom Menace wow nice little fact!
Wozy was the man
"The Woz"
Amateur and general audiences only focus about who is the inventor. For us who are knowledgeable in advanced industrial organization, we all know that having an idea doesn't make you the man who make it work. An idea is not 90% of the job done. If the world was equal to what inventors do, we would be living in the stone age. Woz is the inventor of the video camera, Steve Jobs is the greatest filmmaker of all time. Stealing ideas doesn't mean not being creative, it mean building things from the idea of other and in the long term, it makes the market more efficient. Stealing doesn't mean (stealing), it mean we can do more than what you did, we know that and you know it too, so be brave and let us carry on your idea.
Tarkovsky Bresson i did further it by coming across Jack Dorsey in meeting in 2009. I had him build a little "Square Merchant" slider that can be attached to your phone to make sales on a Ipad! I also did some consulting work to build the a new polygraph test in use by feds today. Why didn't i create it? I accomplished building Bitcoin and now I am almost completely Blind with no more eyesight at 50.
Pirates Of Silicon Valley is a very good and accurate movie. The look-alikes are so like the originals!
Steve Wozniak said it is higlhy untruthful in an interview with bloomberg.
Ok. Well. It's a movie from a book. So i guess the characters are some what spiced but i think it's the best caption of it's kind out there. (Haven't seen the Jobs movie yet so i could be wrong. Still. That's just an Apple story. ) =) AFK is a true movie tho. ;)
retroHC Its really a rip off of cringelys triumph of the nerds which focuses completly on apple and Ibm and ignores everyone else. Half assed innacurate history.
I'll guess this movie is like the bible. You pick and choose what semes to be the best in youre likings. ;)
David RF No. Woz actually liked Pirates of Silicon Valley. He DISLIKED the "Jobs" movie immensely however. Woz basically said that although they did muff a few details (probably innevitable) the Pirates film actually got the personalities dead-right and the basics where more or less correct. Even though Jobs came off as bit of a raving asshole in it, even he said Pirates was pretty accurate. (I dont think jobs was that interested in painting himself as someone who he was not. Despite being an aggressive nutter with a reality distortion field around him , he was in fairness quite an honest person in his own way)
Pirates of Silicon Valley is a TV movie with Noah Wylie as Steve Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Bill Gates. "I got the loot, Steve!"
Many thanks for the upload!!! :O)
Who made a "100 billion dollar mistake" according to the documentary and why?
Can i just say I love Woz!
Steve Jobs, was truly a visionary. Engineers are dime a dozen.. but try finding a man with confidence, ambition, strive, with a vision of the way things should be... Men like this dont come around often in history... and they ALWAYS leave their mark, as well as change life as we know it. They advance human beings understanding of the world, and its not till 100s of years later that society truely understands and appreciates their impact on the world. Steve might have been ruthless.. but you dont understand the corporate business world.. especially one with Giants if you find his governing out of place. Its a sea of sharks.. and to stay alive.. you better be the biggest shark or you wont last long. This system that we are all in... is heavily controlled by the Titans.. they created this system.. Im very surprised he was able to pull off what he pulled off. The fact he was able to do what he did to make Apple the company it is today means.. he was VERY VERY smart and careful. Just look at what he accomplished.. The man is a legend.
Ha! You wish. But you see, these "visioneers" must also be engineers or else it will not work out, take the Sculley fiasco for example. A man with the passion (confidence, ambition, strive, vision) but without the brains will never be able to materialize his ambition.
36:34 - Steve Jobs - "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas"
42:07 - Steve Jobs - "The only problem with Microsoft is.... they don't think of original ideas"
Dafuq?
mudbone Stealing is only ok if it benefits Apple.
mudbone He's such a scumbag. Bill Gates FTW
+mudbone I believe the idea is that stealing ideas is okay, but you have to have some original ideas to complement it with to add more value.
+Keyser Söze it's a classic case of having your foot in your mouth
+Keplers Kitty talk to seattle computer about bill gates scumbag level
the man sold qdos a operating system he didnt own to ibm
Mr Ellison i would know you , you are fantastic man and are worthy to be honorated :) :) :)
I'm really into comics and SCI-FI and it just boggles my mind that two geniuses like Jobs and Gates could be amazed by the fact that the Personal Computer revolutionized the world the way that it did. The Adam West Batman had a portable Batcomputer in the Batmobile and The Jetsons' home had a giant video console that ran the house and could accept phone calls. Also, just look at the work of Jules Verne and many others and you will see that fiction has always waited for science to catch up with it and I don't see that situation changing any time soon! Thank GOD for the power of the human imagination, we couldn't get along without it, not by a longshot!
