The HIGH EVOLUTIONARY Created MUTANTS to Stop the Celestials?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2023
- The High Evolutionary was right? The villain of Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 is easily the most evil baddie in the MCU...but WHY is he so hellbent on destruction and perfection? We think that he sees himself as a counter t the other great genocidal force in the universe--the Celestials. And to fight them, he created mutants in the MCU
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I have been doing some deep thinking about the High Evolutionary, and I’ve had some realizations that make me view this villain in a whole new light. He still has a place in the MCU’s multiverse saga that involves mutants, celestials, and the multiverse saga. He might even be key in defeating Kang the Conqueror.
I also think that, despite being a genocidal megalomaniac with a god complex-he might have had the universe’s best interest at heart.
Doug: So was he right?
Ehhhh…no matter what it says in the thumbnail, this guy is pure evil. Probably the most evil villain we’ve ever seen in the MCU. On top of experimenting on animals and murdering Lyla, he kept children in cages and by his own admission, has committed genocide a number of times. So he was not right about all those things.
But I think that there’s more to the High Evolutionary than we thought. You have to look a little deeper and ask yourself why he’s doing the things. The movie made me wonder-why is he doing those things? What happened in his past that made him so obsessed with perfection. Ws star lord right when he says [mom didn't love him enough]. Or was he the victim of a great celestial tragedy?
I think we got a big hint about why he’s so obsessed with Earth-and if we’re right, this explains why he was left alive at the end of the movie-because, like rocket, he is part of a larger story that is being told.
Yo see, the high evolution is tied to two major components of the MCU going forward: mutants and the celestials.
Doug: But he’s dead.
Dude, 100%--the High Evolutionary survived his ship exploding. They make a point to spare him, and you don't waste a performance like Chuckwudi Iwuji on an offscreen death. So he is going to appear again. The question we should be asking ourselves is WHY the High Evolutionary was so hellbent on creating the perfect, peaceful race-for starters, why Earth?
The High Evolutionary not only visited Earth-but he liked it so much that he used it as a template to create a perfect society. Does that seem…weird to anyone else? Listen to what he says [your bigotry, ec]. He’s describing Earth like it’s kind of a shithole, isn’t he?
Now in the comics, he created a counter Earth for an obvious reason: he is from Earth-he’s a scientist named Herbert Wyndham.
Doug: Herbert?
Herbert.
Doug: I just can't imagine this guy being a herbert.
Probably why they changed his name. And, he was actually born in the 1800s-in the 1920s he did early genetics work with a scientist named Nathaniel Essex-the mutant Mr. Sinister in the comics. The High Evolutionary becomes obsessed with creating a perfectly evolved society on Earth-his home world. This is why he created a counter Earth, which sat on the exact opposite side of the sun.
Counter Earth was like a control experiment. The High Evolutionary was trying to create a utopia with a perfectly evolved race-so he could then replicate the experiment on his home planet. But in the movies, why replicate Earth? Why visit Earth to begin with?
First of all, I think it’s possible that he was on Earth a very long time ago. I think this guy is thousands of years old. He says that he’s destroyed his civilizations many times in the past. He learned how to master gravity, so I’m sure he figured out how to perform a few organ transplants and moisturize. After all, he would have to live for a long time to see his grand vision through to the end.
So this dude could have been on Earth for centuries. Meaning that his history with the marvel cinematic universe could go back even further than Thor. If that's the case, maybe he came to Earth when we were still living in caves. And maybe he started tinkering with humanity’s gees back then. He could even be responsible for the creation of mutants in the MCU-but more in that in a bit. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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What do you think of our theory?
I think you put more thought into this then the entirety of Marvels writing staff.
Before you falsely accuse God of Reality and God of humanity, know why he sent a flood but also know why he didn’t destroy ALL of humanity… There’s a reason why humans are still on this planet that’s doing cute break downs of a fiction movie… stick with the fiction and leave the disrespect of Christians and Jews out of this.
