Big Game Hunting: Could Utah Jazz trade for Kawhi Leonard
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- You want Big Game Hunting does Kawhi Leonard count as big game hunting? The Los Angeles Clippers are in no man's land after losing Paul George. Is it possible they would be willing to move Kawhi Leonard. Could the Utah Jazz pounce and add Kawhi Leonard to Lauri Markkanen and build a Western Conference contender.
David Locke, radio voice of the Utah Jazz and Jazz NBA Insider, takes a look at the possibility and where it would leave the Utah Jazz.
Does Brandon Ingram count as big game hunting. The New Orleans Pelicans are rumored to be discussing deals with Brandon Ingram. He would be on the same time line as Lauri Markkanen.
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No Kawhi, dude is injured every second
No to Leonard. I am good with tanking this year and developing our youth, and go big game hunting next year. Hard no on Leonard.
Yeah, sometimes I think people get excited about a big name but it's like with how injured he is, PG pretty much left cause Kawhi never played anymore.
The claw doesn’t like basketball anymore
No on Kawhi. He pushed his way out of a small market already. He is always injured and passed his prime.
Exactly this.
... and past his prime, too
motion to abandon the term "Big Game Hunting"
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Small steps guaranteed lowest risk. That's the only path when the league treats utah like a triple aaa team.
Imagine Kawhi Leonard sitting courtside at a Utah Jazz game.
...in street clothes.
Still would be kinda cool but certainly not worth the trade assets it would take. 😂
No to all this “big game”. We need to be patient and find a generational talent in the draft. Not just good current players or past their prime top 10 players. We need more runway than Lenord has left.
No. He's been a bust for the Clippers. Sits out all the time and hasnt been the leader of a team like he once was with the Spurs or Raptors. His health and his head just dont seem to right to lead another team.
Let's say we get him, He may never suit up or just flat out refuse to play. He wanted to be in L.A. so much he essentially just quit on the Spurs. If this was Raptors level Kawhi then yes. But where he is now, no thanks.
although last season he actually played 68 games so that's not bad. If he has a health turn around and can help Jazz for real then I say do it if it doesn't affect the rebuild long term.
No Kawhi Leonard he Is too Selfish and a quitter and if that wasn't bad enough he just doesn't care the "Clippers know that" and P.G. had to process that HARD TRUTH about Kawhi. He's only in the NBA now based on past reputation and a pay check not for the love of basketball
@@archerseoI believe it does affect the Jazz rebuilding because he is no role model for our young players he would teach all our young talent how to game the NBA after getting paid and how they can learn to get paid and only play half a season. He is not the one. Just a guy that used to be somethin'
No Claw Thankyou.
Sign Markkanen asap!
Trade Clarkson, Collins and THT.
Gotta hold onto Sexton, that lad is a Dogg!
No on Kawhi, past his prime, doesn't play enough and you would have to give up to much to get him. Not a championship in my mind. Brandon Ingram would be nice, he has size, can score and is the right age....
I agree 💯%
There is never a championship for the Jazz bc nobody wants to live there if they have any other choice.
@@dartvade1955 silly comment to make on a Jazz podcast. Nope hope of winning, then why are you following the Jazz and commenting?
What a ridiculous idea. This is what happens when you need something to discuss for 30 minutes every day.
I'm not a fan of a guy who misses 15-20 games every year, either due to "injury" or just because he doesn't want to play the second game of a back-to-back, so I vote no. That said, as long as we don't give up Lauri or Keyonte and too many of our upcoming first rounders it could be interesting. Lauri and Leonard on the frontline could help the youngsters that are left grow without the stress of trying to carry the offense.
Is the goal to be a playoff team or to be a championship contending team. I love kawhi but he can’t stay healthy
It's funny hearing Jazz fans saying the clippers aren't good and they need to trade their star. Other teams are saying the same about the Jazz, the world goes round and round 😂
I’m ready to be in rebuild for the next 3 years and develop our youth. Love Lauri but if we can get a haul from him why not.
