Hey Alec, shoot me a DM, I can possibly find you a relatively inexpensive VFD for he motor if you do go that route, also, that motor might be fine, you can probably disassemble the motor and rebuild it and weld on some new motor mounts, fixing old industrial equipment is kinda my jam, so I’d be happy to help you out!
Alec, the Chambersburg Engineering Co. assets were acquired by AjaxCeco in 2004. They have the parts list for your 300LB Chambersburg on their website. You may be able to get a new motor from them.
I know someone has already offered this but I literally live right down the street from your shop and I know a guy that can fix anything. He's a 75 year old genius with machines And we can do it for material cost. Maybe collaborate with my pathetic little youtube channel???? IDK just a thought.
If the motor was run for extended periods with a soft foot issue, then because its direct coupled the internal shaft bearings have taken a beating. The evidence is the cracked face plate. Once the motor case casting starts having fatigue failures, its not cost effective to repair compared to the cost of replacement. Also most rebuilt motors fail sooner than new. I would also get a millwright to laser align it, as most fatigue failures are due to improper installation.
Thank goodness you can tell what's going on here. So tough to see an amazing piece of equipment get worn so much from improper use. I really hope Alec and his team see you input my friend
From a civil engineering perspective I would put neoprene pads below the motor mount at the anchors and below the power hammer. This is done in bridge supports to allow for controlled expansion, keep water out from the joint and and to dampen vibrations. Based on your comment, the freedom of movement provided by the neoprene might cause further damage due to misalingment? Are there driving shafts that have a hinge in the middle to maintain restraint on the moment along the axis of the shaft but allow for movement perpendicular to this axis? This would prevent vibrations from transfering between the hammer and the motor along the shaft and might give higher tolerances for alignment.
@@alejandroochoa559 you are correct. Vibration foot mounts will reduce the frequency wear over time. But if it's gear meshed the movement would cause premature wear on the tooth face, as there's a specific pitch diameter that maximizes the strength of the sprocket. Any deviation and you could start hunting the gears, or you cause momentary impacts on the teeth. They are designed that as one tooth starts disengaging another is already engaged. This allows for continuous loading of the sprocket.
Actually, Bozeman/Belgrade is just North of Yellowstone, one of the most geologically active areas in North America. We have earthquakes all the time, they're just small.
The best options in my eyes are: 1. Repair the motor casing 2. Get a new motor and connect it to the hammer via gearbox A VFD to me sounds overkill since you don't need variable speed.
Also; as a European lawyer, does American contract law not require that either the shipper or the shipping company pay for it? If it was damaged beforehand or in transport. I would phone the shipper before unloading it from the truck.
I can't speak to the motor specification issues you mentioned. Yet, as a structural engineer I can tell you that damage is due to fatigue caused by vibrations from the power hammer hitting its own frame to which the motor is attached to. Whatever motor solution you choose I would place neoprene pads between the motor and the frame at the anchors to isolate the motor from vibrations. Additionally (I am not a mechanical engineer, so I don't know if this is possible) if you can get a shaft extension for your motor with a joint that has freedom of movement on a plane perpendicular to the axis of rotation with some sort of dampening in that x and y direction you could further isolate the motor from vibrations. Better than the neoprene pads, if you mount the hammer itself on a neoprene pad, and then the motor on neoprene pads at its feet directly onto the slab rather than the hammer's frame (less space efficient) the motor would be even further isolated from vibrations. Mounting the hammer on neoprene pads itself without moving the motor assembly onto its own pad on the slab would protect your concrete floor from damage and reduce the energy of reflected vibrations between the hammer and the concrete. This protects the hammer, the motor, and your floor and might even make the forging process smoother (not sure if the vibration of the hammer is noticeable on the piece while forging so it might be negligible on this aspect).
As a mechanical engineer student, we have learned that you can figure out the frequencies of the metal.Those cracks do look like the hammer could have had a busted regulator at one point, causing the hammer to hit harder than it should have. That metal is THICC and something like that takes a HUGE amount of force to break. However, you CAN repair it using a brazing method, tig method, and/or even a casting method. IF you make a mold of the broken areas, then shovel out what you believe the mount should look like, you can make a cast part to braze/ weld onto the old mount. I believe cast STEEL is the way you want. cast IRON would be too brittle. (i may have them swapped but you get the idea.). I'd also use polyurethane bushings on the feet of the motor mount cause they can take a heavy hit without flattening, and soak up some vibrations. Also, a motor of that age should be simple enough to take apart, clean it out, replace the brushes and wires, clean/replace old bearings, then put back together, IF the stator, windings, and rotor are in decent shape.
@@jrjtitanic LoL, as a welder and metallurgist I'm afraid that welding/brazing it up wouldn't do the trick, sadly, it would hold for a while but it would be a very temporary fix as would cause more damage. The casting could work, but you'd have to also know electronics to replace the insides as most likely they're toast from age. My great grandfather used to actually work with those power hammers, he was a blacksmith had his own shop, those power hammers would break down a lot due to the force and vibration and sadly usually shotty wiring, he had to replace several of motors from the insides failing. Unfortunately his shop along with most of his tools where destroyed by a tornadoe during a hurricane. All I have is a few tools and notes/receipts from when it was there. But welding even good welding wouldn't hold up for long.
@@bagelboi1283 thanks for your input. I can fully understsnd those things were too powerful for their own kind. Hopefully with today's manufactoring, they can get it to be reliable.
Me as a maintenance engineer would do these steps: Step 1. Try to start the motor If it does not work go for replacement or repair Step 2. If it works turn it off and remove the motor and start welding and filling in the cracks Step 3. Mount it back up secure it and run it again and leave it running for 10-20mins (do not use) we r observing the filled up cracks and wielded feet if the crack or break again. Step 4. If the filling and cracks are fine start using it make 3 different items Item 1 will be easy material (soft) Item 2 will be medium material (not soft not hard ok to forge) Item 3 will be made of the hardest material which will truly utilize its 165kg specs to the max Step 5. If it pass all these tests i would not worry about it and use it everyday
Is it advisable to weld cast iron when its subjected to such intense vibrations radiating back through the machine? Even if the weld is ground clean and pre/post heated, how likely is it to fail again?
@@Juice556 yes its fine the vibrations wont cause it to fail we wielded many SUV chasis for desert safari tour companies and they go through hell out in the desert everyday for 12hours...... Yes some of the welds have failed but it takes about 1 and half years or more.... Now there is and easy suloution to the vibration just build a cage in which the motor will live and Mount it on dampening rubber mounts like the ones used in cars to keep the car engine stable and reduce some to most of the vibrations
@@ehteshamkhan1992 No machinist, welder, or blacksmith will advocate welding cast iron. You can braze it but that wouldn't be strong enough in this application. When you weld cast all of the carbon rearranges itself and makes the areas around the weld very brittle and prone to cracking even just sitting still after it cools welded cast iron can and will crack just from normal daily temperature changes. Most 4x4 vehicle frames are stamped steel and can be welded without issues. I've never seen or heard of a modern vehicle with any kind of cast iron frame. Maybe some 100+ year old vehicles or horseless carriages from the early 1900s but even the Model T had a stamped steel frame. You can search in the youtube bar for all the reasons you should never weld cast and lots of those videos will show you examples of what happened when someone did weld it. Best case scenario here is the electric motor itself is good, they find a new case for it that is the same model and swap the good components over from the motor case with broken feet. That will be the cheapest option. This can't be repaired with any kind of security that it will hold. That is a huge motor and could cause bodily harm or even kill someone if it suddenly broke loose from someone trying to weld it.