Thanks 🙏🏾 and i enjoy the videos I’m a subscriber along with other Christian’s and Jews… be more mindful next time.
@@JTJR go outside and touch grass brother. God Jesus and the holy Gimmick is just another comic and church is just its fan club. Its just a cult that blew out of proportions. Get over it
im on the spectrum, supervillains with some of their views seem to be similar to that of someone like me. at least that is how i relate, particularly to Thanos and Heath Ledger Joker. bothers me a lot less than how i relate to the Patrick Batemans
@@JTJR i like putting the bible, and many other religions textbooks under fiction in my library. They are storys of good or bad moral, nothing else but stories
The high evolutionary was the MCUs first “irredeemable” villain. They’ve had a long run of the “tortured soul” or “person with the wrong plan for the right reasons” villains so it was nice to see someone actually be evil lol
What? Not even close. Stane, the very first villain, desired to empower and enrich himself, having no regard for the potential collateral damage. He attempted to murder Tony Stark, and he even enjoyed doing it. The only redeemable villains include Bucky, Kilmonger, Zemo, and The Mandarin (the real one).
Edit: Also Loki, Ghost, Nebula, and arguably, Namor and M.O.D.O.K.
@@stormichow5325 he was not an evil villain throughout the whole movie. The first two acts are completely him as Tony’s friend and mentor. He didn’t “crack” till the end, even if the actions of the movie were his doing. High evolutionary is complete evil from the start.
@@stormichow5325 99% of MCU “villain” isn’t really a villain. They are antagonists.
He's not even evil. He's just so egotistical that he thinks he's the smartest entity in the universe. He shows repeatedly he can't handle making a truly intelligent creature because they could be smarter than him.
@@kylecarter1599 that’s evil lmao
I think the high evolutionary is like The Collector and The Grandmaster. An elder of the universe that is ageless, but relies on a purpose to keep from killing themselves. The collector must collect, the grandmaster must watch games. The high evolutionary must create the perfect civilisation. It's an obsession with infinite time to grow into madness.
Could you imagine all three on screen in one movie!!! Goldblum and del Toro chewing scenery while Chukwudi Iwuji tries to keep them in check. Popping my popcorn now…..🥳
Also He who Remains
They're just MCU adaptations of liches!
I gotta say... that's good
I just posted the same thing. The High Evolutionary immediately reminded me of The Collector and The Grandmaster.
They’ll definitely use him again and he might become a bigger part of the MCU than originally planned. He was great in Guardians. The actor knocked it out the park.
Yeah, especially with their trouble with Johnathan Majors. Wouldn’t be shocked if they turned him into the big bad instead of kang
If he created the mutants that would be pretty cool to see or if not we will also figure out where they came from 😁
I would love Mr Sinister and High Evolutionary working together as the villian for X-men. Sinister is the biggest villian X-men films haven't used yet, and the First Class films were teasing his arrival but he never came.
Unpopular opinion maybe: he’s the best on screen villain in the mcu in-terms of us actually hating him and not seeing any good or reasonings in his actions. He felt truly evil compared to past villains especially compared to a Thanos and Kang (so far atleast, since Kang has room to be given a much better script)
The one from ironman 1, Loki in avengers, red skull, Agatha, and green goblin did that too. I get it though, if you’re not a good writer hateable villains just make your movie feel cartoony
Ego wasn't that long ago. Ego literally was just trying to make himself stronger. The High Evolutionary was just trying to make a Utopia
@@Zalwalloo but he had views on perfection that were completely unfair to living beings. Ego was very selfish yes, but High Evolutionary was as well. He hated that rocket fixed a problem better than he could, even tho rocket was not a perfect creation.
strong disagree. he is definitely three dimensional. and more than half the MCU is 1-note completely evil villains lol.
