I've never felt that Clare Kramer gets enough love for her portrayal of Glory. She perfectly walks the intersections of sassy, scary, sexy, smart, stupid and sarcastic (total coincidence that was all "s"). Another great post, Kassidy. Cheers from NWFL.
"Does he not like twine?" I laugh at that, mostly because I had the same idea when I first saw that. Missing the sound of something crunching, implying that Giles had them get twine to get them to turn away and not see whatever torture he was doing to the minion.
In ‘Tough Love’ the fight between Willow and Tara escalates so quickly because Willow jumps to conclusions. Tara was absolutely talking about Willow’s accumulation of magical power that is what frightens her. It’s Willow that twists that around to mean her sexuality because she doesn’t like the whole “overusing magic is bad for you” argument. She’d rather be attacked for her “experimenting”. I get it from a writer’s point of view and really love that they included a conversation like this between them. But yeah, I certainly don’t think Tara deserved that bullshit. The twisting of her words, the gaslighting… ugh. Yeah. It was all Willow. But isn’t it always? 😑
Exactly! A lot of Dawn's complaining is because she is excluded or babied, and then people say Dawn is 'whiny'. She's not whiny, she's just desperately reaching out to be included.
Willow doesn't get it. That's why her and Tara's argument escalated. She didn't understand even the basics of what Tara was first trying to explain about why Buffy was acting as she was with Dawn (Tara didn't know the details, but she understood better than Willow, who already was feeling attacked after that), so Willow jumped on the misunderstanding of the talk/argument being about her sexuality so she doesn't have to once again hear from someone worrying about her using too much magic. That's an argument with Willow going back to Giles saying she needs to be careful in _Faith, Hope, and Trick._ She doesn't want to hear it so she twists what Tara said to mean something else and then plays the victim to her own misunderstanding. No matter how many times I watch, I always try to look around the crowd as Willow is trying to get to Tara as Glory brain-sucks her. It's a great POV shot. Made even better with the intercutting back to showing Willow. Whose bright idea was it to put Dawn and brain-sucked Tara in the same room. If there was an emoji that slapped it's forhead in a _that was dumb_ way, I'd use it. I'll just settle for 🙄
It's so sad that Tara sacrificed herself to keep Glory from finding out about Dawn, and then Tara ended up inadvertently being the one to reveal it anyway.
back in the day when I saw this episode on the old WB network it was absolutely heartbreaking 😢😢😢 with respect to you always for your reaction videos. ❤❤❤❤
11:52 Love the way Giles tells the girl to get the twine do they turn away as he goes all 'Ripper' on Glory's Minion who immediately becomes very co-operative. 15:56 Did they ever crucify witches? They hanged them (burning at the stake was for heretics, not usually for witches, although they sometimes burned the bodies afterwards). I suppose they may have crucified them earlier in history..
I want someone to make a video edit showing how Willow always chooses to be responsible of her significant others when they’re not able to control their actions or are otherwise incapacitated to do anything for themselves without hurting themselves or anyone else. I want a showcasing that Willow gives to them just as much as she takes from them. The two significant times of this are when: Willow watches over Oz when he is a werewolf. Literally staying up all night with the tranquilliser in case he gets out of his cage. And the one time she passes that responsibility to someone else - that’s what happens because who takes over is a careless idiot and goes straight to sleep as soon as she leaves. Willow being Tara’s caretaker when she loses her sanity. Just imagining all the things she’d have to do to keep Tara stable, safe and well,… looked after. As if she was a dementia patient in a hospital or care home. Dressing her, bathing her, feeding her, taking her to the toilet, administering her medication. As her one and only family member that could actually live with her - she’d have to prioritise her in everything she did, putting her own needs aside. College classes would have to be cancelled and we all know how important school is to Willow. TARA: “Sweetie, you wouldn’t blow off a class if your head was on fire.” But her love and sudden responsibility for and to Tara comes first. I just want people to capture the compassionate, patient, and giving side of Willow as well as the selfish, impulsive, and taking side of her. To me she is the realist human character in all of Buffy but it’s never really made very clear why because only the negative sides to her character are talked about. And granted - I am guilty of that myself since I find that side of her so interesting and compelling. But even so - I love to also see the positive sides to her character. For me a big indication of that is when she chooses to take responsibility for someone she loves and cares about. You could argue that Willow’s biggest character trait as both a flaw and an asset is that she chooses to take control of situations whether they’re there for her to be controlled or not. Whether it is her responsibility to or not. Whether she has the authority and right to or not. It’s a huge part of her character representation and development that she puts herself in control of everything that happens to those she loves both in negative and positive ways. I want that showcased. I talk a lot about consent regarding this character but often she’s in a situation where she can’t actually get it and I think that’s maybe part of why she never asks. Because she gets so used to doing things without it and so she chooses to make herself responsible for it. And when I think about that - I see her very differently.
