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Let's. Talk. About. Proxies! If your footage is chugging on your system or you're having troubles scrubbing back and forth you need to be using proxies! In this video I'm going to show you how to start using them
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Wow - not only are proxies awesome in DR but I just figured out that I can do proxies on subclips too. I often grab clips from videos that are an hour or 2 in length and I don't want to create a proxy for the entire video so I can create a subclip using an in and out point and it will create a proxy just for that subclip. AWESOME!
This is a great tip!!!
@CaseyFaris, you are amazing my friend. I have learnt so much about DR from watching your vids. Thank you. I love the idea of having the Proxies located in the same folder as the original footage.
this is great. the only thing I'd say is that you shouldn't use H.264 as an edit proxy codec. prores proxy is the correct setting for smooth playback. h.264 will always give you issues with editing no matter how small the resolution is as it's not a codec designed for editing, it's an export codec.
Is ProRes 422 Proxy the best for smooth playback?
Oh
Would that not depend on whether or not you're on a mac or PC?
@1:05 - The "Generate Proxy Media..." option shown here does not show up when you are on the cut page. This stumped me for a while.
Good tip, cheers
It is never recommended to create h264 proxies. Yes the new Macs and some other gpus are optimized for hardware decoding, but it is much better to generate either DNXLB or ProRes of a proxy flavor. This is the workflow of professionals, yes it takes up more room but it is much easier on your computer.
Glad to see this! I forget where I was told to use DNXLB, but it's nice to know it was correct advise. Thank you! 😁
At 4:26 we have only two options h264 and h265 and if our footage is 8bit then there is only one option which is h264. So are you saying that never create proxies with h264 when we only have one option to go with?
@@realgouravverma I create all my proxies of 4k video in h265 and send it to an editor, with a very cheap windows laptop, to scrub and rough cut for me. She doesn't have any issues using it. I chose h265 because it's small enough to quickly dropbox 50 hours worth of video and send. So I say try it and see what ACTUALLY works for you.
@@realgouravvermaYou can use ffmpg and do it whatever codec you want
THANK YOU. I'm learning about the video editing world like a brick to the head. I made the mistake of recording 4K @ 60 FPS and my PC is NOT happy about trying to edit it in Resolve. This will be an amazing improvement. Thanks again, and take care!
Did using proxies make a big difference in editing? My laptop isn't that powerful so just wondering how it worked out for you.
@Shanoor Presswala My PC isn't super powerful either. It made a world of difference. I was trying to edit in high definition, and it was super laggy, time consuming, and frustrating. It took me forever. Converting the files to proxies smoothed things out a lot. It will take some time to convert, but in the end, it is very much worth it. In my opinion, of course 🙂
I am struggling with the same.
@Louise Corrans Generating the proxies has helped me a lot. Also, keep in mind that there is an icon near the top-right below the "Full Screen" button on the "Cut" page that drops down and allows you to change the resolution of the playback as well. That, combined with the proxies, should help. Good luck!
My pc prefers 4K 25fps proxies to 1080 60fps proxies!
Random comment, but just wanted to drop by and say thanks for clarifying how the rendering doesn't use the proxy media by default!
I've been trying to search on Google for an hour on whether the rendering can use the original media or not. For some reason this video is the first to give me an answer. So thanks a lot!
Man!!! This just cuts down SO much time not having to go and generate proxies before editing every time!!!
I thought I knew everything about proxies but as usual you have taught me more. It would be cool to get a vid about the downsides, i.e. Fusion comps and coloring.
Casey you lovable goof! I have been all over youtube looking for info on proxies (first time using BM RAW files) and should have come straight to you. I couldn't figure out how resolve knew one folder already had proxies and was using them while the other folder (b cam footage given to me with no proxies) was not referencing proxies. The line "resolve will automatically look for proxies in the media folder" told me all I needed to know. You're the best man, much appreciated
The best explanation/walk-through of proxies I've seen. Thank you!
Thank you... BUT... can you explain whether we use Proxy files when doing colour grades or using Fusion for tracking or masking, etc?! How do we do those things when using proxies?? No-one seems to explain this, and it would be a great help as I imagine it is important to use the full / original footage when doing those things.
I would really really appreciate your expert thoughts on this please. 🙂
did you ever get this figured out?
@@KeyIntelMedia no, unfortunately. It seems like something that will affect almost everyone that uses proxies, but no-one answers this question even on the Blackmagic Davinci forums.
@@vivamoment thats the only thing when you have a big channel, you never get a reply, you could go over to darren mostyn channel, ask him on there as he really does try his best to get back to comments, and his a pro colourist hope you get this figured out
@@stehume thank you for the suggestion. I'll do that.
Ive always read/watched that u use OG when color or compositing. Proxies for editing and playback...
Thank you so much brother!!
This video saved my computer from going on the recycle bin.
