Murphy beds should have been included in city living, bunk beds should have been included in university, and ladders should have been included in tiny living.
You're SO-so-so right. Maybe they could've even introduced just one of those bunk beds that underneath you can put your desk and such too or a hang out space? Like a couch. Would've made things SO fun.
@@iTeacupPanda That's called a loft bed if you didn't know and that would have helped the tiny living pack way more. The sims team have spoken about ladders apparently they have tried but can't get it to work which makes no sense to me because we've had them before in sims 3 (not sure about 2)
I heard a rumor that Murphy beds were supposed to come with City Living, but they decided to do the Talking Toilet instead. I don't know if there is actually any truth to this claim, but if it is true, it was the dumbest decision ever.
I love that even though she's a game changer she isn't scared to give her honest opinion on things. I feel like a lot of the game changers are too positive about packs to the extent were it feels fake. Plumbella is so truthful. *AND THATS ON PERIODT LUV*
All the ones I watch (minus LaurenZSide who uses them not for reviews but just weird videos) give honest opinion. Clare Sciobhan was disappointed from the get-go cause there were no bunkbeds. Lil Simsie is normally critical, but I think she was too excited about the pack idea to see the bad things. So that's 2 of 3...
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere you know that people can see only the positive side too right? Yeah I was surprised that Lilsimsie's title wasn't "everything wrong with tiny-living" but when I really see the pack, it's the things she likes so I understand why she didn't have negative things to say!!
It's not exactly news that we want more traits and aspirations, but here they really missed a great chance to add atleast one. Claustrophobic would have been great!
I think they should release a “what you’ve been asking for” game pack. Give us all the little random things we’ve been wanting for years: bunk beds, ladders, etc etc that would be brilliant and not to mention the money that pack would make 👀☕️ Pitch it to them Jess!
I'm not all that sure EA are really into giving us what we want. The last time we voted for an 'Eco-Living' pack (EA had put out polls of some kind and asked us to vote), they thought we wanted a whole pack based on doing laundry, simply because handwashing clothes in a tub and hanging them on a line counted as 'eco-living' to them.
That would be a giant update, because the Sims coding doesn't seem to support itself in what it's trying to sell. Traits and emotions don't mix and it may be due to the Sims being rushed. Honestly, if they change anything about the depth of the game it wouldn't feel like I've paid full price for alpha
I think she could make a big difference if she was given freedom of decisions, which.. is probably not the case with EA or any other big company. Decisions are probably made by people who know the least about Sims.
Yeah same but at the end of the day this is also a business and realistically I feel like she won't get the last say and most of her ideas would get shut down :/
They coulda put traits like Claustrophobic- this sim gets tense when in tiny houses and small spaces Cozy- this sim feels safe and cozy in Small spaces and they will bring on positive emotions Close- this sim likes to be close to other sims being in a tiny home with another sim will boost happy emotions
Yesss and Minimalist - this sim prefers a small, simple home with fewer objects - they become unhappy when there is too much furniture and decor. I'd have been sold on this pack if it had new traits... At the moment to me the title of it doesn't make sense (what's new)
SpaceDementia_ yes I agree with you the name confuses me when they are no traits reneforcing it it wouldn’t have been that hard to put in at least one I would’ve preferred it over the cas. I still think it’s a good pack certainly not the worst but I am a little disappointed
Another point; where's the tiny fridge to fit in a tiny house? I know they have one in the college pack, but if you don't have the college pack you have to use the big fridges that really don't duit the esthetic of tiny living.
@Axel Drans yeah we have something similar in Argentina, its half the size of an american stove and its often used in apartments. It would have been really cool to see something like that
Axel Drans The only thing that was non-American/full western culture was City Living, where is was a mix match of different cultures. I like that EA tried, but I don't think they tried hard enough, if you're going to implement different cultures you should have a pack for each representative and not just thrown into one all together with half the effort, because in doing so we get less than half of that culture. Whether its your own culture or someone who loves exploring culture in real life, or has even adopted a new, and wants more of if in game. A shame and I hope EA makes a change and tries just a little bit more, but the way I see it, I think they're on the right track and we just need to keep nudging.
Thats been the frequently tought on The Sims 4 life time. Every Stuff pack is basically a feature that in the past was part of a big pack. For example The Sims 3 University Life came with murphy beds, bowling, arcade machines and mini fridges. To get that in The Sims 4 you need Discover University EP for mini fridges, Bowling Night SP for bowling, Tiny Living SP for murphy beds, Get Together EP for the only arcade machine that TS4 got until now. I can make a lot of lists like this comparing both TS3 or even TS2. And the fact that both TS3 and TS2 provide a better base, it makes TS4 experience even worse to me!
In terms of tiny living stuff, they could have incorporated things from countries like Japan, where there isn't much living space in urban areas. Some homes have toilets where the back of the toilet is actually a sink. Water that goes down the sink drain is used to fill the toilet to conserve water. There are also desks that are attached to the wall on one end and are folded down when in use, and folded back up onto the wall otherwise. Dining tables can have a section on each end that can be folded or slid up/down. The table can be kept folded until guests come over, and then the sections can be folded out by your Sim. I think the Sims team thought more about adding cute items to the game, as opposed to functionality, which is important when living in a confined space.
This is the best comment on this video. Imagine a Japan inspired world (that we definitely don't have) but only those urban areas you mentioned... Like everyone is saying, this should have been an expansion pack!
Absolutely. Aside from a folding bed, and a stereo on a shelf (which is doable with cheats anyway), the objects take up the same space as anything else anyway
THIS is the review. for me it doesn’t matter how cute everything is- it’s called tiny living- the items should reflect that- 1/4 and 1/2 tile items were something i was looking forward to- and i’ve yet to see a tiny house that doesn’t have a ladder leading to a loft bed....so i’m disappointed overall. and your idea for a claustrophobia trait is brilliant.
I can't believe that you can't make a loft for your tiny house. What kind of tiny house doesn't have a loft? Also, Murphy beds are nice but I feel like they should have included them in City Living. Also, we need bunk beds.
Yeah it's especially disappointing when you remember that sims 2 apartments added apartments that you could actually build yourself and move up to 4 families in which including building like townhouses and trailer parts and family shared lots (I used to add an annex to a family house and move the elder sims into there or adults once they "moved out" to start a family); Murphy beds; witches that had spells, familiars which were actual spirit animals like cats that would appear, evil and good alignments; spiral staircases; butlers; networking and social groups that had their own greetings and handshakes; built in wardrobes; new socials including special ones just for kids; playground sets including big tall jungle gyms, slides, roundabouts, monkey bars etc; vending machines; vibrating beds like the old love beds in Sims; a reputation system; life skills like making them better at putting out fires or couples counseling; and roommates!
@@heartgeek90 I'd be very surprised if they don't come soon,along with things like bunk beds. I'm wondering if those and the loft option are in a planned pack for this year, like a specific home upgrade type pack... let's hope so!x
How to make a loft easily: 1. make a normal 2 story house 2. place one of those deck thingies without the fences in the floor where you want the loft to be 3. delete the floor(since the deck and the floor are two different things when you delete the floor it won't delete the deck) boom, loft, it's been here since the enitial release, us sims 4 players really need to stop complaining(note that I didn't find this by myself, I found a tutorial on youtube but I cant remember who made it.).
We have been wanting more depths in the game for YEARS. Let's say it together: Paralives is a real threat and once it's out the will have to make the Sims better haha
Sims needs a worthy competitor. It's why Disney is good, initially they didn't have a competitor, but as soon as they did they upped their game. Sims needs that too.
I’m sick of unnecessary DLCs. EA is just draining money from its customers now. You have to wait years for one feature we got in the base game or one expansion pack back in the sims 2 & 3. Their extreme capitalistic strategy is such a pain.
Well the only things I’ve seen from paralives in build stuff so I’m confused as to how it can compete with the sims if it just looks like an architect game. Sure building is fun in the sims but there’s so much more than that
@@unorginalusernamehereYESS you're absolutely right! We shouldn't put the same expectations on a small indie dev studio as on EA, that's just unhealthy. Speaking as a developer myself (not in games but still) there's only so many hours in a day and so many dollars in a budget, some corners need to be cut to make it to release - and thus someone always will be disappointed that their favourite feature didn't make it.
What if each tier forced you to pick one more negative trait? So you got to choose but you’d still be stuck with some challenge. So what ever tier you have, you have to pick a corresponding number of flaws (three drawbacks for third tier). Here are some ideas: Relationships fall twice as quickly Objects break more often Power shuts down occasionally Water shuts down occasionally Hygiene lowers quicker Social lowers quicker Any other ideas would be great.
Kind of like how in Sims Medieval, you had to pick 3 positive traits about yourself and one "fatal flaw" about yourself.... I loved that because even though some were "easier" to deal with or resolve than others, I still would choose based on what I wanted my character to be like. They should have done that with the sims, except, maybe make the negative trait optional (or make a toggle for it in the game options) so that people can choose what kind of lifestyle they want. Maybe do it for both lot traits AND sim traits. But, definitely lot traits! Maybe you build a fixer-upper and you've "fixed it up" aesthetically but.... the plumbing is still bad and you have a higher chance of plumbing breaking. Like it seems they have with City Living- bugs and rats and broken apartment stuff.....
What about a negative modifier to mood for the tiny house being too cramped (more than 2 people inside)? It could also increase for every additional person you tried to fit in there
@@sleekoduck Not for base game..... So if you only get Tiny living (and no other pack), you can't have those traits unless they're included in Tiny Living, too.