There's only one line that you need to reference to show the compassion and the pure love she can have for a person: "I know that!" At the end of in Family, she talks to Tara with as much understanding as you could ever expect after being a "victim" (for lack of a better word) of their mistakes, and helps her figure out what *she* wants for once. Her controlling father, naturally, tries to cut in, asserting that choice isn't Willow's to make. Those three words, harsh and unrelenting, make it clear that it's _Tara's_ choice, something they never allowed her, but that Willow, perhaps for the first time in Tara's life, is. Just like Xander, she can have those moments of as close to pure selflessness as is possible that make you even more upset when she falls to the other side. It's because we know how good she can be that we find it so maddening when she actively hurts those she undeniably cares about.
@@Leafsdude oh very good point. And yes. I have brought up that moment in ‘Family’ before as the one and only time, that I can think of in written dialogue, that Willow actually understands the meaning of consent. Her own actions lead you to believe otherwise but I think that’s because it’s HER,… and not someone she views as “the bad guy”. I’ll talk about this more when we get to the relevant episodes for this reactor. But yeah, “I. Know. That.” is huge indication of Willow’s loving, compassionate and good nature. She’s a an extremely complex character and I fucking love her for it.
Actually we do have an indication that the kiss was a kiss of gratitude because she did say the robot was disgusting because it wasn't real, and she followed that up by saying what Spike did for her and Dawn was real, and she would never forget it. So yea, at this point that was all that was to it. And wait are you saying there may be a connection between Ben and Glory?
The best set of consecutive episodes in ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ are, without a doubt, for me: ‘Tough Love’ ‘Spiral’ ‘The Weight Of The World’ ‘The Gift’ Why? Because it feels like a 4-part finale so it has enough screen-time to do everything that needs to be done to finish off the arc. It is the most cohesive and conclusive finale of the whole show. It’s SO. GOOD.
@@Girl4Music i understand but not by far for me, two season's 2 episodes are among the best finale, season's 3 too is strong and episodes 12 to 22 are the best great following episodes among all the seasons. Two last seasons are great and 4 last season 6 episodes are great too like a movie.
I really like that look of defiance Tara gives Glory when having to choose between giving her the truth about the key and suffering. Tara was a great character while we had her.
This episode was gut renching, i rember at the time this episode air exactlly where i was in the states visiting some primos and the week before went to the movie by myself very scared that someone woud catch me to see my first lesbian movie in cinema called Lost and Delirious, i was traumatice with this movie.
This episode really attacked the gays lol and am not talking about the Glory stuff am talking about the fight willow and tera had omg my ptsd got activated
Buffy could include her 14 year old sister in decisions or Dawn could try to not be so obstinate about everything her sister asks her to do. Personally swing more towards the ladder rather than the former.
as an adult who isn't just on a power trip but who actually cares about the minor's safety -- and that's buffy, right? -- it's far more productive to tailor your own actions based on what might actually have the desired result. children aren't just avatars for their parents; they're independent people and they're going to make their own decisions. you can't make those decisions for them. in the particular case of dawn, it would definitely be more productive to include her more, to do a better job of distinguishing what she really shouldn't be exposed to from what she can probably handle just fine.
@@sirmoonslosthismind People can make their own decisions when they have their own responsibilities. When Dawn handles the bills, pays taxes, and is treated as an adult by the law, she can do what she wants. Until then, she's a child and needs to stay in a child's place.
Hi EvilQk when tara and willow are fighting for the first time about lesbian stuff, I know how you feel about what they feel since your a lesbian yourself. Tara fears that willow will return as a straight girl and leave tara behind because it's a just a thrill and experiment.