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+Pulsar Stargrave Agreed!!!!
+James Navarro As people recently pointed out, BACK TO THE FUTURE 2 got a LOT right!
100% agree!!! Love science fiction!!!!!! Also
Hindsight is 50/50 apparently.
Very informative we will make a reaction paper on this for our comp 2 subject
The business people are the ones who really know how to make money. That's the way the world works.
42:00 Jobs says Microsoft has no taste because they have no original ideas, but earlier he said Apple stole from everywhere, saying how “Good artists copy. Great artists steal.”
42:08 "They don't think of original ideas".... WHAT?! If ANYONE doesn't think of original ideas, Its fucking Apple.
This documentary called "Pirates of Silicon Valley," is actually an act of piracy itself.
All of these interview clips are from the Robert X. Cringely documentary, "Triumph of the Nerds", which aired on PBS in 1995.
They even stole the name from the 1999 TNT docudrama staring Noah Wiley and Anthony Michael Hall.
Steve Ballmer seems like a fun guy to have a drink with
Heh, no, that's not from _Pirates of Silicon Valley_ [1999], which is not a documentary. That's from a documentary, c. 1995, and you've got the info mixed up there, Rote-io Zuckerberg.
Jobs was an absolute master of taking an idea, (his, or someone else's), and packaging it into a "product", that people thought they just *HAD* to have. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but it never made him a "groundbreaking innovator", he was just a guy who had perfected the art of marketing. I remember watching the original iPod reveal, the way it was hyped as a "world changing" announcement, and then out comes a glorified mp3 player, a Creative Nomad Jukebox in a pretty case. And now today Apple has become the new IBM or Microsoft, a soulless monster of a company with only one purpose - to dominate the tech world. They might be on top now, but there will always be someone coming up behind them ready to knock them from the top...
"groundbreaking innovator"
Maybe what made him an innovator was that he seen innovation and were to apply it. It takes a special eye to see something and then to apply it some where.
We are talking about the ability to interact with hundreds of millions of people.
bighands69 As I said, he was a master of manipulation and marketing, but Jobs, and Apple, were sometimes also behind the times. Back in the Apple II days a company called VTech came out with a clone of the Apple II, called the Laser 128, that out performed the Apple II in every category. Jobs, and Apple, tried to ignore it, until software reviewers and customers started using the Laser as the "official" benchmark for Apple II compatibility. Things are no different today; The ongoing lawsuit between Apple and Samsung over the iPhone/Galaxy, the switch to Intel CPU's, after saying for decades that Intel's were junk, Apple's claim that they "invented" "cloud" storage, (something that has been around for over a decade), the list goes on and on. Sometimes Apple scores big, but often they just take whatever tech is new, or big at the moment, wrap it up all "pretty" and call it "innovation".
looneyburgmusic You do have a point...he was the Maser of Marketing, Vision and insight, your example of the i-pod...going off my memory, the other MP3 players were not as durable ie could break more easily, did not hold as much space, clunky design for the buttons, and looked like crap compared to the ipod, also the GUI on ipods were and maybe still are unmatched.
Jimi Hendrixx What Apple does not seem to realize is they have become the "Elephant" in the room that they used to rail against. They are at the very top of the tech world now, but sooner or later a start up is going to come along and knock them down. It happened to IBM, it happened to Microsoft, it happened to Nintendo. All it will take is someone with a "vision" like Jobs had, some funding, and a bit of luck.
bighands69 Or extensive product research to see if it already exists!
if it wasn't for adobe, I think apple would have folded in the 90's. As a graphic designer I have been forced to use apple because the industry clings onto them like the last piece of driftwood. I despise these infernal machines.
+Dook Leeto The macintosh of the 1990''s was an unstable machine with system 7 crashing so often it was embarrassing. That was at a time when the company was a mess and the leadership was a mess and the people running Apple could not figure out a way to move in a forward direction. Obviously today, macs are a very robust and mature and stable operating system thanks to a unix underpinning. Also as for Adobe, remember you could say that Apple put Adobe on the map back in the eighties.