I think that this pack is great, the objects are really good and I’ll use them all the time, I would have just liked to see more space saving objects 😇 Jumpers from primark, it’s a pyjama set 💛
The developers who made this pack must’ve never seen a tiny home in their lives. Ladders could’ve been added, spiral stairs could’ve been added, bunk beds could’ve been added, a bed with a desk underneath could’ve been added, a small fridge could’ve been added, and so much more. Not everyone can own every pack, like me, and it sucks that they make packs expensive and miss things out regularly. Sims needs to watch out for Paralives. Don’t get me wrong, the items are cute in this pack, but they missed out so much stuff that they could’ve added. They missed opportunities.
That's what I had in my TINY ASS dorm in college -- a bunk bed with a desk underneath. I lived with 3 other girls and we all had this so we'd have a place to sleep and a place to study that was our own. It was a great way to really utilize all four corners of the room
Yes, a normal bed could be used as a sofa but it looks like your sim has just moved in and has no proper furniture. The Murphy bed means your home looks complete and fully furnished, full living room and bedroom. Ladders should definitely have been included, would allow for an upstairs in these small houses and could build some really cool lofts.
I agree with the ladders it would have been fantastic to see them with this pack, or even just a spiral staircase to save space. I was trying to do a tiny home last night with a loft and trying to fit in the stairs in a way that works took forever
@@unorginalusernamehere Very expensive my ass, they got $5 Billion out of the Sims 4 last year. Step your game the fuck up EA you're your money is going down, not going to buy this pack for a murphy bed.
Axel Drans Honestly, the only way to fix that would be to boycott every other pack. If it hurts their bottom line, they’ll listen. But that’d be really hard to organize.
This pack did exactly what every other pack does : I get interested, think about buying it, watch some TH-cam reviews and then realize the game is still boring. In this case, tho, the buffs make the game even easier - which I didn't think was possible! I do like the TV combo and the single square desks, but that's not enough to make this worth buying.
I tried playing yesterday with mods. Couldn't do it. It's nice to see people who have never played the Sims before play it, makes me want to try again, only to lose interest
I'm still waiting to see someone use the mircohome in GAMEPLAY! After all isnt that the point 😂 Im worried it may be too impossible... Maybe for a couple at first or friends in university BUT to play family game play? Ah I dont know
the only way I can play the sims at the moment is after taking a break for a few months.. I can't justify buying any expansion packs anymore and I'd love to see an overhaul of the base game and added free-content to really flesh out the things that need to be improved upon
Ikr? The Sims 2 gameplay was challenging and interesting, but every time I turn the Sims 4 on I feel like something's wrong. I can play for, like, 30 mins and then I get bored. The game needs so much more than just stuff or expansion packs. It seems like TS4 was released not so long ago considering how..boring it is. Even with all these expansion packs and stuff I still feel like I play a vanilla game.
Yes, also I heard that ladders were not made because of the difficult animations, I do not understand why it is difficult to animate, I mean we have pool ladders even kids climbing in monkey bars.
It's an excuse. The reason they aren't beinf added is because the EA higher ups don't want it added yet. I'm sure the Sims team want a to add it, but they aren't allowed to.
If that's the case, then how come they could do it, in the sims 2, and 3, along with being able to climb out of ladders? They are paid to animate. Lazy and an excuse
It’s not the difficulty itself, it’s the cost to do something of that level of difficulty. They explained on the livestream that the resources needed for bunk beds were over budget for the stuff pack so they couldn’t include them. Not a fun answer, but it’s the reality of this kind of work.
Omg if they brought a claustrophobic trait with this pack that would have been so interesting to deal with. Another challenge like if they have to do tint living but they're claustrophobic Edit: I wrote this before she even mentions claustrophobia, I'm glad she agrees lol
I pray to god that they add more aspirations and traits cause at this point it's become so boring trying to come up with new trait combinations even with the random option. Honestly don't need anything else but that
@@writer_chacha you're right, but shouldn't _developers_ be thinking about their game? The TS community is huge, there is, undoubtedly, a lot of custom content for a game - but it should be developers' priority to make their game more interesting and diverse.
@@Mskittenlover12 the game was released in 2014..I honestly have no hopes for better changes, but it's good to know they plan to listen to players' complains.
Yeah to me it doesn't make sense they get a relationship BONUS instead of a relationship strain... but I guess this is The Sims 4, where everything has to be happy and sugary all the time 🙄
They should’ve added a trait which makes your sims sanity lower in tiny houses cause what would happen to me if I was stuck in this claustrophobic house.
@@foxygrin The gurus mentioned in the tiny living stream that all relationships are boosted, even negative ones. So a fight in a tiny home is going to cause twice as much negative "gain". So while the micro homes are still probably too good, there is that.
having a ‘minimalist’ trait would be cool too, on the flip side of claustrophobic
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Ooh yes! And they get stressed if they live in a home larger than 100 squares or when they're in a room with more than a certain amount of objects, maybe.
I've seen a lot of people complaining about sims youtubers being negative recently. If you get hate for this, just know that we love you and we know that you are positive and your opinions are constructive criticism not hate ❤
What are you talking about lol who ever said that. The game changers are the least negative and most ass-kissy when something about sims 4 isnt right....
@@radwooah you clearly don't go on twitter often 😅 Sadly Ive seen a lot of hate towards them lately and if you watch lilsimsies streams she has mentioned she has seen a lot of negative comments and tweets recently
@@radwooah idk what YOU are talking about lmao, all the game changers I watch are very critical, which I appreciate, but it can even get tiring sometimes, specially since the whole community is very critical too. I definitely don't the see "ass-kissy" part, at all.
Macy-Leigh Mills thank you! Also, the other day I got a comment that said I was basically EA’s puppet and then on this video I’ve got a comment saying I’m always way too negative towards EA, so it definitely does happen LMAO. But I think it’s right to show constructive criticism and I do it because I love the game so much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i feel like this is the same situation as when they made that "off the grid" lot trait and didn't really provide any objects to let us use that trait efficiently (like you couldn't handwash laundry in the basin because you need water to fill it up??). back then i wished they would just make an off the grid stuff pack so they would actually create objects like solar panels and water collecting jugs, an actual outhouse and maybe stationary bike that sim would use and it would create electricity, that would be fun!! (and we have bikes now, sooo the animation is already in the game) or whatever so it wouldn't be just shitty half done patch put a proper well made feature. but nope. they made tiny living as a stuff pack and it still sucks ass... ladders are already half done, we have ladders in pools. ugh.
I got even more annoyed when I remembered we don’t just have pool ladders we have the BIG LADDERS that reach one storey high from island living for getting out the ocean? Why can’t we put that in our houses?
Yeah I think this should have been a "Game Pack" to allow for more objects to be built such as ladders, bunk beds and more combos of items. Perhaps even a town with small builds. This concept is HUGE in the Sims Community and it's a shame they only made it a stuff pack.
1000% agree. It's also not just huge in the Sims Community - Tiny Living is really spreading worldwide, and I've read that quite a few towns and such have developed tiny house communities for veterans, low-income families, etc. People have also decided to build tiny homes instead of struggling to afford a mortgage. I love the idea of tiny/small living, and a game pack would have not only had the things we, as a Sims Community, have been asking for, but MORE space-saving objects. I loved any type of space-saving objects in The Sims 2, that carried over into Sims 3 and 4, and with more flexibility in Sims 4 for placement, more space-saving objects would have been AMAZING!
LOL you’re so right about the Murphy bed. I actually live in a small apartment and sleep on one irl. And let me tell you, I almost NEVER put it up so I might as well just have a bed lol. I think the concept of a Murphy bed sounds cool at first but it isn’t that much more practical? Like, who wants to move their furniture around everyday
I think Murphy beds are more suited to guest rooms, in that it would only become a bed during the occasion you actually need an extra room to suddenly become a bedroom. And then when the guest leaves it goes back to being stored. That’s what I always assume :)
The feelin' fine all the time perk really gets me, Sims are already just constantly happy anyway! If anything I would have preferred more challenges gameplay wise, or instead of just speeding up or boosting things we already have in the game, creating some unique perks instead
Kind of what made the sims 4 boring. It's so easy to keep a sim happy, advancing in their career and improving a relationship, to the point that any perks that make that easier are pointless. If anything I want more of a challenge.
Everyone constantly asks EA to make better game play yet all they constantly do is add CAS and furniture 🙈 We need Emotions either scrapped or done better. I dont know a single player who loves emotions? The old system of wants and fears and memories was superior and I thought it was just nostalgic but it isnt because you have to do is watch someone play a older version and you can see the difference instantly with gameplay!
I totally agree. I specifically have a mod that sets their default mood to fine specifically for that reason. It just makes you have to work for their happiness which is a little more realistic...
I totally agree that we needed some new traits with this pack!!! Also this would have been an AMAZING time to introduce bunk beds, and ladders! Ladders in a tiny house are an essential for most to save space. I don't know if I will actually purchase this pack because I feel like I would play for a day or two and then be done with it
I'm telling you. A sims 2 freetime style dlc. That brings back hobby enthusiasm, interests, and maybe even chemistry would do a lot to bring back things to do, and even personality for the sims
Shelby Etcheson But sometimes you just want to place a bed and then that’s it. I don’t always feel like upgrading my stuff just because it otherwise breaks all the time 🤷♀️
It’s so frustrating!!! After a few sim days playing with a Murphy bed I had to delete it. Even after upgrading it still broke. I’m all for a fun new death but it breaks way too often and your sim dies way too often.