I can't believe how slick proxy's are.✌️
You are the best. Found you through Kevin Stratvert's profile when you did a collaboration. Love your guy's stuff. You both rock!! Thank You!!
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THANK YOU!! Finally somewhere that explains how to use your own proxy media. My Sony A7iv generates them automatically & I couldn't find anything showing how to use your own. People just kept explaining how to generate it in the program. Only thing is that it doesn't automatically link it for me when putting it in a "Proxy" folder in the location of the original 4k files. I have to "relink proxy media" every time myself. Which isn't a big deal but it would be cool if it just automatically did it
One more thing! I have a plan to watch all your videos because tbh you are the best sensei! Truly. Thank you again, and please be safe!🙏
I tried to use Proxies and Wow haw fast the editing is with proxies, amazing!
Thanks mate, I still have yet to be able to upgrade my computer and this is super helpful.
Awesome video thank you !
I’m coming over from Final Cut Pro and loved using proxies there.
But this looks way quicker can’t wait to try it!
Dear Casey, thanks for this overview of proxy workflow in Resolve. One question though: When you select H.264 at the proxy media format in the project settings, does this proxy file become intra-frame (aka easy editable)?
This is a good question! Hope he replies.
Serendipitous man I just reimaged my machine and spaced setting up proxies and was hating life. Came along at just the right time :D
Cheers for this, editing 4K footage has been irritating on this laptop so hopefully this helps.
I feel like we may have covered this before, but would you mind explaining the difference between optimized media and proxies, and why you would use one versus the other?
Optimized media is really the original way that DR dealt with Proxies. I suspect that it will go away but there is an advantage I have discovered. When working with clips that are 60FPS and you will change that to a 24FPS before it hits the timeline (essentially slowing it down) then Optimized media works better than Proxies because you can generate Optimized Media on the clips after you have changed the frame rate. Proxies will not let you do this. Proxies however, have the advantage of being a little more easily portable and with Proxy generator you can do other tasks while they generate. Optimized Media creation basically kills resolve for a while until it’s done.
@@upwardfilmspnwweddingvideo1099 thanks a lot, that's very helpful!
Thanks for asking because I was unsure about this too!
@@upwardfilmspnwweddingvideo1099 Thanks so much for this answer. Been wondering about it forever. I will be switching to proxies now.
Thank you so much Casey!!! This is so much of an easier way to create proxies than I've ever seen. Yes!!!
This video was extremely helpful. I just upgraded my gear to 4k and my video was playing back poorly. Thank you so much!
I see you had H.264 as your proxy media codec. I heard that's not the preferred codec for editing as it gives playback problems being difficult to process, though I don't know if there have been any advancements with the codec recently that changed this issue. Normally, the suggested proxy codes are ProRes and DNxHD/HR. What do you think about this question, Casey? Is using H264 as an editing codec today safer? Why?
Good question, I'd also love to know the answer.
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From my knowledge, there is really no reason to use H.264 as a proxy media codec. H.264 and subsequently H.265 are considered delivery codecs, meaning they're intended to be viewable as videos on the largest variety of platforms. In order for that to be a realistic goal, those codecs are heavily compressed so that they can be uploaded onto sites like Instagram and TH-cam, and when they're compressed, it usually means that your PC has to put more effort into rendering the video to watch it. This wouldn't be noticeable with 1080p H.264, more-so with 4k H.264.
Proxy codecs, or editing codecs, such as ProRes and DNxHD/HR are decompressed files that have a much larger file size because they're decompressed right out of the gate, which means less stress on your hardware to decompress and edit with, but with that increase in file size as a tradeoff.
Easily the best advice on proxy media generation. Thanks Casey! (Seriously wish BMD would include the 'right click' generate proxy media option on the Cut tab though)
Definitely super frustrating not having smooth timeline scrolling...but generating proxy media is SO time consuming! (nolt not mention disk space) Kinda nice how Studio utilizes GPU cycles for it as well but ProRez files on the timeline are crazy smooth compared to H264 or H265
Thank you so very much! I have really enjoyed learning more about Davinci Resolve from you. I love Black magic and bought the full version because I want to support companies that give me the tools without subscriptions and all that. I just went from osmo action 1 camera to the new osmo action 4 and it has these .LRF files. I had no idea. So now I had to learn about proxies lol So it generates them and has them alongside the originals in the folder straight from the camera. seems strange to me. but ok. file size and memory card space. anyway. I have been told I have to rename the .LRF to .mp4 and place it in its own folder and then point davinci resolve to that folder for proxies. I notice, if I instead, generate proxies from a video davinci makes it a .MOV file. I guess either way will work? I really dont know why they include it. love your videos! thanks so much. I am learning. Someday I will figure this out enough to have fun lol
Gosh, I need a better computer ASAP 😂😂😂 Thanks man, proxies are really helping me
that is life saving and passion restoring
Awesome video as always, Casey! However, the biggest issue with the Proxy Generator App (or even generating proxies inside Davinci) is that in my case, if some of my recorded footage has a skipped frame, the generator hangs on it and eventually times out, instead of simply skipping the bad file/clip. I've resorted to just using Handbrake to create my own proxies and import them into Davinci. Thankfully, Davinci makes it super easy to link/unlink proxies.