+SnowyOwl by the way, macs are still garbage.
I have both actually, and prefer a PC vs Mac.
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Did Steve Ballmer ever have hair?
No. You are making an irrelevant point. Don't dismiss girls like that. Not all of them are such bitches.
SergioMartelli damn dude, who hurt you?
He doesn't have hair, but he has sweat.
If history had gone differently, Digital Research with Gary Kildall would be the big company today and not Microsoft. Microsoft played dirty and won by playing dirty. Did you know that when the PC come out, there were 2 options for the operating system. PC-DOS for $40 or CPM for more ( I forgot the amount but it was 200 something). So even though there was more software for CPM at the time, people purchased PC-DOS (later MS-DOS) and eventually software would get written for PC-DOS since that is what people were getting for their OS.
"I was worth about/over $1,000,000 when I was 23, and over $10,000,000 when I was 24 and over $100,000,000 when I was 25, ummm and it wasn't that important, uhh because I never did it for the money." - Steve Jobs Riiighhtt. Seems legit...
***** did HE bust his ass, or did his EMPLOYEES bust their asses FOR him?
Jason Priddy He busted his ass making them bust their asses for him.
Do you know who were in charge of Directing, Producing, etc the documentary. I'm writing a report and those would help.
i RESPECT YOU SOO MUCH mR eLLISON
See also Pirates of Silicon Valley from 1999. it's been said that Bill Gate bought up all copies of VHS tapes at the time to prevent anyone seeing it and exposing his shenanigan's, Bill IMHO is a con man in many regards but very crafty and smart.
If Xerox did not have such short visions, they could have dominated 3 things, the PC, Mouse and Networking as we know it today, but they were so focused on Copying Machines that they blind sided themselves. understandable to some extent, I remember when Xerox made such huge profits people used to take money home in wheel barrels, different groups within Xerox would think nothing of spending 15 million dollars on Christmas parties their was such wealth being made, people were not necessarily happy with their copiers, but would call up to complain and at the same time order 10 more just like it, yes it was an insane time for sure. but very, very interesting and intense
Today, your lucky to get a cup of coffee out of them and if you want a party, do a fund riser and pay for it. Anne M. Mulcahy who was rewarded with the CEO position for heading up the worst mismanaged project known to Xerox known as (SOHO) or "Small Office Home Office Division" that failed measurably. where she remained CEO until and she was the leader of this group that ended up being rewarding the CEO position. Ironic isn't it.
With that said, Anne M. Mulcahy also did some hard core cleanup of divisions and employment.
Steve Ballmer is a comedian.
Little did Jobs & Gates realize, while sitting in their VERY comfortable 70's/EARLY 80's culture, that their dreams and visions *would* in FACT be a catalyst of change in this country that would not be for the better, despite the exciting view they proposed at THAT time! :(
(For the record, I'm approaching 59 years old, so yeah, I SEE exactly what happened, now!)
Yep, Robert Cringely's Triumph of the Nerds content recycled. Definitely watch the original. Three parts, each part is 1 hour long. Still available from PBS.
Woz is exactly the same I love it
Love the part when Larry Ellison says I hate computers and cardboad bits - put it all on the net. Anyone know when this doc was filmed ?
I just don't understand some of these comments ... Steve Jobs was a neurotic wacko, agreed, but in terms of innovation Apples/MacIntosh was way ahead of everyone else. Impractical business ideas, perhaps, but gotta give Jobs kudos on innovation and computer culture.
hey AEMC!! we're watching too!! : )
I was a PhD student at Berkeley in the 80s, btw, maybe some of you are too young to realize how innovative the Mac was to Acadia researchers/writers back then. Just satin'....
Was that before Apple "borrowing" GUI from Xerox or after?! then lending that to MS-Windows...
Isn’t this video “Triumph of the Nerds” re-edited?
Hahaha yeah basically
I wish the writers and actors of "The Big Short" could do a 3 hour movie about Jobs & Gates & IBM! LOL :)
This is not Pirates of Silicon Valley.
so Xerox was the start of all this.....
Well no Xerox basically ripped off the technology of Douglas Englebart in his Mother of all Demos from 1968. However they did introduce a few new innovations like icons and the Laser printer.
@@m9078jk3 damn right!!!