We Jazz fans are spoiled. We don’t go through heinous droughts like other teams do and I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Maybe we gotta wait 3-5 years but it’ll be worth it.
I'd say two years. One year of developing the youth. One year of developing team chemistry then big game hunt to shoot for a championship.
@@adamw7290that’d be great! I do think the Jazz will surprise us but I like to set my expectations so I can just enjoy the process. I remember, after d will trade I thought we were over, after Hayward left us for Boston thought it was over for awhile but we seem to bounce back decently well. Unfortunately we were not a great playoff team and that could be due to coaching but I still liked Snyder.
yea thats what Detroit thought. And Charlotte. And Sacramento for twenty years. And Chicago. The Spurs are on the way up like how many years later now? The Pelicans keep trying to fly and crashing back down. The Magic have taken a long time to cook and are basically the Ricky Rubio Jazz level of good. The Hawks thought they were there but nope they still suck. Same with the Nets. Portland is in absolute hell now. OKC's build took a while, longer than Jazz fans have patience for. Same with Rockets who are still just mid.
Golden State sucked for an age before Curry got there. Minnesota sucked for two decades basically. The Knicks for three decades. Mileaukee was nothing for an age before Giannis. I could go on.
So its true you gotta get that generational talent somehow but two or three years is just dreaming.
@@danr154 I agree with you. The fear is becoming one of those teams and it’s highly probable we will have a bad drought but since the Jazz arrived to Salt Lake City our playoff appearance percentage is top ten. I know championships is the end goal but we have a good track record and with Danny Ainge being the GM I’ll expect the worst hope for the best and just enjoy the games.
Here is the table showing the percentage of playoff appearances for the top NBA teams, including the Utah Jazz since their arrival in Salt Lake City:
1. San Antonio Spurs: 85.1%
2. Los Angeles Lakers: 81.6%
3. Boston Celtics: 76.6%
4. Portland Trail Blazers: 69.8%
5. Philadelphia 76ers: 68.9%
6. Utah Jazz: 64.4%
7. Chicago Bulls: 61.4%
8. Indiana Pacers: 59.6%
9. New York Knicks: 55.8%
10. Dallas Mavericks: 54.5%
11. Golden State Warriors: 45.5%
Yes on Kawhi! Take the gamble as long as it is just dead money (Collins and Clarkson) contracts and picks going out. Keep our young guys.
I like Kawhi but he is too injury prone and I don’t know how I feel about giving up Taylor and definitely not Keyonte.
Oh dear god please not Leonard.
Let's do this, then keep Kawhi on the bench until the playoffs. The 2 games into the playoffs, he gets injured. Then what?
If you trade for Kawhi, you’re trading for nothing, because he never plays.
you are crazy with this video no way now how is Utah trading for KL
I'm not a fan of getting Kawai, but worth mentioning that we still have some cap space and could sign 2 - 3 rotation players to fill out our roster if a trade happened.
KAT is good but he is not better than Lauri
KAT would probably be traded as well.
Just wait until you have 7 guys under 23 that are great potential thru the draft. Then add a top 10 free agent in a trade. Hope and pray. Just getting guys that don't put basketball as their top priority is insane.
Explain obligating money to a replacement value center makes sense now? Why not after markannen is settled? Makes no sense.
Hey Locke what would it take to get Brandon Ingram in a trade...and then sign Bridges as a free agent...does a starting 5 of George, Bridges, Ingram, Markanen and Kessler get us in the playoffs? A young team with room to grow.
prefer Lauri to kawahi
No. I think we should keep Markannon and just have a whole team of first rounders built around him. All versatile and oversized at their position. Rebounds, defense, and shooting.