@@velvetjones from the jobs i have done . your right cast iron is a prick to accomplish a perfect fusion but i can say iv done cast iron welds numerous times to solve an issue whilst replacements can be found. i think @DIY with ehte is correct and you can always make i case in the end get it going don't get stuck on find the best way
@@velvetjones Would these feet take tremendous loads? Sure its a beefy motor but it wont be a bazzilion Nm; the feet have the size they do more to facilitate the casting process than anything id say. Brazing can be close enough to the strength of cast iron, and there is plenty of surface area to work with. I am no expert by any means, but id be more scared of the business end of this machine...
I don't know if this is already in the comments but Alec if the damages weren't marked on the bill of lading prior to shipment the the trucking company's insurance is liable for the damages and are obligated to make it right. If it was marked damaged when he loaded it then it's between you and the shipper. Hope this helps good luck buddy. Keep the content coming I love it.
@@johnlieske8908 that may very well be but if that's the case then he should've already known about them hence they would be marked on the bill for transport and he wouldn't have been so upset nor would he have bought a broken machine. If it wasn't then yes it did happen during transport and his insurance is liable
One of my favorite things about this channel is how much you appreciate old machinery. I, too, LOVE old tools - there’s just something so satisfying about quality metal tools designed for function and longevity.
Alec during forging projects: I'm going to be busy in the office for a long time. Alec now: *sits around throwing stones while waiting for the new powerhammer*
Set it up like your Anyang with a pulley and a side mounted motor. You can pick your speed with pulley selection and probably need less motor with the gear down . And you will get it closer to the wall?
For those saying weld it . How often have you welded cast? And what was your success rate ? In my experience it’s 50/50 in a non stress application. This however is an extremely high stress application . Therefore demounting the motor from the hammer is desirable as the shock stress won’t travel through a belt drive.
@@user-xk8jn7iw3u Gorged motor casing vs cast motor casing... now witch is weaker?. If you are worried, then bolt extra tie flatbars to keep motor from moving.
That's what I was thinking... it is the casing... the electrical is probably still fine... or it might not need any fixes... I could see someone just using that motor as is. Hahaha.
The other day I was in my work truck and saw that huge power hammer. I thought "That is awesome! Super cool to then load TH-cam and see that hammer on your channel. Congrats!
JohnSmith FakeName I wonder if he understands that reference, being from the UK? I do, and it’s exactly what I thought! Will needs to educate Alec in the ways of 90s TV sitcoms.... or Mrs. Steele does.
Born and Raised in Chambersburg, PA and still live here. I drive past this plant weekly. They no longer make power hammers sadly another company bought it but it still stands.
The 4th video not about the Zweihander makes me feel like something could have gone wrong with that and they're working on a fix to get it back up to where they were, like the Swordbreaker. I hope not though, poor Will with all that handsanding.
ApeOfJustice on the video yo clearly can see that the whole workshop was disassembled to make space to receive the new equipment, so you can be at ease, nothing happened. They just need to put everything back together in order to be able to work again.
Poor Alec on an emotional roller coaster. This video kinda hurts my heart. Already watched the next one though, so very proud it turned into a learning experience
I grew up being told something similar but easier to remember. “The only difference between men and boys, is the size of their feet and the price of their toys.”
*glances at the railroad track and large rock I use as anvils and the paint can stuffed with insulation that I use for a forge* I’ve definetely got a ways to go, but I dream of one day reaching the levels you have reached Alec!!!! 😃
the motor can be repaired. The casting can be welded by someone who knows what there doing. Also i reallly recommend you dont put the hammer really close to anything else. you want a clear space around the hammer if your working a big hammer. i know this cause i have a 5cwt massey haha
Alternate take on getting her up and running: Welding the cracks on the motor mounts/housing has been suggested. New motor with VFD has been suggested... So, how about new motor with a reduction gearbox?
I remember fixing an electric motor attachment points. But that was years ago. I just cut plate steel, welded to the motor housing, and machined the bottom of the pads flat and parallel. You should be able to fix it or get it fixed. The old low speed motors are really hard to find or even purchase as everyone who has one does not want to get rid of something he has a spare for. Good luck blacksmith. P.S. Love the Chambersburg hammer.
If nothing else make a Plata that matches the bolt pattern cut the original mount off and A Tig weld it to the old housing. B brase it. C make the new plate and large thick bands to clamp it to the base like a fuel tank but heavy duty 3/8 or so
Alec, the trucking company carries min. Of $100k cargo insurance. If you talked directly with a broker or a carrier you need to send them the footage and contact with them. If it was damaged in transit the trucking company is responsible. If you were working with a broker they are supposed to have a insurance certificate on file naming their company and or your name as a certificate holder for them. That way you can file it on their insurance if they are refusing to file it themselves.
Torque is what broke the mounts. That "motor" has a sh** ton of Torque. Even if you could get a replacement foot unless you put it on a soft mount it will happen again. Updated to reflect the correct spelling of Torque.
The motor casting at the feet almost looks thick enough to drill and tap new mounting holes in the casting. You can also fab straps to tie down the motor. You can machine a new motor adapter out of plate steel for the front by the output shaft....just a thought.......
Alec: that's thousands and thousands of dollars. Come on Alec you're in the US now so just duct tape it. Really you probably could take the motor apart and braze some new mounts to the casings.
@@alejandroochoa559 I was referring to likeable villains like Tom Hiddleston, Alan Rickman or Ben Kingsley. But yeah... I guess so. He is more buffoon than mastermind though
Worst-case scenario - if the electrical side of the motor is all good then a machine shop should be able to repair or manufacture the parts that are cracked. Especially since you have the parts for them to get measurements from to make new ones if needed. It's just metalwork. If your shop had more precise machines you could do it. (I would recommend getting a machine shop though so they can get an engineer involved if needed and know that the new parts will hold the duty cycle required.)
Big things are happening! I just got home from making a massive upgrade for my ranch, a 6x6 Polaris Ranger. This will change so much for what we can and cannot do. I love to see I am not the only one hyper-excited for something so simple! Can't wait to see what you can do with this machine!
Instead of using a vfd could you use a gearbox and gear it down to the right rpm it would also as torque to the motor and make it so it doesn’t have to work so hard
The motor speed is dictated by its No of poles. Higher poles mean lower speed (but increase the motor torque). I could tell you exactly by looking at the rating plate. No need for a VFD, i have seen bigger motors than this wired direct online though if its wiried to run in delta would include a star/delta started to keep the initial starting surge down.