He's one of my heros
I would say Intel and Digital research were. Intel invented he microchip, and the first operating system was created by digital research
IMSI gets a cameo in the original WarGames movie.
Rest in Peace Paul Allen
God Mode... :)
FYI: The above clip is NOT from the made-for-television movie docu-drama _Pirates of Silicon Valley_ [1999; TNT].
The above is a clip from the television documentary _Trimuph of the Nerds_ [1996; PBS].
Why don't you label that right, sloppy uploader, hm.
Never did it for the money but he still took it piisssssss my knickers
Did Steve say in the video that apple bought 19% of Adobe?
11:48...most fun you can have with your clothes on 🤣
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woz have a gibby les paul? nice!
He didn't do it for money, but he still remembers it
Would you forget making 100 million at age 25?? Of course not, no one would. Innovation and creativity is never inspired by money...a person's passion for something is what pushes them to reach a level of making something of value.
mysterymediacorp How about the fact he stole money from Wozniak? He was supposed to split their first sale 50/50, so Jobs lied telling him they made $700 between them, when in reality it was in the thousands. Jobs was absolutely in it for the money, Wozniak wasn't. Hence at the time of this recording Jobs was worth $1 billion, while Wozniak was worth $200 million.
13unner Yeah, you're right about that. I actually went through a similar situation with a childhood friend when I was in highschool. My friend, a rapper and myself (dj) entered a highschool talent show as a group, and ended up winning.
My partner kept telling me that he never got the prize money in the mail ( we signed up under his address ). Then one day I stopped by to see him and ran into his sister at the door. Something just told me to ask her if he ever received the prize money from the talent show we had won, and she responded - "yeah, he got the prize check in the mail weeks ago, not long after the talent show, didn't he tell you?". Which, of course he didn't.
So I can relate to Woz's position, now that you mention it. I guess I just have to appreciate Jobs as a visionary.
mysterymediacorp Ouch man. It's tough to find a balance between having faith in humanity and protecting yourself from arseholes.
Couple little silver linings: 1. The prize money is kind of a bonus if you ask me, the real prize is the confidence from the confirmation of your talent.
And 2. You've got one less arsehole in your life ;)
13unner Yeah you're right, not getting the money didn't bother me anywhere as much as the principle and disappointment that someone you thought was a close 'friend' would do something like that.
We were highschool kids back then so this happened many years ago, but it was an early rude awakening to the ways of the world for me. So I can completely understand how Woz must have felt in his situation with Steve, he also found out much later by chance, in a book of all things.
Human nature will remain one of the greatest mysteries of all.
You should warn that these are just badly transfered cuts from the "Triumph of the Nerds" series.
*Jobs, Mark Cuban, Larry Ellison and Elon are no different, they're the CEO not the inventor.*
eLijAH Vs iLLzYaz Thats Right!!! They came to me to consult for new "ideas" in their chosen background, from 2005-2013. Steve, Elon, and larry! I caught Mark stalking me in a gigantic bookstore in portland, Or in Dec. 2012. I told him straight up, recently. He is now getting involved in my BITCOIN!
Adelle was working for idiots at Xerox at the time I hope she got a job later on where her genius and that of her team were appreciated.
Microsoft forever ! Watching this from apple iPhone 😂🤘
I'm trying to figure out how they made so much money selling computers and software, without the Internet.
+Bad Machine
The machines on the desktop could do jobs that would require 10 people to do. No store houses of filing, paper and sectaries.
One man or women could sit at a desk and do several jobs with the click of a button. They could then print of what they needed for hard records to post to some one.
The internet went live, in the Fall of 1969, as ARPANET. Very few people knew of its existence, and even fewer actually used it. But, it was there.
Steve Jobs "microsoft don't think of original ideas" . Youre kidding, run>pot> kettle> black. Apple are the masters of filching ideas then hailing them as their own. Having said that Id never go back to a pc. RIP S J
+Ross Rossiter Of the two, Microsoft has certainly been the more conservative one. But innovation is a double edged sword. What's the success rate of running 10 year old OS X software binaries on a modern Mac? 10, 15, almost 20 year old Software on Windows? May need some contortion, but it can be almost certainly made work. Which is why Windows has been the system of choice in business.
+Ross Rossiter yeah half the power for twice the price, at least it has a nice looking box.