I like the concept of Big Game Hunting, but I think it can also come from future or young players. You are right, in that Lauri does hold some of the cards, and more than you think. The Jazz tried to go after Mikal Bridges as their first big game hunting target, that fell through when he was traded to the Knicks. They tried to pivot and bring in Tobias Harris, that didn't work when he went for more money to the Pistons. Kawhi isn't leaving LA Clippers anytime soon, he's injured too much. Ingram will be leaving New Orleans but not to come to Utah, because we still don't have our #1 option. I don't think there is a CURRENT player in the NBA right now, who is on the Jazz's radar as their future #1 option. That player they are looking at is probably in the 2025 draft (Cooper Flagg, Ace Bailey, Dylan Harper etc.) which means that this year they are looking at secondary or even tertiary options that they could bring in alongside that #1 option. They may have already found one of those 2nd or 3rd option players in Cody Williams. Personally, I think the Jazz are pivoting again, and are now looking to trade Lauri instead so he can be on a contending team. (He is 27) If the Jazz are going to trade Lauri as well as possibly Sexton (25), John Collins (26 almost 27) and Clarkson (32), then they are going to be looking for trades that are similar to the Mikal Bridges trade, which means a lot of picks and/or a lot of young players. Two teams you have to think about as who are hunting for Lauri are the Warriors and the Spurs. The Warriors see Lauri as their possible big shooter that could help them rebound post Klay. The problem is they probably will not be willing to give up Kuminga because they see him as their next Wiggins. Nor would they be willing to give up Podziemski, because they think he's their next Klay. They'd be willing to give up Moses Moody, but he's isn't that much of a gain for Utah as he still hasn't figured it out yet. (True, he hasn't been given the time yet, but there's probably a reason for that, the Warriors might know something we don't like they did when they traded Jordan Poole to the Wizards, we don't want another situation like that). Of course they'd be willing to give up Wiggins along with Moody, and probably a pick in maybe the 2026 draft but that's not what we are trading Lauri for. Like I said before we will be trading Lauri for picks and/or a young player or two, and the Warriors unfortunately do not have a lot of them (picks that is). So who's the next team that wants Lauri preferably someone with a lot of picks. The Spurs or Thunder. The Thunder already have Chet and just signed IHart, so probably not them, but what about the Spurs? They have said that everyone is on the table minus Wemby, and Vassell. Well okay, I'd take Sochan, Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones, they just drafted Stephon Castle, we really liked him this year. We liked him even more than Cody Williams, but knew we didn't have the pick or the assets to get him, but maybe we do we just have to wait a little bit like we did when we got Kessler from the Wolves in the Gobert trade. The Spurs are looking for a bigger PF who they can stick next to Wemby and be another lob threat and option for their new point God recruit in Chris Paul. Lauri definitely fits the bill, and Wemby makes up for Lauri's defensive inefficiencies. The Spurs love international players and always have their eyes overseas as well as inside the US. Lauri is international (from Finland). Not quite sure if Castle is in their future plans because while he can pass, defend, is big, his shot isn't quite there yet. They could be looking at Garland's former teammate Sexton, or a 2025 prospect instead (Nolan Traore), they would certainly give up Sochan since Lauri would fill his position, they'd give up Keldon Johnson to match salary, they'd also give up another young player who is better than we thought in Tre Jones, and they might even also give up their own 2025 pick (not the one from the Hawks) since their own would probably be after the lottery, because they are going to be better with Lauri, and the Jazz know whichever team they trade Lauri to they will make better). So you got Sochan (21), Tre Jones (24), Keldon Johnson (24 almost 25), Stephon Castle (19 almost 20), and a Spurs pick (maybe Khaman Maluach or Aaron Bradshaw, Maluach is only 17, will be 18 when drafted, and Bradshaw is only 20) so all these players are still younger than 25 and in Keyontae's, Hendricks' and now Cody Williams' age range. So they'd be able to grow along with their teammates. Furthermore if we don't tank this year and like you say try and find our #1 option via big game hunting in Kawhi, or Ingram, we will lose our pick to the Thunder like we would have this year had we not tanked. If we are still looking for younger players then we HAVE to continue to tank! I know this was long but I hope it gave you insight into what I'm thinking and was worth the read.