That's what I was thinking. Works for most motors so why not on the power hammer. I've seen brazings that have been in place for 15+ plus years on parts that go through some really rough conditions
Alec, I was almost tearing up for you. We all feel your pain. Old machinery though was built to be fixed so I have a good feeling about you being able to rebuilt the motor
Miguel Rojas nah, Alec and Will are about 3 feet tall each. It’s quite incredible, really. Have you seen their Zweihander project? It’s nearly 4 and a half feet tall!
I guarantee you a video of you cleaning up the power hammer, making it look like new would do very well. Tool restoration videos are so satisfying to watch and that hammer could use a good cleaning up anyways, ESPECIALLY once you work out what you are gonna do about the motor. Showing it before all busted up and grimy and then after restoration, the working end product would be a great video (or series)!
Well for the motor: that seems to be an inductionmotor. Those are pretty well standardised, so it is actually possible, that you can get replacement parts. And for the speed: the speed of an inductionmotor ist determined by the frequency, as you mention with that vfd, an its number of poles. For example a 2 pole motor always runs at close to 3600 rpm and a 4 pole close to 1800rpm.(a little bit less but that would be to much here)The power, the motor is rated at doesn't effect that at all. So maybe you have a unusual number of poles, which is why you cant find replacement motors. Hope this was helpful though you electrician should have already told you this
It's a beautiful machine, for sure, and I totally get the dreams of bigger and more extreme equipment... But can you explain what it'll be able to do, that your current one can't? Is it about the volume of material moved with every blow?
Just from logic I would say that when working with larger volumes of metal it is much slower to heat them to forging temperatures. At some point the amount of blows you need to deform larger volumes becomes large enough that the number of heatings needed will increase and efficiency will quickly decrease, specially since the more contact the piece has with the metal hammer the more heat it loses and since heating time increases relating to the volume (mass with constant density) while the heating capacity increases with the area.
@@alejandroochoa559 Perhaps it is also with view of the production blacksmith Alec talked about so that there is just a more efficient way to produce large quantities of rought forged things like hammers or drifts etc. that work with rather big stock
I miss the old days of this channel, back when Alec made his own security bars on his workshop door, the dirt floors, the raw unedited hammering at the anvil, no over the top American silliness, just a young man who loved his craft and because of that we loved watching. Don't get me wrong i like the new direction the channel is taking in a certain way, i do like Will a lot too. But for me back then there was less acting and more genuine soul and love put into the craft.. much love from Ireland Alec and community ✌️
I'd let this old and broken motor sit where it is (as ballast, but detach the drivetrain) cause it looks oldsCOOL. A new motor would sit beside the machine and deliver its power via Drivebelt(s), Chain or cardan shaft. 15HP are not that much to transfer, but You'll need the fitting power characteristics (RPM and Torque) to drive that beast of a powerhammer. So placing a new motor beside the machine gives You the mechanical variability for size and drive-connection so that You can better focus for the power characteristics of the new motor... I guess that torque is way more important than HP, so why not choosing a faster turning motor and attach it to a gearbox to get the needed RPM's? With motor beside the machine, You can choose even a steam engine attached to a Truck variomatic gearbox (so You'd even have a clutch!) if You prefer... ;) Other idea: Maybe use the broken motor and fix the broken parts in a heavy welded frame-box (kind of an exo-skeleton*) that keeps the parts in place? If the broken (but frame-fixed) motor sits no longer on the neck of the powerhamer, where it is exposed to heavy vibrations, it can maybe keep on doing his work without any issues... (* did You see Matt Damon in it's 2013 Sci-Fi movie "Elysium"? Keeping the old motor together in a frame that looks like this (of course "a bit" more massive) would look extraordinary! I know somebody who's certainly able to forge cool bone-like looking strunts for such an exo-skeleton framework. You see him in the mirror when You're shaving Your face... ;) ) What ever solution You choose (I'm curious to see!) , I hope You can soon use the beast! Looking forward.
That sucks that is came in the shape it did. I hope that you are able to get it repaired/upgraded soon! Looking forward to seeing how this machine comes back to life!
You'll find plenty of folk in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Idaho that can fix damn near anything. You're in a good area to get old equipment up and running again. Keep up the good work, stay safe, stay WELL. That's one impressive chunk of metal. Have fun!!!
Alec: "I need to buy and ship something new!" *makes order* *gets new equipment damaged in shipping* Signs your watching alec steele: damaged freight, and broken projects that are almost done.. Yup, I will still keep watching!!
That hammer is NOT new by any means. They dont make em like that anymore! That motor was likely built to come apart and be rebuilt. New mounts can be welded on during that process...check the casing for cracks and such while you have it apart. weld them up.
@@ChrisJones-qw7bn they show it cracked in the motor case also 11:34 although it was repaired before it is an unknown for how well it will hold up over time, also it is cast-iron so it needs special care when welding ( brazing would probably be the best way ) but it could be a possible fix if done correctly. cost and durability of any repair vs getting new / used motor would be the question though.
Judging by the amount of rust, those amounts have been broken for a while. The vendor should’ve told you of the damage and I wouldn’t have accepted it without contacting them first.
If you do go the route of replacing the motor and housing, you could probably go with a much smaller motor attached to a reduction gearbox. Since, as you say, the existing motor would have a much lower RPM, you could just reduce the speed of a smaller motor to get equivalent torque. That would also let you use the same mounting area for both the gearbox and motor, and you might even be able to get the entire thing pre-assembled.
Alec, unless I missed something the only issue with the motor is the feet and steel housing. As long as the guts are still functioning you should be able to just fix the metal. If that is the case you should be able to find a industrial welder who could weld/fix/replace the feet and weld up any of the other cracks if you don't feel up to it yourself. In Montana there ought to be someone with experience maybe in more towards the heavy equipment side such as farming and mining equipment. It would at least be worth a look.
Looking at the damage you have there, from what I can see you can more than likely repair it should it be necessary. The feet are the easy bit, that's just a matter of cleaning up the casting, brazing on some new ones and milling them into a plane. The damage to the cage is a bit harder, but not unachievable. Again braze it but you will then need to have the alignment of the bearings checked and if you're going in that far it would be silly not to replace the bearings on the rotor at the same time, which can have issues with shaft wear etc. It would be a time consuming and expensive repair to undertake, more so if there is any kind of electrical problems as well, insulation resistance being the main concern. You'll probably find it far simpler just to replace the motor, the rpm won't be much of a problem, you'll be able to find one easily enough.
I built asphalt plants and quarry’s etc , you can just mount an inline speed reducer with a regular 15/20hp 1750rpm with the room you have , also someone would most likely in the area repair or rebuild the motor you have , it’s not a huge ordeal but definitely a good buck for a new motor , I used to source motors on EBay , Actually I have a guy local to me that has probably 500 odd electric motors on hand for practically nothing due to him sourcing warehouse and factory close downs and clean outs , what rpm I wonder ? 1100 ? Or 875 ish 🤔
easy to fix.. disassemble strip grind out big fillets, tig with nickel rod, or just bronze braze, then braze on a strap of steel across the cracks. Ideally strap is tapered at the ends and thick enough that it can take all the load even without the crack being fixed. While it is apart inspect and replace if needed brushes and bearings and have a motor shop rewind if necessary. You can do it. it is metal.