I think the real problem with this new pack is it should never have been just a stuff pack. It honestly could have been an expansion pack with a new world full of cute quirky tiny homes with ladders, bunk beds, (maybe even spiral stairs) and everything everyone feels it is missing. It should have had new traits and aspirations but EAs excuse is iTs JuSt A sTuFf PaCk.... then this idea of tiny homes should not have been a stuff pack. Should have been an expansion pack with how much opportunity this idea came with. They could have really gone all out with this idea and instead they made it a stuff pack with a bunch of limitations on time and development. Kind of a shame.
truth. man, i hate stuff packs bc they are unnecessary and are just a fancy version of sims 3 store. we would be better off without them. Pretty sure that all the stuff packs's themes could had been coming quite well in expansions or even game packs. For example Spooky and Backyard Stuff should have been in seasons, obviously that My first Pet should have been in cats and dogs, the vintage glamour in get famous and tiny living should had come in city living (in fact i would prefer to have a expansion/game pack about tiny homes and apartments that you can build anywhere and then we could have a expansion similar to late night/nightlife/hot date with bowling, bars, night clubs, forming clubs/group activities, karaoke bars, etc). i don't like sims 4 expansions titles and themes bc you never know what they are about and what will comes with them (like they tend to mix themes of different previous expansions so bc of that things are not well in-depth). There is so many thing wrong with sims 4 (and some cannot be fixed at this point). Like the fact they keep fragmenting the content in tiny pieces is one of the problem, another one is the fact that they gave us a rushed base game that even until today it's still feeling quite uncompleted, one that can not be fixed is the way the worlds are made (like the fact you have limited lots that they give us instead of being the players adding how many we want and also the fact you cannot edit the world). Everything is so limitated and that is a turn off (i hope they don't do the same system in sims 5, but is EA so i will not be surprise). if they stop doing stuff games once for all, stopped mixing themes of expansion and also added all the base game content that is still missing (NPC, cars, improving babies, improving relationships, improving off the grid to be more eco-friendly, find a way that emotion system work well with traits, etc ) maybe the game could start to get a little bit better
It would be amazing if, as an expansion or game pack, it had a sort of futuristic theme along with the tiny living theme. Imagine getting a new world where some Sims lived in tiny homes with only the bare essentials and basic space-saving objects (ladders, bunk/loft beds, sofa beds, all-in-one bathroom, foldable tables, etc.) whilst others had high-tech tiny homes with lots of luxuries (smart homes/AI, murphy beds, oven-microwave unit/wall mounted microwaves, countertop stoves, electronic fold-away furniture, spiral staircases, elevators, teleportation, etc.) It would've fit the tiny living trend, since some homes are economical, rustic and/or tembory-builds whilst others are high-end, modern homes. Plus the world could've had neighbourhoods in which one is full of more secluded, cosy homes, another is a tiny home village, and another has futuristic micro-mansions. As an expansion, there could be even more features, like new traits (claustrophobe, free spirit, minimalist, technophobe, tech-lover, eco-friendly, wasteful, etc.), negative buffs/moodlets as well as positive one for tiny homes (like cabin fever if you stay indoors too long, or angry/tense if the tiny lot is crowded, materialistic Sims could hate tiny homes, etc.), average to futuristic cars, bikes, and scooters, and public transport like buses, trams and trains since you'd want to travel and explore more. tl;dr: this pack is full of wasted potential, would've been so much better as an expansion pack 😧
My first thought when I saw this pack announced was 'this was designed by people who have never lived in a tiny home'. Where are the small kitchen and bathroom items?! A bathroom that has a toilet/sink combined, or a corner shower? A kitchen with a hob, oven and dishwasher combined? A small fridge unit that has a counter top to prepare food? Because that's what I had in my small apartment. No bunk beds and ladders is just criminal. No one wants clunky stairs in their tiny homes. The only features I really like is the lot types + traits, but the homes not having the correct functionality with items is just going to be bothersome and takes away the immersion.
Honestly, sims 4 is just so lackluster for me. I bought the last couple packs when they first came out and was bored after a day or two. Sims 3 may not have the cool graphics and style of the Sims 4, but I went back to playing it three weeks ago and haven't gotten bored yet. As well as the fact that even stuff packs in the Sims 3 had more things in it than in the expansion packs for the Sims 4. Kinda sad, really. In the Sims 4, challenges and mods are the only things that really makes it interesting, and sometimes I just don't wanna mod my game to hell and back. If I do get Tiny Living, it will definatly be during the next sale. Sorry for my rant, I'm usually a lurker but I felt a need to speak up on this a bit.
the sims 3 was so ahead of its time, its pretty sad. the map is so interactive and detailed (altho the lag sucked), and i loved the use of cars, biking places, going grocery shopping, etc. sims 4 doesnt have any of the struggle or development sims 3 had.
zackattack9772 Sims 3 tends to lag for me in larger worlds or the paradiso expansion. Plus, Sims 3 isn’t really mod supportive. There are ways to make your game run smoother with CC, but I would say adding homes filled with CC or other buildings is pretty much begging for lag spikes.
it was fun for 10 minutes to build a tiny house, tiny houses to me were more exciting when it wasn’t being catered to you thru a pack and when you had to deal with the problems
Plumbella it really is! i like this pack a lot for the fashion and furniture style and how cozy it all feels, and bought it mostly because of that. but i think we can all agree there wasn’t much furniture in the tiny house spirit.
I like the pack in concept, but the particular aesthetic doesn't appeal to me, which is fine. BUT I was really hoping for more small surfaces like the roller side table from Get to Work that really only takes 1/4 tile, and just generally smaller stuff. Maybe half-counter sink/stove combos too.
I definitely agree with all the negatives. Sims 3 had spiral staircases, ladders, bunk/loft-beds, and an all-in-one bathroom. Why wasn't this carried over? Why weren't these provided in a tiny living pack? A new dining set is cute, but there's dozens. A new dresser is nice, but there's plenty. A new anything is nice, but not when it doesn't fit the theme of a pack people are paying money for.
Yea but you'd have to really force it. Besides with your sims happy/inspired buffs lasting twice as long, it might take longer for you to fight with somebody.
I would have loved it if we got those all-in-one bathrooms from the (I think?) Island Paradise pack from Sims 3! They were a single square and you could fulfil your bladder and hygiene needs all in one and take up less than half the space! I think that would have been a perfect addition to this pack, but I guess not
"Life shi** sometimes and I want to represent that in the sims" YES!!! Burglars in the older sims, repo man, death wills, Mrs Crumplebottom being..Well..Herself. The sims lacks personality and I get bored quickly as theirs lack of proper, gameplay vs the older sims games. I find it too be too PC, add more deaths, add some creepiness factor etc. I don't know if their intention is to make it kid friendly, but TS1 creeped me out at times and I loved it!
I think around TS3 the game started to get... too easy?? Like there's no challenge, i remember struggling to keep my sims alive in TS2 so everything felt exciting and there was a reason to use cheats because it was difficult! I'm playing TS3 for now and there's no struggle at all and with TS4 i feel like it's even easier...
@@Kwiwit yep it started with last packs from TS3 and I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. If you want to make things easier make the possibility for the player to choose how they want to play: new style without bulgars, higher salaries ecc (easy mode) or old style with repoman, high chances of death (difficult mode).. is it too difficult???
It’s definitely a very build focused pack. I wished there was some more build items but I can see why they didn’t because we have the new tiny home system and the Murphy bed animation sooooo.
i’m kind of confused why people are happy that your sim can die using the murphy bed - wouldn’t that be really annoying in gameplay if your sim just randomly dies while trying to go to sleep?
That's what I thought as well. Everyone was talking about easier deaths and "harder" gameplay, but.. but.. I just wanted to sleep and now the whole story I thought out for my family got crushed by a godforsaken Murphy bed. :( :D
It's an object with history, and that history is killing your sim. It's always been this way, and I'm 100% confident the outrage if it didn't kill your sim would be vastly louder.
I think there should just be an in game option (like turning the ability to gain fame on/ off) that determines whether Murphy beds kill your sims. I can’t be saving my game every time my sim wants a nap
Yeah, I know the history as well, and I am sure people would be very angry if they wouldn't have that trait, but the things breaking after one use and it happening to sooo many people on first time use.. maybe a bit.. overkill. :D
They could have had a loft bed type of item! Usually when I watch the tiny home shows on HGTV they usually have loft beds! Like a “second floor” low to the ground bed! But we would have needed a ladder for that!😅
Bunk beds, ladders, spiral staircases, 1 tile table and chair set, exterior decor, a ceiling window that can be placed on an angled roof, a new glass door/a door that can be toggled to stay open as well as new windows that can toggle open, one tile fireplace, are all cool things that could have and should have been added. They could have even added things we have never seen before like a table that looks like a shelf and attaches to the wall. Again it could be one tile total for the chair and shelf. The pack should have been about saving space but also having the outside space be an extension of the home. Ponds and unique pergola type items would have also been cool considering the massive amount of yard that you now have to deal with. I am so disappointed that they have so many opportunities with every pack to innovate but choose not to. With the amount of money they are raking in I think we give them too much grace with how bad some of these packs are. I hope and pray The Sims 5 is innovative and not another step backwards.