HE TOOK 10 SECONDS in blank...after "the only problem with microsoft... in a sense that..." before he spoke "that they don't think of original ideas"
WTF was Steve Jobs talking about? He never wrote any code or engineer any of the electrical or mechanical components/systems...
He was the visionary who was amused and saw the potential of how and where the Personal Computer was going. Jobs was the dreamer and visionary businessman and Wozniak was the Engineer and long behold the Apple 1 and the over 35 - 40 years later we have one of the most valuable and most recognizable brands in history. That's the short version lol :D
It is weird to hear Jobs talk about writing a program in BASIC or FORTRAN when, in truth, he couldn't code at all. Not even scripts.
Neil Rieck arent you late for your starbucks shift?
***** No, hipsters who think steve jobs is a genius work at starbucks...
+Neil Rieck I don't think that's totally true - before Apple, he did somehow get a job making games at Atari (even though it sounds like he pawned a lot of work off to Woz).
You are misinformed. First off, Intel began selling the first CPU (called the 4004) in Nov-1971 but this chip was too expensive for video game manufacturers who preferred to use direct-wired logic chips. Secondly, Steve was hired as a technician. Thirdly, Steve had taken credit for a board designed by Wozniac. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Pre-Apple
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You are misinformed. First off, Intel began selling the first CPU (called the 4004) in Nov-1971 but this chip was too expensive for video game manufacturers who preferred to use direct-wired logic chips. Secondly, Steve was hired as a technician. Thirdly, Steve had taken credit for a board designed by Wozniac. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Pre-Apple
Fix the typo in the title, jeez louise...
24:45... foreshadowing Google...
the Forrest Gump feather sure fell on these guys
I am a huge steve jobs fan. Steve was narcissistic (thought the world revolved around him) which was great for business but awful for friends and family. He was the greatest visionary since leonardo da vinci. Bill gates was an engineer and in essence "created things himself" unlike steve jobs. Steve however revolutionized 4 industries through his foresight.
George Holliday Ill bet your ibm narcissist..
George Holliday the greatest visionary since leonardo da vinci, HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! NICE TROLL 10/10. You hipster idiot.
Dude was a scam artist and robbed everyone one that had a decent idea of it and credited himself...A true piece of shit....
What year did this come out?
99
Is it just me or does the code at 16:34 look like Enigma Code
36:33 "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas"
41:50 "The [] problem with Microsoft is [] that they don't think of original ideas"
Both of these were said by Steve Jobs in the SAME interview.
I wish we could stop idolizing this fool of a man already
larry is the best part of this video😂
Wasn't this called Triumph of the Nerds?
que T2 theme song
better watch Trimph of the nerds and Nerds 2.0.1
I wish I was born back when you didn't have to choose between building the hardware and building the software (higher level- asm I consider in hardware zone).
Uni in 5 months...any suggestions people lol
(currently in an electronic engineering course)
They're both great fields.I would say try software first (or at the same time). It's a really fun field that's easy to become passionate about (and you can build your products low cost). Many computer engineers end up becoming programmers after graduation anyway.
Ah ok many thanks for your input, I wasn't aware of this career route for computer engineers, Best for me to get to grips with both fields in more detail it seems ; hence computer science at Kent uni seems best option :)
Hey, just find whatever you like more and have fun with it! Don't worry about what you should or should not be learning, go ahead and work to build products you feel should exist or you'd like to create.
Sounds good :)
I would say learn objective C, give it 8 weeks...you'll love it or hate it..if you love it, go into linux development ..namely server stuff..you'll make a huge wage and maybe come up with something world changing, good luck bud and if I was you..I would look at what's being covered and give yourself a months head start, uni with tech field is brutal.
So Microsoft bought their first big contract by buying someone's operating code to IBM!
Plus Kodak invented the digital camera and the Kodak killed it to protect their Film business!
f* , Apple and Steve Jobs are even in the soup
BEED 3 SECTION 2 HAHAHA NAG TAN AW NAMO
Good Documentary!!
36:42: Steve Jobs will shamelessly steal an idea!
42:19 We only want original ideas!