Hi mate it might be not cost effective to repair the motor just because it's very old so parts would have to be custom made. Forget about VFD as it doesn't make sense here. Cheap solution for application is a motor with a gearbox with required ratio or motor with more windings(usually motors have 8 windings but you can find some with 12 windings or more) because more windings gives slower RPM still 3phase ofcourse it's just different design but price may kill you. Stick with motor and gearbox as it's industry standard solution and new motors are very efficient and she'll be alright. Take care mate.
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Hey Alec, shoot me a DM, I can possibly find you a relatively inexpensive VFD for he motor if you do go that route, also, that motor might be fine, you can probably disassemble the motor and rebuild it and weld on some new motor mounts, fixing old industrial equipment is kinda my jam, so I’d be happy to help you out!
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And if it's to much work to fix I actually spec these type of motors in for a living so I can definitely help out on going down the new route
Could You build a new housing for this motor? Keep rotator, stator and build around it, scrap the casting, so You don't have to weld/braze it.
This dude is right I've seen worse motors fixed.
Alec, the Chambersburg Engineering Co. assets were acquired by AjaxCeco in 2004. They have the parts list for your 300LB Chambersburg on their website. You may be able to get a new motor from them.
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I know someone has already offered this but I literally live right down the street from your shop and I know a guy that can fix anything. He's a 75 year old genius with machines And we can do it for material cost. Maybe collaborate with my pathetic little youtube channel???? IDK just a thought.
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If the motor was run for extended periods with a soft foot issue, then because its direct coupled the internal shaft bearings have taken a beating. The evidence is the cracked face plate. Once the motor case casting starts having fatigue failures, its not cost effective to repair compared to the cost of replacement. Also most rebuilt motors fail sooner than new. I would also get a millwright to laser align it, as most fatigue failures are due to improper installation.
Thank goodness you can tell what's going on here. So tough to see an amazing piece of equipment get worn so much from improper use. I really hope Alec and his team see you input my friend
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From a civil engineering perspective I would put neoprene pads below the motor mount at the anchors and below the power hammer. This is done in bridge supports to allow for controlled expansion, keep water out from the joint and and to dampen vibrations. Based on your comment, the freedom of movement provided by the neoprene might cause further damage due to misalingment? Are there driving shafts that have a hinge in the middle to maintain restraint on the moment along the axis of the shaft but allow for movement perpendicular to this axis? This would prevent vibrations from transfering between the hammer and the motor along the shaft and might give higher tolerances for alignment.
@@alejandroochoa559 you are correct. Vibration foot mounts will reduce the frequency wear over time. But if it's gear meshed the movement would cause premature wear on the tooth face, as there's a specific pitch diameter that maximizes the strength of the sprocket. Any deviation and you could start hunting the gears, or you cause momentary impacts on the teeth. They are designed that as one tooth starts disengaging another is already engaged. This allows for continuous loading of the sprocket.
So when earthquakes are being reported from Montana, we'll know Alec is hammering away.
Find the epicenter is his shop, geologists will come over and bring it up, and all he’ll have to say is “what are you talking about?”
🤣🤣👍😉 I'll have my brother-in-law up/over in Kalispell keep his ear to the ground and let you know!😆😉👍
Actually, Bozeman/Belgrade is just North of Yellowstone, one of the most geologically active areas in North America. We have earthquakes all the time, they're just small.
@@NotRealSomethingName yeah them small earthquakes are just Alec's previous power hammer's the smaller ones. Just wait until he fires this bad boy up!
I’m probably half an hour away from him, i’ll tell you if i feel anything
The best options in my eyes are:
1. Repair the motor casing
2. Get a new motor and connect it to the hammer via gearbox
A VFD to me sounds overkill since you don't need variable speed.
I miss the pilkington, and I miss the livestreams. The hours of no music, uncut sounds of the forge, the power hammer, and the anvil.
This. The livestreams were extremely comfy
And the dirt floor with the self made security barred door at the old barker st forge.
Didn't Mr P end up with Nate's Forge?
And taking a swig of orange juice every time Alec drops something.
Me too! Content is sparse.
Let’s fix it Alec! It doesn’t look to difficult. It’s about time I come for a visit anyway. Jason
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It's like the adult version of getting a toy for Christmas and not having batteries to use it.
Except the batteries are 5000 dollars
Contact Flanders electric. I work in their Florida shop. We can rebuild the entire motor top to bottom and ensure it works for you.
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Also; as a European lawyer, does American contract law not require that either the shipper or the shipping company pay for it? If it was damaged beforehand or in transport. I would phone the shipper before unloading it from the truck.
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I can't speak to the motor specification issues you mentioned. Yet, as a structural engineer I can tell you that damage is due to fatigue caused by vibrations from the power hammer hitting its own frame to which the motor is attached to. Whatever motor solution you choose I would place neoprene pads between the motor and the frame at the anchors to isolate the motor from vibrations. Additionally (I am not a mechanical engineer, so I don't know if this is possible) if you can get a shaft extension for your motor with a joint that has freedom of movement on a plane perpendicular to the axis of rotation with some sort of dampening in that x and y direction you could further isolate the motor from vibrations. Better than the neoprene pads, if you mount the hammer itself on a neoprene pad, and then the motor on neoprene pads at its feet directly onto the slab rather than the hammer's frame (less space efficient) the motor would be even further isolated from vibrations. Mounting the hammer on neoprene pads itself without moving the motor assembly onto its own pad on the slab would protect your concrete floor from damage and reduce the energy of reflected vibrations between the hammer and the concrete. This protects the hammer, the motor, and your floor and might even make the forging process smoother (not sure if the vibration of the hammer is noticeable on the piece while forging so it might be negligible on this aspect).
As a mechanical engineer student, we have learned that you can figure out the frequencies of the metal.Those cracks do look like the hammer could have had a busted regulator at one point, causing the hammer to hit harder than it should have. That metal is THICC and something like that takes a HUGE amount of force to break. However, you CAN repair it using a brazing method, tig method, and/or even a casting method.
IF you make a mold of the broken areas, then shovel out what you believe the mount should look like, you can make a cast part to braze/ weld onto the old mount. I believe cast STEEL is the way you want. cast IRON would be too brittle. (i may have them swapped but you get the idea.). I'd also use polyurethane bushings on the feet of the motor mount cause they can take a heavy hit without flattening, and soak up some vibrations.
Also, a motor of that age should be simple enough to take apart, clean it out, replace the brushes and wires, clean/replace old bearings, then put back together, IF the stator, windings, and rotor are in decent shape.