Big No to Kawhi Leonard I cannot express this enough. He is the most injury prone player In the league he is lazy and stopped playing after Toronto and after his finals notoriety and his large contracts. He is damaged goods. He is selfish and not a team 1st player I would rather have a tanking year than to pay anything over a trade for maybe John Collins and TNT for Kawhi L.
In an ideal world WK @5, Lauri @4, Kawhi @3, Williams @2 Collier @1. Pretty exciting.
I think ingram would fit with Jazz
I can see it now, Kawhi signs and suffers a sore quad muscle and is out for the first 12 games, returns and averages 11.7 ppg over the next 8 games then suffers from back spasms. Out for another 20 games. Becomes upset when he's not paid more than any other player on the team. Pouts on the bench for 8 games for "personal reasons." Comes back for most of the remainder of the season and shoots every time he touches the ball to up his ppg av. Cashes our checks for 24-25 then demands a trade to a contender. What's not to like?
We can’t get any free agents to sign so we have to do something like this
The real question is what benefit would he provide aside from gaining a vet and a name? IMO, this is nonsense as there is no upside. Even with Leonard a playoff push this year wouldn't happen or we would lose the first 4 games. In history how many teams have made it to the playoffs with the depth/experience we have?
No to Kawhi! He’s not worth the asking price at his age and recent history of injury’s. He won’t improve the team enough to even consider it. The focus should be on extending Lauri on a max deal if he wants to be here and is willing to wait a little longer in the rebuild for things to improve. His game will still be good for a few more years and will still be a coveted player for at least the next two or three years. We need to see what our young players can do because at some point you will have to keep the best and trade or release those who don’t have the skills that fit with your core. However, past history has shown that even your best players will be traded in order to build a contender and championship caliber team. Look back at what Danny did in Boston to get them where they are now. This is only year three. Rebuilds take time especially if you are building a team to compete for more than one or two years. Don’t get so attached to players. Enjoy them while they’re here.
How does sitting people for draft positioning negatively affect trade value? I’ve heard it referenced in two interviews, one for Markannen and one for Clarkson. Viewers know they were just sat for tanking but it seems to affect optics and value from prospective buyers.
No to Leonard if it is going to be that big of a price.
If we can keep Lauri and Walker and Keyonte. I'm down. Just give up some draft capital and Clarkson, Sexton and Collins.
If Kawhi Leonard is Bench Player and we dont have to "Rely on Him" then still no. 😂
I'd be all in for it next year after finding out a bit more about the young guys
How do yall listen to this guy? He’s like the crazy uncle at thanksgiving dinner smh
Jazz content so dry we really talking bout kawhi leonard to get our picks into the teens
Signing Leonard would just be dumb. He makes the Jazz maybe a number 6 in the West at best? We already had that and they traded it away. I'd just like to know what the Jazz are doing? Rebuilding or trying to be mediocre?
Dude please. We need to get a generational player in this deep draft. Not old ass Kawhi. No more perpetual 2nd round exit teams. We need to compete with future Wemby. Jazz need to focus on the draft.
Trading Lauri is obvious. Trading Clarkson is obvious. Trading Collins is obvious.
We have to move forward the right way.
We just need to tank and go for as many lottery chances in 2025 and 2026 via trade for anyone on our team older than 3rd year. We need more draft potential lottery assets in next two years. Clear the lineup on any seasoned player and just TANK.
Do it it will be awesome the two games he plays every other year
No. Lets just build with the young guys we have
how about no? i want to get younger as a team, let’s the kids play!!
I agree 💯%. We have some great ones too.
Stay away from Kawhi and any injury prone players, no matter how good they are! Especially if they are 32 or older... Tank for two years at least.