Campers or rvs use alot of this wall furniture, and saying that where is my kitchen table/booth that turns into a bed that every camper and rv has? lol But saying that it would be awesome for my sim to be able to buy and live in a rv that can be moved into any lot!!!
the thing i wanted to see in this stuff pack (realised when i played it today) is that instead of another toilet i'd like a STOVE that coud be placed on counter (you can live without a oven believe me), i mean the stove itself takes so much space
Love that idea, and I was even thinking things like a counter/sink with a trash can function in the cupboard! Like... just more combo items... ughhh so many missed opportunities as usual :(
i think a cool thing EA could’ve done with this pack is like, tiny fridges, or even like a half stove/half sink combo - all of which are quite popular in apartments, especially in Europe. it seems so silly that we still have huge ovens and fridges that we need to cram into a 32 tile home :/
A claustrophobic trait is an excellent idea! I hope they can integrate that into the game at some point in the future... I'm pretty happy about having the murphy bed as I remember really enjoying it in the sims 2 and I like that it has added a new death to the game. I do see how people can be frustrated about the bunk beds and I agree ladders would have been excellent for this pack. I thought sims relationships would have more impact in the negative as well as the positive in this pack or have I got that wrong? Also I like that the plants grow faster - can't wait to get my bees in a new tiny house garden too haha
100% agree with your review! Its the one I can relate to the most. I’m really not fussed about the Murphy bed and I’m glad you called it out. Love your videos
Honestly, this pack had SO much potential and they kinda just... half-assed it. I would have loved more appliances or furniture with double functions. You mentioned briefly a toilet inside a shower, and things like that would've been PERFECT. Bookshelves that fit under stairs, toilets with built-in sinks, tables that collapse away, coffee tables with bookshelves. I've seen all that in tiny homes (I watch a lot of the tours and have done a lot of research on them cause my mom wants one one day) I feel like the developers pick an item Simmers want, make six of them, chose a style, remake some general objects in that style, and BOOM stuff pack.
There are so many missed opportunities with this pack! No ladders, no bunk beds, no smaller appliances, no new traits, no new aspirations, no toilet/sink combos, ect. Could've made for a great GP if they decided to go the extra mile with it.
One thing I miss in the Sims 4 is how the previous Sims had the ability to have multiple households on one block, defined by special doors and letterboxes to create this. In Australia, we are seeing more and more conjoined houses being built as people downgrade block size. I'm craving for Sims 4 to release this again, and create a neighbourhood with a section of very small blocks and cul-desacs (sp).
I think that the Micro House perk in regards to relationships should have been that relationships are both positively AND negatively impacted a lot quicker. Sims could just as likely get frustrated with each other as they were to get closer. I’ve given up on hoping for ladders, but a loft style bed that you could put a couch, desk or dining table etc underneath would have been perfect for space saving. 🤷♂️
All my sims live in mansions so I don’t think this pack will benefit me at all. Meanwhile, at EA HQ: “Hey guys, got a great idea for another pack... Mansion Living.”
They said they wanted to try something new with this pack which is fine but if they wanted to do it, they should have gone all the way with it. Like Jesse said they should have added traits, aspirations, and they should have added like a toilet sink combo (kind of like they have in prisons lol) idk I just dont see the point of this pack but that's just my opinion
Yeah, I'm really not a fan of the female hairs in this pack. :\ I actually love MM/clay hair, but the styles in this one are really meh, for me. I want more LONG hair!
I downloaded a fan made pac (I think it's called minimalistic living but idk could be wrong) and with it came a kitchen bench (English is not my first language) that was also a table. I use it all the time and it would have really fit in with this pack!
there are soo many things that i wish they would have added like bunk beds, an open concept shower could have also helped a lot! like a shower head for the wall and a drain on the floor! I also find that although tiny living and off grid don't go together, i'd like them to because I came across so many challenges when trying to build a tiny off grid home! they need all the wall sconces that are candles to be off grid so that people living in tiny houses can use those to save electricity! I also wish the deck wasn't considered a part of my tiny home!
They did say that the relationship benefits can go either way -- negative or positive. So there's that. And murphy beds are a thing here. Or they were in the 80s at least.
@@Plumbella girl don't be feeling down on yourself you're gorgeous as heck. Let me know if you're ever down south would love to paint you and make you feel confident ❤
They have Murphy beds in the USA... my friends have a couple and it has a desk on it when the bed is up and when the bed goes down the stuff on the desk can stay
The point of a murphy bed is to have all of the extra space while the bed is up. We actually have 2 of them in my actual home that double as shelving units, and we pull the beds out for guests. So they're nice because you can literally have full-on beds almost anywhere without constantly taking up that space.
Murphy beds should have been included in city living, bunk beds should have been included in university, and ladders should have been included in tiny living.
You're SO-so-so right.
Maybe they could've even introduced just one of those bunk beds that underneath you can put your desk and such too or a hang out space? Like a couch. Would've made things SO fun.
@@iTeacupPanda That's called a loft bed if you didn't know and that would have helped the tiny living pack way more. The sims team have spoken about ladders apparently they have tried but can't get it to work which makes no sense to me because we've had them before in sims 3 (not sure about 2)
AnimeLover1994 W We had ladders in Island Living. They literally already have half of the animations done.
I heard a rumor that Murphy beds were supposed to come with City Living, but they decided to do the Talking Toilet instead. I don't know if there is actually any truth to this claim, but if it is true, it was the dumbest decision ever.
this is the take right here
I love that even though she's a game changer she isn't scared to give her honest opinion on things. I feel like a lot of the game changers are too positive about packs to the extent were it feels fake. Plumbella is so truthful.
*AND THATS ON PERIODT LUV*
All the ones I watch (minus LaurenZSide who uses them not for reviews but just weird videos) give honest opinion. Clare Sciobhan was disappointed from the get-go cause there were no bunkbeds. Lil Simsie is normally critical, but I think she was too excited about the pack idea to see the bad things. So that's 2 of 3...
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere I agree I watched clare and kaylas reviews but some game changers don't give criticism is what Im saying
I can imagine that's the case.
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere yep
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere you know that people can see only the positive side too right? Yeah I was surprised that Lilsimsie's title wasn't "everything wrong with tiny-living" but when I really see the pack, it's the things she likes so I understand why she didn't have negative things to say!!
Claustrophobia was a great idea, makes it feel more realistic w stuff like that. They shld ask u for more ideas.
M&M agreed. or they could make A stuff pack just with traits
Claustrophobia and agoraphobia
same its a fantastic idea
Claustrophobia = loves the outdoors, agoraphobia = paranoid. The mechanics are all in there already.
It's not exactly news that we want more traits and aspirations, but here they really missed a great chance to add atleast one. Claustrophobic would have been great!
I think they should release a “what you’ve been asking for” game pack. Give us all the little random things we’ve been wanting for years: bunk beds, ladders, etc etc that would be brilliant and not to mention the money that pack would make 👀☕️ Pitch it to them Jess!
Nah make it an expansion. Theres so much stuff missing from packs before that have been overlooked 🤦🏾
I'm not all that sure EA are really into giving us what we want. The last time we voted for an 'Eco-Living' pack (EA had put out polls of some kind and asked us to vote), they thought we wanted a whole pack based on doing laundry, simply because handwashing clothes in a tub and hanging them on a line counted as 'eco-living' to them.
Yes👏😫
I've said on a James Turner vid..they need to call It the "For the love of god...HERE" PACK🤣
Katy Spence YES 🤣
Plumbella needs to get hired on the sims development team and bring the nostalgia of older sims games into sims 4
That would be a giant update, because the Sims coding doesn't seem to support itself in what it's trying to sell. Traits and emotions don't mix and it may be due to the Sims being rushed. Honestly, if they change anything about the depth of the game it wouldn't feel like I've paid full price for alpha
Agreeeed
Galaga I don’t think they are talking about alpha I just think they are talking about like cas stuff and stuff like thwt
I think she could make a big difference if she was given freedom of decisions, which.. is probably not the case with EA or any other big company. Decisions are probably made by people who know the least about Sims.
Yeah same but at the end of the day this is also a business and realistically I feel like she won't get the last say and most of her ideas would get shut down :/
They coulda put traits like
Claustrophobic- this sim gets tense when in tiny houses and small spaces
Cozy- this sim feels safe and cozy in Small spaces and they will bring on positive emotions
Close- this sim likes to be close to other sims being in a tiny home with another sim will boost happy emotions
Yesss and Minimalist - this sim prefers a small, simple home with fewer objects - they become unhappy when there is too much furniture and decor. I'd have been sold on this pack if it had new traits... At the moment to me the title of it doesn't make sense (what's new)
Postindustrial emotions...?
Mecha what does that mean ??
SpaceDementia_ yes I agree with you the name confuses me when they are no traits reneforcing it it wouldn’t have been that hard to put in at least one I would’ve preferred it over the cas. I still think it’s a good pack certainly not the worst but I am a little disappointed
Strange Child it means I have no idea what you meant when you said small spaces could bring on, and I quote, “postindustrial emotions” what is that?
I feel like nobody really appreciates Jess's building skills, if she's not doing a challenge or anything she's actually pretty good
She's a good builder in general. Most people can only build a square building. She's amazing. She should give herself more credit.