Ners
@@jrjtitanic LoL, as a welder and metallurgist I'm afraid that welding/brazing it up wouldn't do the trick, sadly, it would hold for a while but it would be a very temporary fix as would cause more damage. The casting could work, but you'd have to also know electronics to replace the insides as most likely they're toast from age. My great grandfather used to actually work with those power hammers, he was a blacksmith had his own shop, those power hammers would break down a lot due to the force and vibration and sadly usually shotty wiring, he had to replace several of motors from the insides failing. Unfortunately his shop along with most of his tools where destroyed by a tornadoe during a hurricane. All I have is a few tools and notes/receipts from when it was there. But welding even good welding wouldn't hold up for long.
@@bagelboi1283 thanks for your input. I can fully understsnd those things were too powerful for their own kind. Hopefully with today's manufactoring, they can get it to be reliable.
@@jrjtitanic nerd
the editing on this video is amazing, everything comes together perfectly to give us a great experience... this is high-quality content!!
Me as a maintenance engineer would do these steps:
Step 1. Try to start the motor
If it does not work go for replacement or repair
Step 2. If it works turn it off and remove the motor and start welding and filling in the cracks
Step 3. Mount it back up secure it and run it again and leave it running for 10-20mins (do not use) we r observing the filled up cracks and wielded feet if the crack or break again.
Step 4. If the filling and cracks are fine start using it make 3 different items
Item 1 will be easy material (soft)
Item 2 will be medium material (not soft not hard ok to forge)
Item 3 will be made of the hardest material which will truly utilize its 165kg specs to the max
Step 5. If it pass all these tests i would not worry about it and use it everyday
Is it advisable to weld cast iron when its subjected to such intense vibrations radiating back through the machine? Even if the weld is ground clean and pre/post heated, how likely is it to fail again?
@@Juice556 yes its fine the vibrations wont cause it to fail we wielded many SUV chasis for desert safari tour companies and they go through hell out in the desert everyday for 12hours...... Yes some of the welds have failed but it takes about 1 and half years or more.... Now there is and easy suloution to the vibration just build a cage in which the motor will live and Mount it on dampening rubber mounts like the ones used in cars to keep the car engine stable and reduce some to most of the vibrations
@@ehteshamkhan1992 No machinist, welder, or blacksmith will advocate welding cast iron. You can braze it but that wouldn't be strong enough in this application. When you weld cast all of the carbon rearranges itself and makes the areas around the weld very brittle and prone to cracking even just sitting still after it cools welded cast iron can and will crack just from normal daily temperature changes.
Most 4x4 vehicle frames are stamped steel and can be welded without issues. I've never seen or heard of a modern vehicle with any kind of cast iron frame. Maybe some 100+ year old vehicles or horseless carriages from the early 1900s but even the Model T had a stamped steel frame.
You can search in the youtube bar for all the reasons you should never weld cast and lots of those videos will show you examples of what happened when someone did weld it.
Best case scenario here is the electric motor itself is good, they find a new case for it that is the same model and swap the good components over from the motor case with broken feet. That will be the cheapest option. This can't be repaired with any kind of security that it will hold. That is a huge motor and could cause bodily harm or even kill someone if it suddenly broke loose from someone trying to weld it.
@@velvetjones from the jobs i have done . your right cast iron is a prick to accomplish a perfect fusion but i can say iv done cast iron welds numerous times to solve an issue whilst replacements can be found. i think @DIY with ehte is correct and you can always make i case in the end get it going don't get stuck on find the best way
@@velvetjones Would these feet take tremendous loads? Sure its a beefy motor but it wont be a bazzilion Nm; the feet have the size they do more to facilitate the casting process than anything id say. Brazing can be close enough to the strength of cast iron, and there is plenty of surface area to work with. I am no expert by any means, but id be more scared of the business end of this machine...
Alec is solving problems..
"If it doesn't work you need a bigger hammer"
I know this route, it never fails!
@PJ Almighty nah that's not a problem.. there will be a lot of sparkies that's all.. ohh this hammer is huge 😳😉
It's the first rule of engineering
that sounds like Jeremy Clarkson... kinda like it
damn this was one hell of a rollercoaster..... looking forward to "forging a 1940s motor, part 37"
Casting
Next week: “Forging a 14ft life size Optimus Prime sword, part 1/235”
Oooooo in Damascus👍🏻
Nailed it
Only 235 episodes?
jelle hoeks yeah, it doesn’t have any gemstones in it.
I dare you !
"All electric motor service" Puyallup Washington. They have been around since the 1930's. They can help.. just say Mark Aldrich sent you.
Mr. Aldrich bump
Bump
Bump
bumping
BUMP!!
"but it doesn't stop you from craving more weight ... more power"
Alec is a Sith 😃
Jeremy Clarkson would be proud
Who's Alex?
nah...he's low key becoming Sauron though :)
Clearly the only real solution is to run it off a 15HP Hit and Miss engine...
Ive seen a 15 HP hit and miss engine and its bigger than that power hammer!
That would be absolutely insane and it must be done! Hahaha
Perhaps it would be easier for him to source scale parts if he had a scaling banana like yours
When are you going to do a collaboration with Alec Steele?
No, a water wheel.
I don't know if this is already in the comments but Alec if the damages weren't marked on the bill of lading prior to shipment the the trucking company's insurance is liable for the damages and are obligated to make it right. If it was marked damaged when he loaded it then it's between you and the shipper. Hope this helps good luck buddy. Keep the content coming I love it.
The cracks on the motor is from the shock of the hammer .
The trucking company had nothing to do with it .
@@johnlieske8908 that may very well be but if that's the case then he should've already known about them hence they would be marked on the bill for transport and he wouldn't have been so upset nor would he have bought a broken machine. If it wasn't then yes it did happen during transport and his insurance is liable
Honestly feel like this guy is Harry Potter, if Hagred had told him "You're a blacksmith" instead
Alec is rapidly becoming the Jeremy Clarkson of blacksmithing. Powerrrrrrr!!! If you can’t fix it with a hammer, use a bigger hammer!
SPEEEEEEEEED AND POWEEEEEER!!!!!!!
"You know, men. When we want a job done right and we want it done quick, what do we need?" "MORE POWER!!" - Tim Taylor, Home Improvement
@FM LR Was just about to say, there's only 1 person that can say it the right way... "MOAAR POWAAAH" :)
I think you meant to credit him by his official name, "Tim, the tool man, taylor" argh argh argh
One of my favorite things about this channel is how much you appreciate old machinery. I, too, LOVE old tools - there’s just something so satisfying about quality metal tools designed for function and longevity.
Send the motor to Handtool Rescue, he'll probably get it repaired and running for you! And I'd like to see the video on that :D
I agree !
He should have some great ideas to fix it.
In that time alec could put on a series to clean, fix and repaint the rest of the machine.
Actually, I had the same idea to share xD
I recon HTR would take it apart, weld or braze the broken housing and recondition all the coils and input side of the wiring harness
That's probably one of the best ideas here. Many old motors are surprisingly easy to fix because they were made to be fixed.
@@ehsnils true, good old times...
9:50 Alec gets flashbacks of the lathe and mill incident.
Yup exactly. He was completely destroyed. Wonder if it was partially done in shipping?