Kawhi is not big game hunting.... he never appears on the big stage anymore!
Kawhi?? Only if we are interested in a bench warmer.
Jalen Williams is like a Jalen brown . Sga and Jalen similar to Tatum and brown. Jazz need their one two punch they have their two now find a one.
The Jazz havent combined or aggregated any contracts yet because they havent found the right deal to do that....patience is key and the Jazz will need lots of it. Nobody likes to trade with the Jazz when they can see they are hoarding cap space and picks. The Jazz just need to acquire picks from teams that have gone all in and have no way out to rebuild. Only way to do that is to get the other teams to want what we have. Teams do want Laurie so maybe they will include some of those valuable picks and maybe a nice young player or two.
As much as you like J Dub ...Laurie is better. Laurie is the real deal in my mind which is why a kings ransom might not be good enough. Once you have the star you generally keep them.
I do believe the Jazz can play hold and or sell at the same time. Why Not!? Cant redo his contract to Aug 6th so might as well keep social media going for the NBA.
Also believe the Jazz need to be good enough if they go super tank mode to be able to beat the teams that have the picks they hold. Also need to improve their trade partners so they can cannibalize each other to the Jazzs future benefit.
For now, I still see some great opportunities to be a very good team. Not so sure they should go full tank mode. By waiting....the market is settling in after 2B in contracts and we still have players needing a home. The jazz control the MARKET!!!! Go Jazz
Hell to the No. He Leno longer moves the needles and is injured half the time.
A big yes on teaming Kawhi and Lauri...
There is NO WAYYY im giving up Taylor Hendricks, no WAY. he has a future and we have seen enough to see what Kawhi Leonards future is on any team he is on going forward. Does he want to win a championship " NOPe" ✅ hes just a ex-nba star.
👎🏻 I would rather build organically over the next couple years and wait until we’re in a situation conducive to immediate success. As in we need one piece to tip the scales. I also think he’s too prone to taking games off to be a good choice. 22:30
this is great.: is there a "yes" in these comments? your fans know better than the rumor mill please. put the statement "big game hunting" to bed. Maybe if we start calling D.A. "big game Danny" he would retract his statement about big game hunting?
Lets gamble and do it , not gambling on a next Taylor Hendricks or Walker Kessler.
Maybe Kawhi of 5 to 10 years ago. Current Kawhi that plays about 50 games a year? Hard pass.
No the clippers want to sign bridges. He keeps them floating around top 8 for another 4-5 years.
Kawhi Leonard "WAS" a top 14 player in the NBA 5 years ago, emphasis on the "Was" now he a way overpriced or Over-paid player! Who thinks he is special and is not a team player type of guy. If the Jazz traded for him im Switching the Team i root for and ive been a hard core fan since 1990
Ingram can be had. The issue is the contract.
No no they couldn’t, bc he would refuse and not report. Simple as that. That’s the first thing and the rest doesn’t matter
Kawhi Leonard is a bad role model for young player's. He is so selfish and past his prime and injury prone and has nothing left to give any team and he's only going to bring any team he is on in the future down because he's only out for HIMSELF.
Jazz will finish no higher than 13 out of 15 in the Western Conference next season. Who is worse?
This would be an absolute disaster. Lauri and Kawhi maybe play 55 games a year and we are a 5 seed? I don't get the dedication to Lauri. Yes he's an amazing 3rd option but it seems people were ok letting Mitchell and Gobert go but not Lauri when we have way less of a vision of success to him and way less history. He was a super nice bonus in the Mitchell trade
He’s a foundation to build around. If we get a haul for him he’ll probably be gone too though.
Nice thought excise but I wouldn’t do for anything of real value for him
I thought Ange was against taking on dinosaurs. No on kawhi. Ingram is not worth of multiple picks and players.
No.