I think the most plausible theory is the high evolutionary's involvement with Adam Warlock. He will be critical to bring out maximum power of Warlock who will probably be the biggest character in MCU. There is also the matter of the dark dimension which had direct mention in Guardians 2 and yet hasn't been explored. That will again connect with Fantastic 4 and the new Guardians will be central to the cosmic MCU
I enjoyed eternals for what it was. So much so that I was eager to watch it a second time when it it Disney+ and I very much look forward to how all this ties together. If Thanos and the High Evolutionary were both on quests to prevent the Celestials all along, I won't be able to rewatch anything the same way again!
I really enjoyed the eternals I like hearing different stories from the entire mcu !
I'm glad others really enjoy it. I think it's great and the fight scenes are beautiful.
One of the best
The visual when Arishem showed up and filled the sky, gave me goosebumps
I absolutely loved the eternals!!! I can't wait to see what all can come out of that...another of people talk crap about it... but I think it was a good start for them... now let's see how powerful they really are!!
If you go all the way back to Agents of Shield (quasi-cannon-not-cannon) they go deep into the backstory of the Kree using humans as a potential ultimate warrior race and the genetic manipulations they were doing like x,xxx years ago. Someone had to be in charge of the splicing, but it wasn't technically the Kree nation, it was a splitner group or something. The High Evolutionary could have been in charge of that project, then decided to do it his own way when the kree-skrull war bored him, taking the earth template with him, but starting from scratch with the population.
By doing the story this way, they could sort of bring AoS back into the greater MCU, since we've broken the multiverse wall. That would mean GhostRider, Agent Coulson, Hive and Quake - all these side-verse characters that have a developed backstory already would have footing in the bigger verse of phase whatever. There were so many plotlines that used the 'ancient kree' thread that it'd be stupid to do anything else.
I think the high evolutionary is gonna be an important character later on in movies. He's gonna drive plots forward in the MCU for sure
KANG's suit hast the same characteristics as High Evolutionar's suit, same mechanics when it comes to matter control
Still anticipating Iron Lad to show up, time travel, collect the bengals from Marvels, collect the rings from Shang Chi, and then collect High Evolutionary’s matter control suit.
I do like they didn’t kill him off. He could definitely come back. 😊
I have a feeling he might be the one behind engineered vampires because if you remember that scene where The Guardians were talking to that bat family that kinda reminds me of Blade II where the reapers were designed and not to mention Blade is coming soon so this definitely setup for that
If he is connected to the Celestials, I think that would be a good thing as it creates connection across the movies. Not sure I care enough to understand his motivations at this point, though, I do think it would help to understand him better with more backstory. I think Rocket's line about not liking things the way they are is key. Perhaps, the way things are and their imperfection plays into his relationship with the Celestials? I forget, where they looking for perfection? Or they just looking for intelligence to birth more Celestials? Anywoo, always interesting to hear what theories you come up with.
Movie was great, but there's a missed opportunity to talk about the importance of free will, and let life evolve gradually. Rocket was right, he just didn't like how things were.
The best villains have a hint of "I'm right" to their actions. The High Evolutionary wanting to create a race that is without hate and violence because hate and violence are world ending traits has hints of rightness to it.
I'll do you one better. Kang, as Rama-Tut, took the High Evolutionary under his wing during ancient Egypt. They began experimenting on the people using celestial technology (along with Kang's 31st century tech) which led to the birth of Apocalypse and the beginnings of mutants.
Not a bad theory, I saw similarities in The High E and kangs powers and tech in Quantumania
@@Spadishking I had the same thoughts after seeing GotG 3.
I love him playing a big role as a villian this sounds too good of an idea that Marvel probably won’t do it. Lol
There could be any number of causes of mutants. The largest problem with the MCU and the comics in general is that there are too many super power individuals. It is too busy. Every character created makes every other existing character less special, as well as creating problems for continuity on why so and so didn't show up, or know about what is going on.
Captain Marvel already answered that
@@Zalwalloo Answer what?
You're the first I've heard that recognizes that Peter is part celestial and still has powers. It never made sense to me that he lost his powers just because Ego was destroyed.