Next Alec forging experiment: “welcome back ladies and gentlemen we are so excited to have you here, because today we are forging a MAIN BATTLE TANK”
Aedyn Langstaff in one heat!
More like forging new armour plates for Colin Furzes tank!
my
i thought it would be "welcome back ladies and gentlemen it is fantastic to have you here.."
Alec during forging projects: I'm going to be busy in the office for a long time.
Alec now: *sits around throwing stones while waiting for the new powerhammer*
Set it up like your Anyang with a pulley and a side mounted motor. You can pick your speed with pulley selection and probably need less motor with the gear down . And you will get it closer to the wall?
rory lobban either that or an in-line torque multiplier gear box with a smaller motor.
That mound is weld able
that will be very expensive, the motor could be welded
Came here to say this as well!
For those saying weld it . How often have you welded cast? And what was your success rate ? In my experience it’s 50/50 in a non stress application. This however is an extremely high stress application . Therefore demounting the motor from the hammer is desirable as the shock stress won’t travel through a belt drive.
Whats that blacksmith motto? “You need a part, make a part” 🤔
Its tool not part
*proceeds to forge a motor*
that's great until something goes wrong and you have a 500lb motor throwing itself across your workshop lol
@@user-xk8jn7iw3u Gorged motor casing vs cast motor casing... now witch is weaker?. If you are worried, then bolt extra tie flatbars to keep motor from moving.
That's what I was thinking... it is the casing... the electrical is probably still fine... or it might not need any fixes... I could see someone just using that motor as is. Hahaha.
A restoration series would be very nice, painting the machine and stuff
The other day I was in my work truck and saw that huge power hammer. I thought "That is awesome! Super cool to then load TH-cam and see that hammer on your channel. Congrats!
I’ll admit that “tumble weed” made me actually laugh out loud.
i loved it man
Alec...you could strip the motor and repair the casting by silicon bronze welding it together again....cheap and strong fix
Ya, it's fatigue from sudden starts and stops causing high impulse forces, a cheap soft start would eliminate that.
Kev W if it’s cast iron that may be the best option, but if it broke like that from new bronze brazing still won’t be as strong.
I don't think silicon bronze would do it, but ER70 or NiRod, and someone experienced in welding castings probably would.
Find a woman who looks at you the way Alec looks at his power hammers.
Hahaha
impossible !
Bruh he liked it 😂😂😂
@@rakshas1340 yea but nahhh
This model was made for working through three shifts...
So sad seeing the Fairbanks hammer knowing what just happened... I really hope he was able to fix it
When all you have is a 300 pound power hammer, everything looks like a ... well it will look flatter real soon.
Like a 300 pound nail!
_Thinks back to the safety episode where they stuck a fake arm in the pilkington..._
We may need a new demonstration...
Alec Steel has gone the route of "Tim the tool man Taylor." More power Grunt, Grunt, Grunt!
"I don't think so Alex..."
JohnSmith FakeName I wonder if he understands that reference, being from the UK?
I do, and it’s exactly what I thought!
Will needs to educate Alec in the ways of 90s TV sitcoms.... or Mrs. Steele does.
Born and Raised in Chambersburg, PA and still live here. I drive past this plant weekly. They no longer make power hammers sadly another company bought it but it still stands.
ask abom 79 about motor mounts he'll have some good solutions i am sure
Abom and his wife would probably enjoy a trip to Montana as well as collaborating on a vid.
exactly my thoughts. ill coment on the main for more visibility.
i was about to post the same thing. i would love to see a colaboration.
Yes Alec Abom 79 Is a Great Advice.
6:21 can we give some love to Jaimie for being the last sensible person behind this channel?
Krekkertje I’d take some nascar now with the start of F1 being delayed.
I don't know how you looks so inspiring in your photos... added to your natural and energetic way...
Greetings from CR!
Coming soon: "Today's episode is part 14 of our build of a full-sized replica of the battleship Yamato ..."
out of one f***ing piece
Next: Rebuilding the German Battleship named Bismarck full-sized out of 1 Piece.
I'll do u One better "the fucking titanic"
...and it will go to SPACE!
revolcane roll the intro
The 4th video not about the Zweihander makes me feel like something could have gone wrong with that and they're working on a fix to get it back up to where they were, like the Swordbreaker. I hope not though, poor Will with all that handsanding.
ApeOfJustice on the video yo clearly can see that the whole workshop was disassembled to make space to receive the new equipment, so you can be at ease, nothing happened. They just need to put everything back together in order to be able to work again.
You just jinxed us all. Thanks alot
Poor Alec on an emotional roller coaster. This video kinda hurts my heart. Already watched the next one though, so very proud it turned into a learning experience
As my dad once told me
"The only difference between boys and men is the price of their toys"
So true!
That and how dangerous said toys are.
I grew up being told something similar but easier to remember.
“The only difference between men and boys, is the size of their feet and the price of their toys.”
I always say, boys never grow up, the toys just get bigger and more expensive
This just about explains my dad..
*glances at the railroad track and large rock I use as anvils and the paint can stuffed with insulation that I use for a forge* I’ve definetely got a ways to go, but I dream of one day reaching the levels you have reached Alec!!!! 😃
Crazy Tom alec*
@@cjoe5977 lol
That's crazy talk Crazy Tom!
C Joe heck!!! Lemme fix that. Damn autocorrect
Using a rock for an anvil is the Viking way.
There's a company in Lubbock Texas that rebuilds or will even custom build electric motors. That motor can be repaired.
the motor can be repaired. The casting can be welded by someone who knows what there doing. Also i reallly recommend you dont put the hammer really close to anything else. you want a clear space around the hammer if your working a big hammer. i know this cause i have a 5cwt massey haha
When it gets operational, I vote for its name to be Lord Chambersburg!
Should name it Ben, after the man who helped found Chambersburg, Pennsylvania where it is from.
I prefer smashy McSmash face
Alternate take on getting her up and running: Welding the cracks on the motor mounts/housing has been suggested. New motor with VFD has been suggested... So, how about new motor with a reduction gearbox?
I remember fixing an electric motor attachment points. But that was years ago. I just cut plate steel, welded to the motor housing, and machined the bottom of the pads flat and parallel. You should be able to fix it or get it fixed. The old low speed motors are really hard to find or even purchase as everyone who has one does not want to get rid of something he has a spare for. Good luck blacksmith. P.S. Love the Chambersburg hammer.
Unfortunatly, the motor housing is probably made of cast iron wich is a pain in the ass to weld.
You could totally rotate it so the broken mounts are up and build a cradle for it. I mean, he does make things out of metal, amiright?
Could he braze with bronze wire? I did a lot of bronze brazing this summer. Worked great!
If nothing else make a Plata that matches the bolt pattern cut the original mount off and A Tig weld it to the old housing. B brase it. C make the new plate and large thick bands to clamp it to the base like a fuel tank but heavy duty 3/8 or so
@@Loeka974 They make special SAMW rods that would do just that. Good day.
