What BEES are Teaching Me - Horizontal vs. Vertical Bee Hives
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- Currently in the Daddykirbs Beeyard there are both Horizontal and Vertical Langstroth beehives. In this video I'm inspecting both to see how much the bees are building wax comb, storing nectar and pollen. I'm surprised by some of the honey frames!
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Hhhaha🤣 BUSTED just skipped forward and landed on you saying "I'm sure some of you skipping forward to my horizontal box's😋😋🐝🤣🤣🐝🌻🍑🐝🌼🌼🐝🤣
Lol when the bees were getting a tad bit upset and you apologised. That's a good beekeeper right there
I apologize often.
No Velcro, no super glue, no tape. Just simple needle and thread will do the job on your veil.
That's exactly what I was thinking!
J.Arnold Cotton me too!
I'm there :) Sometimes I just have to do it wrong a few times before I listen to good advice.
This looks so relaxing and fun :P Thanks for sharing the videos!
ALWAYS answer when Mom calls.
*respect*
Put you a empty hive out in the yard and stack supplies in it for your hives. If a swarm moves in just break it down and put another one up. That's easier than going back to the house.
Good point.
But you could attract robbing / exploring bees and those bees could spread disease so it is a good idea as long as bees can't get in
@@sierrabravo7368 what's to keep that from happening on the active hives?
@@TNRonin That's why as a beekeeper it is your duty to help your bees defend their hive by either keeping strong colonies or reducing the entrance or using a robbing screen, not only will robbing bees steal your honey but they will kill lots of your bees and spread disease to or take disease from your hive. No good comes from getting robbed
@@sierrabravo7368 you just made my point.
First season Bee Keeper here. It's been a while since you did the video's on the horizontal hives. I'm taking notes and plan to adjust my hive a bit because of your video. Are you still in favor of the Langstroth Horizontal hive? Thanks
Cool I've never seen this before..... Bees used to scare me until my hubby showed me you can pet bumble bees and I started to relax around them
bees are very cool. They need to be respected for sure.
In the old Country Palestine we used to pour about 1/4 inch of honey bee wax on top of the Jam to seal it and preserve it .
Thanks DaddyKirbs... that was fun to see.
About the long hive.. You don't really need an escape route out of the hive at the top.. (alto we do have end openings on our curved roof. ) If the bees feel that they don't want to provide guards there, they will propolize it up. We just left the holes in the top slats open. We have 3 in a couple of slats, to allow for ventilation.. just like any other inner cover on a verticle hive..That way, the bees left on top can go back down.
I might have totally missed it, but I didn't see brood in the long hive.. I know you saw your queen...
I too think they are more mellow... And A far cry from your wicked bees a couple of years back.. That was unreal. LOL
I love the long hives, and I think both bees and keepers, love them.. IMO of course :) Thanks for taking us along. The bees are always teaching us.
Haha! You remember the "angry bees"? I'll never forget them... they are the reason I wear a veil EVERY TIME! Yes there is brood in there. These videos start out with raw footage well over and hour long. Sometimes I cut stuff that should stay.
FYI, for the horizontal hive, I don't add bee escapes. I just put all the top slats on and leave the lid open for a few minutes. They'll all get off the top in short time.
Try to build a skinny funnel from #8 screen cloth. The 3" long funnel (tapered from 2" to3/4" ) will allow the bee to walk out to the opening, but it's very hard for a bee to fly into the small end to get into the top of the hive. Just a thought🐝
Subscribed. What I like about this video is you are making mistakes like we all make, but you are not cutting them out. I used a bee excluder when I had hives which was a little U shaped wooden device that had a light spring fitted between the uprights that had gap a bee could push against and get through but not get back in from the outside.
Looks like horizontal is less work and more productive for the same amount of product you are getting
I am soo sold on the idea of long hives I have noticed that stacked hives make bees get displaced and angry and stingy
Okay so I'm not a beekeeper so my question I know is silly
But do the kind of flowers around the hive changes the taste of the honey? Like if you plant lavender all around , would you get lavender 🍯 honey. Plz don't laugh,
Yes different flowers for different area's do change the taste of honey. I even tasted honey from different countries and there was a very different taste.