Posting my BUFFY REWATCH recap for ‘Tough Love’. May contain spoilers. In 'Tough Love', Willow and Tara have a fight about several things, but mainly and eventually the point of Tara being frightened by how powerful Willow is becoming as a Wiccan and what that means for her "fitting into her life" going forward as she accumulates more and more power. Willow immediately interprets that as her not trusting her when it comes to her sexuality. That she'll suddenly "switch" to straight again. Remember - bisexuality wasn't something very well understood back then, so the choice to avoid mentioning it in TV was less controversial. It was either you were straight or you were gay. Pick one. This argument between Willow and Tara shows you how conscious and careful the writers were in how they wrote this relationship, and specifically, how Willow perceives it compared to Tara or the other characters. Willow absolutely perceives herself as a GAY WOMAN. She's not confused or conflicted. Could they have written the transitioning for Willow from straight-to gay better? Of course they could. They could have written a coming-out story for her and not just a coming-out confession to Buffy. But see, the thing is, they knew that they were walking a fine line between writing Willow's experiences accurately and explicitly... And writing the relationship in such a way where the audience watching might perceive it as not being a serious and committed relationship. Might perceive it as just being college experimentation. And so they have the character themselves express how insulted they feel by that perception. And even with their own girlfriend. Willow is basically stating "you can't decide for me" and that's absolutely in line with their whole character arc. The “this is my decision”. This decision being that they have identified themselves as “gay”. A person being able to identify themselves is incredibly important, and showcasing that in TV, especially in the 90′s/early 2000′s, is incredibly validating for anyone who relates to this character for their self-identification. Yes, Willow is just a fictional character and obviously so are the other characters. I get that. But I also get that art/entertainment is a reflection of real life. So that means Willow, and the other characters, are a reflection of real people. Willow, the person, identifies themselves as “gay”, they express themselves emphatically as “gay”, and they aren't comfortable with being perceived as anything other than “gay”.
I've never felt that Clare Kramer gets enough love for her portrayal of Glory. She perfectly walks the intersections of sassy, scary, sexy, smart, stupid and sarcastic (total coincidence that was all "s"). Another great post, Kassidy. Cheers from NWFL.
"Does he not like twine?" I laugh at that, mostly because I had the same idea when I first saw that. Missing the sound of something crunching, implying that Giles had them get twine to get them to turn away and not see whatever torture he was doing to the minion.
In ‘Tough Love’ the fight between Willow and Tara escalates so quickly because Willow jumps to conclusions. Tara was absolutely talking about Willow’s accumulation of magical power that is what frightens her. It’s Willow that twists that around to mean her sexuality because she doesn’t like the whole “overusing magic is bad for you” argument. She’d rather be attacked for her “experimenting”. I get it from a writer’s point of view and really love that they included a conversation like this between them. But yeah, I certainly don’t think Tara deserved that bullshit. The twisting of her words, the gaslighting… ugh. Yeah. It was all Willow. But isn’t it always? 😑
One thing I always remember about this episode is that it shows us literally the only decent college professor Buffy ever had...
Tara sacrificing her self to not give dawn for the sacrificing being what gives dawn away, thats some good story telling
“I think the more she’s included in stuff the more she’ll do what she’s supposed to.” SPOT ON!
Exactly! A lot of Dawn's complaining is because she is excluded or babied, and then people say Dawn is 'whiny'. She's not whiny, she's just desperately reaching out to be included.
It's implied that Giles did something brutal to torture Glory's helper while the girls' backs were turned looking for the twine.
He was called "Ripper" for a reason.
Yep, you can hear a 'crack' when the girls had their backs turned.
Willow doesn't get it. That's why her and Tara's argument escalated. She didn't understand even the basics of what Tara was first trying to explain about why Buffy was acting as she was with Dawn (Tara didn't know the details, but she understood better than Willow, who already was feeling attacked after that), so Willow jumped on the misunderstanding of the talk/argument being about her sexuality so she doesn't have to once again hear from someone worrying about her using too much magic. That's an argument with Willow going back to Giles saying she needs to be careful in _Faith, Hope, and Trick._ She doesn't want to hear it so she twists what Tara said to mean something else and then plays the victim to her own misunderstanding.
No matter how many times I watch, I always try to look around the crowd as Willow is trying to get to Tara as Glory brain-sucks her. It's a great POV shot. Made even better with the intercutting back to showing Willow.
Whose bright idea was it to put Dawn and brain-sucked Tara in the same room. If there was an emoji that slapped it's forhead in a _that was dumb_ way, I'd use it. I'll just settle for 🙄
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@@reneeg9406 I knew there was one I just couldn't think of it.
@@Buffy8Fan 😘
It's so sad that Tara sacrificed herself to keep Glory from finding out about Dawn, and then Tara ended up inadvertently being the one to reveal it anyway.
back in the day when I saw this episode on the old WB network it was absolutely heartbreaking 😢😢😢 with respect to you always for your reaction videos. ❤❤❤❤
12:00 - "What, does he not like twine?" - The twine was just a distraction for Willow and Anya. Giles wanted them to look away for a moment.