As great as Kawhi is he's not healthy when he needs to be so I don't want him here even tho when he's healthy he's definitely top 10 in the NBA imo. But I wouldn't risk trading our young future for an aging star who's only good for 50-60 games and not around at all for the playoffs it's not worth the risk.
Only player who could make Jazz immediately a contender and will not that all the assets we have
Why would we want to watch a guy in the suit for half the season while losing our assets in order to get him in the first place 🤔
No to kawaii. Trust in the youngsters and re sign Lauri and go get Tre young
Please check Kai Sotto (PHI vs Latvia)
Yes to Kawhi. Yes to Ingram but at a reasonable deal. No to CJ McCollum. I never liked CJ’s game when he was in his prime. And I think he’s cook now away.
👎🏽 no on Kawhi. We can’t trust him to be healthy or even come out for the 2nd half of a basketball game.
Would still need another star player or it won't work. If they could get Kawhi and T Young, that could be a solid angle, but I wouldn't think Atlanta would be interested in trading. It is probably best to trade LM for as much as possible and bottom out.
Shouldn’t be a question. Is the question serious? What good will its do for the team when you are good but always injured. 👎👎👎
I remember watching him in college. You could see he was going to be someone.
What ever happened with the Spurs, It changed him. He's become a lazy player.
I think you would only have him when he wants to play. So, NO THANKS!
More like big gimp hunting; how about we take big-hands Kawhi off their hands for their picks
this 2nd apron rule of moving your pick to the end of he draft is beyond stupid. you trade your pick and you do not care about penalty because your trade partner is screweed with your pck becoming worthless, not you.
Are you high today Donavan Mitchell just signed a 3 year deal you still have him in trade rumors 😂 and the claw is done.
I will purchase a new set of skis for David if the Jazz get Leonard while at the same time giving up Laurie. Are Utah and Ainge ever serious about winning or just getting tv and gate money to make Ryan Smith richer. Fools Gold.
We arent beating the Celtics with kawhi or Ingram. Better to go tank mode and collect assets
Go get 45 back just the same as going for kawai
Ka what? Keep Laurie.
I would take KaWhile ago Leonard but not KaNow Leonard.
Kaai, great player, but would delay the Jazz Rebuild, fans need to get their emotions out of this, follow OKC's example, suddenly bringing in a fellow who does not meet your plan makes you Brooklyn, constantly getting in your own way. Ainge is not going to deviate from a working plan, HE HAS BUILT Champions.
Sorry type error, Kawhi, not Kaai.
Kawhi? Do you have a patent on bionic legs that you can retrofit to him that I don't know about, David? Because if you don't, that's a TERRIBLE idea. He can't stay healthy.
No!
👎👎👎👎 Leonard is nice but is as durable as a wet paper bag.
NO on Leonard he is too injury prone New Orleanhe won’t be worth the price at his age. We need youth not Vets. The only way to rebuild this team is through the draft you cannot do it through trades or free agency. Nobody wants to come here.
You don't win a championship by looking in the rear view mirror to find the best players for your team. Exhibit A: Kawhi and the Clippers these past few years.
Yes bring Kawhi to SLC anyone that says anything else is a loser
I follow sport to get away from the loser name calling please stop
Let him cook lol
Kawaii and then get Trae on a fire sale. 🙏🙏🙏
Getting a bit goofy.
Absolutely not! This is a terrible idea! We need to tank this year and go after Cooper Flaggs, not try to revive players that are injury prone and on the downside of their career. We would have to unload way too much for him and it gives us a 3 year window. He's likely to be more injured not less injured. The only reason you do this is that you have another guaranteed big trade and we start unloading our draft capital which then means we've lost our depth and long term growth for a very unpredictable gamble. Is that Ingram? Does ingram, Kawhi and Lauri make us contenders? I would say NO, the team play would have to be amazing and none of them are known as being incredible play makers, too much one on one play. This is a bad idea. Burn it down looks like what makes most sense and tank this year.