If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t the only reason he was able to manifest his powers was due to physically being on Ego?? Once it got destroyed he no longer had powers
@Mike Saunders Yea and that was like Peter's sacrifice to stay human by killing his dad hence killing his powers
@@mikesaunders9493 He didn't manifest his powers until Ego showed him what to do. But, he did show some power in being able to hold the infinity stone and not die. I believe he still has his powers but doesn't know how to use them and took Ego's statement for granted. Another Celestial could teach him to develop this abilities.
I’m so glad you made the “moisturize me” joke from Dr. Who, it was the first thing I thought when I saw the High Evolutionary’s pulled-back face.
He wasn’t given enough backstory in the movie to be able to tell what and why his motivations are the way they are.
That was done on purpose...
Because they know they can mine guys like this for easy content for them..
That was my only problem with the movie. They can show how he started his cause for the good but each failure changed him and turned him cruel
@@nutsfromberserk247 No he was always cruel.
@@RK-ck6pl i know that but they should have gone into the kind turned cruel path
@@nutsfromberserk247 I hate that path. It's not very realistic.
I thought Doug was gonna fire you for this😂
So did they explain why there are already Humans or Human-like aliens outside of the Sol System or is there none?
Thought that was explained in eternals
And Guardians 2 I think
Watch Eternals
@@GOldenPROdigy115 no
Darwin never said “survival of the fittest” that was Herbert Spencer who is famous as the original “social Darwinist” something Darwin himself rejected before it even got going
I'm loving all these videos! Keep it up! 💕
Man, that background of yours takes me way back to when I worked at the video store myself!
I think it’s good that they left him alive. After Kang Dynasty, we’ll need more villains to team w/ Kang in secret wars against the heroes. Obviously Kang Dynasty will be mostly Kang Variants, but we’ll need something more then just random minions to go against all the multiversal heroes in Secret Wars. Some you can bring back to life, like maybe Thanos, Ultron can definitely come back. But they can’t make everyone come back to life via the magic of time and the multiverse, so I think it’s a good idea to start leaving some of these villains in the movies alive during the build up to Secret Wars.
Nice video and perspective. You gave a lot of interesting points about the High Evolutionary, and I like your ideas on the origin of the X Gene for the mutants of the MCU. 🙂👍
10:25 Your brain must be on FIRE.. damn.. so much info in so short a time frame to dispense... wow! Love your work please keep doing what you're doing!! :)
Ha. That misstep in the use of the word “faith” made me chuckle. The definition of that word changing mid sentence has a big history.
You have done so many Theory videos about guardians 3,I don’t even remember what’s real or theory anymore.
And I love it:)
the High Evolutionary is the best villain the MCU has had. Chukwudi Iwuji gave one of the best performances the films and tv shows have ever seen.
His acting/performance was so good, he could be main villain instead of Kang.
Doug tripping at 11:48 was so funny 😂
This is the best video of this channel.
Very Well thought out...
Hey Ryan, that's actually a great theory. It's completely airing on the side of logic in relationship to everything else that's distracting in the MCU. Thanks for that, I really think it will turn out to be right. Hahahha, That "Life is good, but it could be better" meme was amazingly placed. Pedro man, lol.
This would be good intro to the short crossover toward Secret Wars.
I can see this as an upcoming launch point for the “Mutant Massacre” saga.
I was under the impression that Star-lord no longer had any celestial powers since the Guardians destroyed Ego. It's been a hot minute but I thought Kurt Russell told him that his power was derived from the planet, and without the planet he wouldn't have his power. He would be completely human.
Your comment has convinced me that I will need to rewatch that film as I'm entirely uncertain of the answer.
You are correct. That is what Ego told Peter. Peter proceeded to tell him he didn't gaf and continued on with the plan lol. Thats the reason yondu had to go down and save him. He had no jet pack and could no longer use his powers ego and him were using to escape.