A very legit question
Yes try forest Honey, sooo unlike normal Honey. Great but real difference
@daddykirbs farm, love watching your beekeeping videos. Will be getting couple of beehives next year. I attended a seminar at Rhode Island College for beekeeping for Veterans. Studies have shown that beekeeping can help with PTSD. Look forward to your next video.
Beekeeping can be very therapeutic. Enjoy your journey!
I'd suggest you get all ready in the spring and wait for the locals to tell you they have swarms available - then you are obtaining local bees who are better acclimated to your area. - and, no worry, you will have lots of swarms to choose from.....j
Daddykirbs....you seem to be a lot like me in that you are a very high energy person...one lesson I have clearly learned beekeeping... take a breath and slowwwwww dowwwnnnnn. You yank your frames out of the hives pretty abruptly. Your bees will be much happier with you if you just slowwww dowwwnnnn.
Yep, maybe sometimes I'm a bit rushed. Thank you.
Can you pass on a good word? Combless frames invited the bees to do what they know to do, build comb. I'm learning that its really the way to go, being that they always, when left alone to draw their own comb, build smaller cells sizes, which for me, says a lot. thank you
what are the gloves that you use? .. I'd like to try them myself as I loose soo much dexterity with the bulky gloves.
They look like platex gloves. Am I right?
Very interesting video. Thank you. Anyone can tell you are very sensitive to what your bees are telling you. Thank you for sharing your bee story. Love the caring way you end your video.
you need a small hand broom to sweep the bees off the top of the horizontal hive that way they don't get stuck
my mentor told me that when 6 out of 8 frames (or 8 out of 19) frames are full you should put a new box on - now I wonder......I had two hives this year that never filled out the second boxes - and they were stuffed full of bees - any thoughts?
Use a large needle and 10 pound test mono fishing line or Spiderwire to mend those holes.
I think I'm there. I'm about to raid Mamakirbs' sewing stash. Thanks :)
@@daddykirbs That's why I suggested the tackle box first. A small bluegill hook beats a cast iron skillet to the back of the head for bringing your sticky veil in the house and raiding the pin cushion.
I've always used pine needles for fuel. I would pack light the smoker, then cram it full, lasted a loooong time.
We don't really have pine needles here. I have tried dried cedar leaves and they work ok, but don't really keep a fire like the needles probably would.
I like the pine needles but hate the resin build up
HORIZONTAL HORIZONTAL HORIZONTAL 😃😃😃👍👍
Awesome looking colonies! Your bees are looking great Blake! Looks like they are making great progress! And yes, I watched from the beginning, LOL ;) In summary, your narration was: "more honey"... "more honey"... "ooops, sorry"... "hey a beetle"...."more honey" ... "another good frame" LOL ;) I'd like to insert constructive criticism at 28:03 simply to mention to be VERY CAREFUL about possibly rolling your queen when pulling frames like that!!! Instead (I recommend) pull outer-most frame first and work your way into the center. I only speak from personal experience. I know its a bad habit to break... Thanks for sharing your progress! Looking forward to the next video! 🐝☮️☯️
I value your input Mr. Tim! Thank you :)
Hey Tim!
Isn't there a device one puts between the supper and brood box to allow bees to leave the supper so you can harvest the honey?
Good day America. This is Lithuania. I want to ask you. Are Langstroth frames deep or medium in your hive? Thank you for the answer.
If it's not in your line of vision silicone fixed mine. Dab it on in a circular motion, let set then ad some from the other side. Fixed mine three years ago, still in fine shape.
Where did you get the plans to build the horizontal hives?
Dr. Leo Sharashkin's www.horizontalhive.com/index.shtml
There are plans for Swarm Traps, Hives, Frames, just about anything you might need. Lots of good information on natural beekeeping and you can buy complete setups too.
Would like to know how the horizontal built up for winter and how well they overwintered
Thank t was so much funNow I am hungry from looking at all that honey.MMMMMMMMM
honey.... yummm
Cool Video🐝🐝
I noticed there was very little brood in the horizontal hive. Did I misread that?