11:52 Love the way Giles tells the girl to get the twine do they turn away as he goes all 'Ripper' on Glory's Minion who immediately becomes very co-operative.
15:56 Did they ever crucify witches? They hanged them (burning at the stake was for heretics, not usually for witches, although they sometimes burned the bodies afterwards). I suppose they may have crucified them earlier in history..
“Does he not like twine?” LMAO
"Does he not like twine?" 😂
I want someone to make a video edit showing how Willow always chooses to be responsible of her significant others when they’re not able to control their actions or are otherwise incapacitated to do anything for themselves without hurting themselves or anyone else. I want a showcasing that Willow gives to them just as much as she takes from them.
The two significant times of this are when:
Willow watches over Oz when he is a werewolf. Literally staying up all night with the tranquilliser in case he gets out of his cage. And the one time she passes that responsibility to someone else - that’s what happens because who takes over is a careless idiot and goes straight to sleep as soon as she leaves.
Willow being Tara’s caretaker when she loses her sanity. Just imagining all the things she’d have to do to keep Tara stable, safe and well,… looked after. As if she was a dementia patient in a hospital or care home. Dressing her, bathing her, feeding her, taking her to the toilet, administering her medication. As her one and only family member that could actually live with her - she’d have to prioritise her in everything she did, putting her own needs aside. College classes would have to be cancelled and we all know how important school is to Willow. TARA: “Sweetie, you wouldn’t blow off a class if your head was on fire.” But her love and sudden responsibility for and to Tara comes first.
I just want people to capture the compassionate, patient, and giving side of Willow as well as the selfish, impulsive, and taking side of her. To me she is the realist human character in all of Buffy but it’s never really made very clear why because only the negative sides to her character are talked about. And granted - I am guilty of that myself since I find that side of her so interesting and compelling. But even so - I love to also see the positive sides to her character. For me a big indication of that is when she chooses to take responsibility for someone she loves and cares about.
You could argue that Willow’s biggest character trait as both a flaw and an asset is that she chooses to take control of situations whether they’re there for her to be controlled or not. Whether it is her responsibility to or not. Whether she has the authority and right to or not. It’s a huge part of her character representation and development that she puts herself in control of everything that happens to those she loves both in negative and positive ways. I want that showcased. I talk a lot about consent regarding this character but often she’s in a situation where she can’t actually get it and I think that’s maybe part of why she never asks. Because she gets so used to doing things without it and so she chooses to make herself responsible for it. And when I think about that - I see her very differently.
There's only one line that you need to reference to show the compassion and the pure love she can have for a person: "I know that!"
At the end of in Family, she talks to Tara with as much understanding as you could ever expect after being a "victim" (for lack of a better word) of their mistakes, and helps her figure out what *she* wants for once. Her controlling father, naturally, tries to cut in, asserting that choice isn't Willow's to make. Those three words, harsh and unrelenting, make it clear that it's _Tara's_ choice, something they never allowed her, but that Willow, perhaps for the first time in Tara's life, is.
Just like Xander, she can have those moments of as close to pure selflessness as is possible that make you even more upset when she falls to the other side. It's because we know how good she can be that we find it so maddening when she actively hurts those she undeniably cares about.
@@Leafsdude oh very good point.
And yes. I have brought up that moment in ‘Family’ before as the one and only time, that I can think of in written dialogue, that Willow actually understands the meaning of consent. Her own actions lead you to believe otherwise but I think that’s because it’s HER,… and not someone she views as “the bad guy”.
I’ll talk about this more when we get to the relevant episodes for this reactor.
But yeah, “I. Know. That.” is huge indication of Willow’s loving, compassionate and good nature. She’s a an extremely complex character and I fucking love her for it.
Actually we do have an indication that the kiss was a kiss of gratitude because she did say the robot was disgusting because it wasn't real, and she followed that up by saying what Spike did for her and Dawn was real, and she would never forget it. So yea, at this point that was all that was to it. And wait are you saying there may be a connection between Ben and Glory?
Kassidy, if it didn’t work both ways you’d never see Ben. Think about it.
The best set of consecutive episodes in ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ are, without a doubt, for me:
‘Tough Love’
‘Spiral’
‘The Weight Of The World’
‘The Gift’
Why? Because it feels like a 4-part finale so it has enough screen-time to do everything that needs to be done to finish off the arc. It is the most cohesive and conclusive finale of the whole show. It’s SO. GOOD.
Two other seasons too
@@alooncnej4696 Nah, I would say Season 5 is the best season finale by far.