I swear even in challenges her houses turn out amazinggg. Her builds are so well done
What do mean that you except for building challenges
@@multistan9650 i think he or she said it because she does difficult challenges where she has to build a romantic garden bedroom for example
Another point; where's the tiny fridge to fit in a tiny house? I know they have one in the college pack, but if you don't have the college pack you have to use the big fridges that really don't duit the esthetic of tiny living.
Yeah but then people wouldn't pay $40 just to get tiny fridges ;)
@Axel Drans yeah we have something similar in Argentina, its half the size of an american stove and its often used in apartments. It would have been really cool to see something like that
Axel Drans
The only thing that was non-American/full western culture was City Living, where is was a mix match of different cultures. I like that EA tried, but I don't think they tried hard enough, if you're going to implement different cultures you should have a pack for each representative and not just thrown into one all together with half the effort, because in doing so we get less than half of that culture. Whether its your own culture or someone who loves exploring culture in real life, or has even adopted a new, and wants more of if in game. A shame and I hope EA makes a change and tries just a little bit more, but the way I see it, I think they're on the right track and we just need to keep nudging.
It takes up the same space so what’s the point really
Thats been the frequently tought on The Sims 4 life time. Every Stuff pack is basically a feature that in the past was part of a big pack. For example The Sims 3 University Life came with murphy beds, bowling, arcade machines and mini fridges. To get that in The Sims 4 you need Discover University EP for mini fridges, Bowling Night SP for bowling, Tiny Living SP for murphy beds, Get Together EP for the only arcade machine that TS4 got until now. I can make a lot of lists like this comparing both TS3 or even TS2. And the fact that both TS3 and TS2 provide a better base, it makes TS4 experience even worse to me!
In terms of tiny living stuff, they could have incorporated things from countries like Japan, where there isn't much living space in urban areas. Some homes have toilets where the back of the toilet is actually a sink. Water that goes down the sink drain is used to fill the toilet to conserve water.
There are also desks that are attached to the wall on one end and are folded down when in use, and folded back up onto the wall otherwise.
Dining tables can have a section on each end that can be folded or slid up/down. The table can be kept folded until guests come over, and then the sections can be folded out by your Sim.
I think the Sims team thought more about adding cute items to the game, as opposed to functionality, which is important when living in a confined space.
This is the best comment on this video. Imagine a Japan inspired world (that we definitely don't have) but only those urban areas you mentioned... Like everyone is saying, this should have been an expansion pack!
Psss there's some space-saving CC like that, such as the sink-toilet combo! 👀💓
Absolutely. Aside from a folding bed, and a stereo on a shelf (which is doable with cheats anyway), the objects take up the same space as anything else anyway
THIS is the review. for me it doesn’t matter how cute everything is- it’s called tiny living- the items should reflect that- 1/4 and 1/2 tile items were something i was looking forward to- and i’ve yet to see a tiny house that doesn’t have a ladder leading to a loft bed....so i’m disappointed overall.
and your idea for a claustrophobia trait is brilliant.
They could have added a toilet/sink combo that would have been neat.
yeah, like those you can see in videos about tiny apartments in Japan
@@yadiracamacho499 Exactly!
Yes,I was really hoping we would get that. Maybe someone will do a cc version.
@@KatMethod there's already one someone made on ModtheSims - was added Monday
I have one. Like with a sink on the back where the toilet lid normally would be. Perfect for our little cupboard toilet
I can't believe that you can't make a loft for your tiny house. What kind of tiny house doesn't have a loft? Also, Murphy beds are nice but I feel like they should have included them in City Living. Also, we need bunk beds.
Yeah it's especially disappointing when you remember that sims 2 apartments added apartments that you could actually build yourself and move up to 4 families in which including building like townhouses and trailer parts and family shared lots (I used to add an annex to a family house and move the elder sims into there or adults once they "moved out" to start a family); Murphy beds; witches that had spells, familiars which were actual spirit animals like cats that would appear, evil and good alignments; spiral staircases; butlers; networking and social groups that had their own greetings and handshakes; built in wardrobes; new socials including special ones just for kids; playground sets including big tall jungle gyms, slides, roundabouts, monkey bars etc; vending machines; vibrating beds like the old love beds in Sims; a reputation system; life skills like making them better at putting out fires or couples counseling; and roommates!
I keep waiting for the spiral staircase! I was expecting it in the Magic Pack at least 🙁 takes up so much less space!
@@heartgeek90 I'd be very surprised if they don't come soon,along with things like bunk beds. I'm wondering if those and the loft option are in a planned pack for this year, like a specific home upgrade type pack... let's hope so!x
How to make a loft easily:
1. make a normal 2 story house
2. place one of those deck thingies without the fences in the floor where you want the loft to be
3. delete the floor(since the deck and the floor are two different things when you delete the floor it won't delete the deck)
boom, loft, it's been here since the enitial release, us sims 4 players really need to stop complaining(note that I didn't find this by myself, I found a tutorial on youtube but I cant remember who made it.).
@@aromanticfranziskavonkarma yeah but that does add tile space
We have been wanting more depths in the game for YEARS. Let's say it together: Paralives is a real threat and once it's out the will have to make the Sims better haha
Sims needs a worthy competitor. It's why Disney is good, initially they didn't have a competitor, but as soon as they did they upped their game. Sims needs that too.
I’m sick of unnecessary DLCs. EA is just draining money from its customers now. You have to wait years for one feature we got in the base game or one expansion pack back in the sims 2 & 3. Their extreme capitalistic strategy is such a pain.
Well the only things I’ve seen from paralives in build stuff so I’m confused as to how it can compete with the sims if it just looks like an architect game. Sure building is fun in the sims but there’s so much more than that
@@immaperfectionist They said that the release of people is coming soon. They're called parafolk :)
@@unorginalusernamehereYESS you're absolutely right! We shouldn't put the same expectations on a small indie dev studio as on EA, that's just unhealthy. Speaking as a developer myself (not in games but still) there's only so many hours in a day and so many dollars in a budget, some corners need to be cut to make it to release - and thus someone always will be disappointed that their favourite feature didn't make it.
What if each tier forced you to pick one more negative trait? So you got to choose but you’d still be stuck with some challenge. So what ever tier you have, you have to pick a corresponding number of flaws (three drawbacks for third tier). Here are some ideas:
Relationships fall twice as quickly
Objects break more often
Power shuts down occasionally
Water shuts down occasionally
Hygiene lowers quicker
Social lowers quicker
Any other ideas would be great.
Kind of like how in Sims Medieval, you had to pick 3 positive traits about yourself and one "fatal flaw" about yourself.... I loved that because even though some were "easier" to deal with or resolve than others, I still would choose based on what I wanted my character to be like. They should have done that with the sims, except, maybe make the negative trait optional (or make a toggle for it in the game options) so that people can choose what kind of lifestyle they want. Maybe do it for both lot traits AND sim traits. But, definitely lot traits! Maybe you build a fixer-upper and you've "fixed it up" aesthetically but.... the plumbing is still bad and you have a higher chance of plumbing breaking. Like it seems they have with City Living- bugs and rats and broken apartment stuff.....
Things around the house getting dirtier or breaking more often makes so much sense, i can't believe they didn't think about it
Grungy and creepy crawlies are already available for lot traits.
What about a negative modifier to mood for the tiny house being too cramped (more than 2 people inside)? It could also increase for every additional person you tried to fit in there
@@sleekoduck Not for base game..... So if you only get Tiny living (and no other pack), you can't have those traits unless they're included in Tiny Living, too.
I think that this pack is great, the objects are really good and I’ll use them all the time, I would have just liked to see more space saving objects 😇
Jumpers from primark, it’s a pyjama set 💛
Plumbella i love your videos & you’re so hilarious. 😊 BTW THANK YOU FOR LOVING MY COMMENT IT MADE MY DAY ❤️
Who knew you could hate Eliza Pancakes even faster! Best addition to the pack
I would have loved to see a smaller sink that takes half a tile or... A COMPOSTING OUTHOUSE!
The Sims team did not tell us that in the live stream, so that's why everyone is confused
I feel the same
The developers who made this pack must’ve never seen a tiny home in their lives. Ladders could’ve been added, spiral stairs could’ve been added, bunk beds could’ve been added, a bed with a desk underneath could’ve been added, a small fridge could’ve been added, and so much more. Not everyone can own every pack, like me, and it sucks that they make packs expensive and miss things out regularly. Sims needs to watch out for Paralives.
Don’t get me wrong, the items are cute in this pack, but they missed out so much stuff that they could’ve added. They missed opportunities.
lily. i can’t wait till paralives comes out!!
Lmao university added mini fridges
This would have been a great pack if it had spiral stairs ladders and bunk beds ....I mean its tiny living
That's what I had in my TINY ASS dorm in college -- a bunk bed with a desk underneath. I lived with 3 other girls and we all had this so we'd have a place to sleep and a place to study that was our own. It was a great way to really utilize all four corners of the room
University already came with a small fridge :)
Yes, a normal bed could be used as a sofa but it looks like your sim has just moved in and has no proper furniture. The Murphy bed means your home looks complete and fully furnished, full living room and bedroom.
Ladders should definitely have been included, would allow for an upstairs in these small houses and could build some really cool lofts.
I agree with the ladders it would have been fantastic to see them with this pack, or even just a spiral staircase to save space. I was trying to do a tiny home last night with a loft and trying to fit in the stairs in a way that works took forever
@@unorginalusernamehere Very expensive my ass, they got $5 Billion out of the Sims 4 last year. Step your game the fuck up EA you're your money is going down, not going to buy this pack for a murphy bed.