Full Jeremy Clarkson approach: SPEED AND POWER
The HAMMAHH
Alec, the trucking company carries min. Of $100k cargo insurance. If you talked directly with a broker or a carrier you need to send them the footage and contact with them. If it was damaged in transit the trucking company is responsible. If you were working with a broker they are supposed to have a insurance certificate on file naming their company and or your name as a certificate holder for them. That way you can file it on their insurance if they are refusing to file it themselves.
Torque is what broke the mounts. That "motor" has a sh** ton of Torque. Even if you could get a replacement foot unless you put it on a soft mount it will happen again.
Updated to reflect the correct spelling of Torque.
Or make a stronger motor mount...
Torque
@@zotzot5 Got it fixed for yah.
The motor casting at the feet almost looks thick enough to drill and tap new mounting holes in the casting. You can also fab straps to tie down the motor. You can machine a new motor adapter out of plate steel for the front by the output shaft....just a thought.......
Alec: that's thousands and thousands of dollars.
Come on Alec you're in the US now so just duct tape it.
Really you probably could take the motor apart and braze some new mounts to the casings.
Allen McKinney go old school bailing wire.
My 9 year old daughter said of Alec at the beginning: "He sounds like a super-villain" when he was talking about his insatiable quest for more power.
By the time he is 40 his goal will have warped and he will be launching giant hammers from space to move the mountains around.
Nah, it's just because he is British. We have all the best villans!
LOL Oh, I needed that right now.
@@themasqueradingcow91 Boris Johnson?
@@alejandroochoa559 I was referring to likeable villains like Tom Hiddleston, Alan Rickman or Ben Kingsley.
But yeah... I guess so. He is more buffoon than mastermind though
"Ladies and gentleman, welcome back to the workshop. It is fantastic to have you here."
That energy is contagious.
Nishant Bhattacharya
Not the only contagious thing...
Alec steele, the man that recorded his decend into maddness
Worst-case scenario - if the electrical side of the motor is all good then a machine shop should be able to repair or manufacture the parts that are cracked. Especially since you have the parts for them to get measurements from to make new ones if needed. It's just metalwork. If your shop had more precise machines you could do it. (I would recommend getting a machine shop though so they can get an engineer involved if needed and know that the new parts will hold the duty cycle required.)
Use a smaller motor with a torque multiplying gear box. It will slow rpm and increase the torque to levels comparable to the previous motor.
Little does he know, that fairbanks will soon snap in half!
“He prefers metric and he knows it” hahah
Big things are happening!
I just got home from making a massive upgrade for my ranch, a 6x6 Polaris Ranger. This will change so much for what we can and cannot do.
I love to see I am not the only one hyper-excited for something so simple!
Can't wait to see what you can do with this machine!
It’s been a long winter but with the weather getting nicer I’ll be catching up on your videos while I get out in the shop myself.
Alec said “hmmm I have some extra space...... ANOTHER POWER HAMMER”
phillip grunkin - It’s more like “... another power hammer that’s twice the size! I will make some space!!”
Instead of using a vfd could you use a gearbox and gear it down to the right rpm it would also as torque to the motor and make it so it doesn’t have to work so hard
Thats what i was thinking, or even just some big belts
The motor speed is dictated by its No of poles. Higher poles mean lower speed (but increase the motor torque). I could tell you exactly by looking at the rating plate. No need for a VFD, i have seen bigger motors than this wired direct online though if its wiried to run in delta would include a star/delta started to keep the initial starting surge down.
Your excitement at 10:20 is amazing and contagious and then we all got squashed. . You'll get this had boy fixed in no time. . Keep up the great work.
Send it out for brazing that should be an easy fix for someone with experience
That's the first thing I thought when I saw the damage too. Looks like a brazing job.
That's what I was thinking. Works for most motors so why not on the power hammer. I've seen brazings that have been in place for 15+ plus years on parts that go through some really rough conditions
This. Looks like one of the cracks was a previous repair.
Alec should check out Keith Rucker's channel where he repaired the table for his radial arm drill press with brazing.
@@alanhobson9121 or fireball tool, he brazed a vice
Gotta love the sagebrush on a fishing line :D
Alec, I was almost tearing up for you. We all feel your pain. Old machinery though was built to be fixed so I have a good feeling about you being able to rebuilt the motor
Was i the only one questioning his hight when he said "its 5 foot high"?
He could have meant meters, and said feet by mistake. Either that, or Alec is shorter than we have come to believe...
Miguel Rojas nah, Alec and Will are about 3 feet tall each. It’s quite incredible, really. Have you seen their Zweihander project? It’s nearly 4 and a half feet tall!
It's a running joke that Alex and Will are 2-3 feet tall.
@@coyotedomino well of course. they are dwarves after all. how else you think they are so good at blacksmithing?
@@Anino_Makata I don't think it's over two times an average human tall.,
Why is it that a power hammer just has to have a smiley face, or googley eyes, put on it - somehow makes them look cute, but also dangerous 😂
I guarantee you a video of you cleaning up the power hammer, making it look like new would do very well. Tool restoration videos are so satisfying to watch and that hammer could use a good cleaning up anyways, ESPECIALLY once you work out what you are gonna do about the motor. Showing it before all busted up and grimy and then after restoration, the working end product would be a great video (or series)!
Well for the motor: that seems to be an inductionmotor. Those are pretty well standardised, so it is actually possible, that you can get replacement parts. And for the speed: the speed of an inductionmotor ist determined by the frequency, as you mention with that vfd, an its number of poles. For example a 2 pole motor always runs at close to 3600 rpm and a 4 pole close to 1800rpm.(a little bit less but that would be to much here)The power, the motor is rated at doesn't effect that at all. So maybe you have a unusual number of poles, which is why you cant find replacement motors.
Hope this was helpful though you electrician should have already told you this
It's a beautiful machine, for sure, and I totally get the dreams of bigger and more extreme equipment... But can you explain what it'll be able to do, that your current one can't? Is it about the volume of material moved with every blow?
yes
Just from logic I would say that when working with larger volumes of metal it is much slower to heat them to forging temperatures. At some point the amount of blows you need to deform larger volumes becomes large enough that the number of heatings needed will increase and efficiency will quickly decrease, specially since the more contact the piece has with the metal hammer the more heat it loses and since heating time increases relating to the volume (mass with constant density) while the heating capacity increases with the area.
VaTreeGuy idled imagine to process bulk Damascus steel for production work. Maybe Damascus hammers?
It makes more thwack thwack.
@@alejandroochoa559 Perhaps it is also with view of the production blacksmith Alec talked about so that there is just a more efficient way to produce large quantities of rought forged things like hammers or drifts etc. that work with rather big stock
I miss the old days of this channel, back when Alec made his own security bars on his workshop door, the dirt floors, the raw unedited hammering at the anvil, no over the top American silliness, just a young man who loved his craft and because of that we loved watching. Don't get me wrong i like the new direction the channel is taking in a certain way, i do like Will a lot too. But for me back then there was less acting and more genuine soul and love put into the craft.. much love from Ireland Alec and community ✌️
That power hammer be sayin, "Hey dumdum. You give me gum gum?"