@@BD-zs5zd That's what I thought. I don't see what a non-celestial Star-Lord could do. That being said, this is a comic book movie and they can always retcon that.
Starlord lost his connection to the Core when Ego died, but he didn't just stop being half celestial. He just can't tap into Ego's power anymore. Maybe Kitty Pride will reactivate them somehow?
@@fathervideo454 That's fair. The way the video made it sound was that Star-lord still had his power and that would be used later in the saga.
He’s an extraterrestrial Eternal
High evolutionary has to come back! As well, I’d love to see a revision of his suit which gets closer to the comics.
Best super villains are often somewhat right,
But it’s the way they do things
He is a villain, alright? Just not a super one.
I really hope we get the continuation of the Celestial story!
I think the High Evolutionary's ship looks similar to a celestial. Maybe a body part? Maybe just designed like that because he wants to be them
0:46 Floor and Teefs were also murdered!!!
I’m so glad I finally watched GOTG3 so I can watch screencrush videos again
Rocket spent the "Blip Years" using Earth as a headquarters for missions as he and Nebula worked with the remaining Avengers. Unbeknownst to him at the time, he was experiencing his native raccoon home planet and region (North America) for the first time since being abducted and cloned for experimentation.
In the end, Peter and Rocket are the only two (genetic origin) Terrans on the Guardians team. The Earthlings.
Rocket Raccoon's distant "home" is Earth. And when Rocket worked with Tony and Bruce to create the Infinity Gauntlet 2.0, he helped to save his home planet.
I have a theory that Adam Warlock also has Celestial genes, specifically, Peter Quill's genes. I think Ayesha was interested enough in Quills genes to get a sample from him when she met him. She witnessed the battle in Ego's core and the expansion occured on the Sovereign world, so she has all the pieces she would need to work out what Quill really is. When Quill absorbed the celestial light, he gained the powers of durability, strength, flight, functional immortality and energy manipulation, all eerily similar to the powers she was able to give to Adam, the only one adam doesnt have is matter manipulation, but maybe he just hasn't realised it yet. Remember, in the comics, he can form a cocoon around himself to heal. But you may ask whats powering these abilities if he doesnt have Ego, and I will point out that we never get an explanation of what the gem in his forehead does, and Ayesha had a mass of Ego's biomass to work with.
I love this theory!! 🙌🏾
What other villains were right?
Joker heath ledger
@Force Wars he was proven wrong in the last scene he was in. Although the fall of Harvey Dent is a feather in his cap.
Ultron and Thanos
Your mom
Ultron was a maniac 😅
All I know is I’m not ready for another death in the MCU. My heart was pounding at the end of quantumania, and my heart was pounding when rocket fought the high evolutionary. Hella anxiety, not ready for secret wars at all
Drax actually carried the high evolutionary body as they escaped the explosion
Black Skeltor was intriguing
THANKS for this!!!!
Love your ideas and insights into Marvel
Ryan always has better theories than Disney.
I wish you did a break down I. Sons of Anarchy.. that show was so good and there’s so much there I feel you can uncover and so much I feel like I did t get.. keep up the good work brotha
Ryan loves this Movie !!
I actually like your pitch that he had a hand in MCU mutants.
Missed out on making a Herbert reference from ST:ToS.
These videos are basically well researched fan fiction. None of these theories Ryan has put out have remotely come to pass. But I still enjoy them!
All I wanna know is if the high evolutionary was snapped away by Thanos.
I really wish Marvel would hire you to write or consult for the MCU.
Things I'd like to see.
Mr. Sinister working on a Raccoon in a Flashback.
Mantis and the Sword guy from Hawkeye begin Dating and going on adventures (RomCom).
Star-Lord (now on Earth) gets in a fight with U.S Agent. (Kurt's kid vs Kurt's kid.}.
Deathlok (in the future) going after Bishop.
Bradley Cooper as Someone. (besides Rocket).
take a shot every time he says "maybe"
I don’t know how you guys theorize these things, but I appreciate you for putting out your content. Can’t get enough of it.