@@Girl4Music i understand but not by far for me, two season's 2 episodes are among the best finale, season's 3 too is strong and episodes 12 to 22 are the best great following episodes among all the seasons. Two last seasons are great and 4 last season 6 episodes are great too like a movie.
I really like that look of defiance Tara gives Glory when having to choose between giving her the truth about the key and suffering.
Tara was a great character while we had her.
Great reaction!
You're in the end game now. Great match to the finale
Why did I think the thumbnail was taking the piss out of Australians 💀
I just watched a reaction to"Wild at Heart"and now this...I guess I like to hurt myself.😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔
I think Willow actually did last 5 minutes against Glory.
This episode was gut renching, i rember at the time this episode air exactlly where i was in the states visiting some primos and the week before went to the movie by myself very scared that someone woud catch me to see my first lesbian movie in cinema called Lost and Delirious, i was traumatice with this movie.
_lost and delirious_ was a great film, but i imagine you could have used some reassurance that "happily ever after" was also a possible outcome.
This episode really attacked the gays lol and am not talking about the Glory stuff am talking about the fight willow and tera had omg my ptsd got activated
Buffy could include her 14 year old sister in decisions or Dawn could try to not be so obstinate about everything her sister asks her to do. Personally swing more towards the ladder rather than the former.
"ladder" HA!
as an adult who isn't just on a power trip but who actually cares about the minor's safety -- and that's buffy, right? -- it's far more productive to tailor your own actions based on what might actually have the desired result. children aren't just avatars for their parents; they're independent people and they're going to make their own decisions. you can't make those decisions for them. in the particular case of dawn, it would definitely be more productive to include her more, to do a better job of distinguishing what she really shouldn't be exposed to from what she can probably handle just fine.
@@sirmoonslosthismind People can make their own decisions when they have their own responsibilities. When Dawn handles the bills, pays taxes, and is treated as an adult by the law, she can do what she wants. Until then, she's a child and needs to stay in a child's place.
Damn, I thought this was another episode.
Hi EvilQk when tara and willow are fighting for the first time about lesbian stuff, I know how you feel about what they feel since your a lesbian yourself. Tara fears that willow will return as a straight girl and leave tara behind because it's a just a thrill and experiment.
EvilQK is a lesbian? I thought she said she had a child.
Posting my BUFFY REWATCH recap for ‘Tough Love’. May contain spoilers.
In 'Tough Love', Willow and Tara have a fight about several things, but mainly and eventually the point of Tara being frightened by how powerful Willow is becoming as a Wiccan and what that means for her "fitting into her life" going forward as she accumulates more and more power. Willow immediately interprets that as her not trusting her when it comes to her sexuality. That she'll suddenly "switch" to straight again. Remember - bisexuality wasn't something very well understood back then, so the choice to avoid mentioning it in TV was less controversial. It was either you were straight or you were gay. Pick one.
This argument between Willow and Tara shows you how conscious and careful the writers were in how they wrote this relationship, and specifically, how Willow perceives it compared to Tara or the other characters. Willow absolutely perceives herself as a GAY WOMAN. She's not confused or conflicted. Could they have written the transitioning for Willow from straight-to gay better? Of course they could. They could have written a coming-out story for her and not just a coming-out confession to Buffy. But see, the thing is, they knew that they were walking a fine line between writing Willow's experiences accurately and explicitly... And writing the relationship in such a way where the audience watching might perceive it as not being a serious and committed relationship. Might perceive it as just being college experimentation. And so they have the character themselves express how insulted they feel by that perception. And even with their own girlfriend. Willow is basically stating "you can't decide for me" and that's absolutely in line with their whole character arc. The “this is my decision”. This decision being that they have identified themselves as “gay”.
A person being able to identify themselves is incredibly important, and showcasing that in TV, especially in the 90′s/early 2000′s, is incredibly validating for anyone who relates to this character for their self-identification. Yes, Willow is just a fictional character and obviously so are the other characters. I get that. But I also get that art/entertainment is a reflection of real life. So that means Willow, and the other characters, are a reflection of real people. Willow, the person, identifies themselves as “gay”, they express themselves emphatically as “gay”, and they aren't comfortable with being perceived as anything other than “gay”.
Love everything and hate everything about this episode.
Brilliant episode. apart from the writers continuing to dumb Buffy down to make Spike relevant.
Amber Benson is such a bad actor. It's painful to watch her in this episode.
Stop saying shit she is a great actress
I agree back in the day her bad acting took me out of the show its taken multiple rewatches to warm to her.
@@theprodigal take care of your eyes please it is important.
so many upvotes? where did this amber benson hate come from? has this been a thing all along and i've just never noticed?