11:01 they seem to be building little areas hanging off the wax instead of filling out the frame. Not a beekeeper yet but I get the impression they dislike the foundation you're using.
Is that a thing? I've heard they don't like plastic and build wonky comb on it so they can deal with it as little as possible.
I'm still in the learning phase before I buy bees so I'm not suggesting you do anything I'm just asking questions. Really enjoying this channel BTW.
Ask anything. It's ok. I've heard they don't like plastic foundation as well, but that's not the case all the time. Many times they build on it just fine. Several beekeepers I know use the plastic, but add extra wax to it to help them get started and that works well for them.
Try using your horse dry poops to light your smoker and use it, you'll come back and thank me! I use my camels and goats and sometimes the cows.
I have done that and it works pretty well. Sometimes it takes more time to get started, but once lit it burns nicely.
Pine needles if you can get them
Have you tried mineral oil traps for hive beetles? I use the cloth and mineral oil to help combat those darn beetles.
I haven't used mineral oil. So... do you just soak a cloth with the oil and place it in the hive? How does that work? Are you going to the HOA next week?
Daddykirbs Farm - A Homesteading Story they make these little traps that you can place inside the hive and the beetles fall in it and can’t get out. I will be there! I’ll be speaking Saturday afternoon 😉
@@TheHoneystead I thought you on the schedule! It will be cool to meet all you famous people :)
Daddykirbs Farm - A Homesteading Story says the person who has 112k subs lol j/k I’m excited too!
I like your bee videos. You are very down to earth. You are learning from your mistakes and I believe that's the key to success. One suggestion; be sure to maintain proper bee space. Push your frames close together when you are done checking them. If they don't have extra space between frames, they won't draw out the comb so far.
I think where he is running into issues with the overdrawn comb stems from checkerboarding drawn frames with foundation only frames and the bees are just choosing to overdraw the comb instead of starting new comb on the neighboring frame....super common in you checkerboard too late in the year when the bees aren't of the mindset to draw out new frames
Thank you for that advice. I appreciate you watching and commenting to help me on my journey.
On your rips in your suit, use RTV gasket sealer from the auto parts store. I use it to stop fraying and seal holes in my coveralls Works great
when i used burlap...i found cutting a 10x10 piece and then cut that into 1 inch strips allow for a better burn as to a large piece ...did the superglue work?
I haven't tried the super glue yet. I keep forgetting to buy it when I go to the store. Thanks for the suggestion on the burlap!
Blake, why can you not leave a hive with one fewer than full for a while? Seems like if you have a hive that is doing well and you leave one frame out it would encourage building to fatter honey frames.
I think you can leave one out for a short time, but I wouldn't want to forget it :) I really don't want those fat frames. They get damaged too easily and I drip honey all over the place.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for being here :)
For a bee escape, you might consider a Porter Bee Escape or perhaps plastic Bee Escape Cones. (I have some of the metal screen ones, but I think they would get distorted during use.)
Thanks for your great videos.
I'll look them up, thanks!
Got to use the clear silicone goop. To repair your netting.....or sew it.
Hey y'all , me and some other beekeepers are starting to think bringing queen bees from other country's has a lot to do with our colony collapse problems. And the more of the non native bees we bring here are weakening our native bees every time a swarm gets loose into the wild. The Italian bees are use to a warmer climate, different vegetation. The Russian bees are the same thing. Different pollens coming out different times of year. Then we have to medicate our bees. We really need to try to start using our bees again which have naturally overcame all the pests and disease they have had to deal with. If we are having to medicate bees then they are getting into the wild and weakening our bees. Then who knows. Plus Native bees are much easier to raise.
I'm going to try to use native queens only. We'll see how it goes.
Daddykirbs Farm - A Homesteading Story good luck brother and thanks for the videos. Love your work.
It's true that feral survivor bees are area hardy, area thrifty, prolific, hygienic, are in tune with the natural cycles of the area and generally seem to be more docile with humans and more defensive toward robbers. I'm sure these things vary but the experience in South Louisiana and Central Texas leans really heavy to the above. I only keep feral survivors now for those reasons. I think you will have good success if you do a cut out or catch a swarm off of a feral survivor colony.