I'd let this old and broken motor sit where it is (as ballast, but detach the drivetrain) cause it looks oldsCOOL.
A new motor would sit beside the machine and deliver its power via Drivebelt(s), Chain or cardan shaft.
15HP are not that much to transfer, but You'll need the fitting power characteristics (RPM and Torque) to drive that beast of a powerhammer. So placing a new motor beside the machine gives You the mechanical variability for size and drive-connection so that You can better focus for the power characteristics of the new motor...
I guess that torque is way more important than HP, so why not choosing a faster turning motor and attach it to a gearbox to get the needed RPM's? With motor beside the machine, You can choose even a steam engine attached to a Truck variomatic gearbox (so You'd even have a clutch!) if You prefer... ;)
Other idea:
Maybe use the broken motor and fix the broken parts in a heavy welded frame-box (kind of an exo-skeleton*) that keeps the parts in place? If the broken (but frame-fixed) motor sits no longer on the neck of the powerhamer, where it is exposed to heavy vibrations, it can maybe keep on doing his work without any issues...
(* did You see Matt Damon in it's 2013 Sci-Fi movie "Elysium"? Keeping the old motor together in a frame that looks like this (of course "a bit" more massive) would look extraordinary! I know somebody who's certainly able to forge cool bone-like looking strunts for such an exo-skeleton framework. You see him in the mirror when You're shaving Your face... ;) )
What ever solution You choose (I'm curious to see!) ,
I hope You can soon use the beast! Looking forward.
That sucks that is came in the shape it did. I hope that you are able to get it repaired/upgraded soon! Looking forward to seeing how this machine comes back to life!
Any heavy equipment: "Yayyy a new owner!!"
*gets sent to Alec and Will*
Any heavy equipment: "Oh lord"
Why?
The transport companies like throwing Alec’s stuff around.
@@The.Talent yeah... but this time, the rust on the fractures clearly indicates that the motor was fubar before shipment.
Didn't realise Alec was so short, he said it was 5ft tall n has the tape measure up in the sky lol
Probably meant 5m
@@ShadowVipers yeah i doubt that, 5 meters would be around where the ceiling of their workshop is
@@MurphedProductions Hm, what do you think he meant then? Because ft is too short, like I'm 5'6" so I'd be taller than the power hammer.
@@ShadowVipers I think it was a joke or he said the wrong number
@@ShadowVipers it's a running joke in the workshop that they are only a couple feet tall
You'll find plenty of folk in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Idaho that can fix damn near anything. You're in a good area to get old equipment up and running again. Keep up the good work, stay safe, stay WELL. That's one impressive chunk of metal. Have fun!!!
That forging hammer is like bigger than my apartment. Damn.
You live in New York?
Hong Konger here, way bigger than my toilet for sure lol
Fucking stop already
Alec: "I need to buy and ship something new!"
*makes order*
*gets new equipment damaged in shipping*
Signs your watching alec steele: damaged freight, and broken projects that are almost done..
Yup, I will still keep watching!!
I don't think it was damaged in shipping. Those look like fatigue failures on the brittle cast steel.
That hammer is NOT new by any means. They dont make em like that anymore! That motor was likely built to come apart and be rebuilt. New mounts can be welded on during that process...check the casing for cracks and such while you have it apart. weld them up.
@@ChrisJones-qw7bn they show it cracked in the motor case also 11:34 although it was repaired before it is an unknown for how well it will hold up over time, also it is cast-iron so it needs special care when welding ( brazing would probably be the best way ) but it could be a possible fix if done correctly.
cost and durability of any repair vs getting new / used motor would be the question though.
Please do a Steele VS Stelter Karambit making.. please it would be awesome to see what you guys do!
Judging by the amount of rust, those amounts have been broken for a while. The vendor should’ve told you of the damage and I wouldn’t have accepted it without contacting them first.
If you do go the route of replacing the motor and housing, you could probably go with a much smaller motor attached to a reduction gearbox. Since, as you say, the existing motor would have a much lower RPM, you could just reduce the speed of a smaller motor to get equivalent torque. That would also let you use the same mounting area for both the gearbox and motor, and you might even be able to get the entire thing pre-assembled.
This is by far your best video that you’ve made so far. The editing was spectacular!
11:00 DONT LET IT INSIDE! It looks like a trojan horse!
*slaps power hammer* You could fit a dozen Trojans in this bad boy.
"Is... is that... is Alec trying to dance?" "Yeahhhh, he's having fun, leave him be..."
Alec, unless I missed something the only issue with the motor is the feet and steel housing. As long as the guts are still functioning you should be able to just fix the metal. If that is the case you should be able to find a industrial welder who could weld/fix/replace the feet and weld up any of the other cracks if you don't feel up to it yourself. In Montana there ought to be someone with experience maybe in more towards the heavy equipment side such as farming and mining equipment. It would at least be worth a look.
I’m in airline mechanic school right now, as my skills develop I feel like it would be pretty cool to rebuild a power hammer
Alec, bro remember that Zweihander you almost finished?
You can't rush perfection
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Looking at the damage you have there, from what I can see you can more than likely repair it should it be necessary.
The feet are the easy bit, that's just a matter of cleaning up the casting, brazing on some new ones and milling them into a plane. The damage to the cage is a bit harder, but not unachievable. Again braze it but you will then need to have the alignment of the bearings checked and if you're going in that far it would be silly not to replace the bearings on the rotor at the same time, which can have issues with shaft wear etc. It would be a time consuming and expensive repair to undertake, more so if there is any kind of electrical problems as well, insulation resistance being the main concern.
You'll probably find it far simpler just to replace the motor, the rpm won't be much of a problem, you'll be able to find one easily enough.
Or TIG with some Ni99 rods.
I built asphalt plants and quarry’s etc , you can just mount an inline speed reducer with a regular 15/20hp 1750rpm with the room you have , also someone would most likely in the area repair or rebuild the motor you have , it’s not a huge ordeal but definitely a good buck for a new motor , I used to source motors on EBay , Actually I have a guy local to me that has probably 500 odd electric motors on hand for practically nothing due to him sourcing warehouse and factory close downs and clean outs , what rpm I wonder ? 1100 ? Or 875 ish 🤔
easy to fix.. disassemble strip grind out big fillets, tig with nickel rod, or just bronze braze, then braze on a strap of steel across the cracks. Ideally strap is tapered at the ends and thick enough that it can take all the load even without the crack being fixed. While it is apart inspect and replace if needed brushes and bearings and have a motor shop rewind if necessary. You can do it. it is metal.
Hi mate it might be not cost effective to repair the motor just because it's very old so parts would have to be custom made. Forget about VFD as it doesn't make sense here. Cheap solution for application is a motor with a gearbox with required ratio or motor with more windings(usually motors have 8 windings but you can find some with 12 windings or more) because more windings gives slower RPM still 3phase ofcourse it's just different design but price may kill you. Stick with motor and gearbox as it's industry standard solution and new motors are very efficient and she'll be alright. Take care mate.