@@unorginalusernamehere So I guess they have a small budget for stuff packs. Which is why they're so cheap.
Axel Drans Honestly, the only way to fix that would be to boycott every other pack. If it hurts their bottom line, they’ll listen. But that’d be really hard to organize.
@@unorginalusernamehere Having said that, THEY ALREADY HAVE LADDERS. So what? They cant put an already added thing into the game?
This pack did exactly what every other pack does : I get interested, think about buying it, watch some TH-cam reviews and then realize the game is still boring. In this case, tho, the buffs make the game even easier - which I didn't think was possible! I do like the TV combo and the single square desks, but that's not enough to make this worth buying.
I tried playing yesterday with mods. Couldn't do it. It's nice to see people who have never played the Sims before play it, makes me want to try again, only to lose interest
mbmirkwood omg yess
I'm still waiting to see someone use the mircohome in GAMEPLAY! After all isnt that the point 😂
Im worried it may be too impossible... Maybe for a couple at first or friends in university BUT to play family game play? Ah I dont know
the only way I can play the sims at the moment is after taking a break for a few months.. I can't justify buying any expansion packs anymore and I'd love to see an overhaul of the base game and added free-content to really flesh out the things that need to be improved upon
Ikr? The Sims 2 gameplay was challenging and interesting, but every time I turn the Sims 4 on I feel like something's wrong. I can play for, like, 30 mins and then I get bored. The game needs so much more than just stuff or expansion packs. It seems like TS4 was released not so long ago considering how..boring it is. Even with all these expansion packs and stuff I still feel like I play a vanilla game.
Plumbella - ‘I’m sorta disappointed by the Sims 4 Tiny Living pack’
EA - ‘ight imma head out’
Yes, also I heard that ladders were not made because of the difficult animations, I do not understand why it is difficult to animate, I mean we have pool ladders even kids climbing in monkey bars.
And the island living ocean ladders, wich are like, full on ladders
it's literally their job :| what kind of excuse..
It's an excuse. The reason they aren't beinf added is because the EA higher ups don't want it added yet. I'm sure the Sims team want a to add it, but they aren't allowed to.
If that's the case, then how come they could do it, in the sims 2, and 3, along with being able to climb out of ladders? They are paid to animate. Lazy and an excuse
It’s not the difficulty itself, it’s the cost to do something of that level of difficulty. They explained on the livestream that the resources needed for bunk beds were over budget for the stuff pack so they couldn’t include them. Not a fun answer, but it’s the reality of this kind of work.
Omg if they brought a claustrophobic trait with this pack that would have been so interesting to deal with. Another challenge like if they have to do tint living but they're claustrophobic
Edit: I wrote this before she even mentions claustrophobia, I'm glad she agrees lol
I pray to god that they add more aspirations and traits cause at this point it's become so boring trying to come up with new trait combinations even with the random option. Honestly don't need anything else but that
Have you tried downloading more? There are lots of custom traits and quite a few custom aspirations.
@@writer_chacha you're right, but shouldn't _developers_ be thinking about their game? The TS community is huge, there is, undoubtedly, a lot of custom content for a game - but it should be developers' priority to make their game more interesting and diverse.
@@crazydiamond1273 they did a survey recently I hope will change things.
@@Mskittenlover12 the game was released in 2014..I honestly have no hopes for better changes, but it's good to know they plan to listen to players' complains.
Ugh a claustrophobia trait would have been the best 😭 or like their relationships get strained in tiny houses
Yeah to me it doesn't make sense they get a relationship BONUS instead of a relationship strain... but I guess this is The Sims 4, where everything has to be happy and sugary all the time 🙄
They should’ve added a trait which makes your sims sanity lower in tiny houses cause what would happen to me if I was stuck in this claustrophobic house.
@@foxygrin The gurus mentioned in the tiny living stream that all relationships are boosted, even negative ones. So a fight in a tiny home is going to cause twice as much negative "gain". So while the micro homes are still probably too good, there is that.
having a ‘minimalist’ trait would be cool too, on the flip side of claustrophobic
Ooh yes! And they get stressed if they live in a home larger than 100 squares or when they're in a room with more than a certain amount of objects, maybe.
I've seen a lot of people complaining about sims youtubers being negative recently. If you get hate for this, just know that we love you and we know that you are positive and your opinions are constructive criticism not hate ❤
What are you talking about lol who ever said that. The game changers are the least negative and most ass-kissy when something about sims 4 isnt right....
@@radwooah you clearly don't go on twitter often 😅 Sadly Ive seen a lot of hate towards them lately and if you watch lilsimsies streams she has mentioned she has seen a lot of negative comments and tweets recently
@@radwooah idk what YOU are talking about lmao, all the game changers I watch are very critical, which I appreciate, but it can even get tiring sometimes, specially since the whole community is very critical too. I definitely don't the see "ass-kissy" part, at all.
Macy-Leigh Mills thank you!
Also, the other day I got a comment that said I was basically EA’s puppet and then on this video I’ve got a comment saying I’m always way too negative towards EA, so it definitely does happen LMAO. But I think it’s right to show constructive criticism and I do it because I love the game so much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Plumbella No problem! Northern lasses have got to stick together. Try not to take any of it to heart
i feel like this is the same situation as when they made that "off the grid" lot trait and didn't really provide any objects to let us use that trait efficiently (like you couldn't handwash laundry in the basin because you need water to fill it up??). back then i wished they would just make an off the grid stuff pack so they would actually create objects like solar panels and water collecting jugs, an actual outhouse and maybe stationary bike that sim would use and it would create electricity, that would be fun!! (and we have bikes now, sooo the animation is already in the game) or whatever so it wouldn't be just shitty half done patch put a proper well made feature. but nope. they made tiny living as a stuff pack and it still sucks ass... ladders are already half done, we have ladders in pools. ugh.
island living in general is so lacking im still mad about how they did mermaids so dirty
I got even more annoyed when I remembered we don’t just have pool ladders we have the BIG LADDERS that reach one storey high from island living for getting out the ocean? Why can’t we put that in our houses?
@@sophienicholls3749 bb.moveobjects on
Yeah I think this should have been a "Game Pack" to allow for more objects to be built such as ladders, bunk beds and more combos of items. Perhaps even a town with small builds. This concept is HUGE in the Sims Community and it's a shame they only made it a stuff pack.
1000% agree. It's also not just huge in the Sims Community - Tiny Living is really spreading worldwide, and I've read that quite a few towns and such have developed tiny house communities for veterans, low-income families, etc. People have also decided to build tiny homes instead of struggling to afford a mortgage. I love the idea of tiny/small living, and a game pack would have not only had the things we, as a Sims Community, have been asking for, but MORE space-saving objects. I loved any type of space-saving objects in The Sims 2, that carried over into Sims 3 and 4, and with more flexibility in Sims 4 for placement, more space-saving objects would have been AMAZING!
A new world with lots of smaller lots!
LOL you’re so right about the Murphy bed. I actually live in a small apartment and sleep on one irl. And let me tell you, I almost NEVER put it up so I might as well just have a bed lol. I think the concept of a Murphy bed sounds cool at first but it isn’t that much more practical? Like, who wants to move their furniture around everyday
Exactly
I think Murphy beds are more suited to guest rooms, in that it would only become a bed during the occasion you actually need an extra room to suddenly become a bedroom. And then when the guest leaves it goes back to being stored. That’s what I always assume :)
It's purpose is that you can put it up if you have guests.
“i’M cOsTaFoBiC dArReN” - The big GC, National treasure
The feelin' fine all the time perk really gets me, Sims are already just constantly happy anyway! If anything I would have preferred more challenges gameplay wise, or instead of just speeding up or boosting things we already have in the game, creating some unique perks instead
Agreed. I’m sick of them adding in gameplay items that affect your sims moods. They hardly do anything besides when the sims are uncomfortable.
Kind of what made the sims 4 boring. It's so easy to keep a sim happy, advancing in their career and improving a relationship, to the point that any perks that make that easier are pointless. If anything I want more of a challenge.
Everyone constantly asks EA to make better game play yet all they constantly do is add CAS and furniture 🙈
We need Emotions either scrapped or done better. I dont know a single player who loves emotions? The old system of wants and fears and memories was superior and I thought it was just nostalgic but it isnt because you have to do is watch someone play a older version and you can see the difference instantly with gameplay!
I totally agree. I specifically have a mod that sets their default mood to fine specifically for that reason. It just makes you have to work for their happiness which is a little more realistic...
I totally agree that we needed some new traits with this pack!!! Also this would have been an AMAZING time to introduce bunk beds, and ladders! Ladders in a tiny house are an essential for most to save space. I don't know if I will actually purchase this pack because I feel like I would play for a day or two and then be done with it
I'm telling you. A sims 2 freetime style dlc. That brings back hobby enthusiasm, interests, and maybe even chemistry would do a lot to bring back things to do, and even personality for the sims
They recently had a survey with stuffs like this, you should answer it
I’m actually not a fan of the Murphy beds- all they do is break :(
You can upgrade them to fix that
Shelby Etcheson But sometimes you just want to place a bed and then that’s it. I don’t always feel like upgrading my stuff just because it otherwise breaks all the time 🤷♀️
Don't worry, the modders are on it
It’s so frustrating!!! After a few sim days playing with a Murphy bed I had to delete it. Even after upgrading it still broke. I’m all for a fun new death but it breaks way too often and your sim dies way too often.
every time my sim sleeps on it, it breaks, like what is the actual point :(
I think the real problem with this new pack is it should never have been just a stuff pack. It honestly could have been an expansion pack with a new world full of cute quirky tiny homes with ladders, bunk beds, (maybe even spiral stairs) and everything everyone feels it is missing. It should have had new traits and aspirations but EAs excuse is iTs JuSt A sTuFf PaCk.... then this idea of tiny homes should not have been a stuff pack. Should have been an expansion pack with how much opportunity this idea came with. They could have really gone all out with this idea and instead they made it a stuff pack with a bunch of limitations on time and development. Kind of a shame.