Hey bud, you've probably figured out by now how to make a bee escape but I thought I'd mention what we use and is very effective.
Drill approx. 1/2 inch hole (or multiple if need be but 1 should suffice). Then insert a 1/2 inch OD (outside diameter) tubing (about 2-3 inches long). The tube should stick towards the outside. For fellow europeans it's 12mm hole and 12mm OD, 8mm ID silicone tubing. Length is roughly 50mm.
This is just big enough for one bee to crawl out off (it won't let drones out) because they can grab on the tubing when crawling on the inside but they aren't able to land on the thin wall of the tubing to crawl in.
We use this as escapes when using pollen harvesters and it works very well.
Leave a bar out on the far end and leave an opening on that side, assuming you have a follower. Then the bees can get out that are trapped. That or leave the top of the hive cracked to aid in cooling.
oh, great idea to leave one open. Simple solutions. Thanks :)
Try the old-fashioned needle and thread. To seal the whole in the vail.
00:06 Beekeeping update without much equipment
02:57 Checking progress of bees in different hive types
06:13 Observations on the bee frames
10:36 Inspecting and managing beehives for honey production
14:29 Checking the bee hive for honey production and brood health.
18:26 Inspecting the beehive for honey and nectar levels.
21:47 Moving hive boxes to provide more space for bees.
25:28 Horizontal hives result in less aggressive behavior of bees compared to vertical hives.
30:01 Creating a hole in the screen to allow bees to get out
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I wanted to taste it too bees and all lol
so sweet and stingy
I totally understand I'm having to move my bees so I can harvest my garden without a bee suit or risking my life. or/and move my garden either way on 0.2 area of land I don't have to go far to be in either garden or beehive.
I've moved my beeyard twice. Hopefully I can stay here for a while, but now I'm finding that the horses can't enjoy that area anymore. I may move them again someday.
Carolyn Qammaz PA. My bees do not bother me while I am in the garden. They just fly around me, but have never stung me. I got concerned when they started to gather on the top rung of the swimming pool ladder to get a drink. I use Borax as one of my pool chemicals, and I thought it would kill them. I was doing everything I could to keep them away from the pool, but then found out that the amount of Borax in the water was not high enough to kill them. 🤗
In your layens hive, are those regular deep frames?
Fishing line will take care of holes in headgear
I'm telling Paul over at pine city apiary, you trapped bees under the lid.😃😃😃 He has horizontal hives. But he calls them top bar hives.
I've seen Pine City's channel, his top bars are pretty nice. Top bar hives have trapezoidal frames. The horizontal hives here are Long Langstroths and use the same rectangular frames as his Langstroths.
I tried that too but found it too hard to work the comb to extract honey. I build em now with regard deep frames. They fit in any type spinner.
@@danskisbees7348 I think I would like the type of horizontal hive your talking about better.
@@billmitchell7731 When I have time, I'd like to build one, I really like how I can interchange the frames with my Lamgstroths and you can extract them easily.
@@danskisbees7348 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great bee video, Blake. Where's your brush, to sweep them off the box before putting the lid down. I recalled the dude on Doug's video the other day saying, the best time to check the hives is in the middle of the day when most of the bees are out and about. Its easier to handle. Yum yum honey.
What kind of gloves are those?
In Texas : How long do you have brood being laid in the hive, does it ever stop? I mean with respect to the winter season as I do not know what Texan winters are like.
It slows down when it's really really hot and also when it gets cold in January-February time frame... at least that's what I've seem to notice.
For your tape solution.
If you add on the inside a tape too it has something to hold on. ;)
There is tape on the inside too. It's still not working. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought of that ;)
Good job keep making videos😊
Thank you :)
To fix the netting on your veil use a needle and thread...
Can those rips be repaired by sewing up with fishing line?
Yep, I'm trying that next. Thanks!
How do you know it is nector from flowers???