15 Aug. 2007 at 1pm, I get a dispatch to take a Jony Ives from JW Marriott in N. PHX to their hotel at Hyatt Regency. (Who can check credit card receipt?) i arrive and Steve Jobs and crew hop in my cab. During the 25min discussion, Steve is sitting in back in middle spitting in my right ear as i requested him to build me a Ipad, Imac, and a "Dick Tracey" Iwatch and a internet TV. Steve asked me if headquarters should by round or square! I said round! Steve never offered me a job as a visionary for the company nor kicked back to me $10k or truth. In Steves book before he passed, on page 491, he discusses that a "Microsoft Guy" he met at a dinner party, inspired Steve Jobs to build Apples newest products. That was me! They have all fibbed.
45:00 I had Larry Ellison in my taxi in Scottsdale in May 2008. We discussed bits & bites and the use of the cloud to hold items that can be digitized.
During those years, while consulting on new products for Apple and Oracle and hundreds more, i founded Bitcoin and was doing extensive research to implement my creation. I met Satoshi Nakamoto in March 2008 and begun work to create Bitcoin. Satoshi opened it to the globe on 09 Jan. 2009! These company are also connected to a Obama & Hillary scandal!!!
Apple was the first? Eh.... What about commodore?
I remember watching this show on PBS in 1996 or 1998. Larry Ellison saying that "Microsofts success is not assured" was prophetic. Jump ahead to 2018 (just 20 years later) and Microsoft is a shell of it's former self. The swagger is gone. Microsoft almost missed the Internet juggernaut (Gates is quoted as calling it a fad) and only the meteoric rise of Netscape did they finally pivot and catch on. They however could not do the same with the mobile market. Windows does not work well in phones or tablets. Just way way to bulky and slow. And their market share has gotten decimated.
Wrong.
Both Apple and Microsoft are now trillion-dollar companies.
Good artists copy; great artists steal.
I just realized these are all snips take from the geeks shall rule the world documentary. Not Cool
Who’s here because of some dudes comment
12:04 12:18 notice how its the females that felt the need, on this *documentary* to surreptitiously mock these great men on insignificant quirks.
Steve jobs said he didn't want colour for the Mac even though an engineer was trying to show him how to give it color....who then went on to work a non shit computer ie the A1000. The iPod also had worse sound quality output than a cheap chinese MP3 player from years before. Gates and Jobs are pricks bigged up by yank pricks who were too stupid to buy an Amiga 1000. Assholes the lot of them
NO ST NO Comment what are you talking about?
eddzuki0 they felt it necessary to comment on the how Gates "didn't shower"; observations that had nothing to do with the remarkable efforts they were putting in.
its clear bill gates nor steve jobs have ever a coded a line in their life..
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While Steve Jobs was worried about the Big Blue coming to destroy Apple, his friend Bill was beating the crap out of the Big Blue.
Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?
Bill's mom was on the board of a national charity, along with the Chairman of IBM. Bill had connections.
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Perhaps really they were unethical and feed better food and rewards to nerdy students locked efficiently in dorms.
Englisy?
Windows is a failure
And this is why Apple died. Prognose for 2017
Microsoft lost to apple. Apple lost to google . Google makes robots and rules the world . Its now 2017 fml .
There is actually a company called SkyNet. Thats very scary!
Wow.. Terminator will win!
As great as apple is Steve was much beter then. Tim Cook will ever be
Very one sided
Ripped off from Triumph of the Nerds, which is far more interesting - th-cam.com/video/c1yzXkH5Pfo/w-d-xo.html
the only reason bill gates became this rich is opportunity. these guys grew up in the richest country in the world, in a time of revolution and evolution. they had all the opportunities in the world at their feet. every time bill gates opens his mouth to speak i am astonished this guy made it that far. he has no originality, no vision, no intelligence, no humour, not even true love for what he did. his only love is for money and power. its a sad thing that only this kind of people become rich and powerful. because the real good people are those working to help others, and those have no mansions, no airplanes. bill gates should not have the money he has today. he is a cheat and a liar. none of these guys deserve what they have. NONE OF THEM.
*Title:* _The Rise of Silicon Valley_ ( applerumortracker.com )
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steve jobs was a genius, get over it haters.
+austin tatious Where is his genius? Being lucky to know a real genius (Wozniak) at the right place in time? He was so lucky to have him as his friend. Without Wozniak, you wouldn't even know Steve Jobs' name today. Without Jobs, Wozniak still would have went on to do amazing things because HE is a REAL genius.
joe ferguson A genius? Not! He had a good sense of trends and sales!