Even a game pack would be good for this kinda thing cause they really just don’t do those anymore
truth. man, i hate stuff packs bc they are unnecessary and are just a fancy version of sims 3 store. we would be better off without them. Pretty sure that all the stuff packs's themes could had been coming quite well in expansions or even game packs. For example Spooky and Backyard Stuff should have been in seasons, obviously that My first Pet should have been in cats and dogs, the vintage glamour in get famous and tiny living should had come in city living (in fact i would prefer to have a expansion/game pack about tiny homes and apartments that you can build anywhere and then we could have a expansion similar to late night/nightlife/hot date with bowling, bars, night clubs, forming clubs/group activities, karaoke bars, etc). i don't like sims 4 expansions titles and themes bc you never know what they are about and what will comes with them (like they tend to mix themes of different previous expansions so bc of that things are not well in-depth).
There is so many thing wrong with sims 4 (and some cannot be fixed at this point). Like the fact they keep fragmenting the content in tiny pieces is one of the problem, another one is the fact that they gave us a rushed base game that even until today it's still feeling quite uncompleted, one that can not be fixed is the way the worlds are made (like the fact you have limited lots that they give us instead of being the players adding how many we want and also the fact you cannot edit the world). Everything is so limitated and that is a turn off (i hope they don't do the same system in sims 5, but is EA so i will not be surprise). if they stop doing stuff games once for all, stopped mixing themes of expansion and also added all the base game content that is still missing (NPC, cars, improving babies, improving relationships, improving off the grid to be more eco-friendly, find a way that emotion system work well with traits, etc ) maybe the game could start to get a little bit better
OMG! You're so right. Imagine a world of only 20x15 lots or smaller! Aw, I would've LOVED that!
It would be amazing if, as an expansion or game pack, it had a sort of futuristic theme along with the tiny living theme. Imagine getting a new world where some Sims lived in tiny homes with only the bare essentials and basic space-saving objects (ladders, bunk/loft beds, sofa beds, all-in-one bathroom, foldable tables, etc.) whilst others had high-tech tiny homes with lots of luxuries (smart homes/AI, murphy beds, oven-microwave unit/wall mounted microwaves, countertop stoves, electronic fold-away furniture, spiral staircases, elevators, teleportation, etc.)
It would've fit the tiny living trend, since some homes are economical, rustic and/or tembory-builds whilst others are high-end, modern homes. Plus the world could've had neighbourhoods in which one is full of more secluded, cosy homes, another is a tiny home village, and another has futuristic micro-mansions.
As an expansion, there could be even more features, like new traits (claustrophobe, free spirit, minimalist, technophobe, tech-lover, eco-friendly, wasteful, etc.), negative buffs/moodlets as well as positive one for tiny homes (like cabin fever if you stay indoors too long, or angry/tense if the tiny lot is crowded, materialistic Sims could hate tiny homes, etc.), average to futuristic cars, bikes, and scooters, and public transport like buses, trams and trains since you'd want to travel and explore more.
tl;dr: this pack is full of wasted potential, would've been so much better as an expansion pack 😧
Yassss someone said it!!! Tiny house nation
My first thought when I saw this pack announced was 'this was designed by people who have never lived in a tiny home'. Where are the small kitchen and bathroom items?! A bathroom that has a toilet/sink combined, or a corner shower? A kitchen with a hob, oven and dishwasher combined? A small fridge unit that has a counter top to prepare food? Because that's what I had in my small apartment. No bunk beds and ladders is just criminal. No one wants clunky stairs in their tiny homes. The only features I really like is the lot types + traits, but the homes not having the correct functionality with items is just going to be bothersome and takes away the immersion.
Honestly, sims 4 is just so lackluster for me. I bought the last couple packs when they first came out and was bored after a day or two. Sims 3 may not have the cool graphics and style of the Sims 4, but I went back to playing it three weeks ago and haven't gotten bored yet. As well as the fact that even stuff packs in the Sims 3 had more things in it than in the expansion packs for the Sims 4. Kinda sad, really.
In the Sims 4, challenges and mods are the only things that really makes it interesting, and sometimes I just don't wanna mod my game to hell and back. If I do get Tiny Living, it will definatly be during the next sale.
Sorry for my rant, I'm usually a lurker but I felt a need to speak up on this a bit.
the sims 3 was so ahead of its time, its pretty sad. the map is so interactive and detailed (altho the lag sucked), and i loved the use of cars, biking places, going grocery shopping, etc. sims 4 doesnt have any of the struggle or development sims 3 had.
If Sims 3’s lag and loading issue got fixed, I would never play sims 4 tbh lol.
zackattack9772 Sims 3 tends to lag for me in larger worlds or the paradiso expansion. Plus, Sims 3 isn’t really mod supportive. There are ways to make your game run smoother with CC, but I would say adding homes filled with CC or other buildings is pretty much begging for lag spikes.
it was fun for 10 minutes to build a tiny house, tiny houses to me were more exciting when it wasn’t being catered to you thru a pack and when you had to deal with the problems
im baby ahhh the actual categorised tiny house is probably my favourite part of the pack! That’s the thing about this it’s so subjective 😂
Plumbella it really is! i like this pack a lot for the fashion and furniture style and how cozy it all feels, and bought it mostly because of that. but i think we can all agree there wasn’t much furniture in the tiny house spirit.
I agree with the Murphy bed... a bunk bed/loft bed or even a pull out couch would've been more useful
I like the pack in concept, but the particular aesthetic doesn't appeal to me, which is fine. BUT I was really hoping for more small surfaces like the roller side table from Get to Work that really only takes 1/4 tile, and just generally smaller stuff. Maybe half-counter sink/stove combos too.
I definitely agree with all the negatives.
Sims 3 had spiral staircases, ladders, bunk/loft-beds, and an all-in-one bathroom. Why wasn't this carried over? Why weren't these provided in a tiny living pack?
A new dining set is cute, but there's dozens. A new dresser is nice, but there's plenty. A new anything is nice, but not when it doesn't fit the theme of a pack people are paying money for.
Like it's " tiny living " for god sake, but the ladders and stuffs aren't in it. It's a lie
the whole relationships gaining faster works on the negative side as well
oh ty
Yea but you'd have to really force it. Besides with your sims happy/inspired buffs lasting twice as long, it might take longer for you to fight with somebody.
I also really wants ladders or a spiral staircase. I find that the sims 4 stairs take up too much space when I am trying to build a small home.
University leftovers and free game update but you pay for them: Tiny living
It's a good pack though and for people who don't wanna pay for university it's great, and uni couldn't come with the lot type
When she said 'it'll take more than a £7.99 pack to buy my opinion hens' I felt that 😩👌
I would have loved it if we got those all-in-one bathrooms from the (I think?) Island Paradise pack from Sims 3! They were a single square and you could fulfil your bladder and hygiene needs all in one and take up less than half the space!
I think that would have been a perfect addition to this pack, but I guess not
Look at james Turner's tiny build from the other day. He credited the ppl who show how to make it work in The Sims 4.
So much nostalgia with this comment! When I was a kid, all my Sims' bathrooms were just like three All-in-one bathrooms in a row lmao
"Life shi** sometimes and I want to represent that in the sims" YES!!! Burglars in the older sims, repo man, death wills, Mrs Crumplebottom being..Well..Herself.
The sims lacks personality and I get bored quickly as theirs lack of proper, gameplay vs the older sims games. I find it too be too PC, add more deaths, add some creepiness factor etc. I don't know if their intention is to make it kid friendly, but TS1 creeped me out at times and I loved it!
I think around TS3 the game started to get... too easy?? Like there's no challenge, i remember struggling to keep my sims alive in TS2 so everything felt exciting and there was a reason to use cheats because it was difficult! I'm playing TS3 for now and there's no struggle at all and with TS4 i feel like it's even easier...
@@Kwiwit yep it started with last packs from TS3 and I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. If you want to make things easier make the possibility for the player to choose how they want to play: new style without bulgars, higher salaries ecc (easy mode) or old style with repoman, high chances of death (difficult mode).. is it too difficult???
It’s definitely a very build focused pack. I wished there was some more build items but I can see why they didn’t because we have the new tiny home system and the Murphy bed animation sooooo.
Yes because a new bed and animation is worth $10. This is what the Sims franchise has become.
@@atlas909-n4r it's amazing how you can get people to appreciate things by given them fewer things every time
I’m going to pretend I didn’t read the last part of your comment 😩 how depressing this is what it’s come to
Having an option to have a sponge bath in the sink would have been ideal.
Boy keep your sponge baths to yourself.
Rorschach makes it easier for a tiny build though, chill😂
It’s always interesting to me how the Sims team seems to continually neglect adding new traits.
I feel like the Murphy bed would've been more usable if it doubled as a table or desk when it's put up.