I guess what I meant was that it was NOT from sugar water. I know this because I'm not feeding them sugar water.
i'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination but i always see from the content providers i am subscribed to that to build comb you feed your bees 1:1 sugar water and they will build it and to my eye it looks like they just ran out of puff and could not build any more cause they ran out of wax or something and decided to just keep piling the honey onto one side in some really wonky comb. so i was wondering as i watched if you feed your bees to help them with comb building. i have watched several of your videos but i don't believe i have ever seen you feed your bees. also i was wondering if you are still in dearth because if you are then that is also a time to feed them. please can you help me understand. please explain in more detail what are the current conditions in your area and do you feed your bees at all? this will help me learn because i have never seen bees do that with their honey before. thanks :D
Sometimes I feed, but normally I don't. Thank you for the suggestions :)
Needle and thread for the veil. I love the Beatles, but not the Beetles. Long lang is calmer because only a part of the hive is open. Langs, the entire hive is open, and the girls get upset faster. I have noticed the same behavior with my top bars. I tried to remind you to bring replacement frames, but alas, I was not able to communicate it to you!
You have to yell louder! LOL
No pine needles for your smoker?
Hi Blake. Why are the bees building such thick combs?
quite likely because of the frames right next to them that don't have any drawn comb. Instead of drawing new comb the bees are using the space to further draw out existing comb. Not uncommon thing to happen particularly if you checkerboard some frames (drawn, not drawn, drawn, not drawn) after the time of year where bees are intentful about building new comb
@@hyfy-tr2jy ok, but isn't there a way to stop this as it looks like Blake does not reap the benefits of having both the frames filled with honey?
@@robertadriver6931 Likely the net volume of honey will be the same. It may be unsightly but it will be far easier for him to uncap to extract honey. Once he shaves down the overdrawn comb to get honey they will be nice and flush with the frame for further use. This, in fact, is done intentionally by many bee keepers who strive to make honey and will run a 10 frame super with only 9 frames spaced out a little further appart. This way the bees overdraw the comb due to the extra space, making it easier to upcap flush with the frame with one pass with a knife. If you have never tried to uncap comb where it is shorter than the frame is deep...trust me it is frustrating and time consuming.
@@hyfy-tr2jy this sure makes sense, sounds like this extra space between the frames makes for easier capping & harvesting whereby obtaining a higher quantity of honey in the long run
I'm not sure exactly, but I think sometimes they do that when they are working on one frame next to an empty frame... if they have the room they just fill it up.
Have you tried window screen repair tape.
I haven't. I may try that, but I think at this point I'm ready to just go with the needle and thread solution.
I like a little honey on my pancakes
Hi first time seeing your videos, nice work. As I watched the video , the frame condition and the way the bees were acting, I surmise that you were between honey flows at the time of filming. When you pulled out the honeycomb frames all of the honey is capped and the rest of the frame is dry, ie no fresh nectar on those honey only combs and not a lot of bee activity in the open comb sections. All of the honey was produced on the last honeyflow as well as the burr comb on the bottom of the frames. The fresh nectar and pollen is occurring near the brood nest to feed the new brood cycle.
I am not sure about the temperment of the bees relative to the hive styles. It's possible that the way they are being worked could explain the difference. In a horizontal hive you are typically working with only as small part of the hive at time. The rest of the frames are covered. In a Langstroth hive you disturb a whole super full of bees just to take the inner cover off. 10 frames are exposed to light, a big shock to the bees. Couple that with working them when there is a minimal honey flow that day and you can have testy bees.
When I have a 10 workers or more (not counting just saying) zigzaging, flying fast around me either that means I am in a particularly aggressive hive by nature, a queenless hive, or if its all the hives, especially when I've visited all of them, there is a honey dirth at that time. This is true whether I've used smoke properly or not. At least this is what I've seen in my experience!
Happy beekeeping
Try invisible thread so you can still see through.
Cool
coolness
Gorilla tape would seal that plus tape it on both sides so that it sticks to itself I you wanted something transparent you could try a polytunnel repair tape as an alternative.
Don’t try velcro, try everything else first. Then try try velcro, you’ll be glad you did.