Tinfoil hat: could HE return as a sorta ultimates line apocalypse?
“Survival of the fittest” isn’t about who is strong or weak or who is powerful. It’s about who best fits into the given environment. A huge, powerful alien race could come to earth and wipe us out, but if they can’t breathe our atmosphere then they won’t last long here. Tiny little creatures who can breathe in our atmosphere would be much more likely to give rise to generation after generation of more tiny little creatures.
Nah, this is too good for someone in Marvel Studios to actually come up with it.
You pose some interesting theories. I don't think I could come up with anything better.
Watched guardians 3 again today. Did anyone else notice how the high evolutionary and kangs rage bursts are the exact same?
You're really pushing it man
It would’ve been cool if he had a connection to the prehistoric avengers too.
Perfect I would want see this in the movie
This was such a fantastic movie! It would be a shame if they don’t have the High Evolutionary return, along with Star-Lord and the new Guardians of the Galaxy. I love this theory by the way.
if it’s one thing marvel movies and tv know how to do is making a villain have a good point and question if the hero should stop them but always making sure you still want the villain to loose
Normally I check out on theories and just listen/like and watch another SC video, because ultimately the writers are the ones telling the story and I don't want to get my hopes up. But this theory feels really good. Like really good! The idea that the H.E. would be going about it from a revenge that spans thousands of years. Man oh Man!!! This dudes hatred is tenacious at least!
It falls apart when you consider the fact that the high evolutionary really wanted rockets intelligence so that the people he created would be highly intelligent as well. This would mean even at a lower population rate. They would reach the intelligence level that the Celestials needed quicker, You're taking a population that has maybe 10 or 20%. Highly intelligent people and replacing it with an population that has 80, 90 or a 100% intelligence. That would speed up the Growth of the celestial
This theory is wild when its said out loud
I think he's one of the first children that Ego fathered. That would be a good twist on him. He could also be one of the first beings that Ego encountered.
I thought PETER QUILL lost his connection to EGO when he was killed in VOL.2
I think The High Evolutionary is an Elder like The Collector and The Grandmaster!
He is quirky, powerful, and old. I think he would fit right in with those two eccentrics.
Kang the Conquerors telekinesis suit tech resembles high-evolutionary’s tech!!
What if the high evolutionary is a variant of kangaroo who started by experimenting on himself
Not every planet with living sentient beings has a celestial eggs inside it.
Always remember HE had numerous visits to earth throughout time and enjoyed our music. No way he does that and not run experimentations.
He could have a similar goal to the theory that Thanos had done what he did to stave off the Celestials as well.
So, the High Evolutionary is basically the Kree to the Mutants, as the Kree created the Inhumans when they came to Earth, in the MCU.
Great theory, it does make sense if he made the mutants
The Celestrials tinkered with humanity to help fight the horde. Basically mutants and mutates were created to help balance creation and destruction in the Universe. Celestrials represent creation while the horde represent destruction. The Eternals protect humanity and the machine(Earth). Mutants are actually the descendants of The Deviants in the comics based on the reconns during judgement day arc.
I think he'll come back with the full mask like the comics,
That was a whole lot of 'maybe's! 😂😂😘
Could HiEv be a Kang variant and solve the Jonathan Majors problem?
Isn't Mister Sinister a mutate clone of Essex?
Keeping up with canon gets harder all the time...
Oh its been a 1000 years of sinister clone dna in all mutants for a month or so. Look up newest xmen runs.
"Thanos was right"...
"High Evolutionary is right"... I definitely sense a theme here.
Love the theory that the high evolutionary created mutants
He's right, Thanos was right! Come on man!😂😂😂
Ultron was right as well
The theme of statues needs to be figured out.
Time Keepers
Kang
Statue of Liberty with Captain America Shield
838 Dr. Strange
Wanda
The High Evolutionary
Ennead gods
Eternity, The Watcher, Infinity, etc