I have seen so many Tiny Living, TH-cam started to show me actual micro houses videos
Murphy bed in the sims 4: gets stuck
Me: **IMMEDIATELY goes to check if the build and world manager options are greyed out**
Please make an entire history of cheats in the sims
Ah, Rosebud. The memories. This is a great idea!
Lu Johnson woah how cool what a good idea and love how u used manners lololol amazing idea ur so smart ly bro
i’m kind of confused why people are happy that your sim can die using the murphy bed - wouldn’t that be really annoying in gameplay if your sim just randomly dies while trying to go to sleep?
That's what I thought as well. Everyone was talking about easier deaths and "harder" gameplay, but.. but.. I just wanted to sleep and now the whole story I thought out for my family got crushed by a godforsaken Murphy bed. :( :D
It's an object with history, and that history is killing your sim. It's always been this way, and I'm 100% confident the outrage if it didn't kill your sim would be vastly louder.
I’m annoyed by that too because I don’t want my sims to die that easily. It makes me not want to use it in my builds.
I think there should just be an in game option (like turning the ability to gain fame on/ off) that determines whether Murphy beds kill your sims. I can’t be saving my game every time my sim wants a nap
Yeah, I know the history as well, and I am sure people would be very angry if they wouldn't have that trait, but the things breaking after one use and it happening to sooo many people on first time use.. maybe a bit.. overkill. :D
They could have had a loft bed type of item! Usually when I watch the tiny home shows on HGTV they usually have loft beds! Like a “second floor” low to the ground bed! But we would have needed a ladder for that!😅
Bunk beds, ladders, spiral staircases, 1 tile table and chair set, exterior decor, a ceiling window that can be placed on an angled roof, a new glass door/a door that can be toggled to stay open as well as new windows that can toggle open, one tile fireplace, are all cool things that could have and should have been added. They could have even added things we have never seen before like a table that looks like a shelf and attaches to the wall. Again it could be one tile total for the chair and shelf. The pack should have been about saving space but also having the outside space be an extension of the home. Ponds and unique pergola type items would have also been cool considering the massive amount of yard that you now have to deal with. I am so disappointed that they have so many opportunities with every pack to innovate but choose not to. With the amount of money they are raking in I think we give them too much grace with how bad some of these packs are. I hope and pray The Sims 5 is innovative and not another step backwards.
When I saw the description, "too cozy", I was hoping for there to be a claustrophobic trait. I was praying but nope. 😯
you are so refreshing and make me so happy with your honesty that is never malicious. thanks for being you, jesse
out of all the things they could give us.. THIS. THIS IS WHAT THEY CHOOSE.
Campers or rvs use alot of this wall furniture, and saying that where is my kitchen table/booth that turns into a bed that every camper and rv has? lol
But saying that it would be awesome for my sim to be able to buy and live in a rv that can be moved into any lot!!!
“I can’t help that I’m a family-oriented sim”
the thing i wanted to see in this stuff pack (realised when i played it today) is that instead of another toilet i'd like a STOVE that coud be placed on counter (you can live without a oven believe me), i mean the stove itself takes so much space
Love that idea, and I was even thinking things like a counter/sink with a trash can function in the cupboard! Like... just more combo items... ughhh so many missed opportunities as usual :(
when she said "what i really really like" immediately put me into the spice girls mode
i think a cool thing EA could’ve done with this pack is like, tiny fridges, or even like a half stove/half sink combo - all of which are quite popular in apartments, especially in Europe. it seems so silly that we still have huge ovens and fridges that we need to cram into a 32 tile home :/
The editing is SUPER i actually love especially when we got the GC
I’m so glad you weren’t too impressed with the Murphy bed!! I honestly didn’t even want it :/ Bunkbeds and ladders are MUCH MORE appealing to me
Ngl I actually hate the "benefits" Part...
Finally someone who adress the relationship bonus! I found very weird that sims weren't wanting to kill each other given the tiny space😂
A claustrophobic trait is an excellent idea! I hope they can integrate that into the game at some point in the future... I'm pretty happy about having the murphy bed as I remember really enjoying it in the sims 2 and I like that it has added a new death to the game. I do see how people can be frustrated about the bunk beds and I agree ladders would have been excellent for this pack. I thought sims relationships would have more impact in the negative as well as the positive in this pack or have I got that wrong? Also I like that the plants grow faster - can't wait to get my bees in a new tiny house garden too haha
100% agree with your review! Its the one I can relate to the most. I’m really not fussed about the Murphy bed and I’m glad you called it out. Love your videos
that caroline flack joke did not age well
definitely not🥴
I was really expecting bunk beds, they're more practical for a tiny home vs. a murphy bed, or cubbies where you can place mattresses and ladders.
This honestly kinda feels like My First Pet 2.0, the beds could've easily been a part of university.
Honestly, this pack had SO much potential and they kinda just... half-assed it. I would have loved more appliances or furniture with double functions. You mentioned briefly a toilet inside a shower, and things like that would've been PERFECT. Bookshelves that fit under stairs, toilets with built-in sinks, tables that collapse away, coffee tables with bookshelves. I've seen all that in tiny homes (I watch a lot of the tours and have done a lot of research on them cause my mom wants one one day) I feel like the developers pick an item Simmers want, make six of them, chose a style, remake some general objects in that style, and BOOM stuff pack.
There are so many missed opportunities with this pack! No ladders, no bunk beds, no smaller appliances, no new traits, no new aspirations, no toilet/sink combos, ect. Could've made for a great GP if they decided to go the extra mile with it.
One thing I miss in the Sims 4 is how the previous Sims had the ability to have multiple households on one block, defined by special doors and letterboxes to create this.
In Australia, we are seeing more and more conjoined houses being built as people downgrade block size.
I'm craving for Sims 4 to release this again, and create a neighbourhood with a section of very small blocks and cul-desacs (sp).
"hipster living stuff" is exactly the brand of this pack. I was thinking they should have added a hipster trait to CAS as part of the pack
"I sat there for ages trying to get this sim to die"
*Meanwhile my sim dies after the first try to get the murphy bed down*
8:59
Plumbella: I don't know
TH-cam caps: AdDorNnoO
I think that the Micro House perk in regards to relationships should have been that relationships are both positively AND negatively impacted a lot quicker. Sims could just as likely get frustrated with each other as they were to get closer.
I’ve given up on hoping for ladders, but a loft style bed that you could put a couch, desk or dining table etc underneath would have been perfect for space saving. 🤷♂️
they should make an “everything you asked for” pack.
I agree with the ladder. A lot of tiny homes have lofts. Also the only time I’ve seen a Murphy bed in the US is on a cruise ship.
Rip Caroline 💔
All my sims live in mansions so I don’t think this pack will benefit me at all.
Meanwhile, at EA HQ: “Hey guys, got a great idea for another pack... Mansion Living.”
They said they wanted to try something new with this pack which is fine but if they wanted to do it, they should have gone all the way with it. Like Jesse said they should have added traits, aspirations, and they should have added like a toilet sink combo (kind of like they have in prisons lol) idk I just dont see the point of this pack but that's just my opinion
"The hairs are really really nice"
> Shuffles through hairs that look like they're made out of playdoh
Yeah, I'm really not a fan of the female hairs in this pack. :\ I actually love MM/clay hair, but the styles in this one are really meh, for me. I want more LONG hair!
MissLaur3n there’s not much short hair tho to be fair
The devs needed to take a walk through IKEA when creating the objects.
What we needed:
Bunk beds, ladders, a trait, more counters, furniture combos (bed/desk, sink/loo, etc.).
What we got:
mUrPHy BeDs
I downloaded a fan made pac (I think it's called minimalistic living but idk could be wrong) and with it came a kitchen bench (English is not my first language) that was also a table. I use it all the time and it would have really fit in with this pack!
there are soo many things that i wish they would have added like bunk beds, an open concept shower could have also helped a lot! like a shower head for the wall and a drain on the floor! I also find that although tiny living and off grid don't go together, i'd like them to because I came across so many challenges when trying to build a tiny off grid home! they need all the wall sconces that are candles to be off grid so that people living in tiny houses can use those to save electricity! I also wish the deck wasn't considered a part of my tiny home!
"only see on tv, like a nuclear family" ohh man ouch xD
I actually agree with your points. I thought this come with items that took up less room on the grid and was surprised they never.
0:00 I can hear you roast EA for 13:18 minutes straight
They did say that the relationship benefits can go either way -- negative or positive. So there's that. And murphy beds are a thing here. Or they were in the 80s at least.
Girl... what acne?. You're literally cute as heck.
The camera and makeup hide it well but Jesus hormonal acne be hittin different this month 😞
@@Plumbella girl don't be feeling down on yourself you're gorgeous as heck. Let me know if you're ever down south would love to paint you and make you feel confident ❤
They have Murphy beds in the USA... my friends have a couple and it has a desk on it when the bed is up and when the bed goes down the stuff on the desk can stay
I would have loved double relationship gain AND loss in a micro home
The point of a murphy bed is to have all of the extra space while the bed is up. We actually have 2 of them in my actual home that double as shelving units, and we pull the beds out for guests. So they're nice because you can literally have full-on beds almost anywhere without constantly taking up that space.
‘my acne is back’ zooms into clear, amazing skin 😳😳
Behind the concealer it’s a different story im a catfish
Plumbella me too luv :(
the items for this pack give me big 70's vibes. I'd love to see a 70's style tiny home build!