I repaired screens by just stitching with black thread. Wasn’t difficult at all.
That's my next trick. I guess I just wanted it to be easier with tape LOL. You know what they say... If you don't have the time to do it right the first time you'll take the time to do it twice.
Have you seen the honey garlic ferment that Stacey has on the Off Grid with Doug and Stacey channel .non pasteurized honey like you have with fresh garlic and it takes about 3 months .For the first 7 to 8 days you turn it and release the gas every day. She has all the information on their channel .But supper healthy after it ferments.Check it out .
I will have to check that out. Doug and Stacy put out some pretty neat content :)
The last video I watched you had possible Africanized bees and they were MAD. These seem very docile. Gonna have to travel back in time to see if you finally killed off those mean ass bees.
Why don't you give your weak hive a frame of brood and a few nurse bees to boost it up?
Do you bother with checking for mites?
I don't. Someday I may discover how wrong I am for that, but I'm not going to put chemicals in the hives so I don't count them.
Daddykirbs Farm - A Homesteading Story You can do splits, cage the queen for brood break, brush a cup of powdered sugar into the frame spaces once a week. Lots of non-chemical ways to reduce mites. Hate to see colonies collapse due to lack of mite management. Good luck.
Yaaaaa bee keeping
Woo hoo!!!
Sew the holes up with thin fishing line right through the holes
Try stuffing more burlap in your smoker
Have you seen the work Paul Stamets has done with bees and mushrooms?
Get that burlap so the fire rises 3 times the size than it’s lit
Put drawn combs in that third box (super) and they won't draw out wonky comb.
I'll have to get into my beekeeping freezer and pull out some of those drawn frames. Thanks.
Think your right about bees temperament in horizontal hives, I’ve noticed in my 18 frame they’re never after or bouncing off me, I have one of those betterbee 18 frame horizontal Lang hive
Nice!
It’s totally understandable as you age to have a touch of CRS disease.
Ok, you got me... what is CRS disease?
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@@michaelmueller8976 Oh... yes sometimes that is the case. LOL
Try putting tape on both sides. Might get some sticky to sticky.
Yep, that's what I did and it still let loose
tweeted
sweet!
Do bees actually like those plastic frames? Some of your frames look like they're made of plastic in some of your hives.
28:51 B satisfied lol
I’m learning how to use long hives. Thanks
Me too! We can go on this journey together. Feel free to share your experiences here in the comments :)
live was telling you , just take the little peace of honey that broke off, and leave the other frames .... the energy you were talking about wasting to go get the new frames, think how the bees felt
Blake, you might try hot glue to fix your veil.
I hadn't thought of hot glue. Thanks. I think I'm just going to go with the needle and thread now.
I would suggest some beetle traps
I have some. I'll get them out and dust them off. For the most part I don't like the plastic traps that you fill with oil because they are a mess and I've seen very few beetles in them... but will give them another shot.
why do these guys never have good smoke?I dont understand the space suits and gloves
How do you get way without checking the brood nest?
I check them most of the time, but when there isn't a lot of pollen and nectar available and activity is fairly slow I sometimes skip digging around so deep in every hive.
ik im late to the party but hot glue from a glue gun works great repairing your vail
Instead of smoker try a mister with sugar water. Smoke pissed my bees off even more and makes honey smell like smoke. I don't know who came up with the idea to smoke entrances but it is not a good idea. Smoke makes bees run from it, I don't want bees running from the bottom to the top where I am about to work.
Didn't think you were whining at all. @28:17 the plastic frame has a lot of SHB's in those side rails. You can use caulk or something to plug that up. I won't use those for that reason. Bee escapes have only one way traffic.
buy the 2 pack fire starter lighters next time you're in the checkout is at walmart.
I'll have to look into that. Thanks
Burlap is good but old Bluejeans are better IMO.
Oh... nice tip. I'll need to start keeping old denim.
@@daddykirbs I would rip up a pair in the winter time and put it in a bucket in my beeyard. One time I went and not looking reached in and had a Blacksnake wrapped around my arm. I did the Curly Shuffle.