Thanks! Could you confirm if this this still the case?
Although it's not as simples as the this method, I always prefer to generate the proxies in the media management window, because I have more control over the bitrate. Then I link the files manually.
Sometimes I find the automatically generated files to be too large.
Thank you so much for this!
Thanks so much for this, using proxies effectively is so essential for Resolve editing and it's taken me a while to get on top of it. Here is a possible very fast and space saving add-on to the process. I tend to discard between 50% and 90% of each of my source clips. If I understand proxies right, they render the entire source clip - so that is a lot of wasted rendering time and drive space. Today I tried the ffmpeg GUI LosslessCut and it is so fast (almost instantaneous) and useful. I can do rough cuts (which is my first stage in Resolve anyway) and then import to Resolve only those bits of my clips that are actually useful. Maybe I am missing something but seems such a valuable refinement even if it means using another program on the way in.
Under your top menu use File>Media Management and it will open a window where you can save a consolidated version of your media in a project - you tell it the size of the handles ( amount of frames on the front and back of your clips ) and save just the media that you used in the timeline.
But if you are discarding media you can do a quick temp timeline and render in place as well.
Thanks @@JimRobinson-colors That's very interesting. But does it recode the consolidated version, if not it sounds really great? ... A few hours later. WOW, that is fantastic, thank you so much, what a difference this is going to make!
@@DancedZikrNZI didn't quite understand the difference between the ffmpeg GUI and Jim's answer... I know I'm late, but can you explain your workflow now so that I can mimic it? 🥹
@@shaggy4667 In my experience LosslessCut does an exact lossless cut to the clip which is wonderful however it is much harder work on multiple clips. The File>Media Management also does a lossless cut and it is very efficient with the right settings however I find it is not 100% accurate and also seems to upset the timeline clips every now and again so there is often a bit of fixing up later needed. Daria Fissoun goes into the capabilities of Media Management both on this channel (th-cam.com/video/aW88pI9i1R0/w-d-xo.html) and in one of the Resolve Con livestreams although I don't think she touches on the exact approach I am describing nor the bugs.
Thank you so much! That Preference should be in the same place as the project setting, but I'm thankful that you pointed it out. I have a smallish SSD where I want the proxy to live for when I'm doing my multicam editing while the bigger files are on my spinning disks. I was really annoyed when it kept putting the proxies inside my media folders, especially in AVCHD files which you have to open in three extra steps. And OMG the proxy generator is going to be so much better for when I am ingesting my 6 cameras, it will be awesome to set up the proxies way before I start editing mode. This video is golden.
I needed this! Now that I'm working with footage from multiple GoPro 360 cameras, performance has become a significant issue
Fantastic mate!
This just made my life easier. Thank you.
This was so damn helpful. Clear and concise. Thanks Casey
1.Are proxies also better for remote desktop editing via your laptop remotely?
2.What software would you recommend for remote editing with little lag?
Thank you so much for this! I use proxies, but didn't know most of this!
when Resolve makes h264 proxies, does it make every frame a keyframe? that would be smart... I notice that unlike the Deliver page, you can't specify how often you want a keyframe, and every frame being made a keyframe would go from interframe to intraframe compression; much better for editing!
Fantastic tutorail, can't say thank you enough!
Casey is good dude making pretty cool videos about DVR.
Casey you are a star I was going to request this video as the subject was vexing me! Much clearer now thank you! 🙏
Proxies are such a huge time saver.
this breakdown video was on point 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you. Sometimes my playback/scrubbing lags, and I think it may have a lot to do with my internet connection. But, I will try the proxies and hopefully, they will help.
Cheers
That's incredible! Thank you!
I'm confused on the proxy folder suggestions. Don't understand why your first recommendation is to define a proxy folder in the project settings, but later in the video recommend setting Preferences to create a proxy subfolder where the media is located. I find that after setting the latter, Resolve uses that to create subfolders and ignores the proxy folder I designated in the project settings. Confused and would love clarification.. Thx
Good question, I learned about this today and it is already saving me time.
The preference setting he spoke about at 2:48 is how you set the default for any media you drop in for all future projects. Davinci's default was always set in the C: drive and it filled up quick. Before I learned about that I had to change the setting each time (like he does in the project settings at 2:00 ) to prefer the Z drive where I put all my files. Now when I start a project without thinking, the proxies will default in the right place. PROJECT settings can overwrite the PREFERENCE setting defaults which won't change project to project.
Thank you Casey! What I've been looking for :)
You're the man, Casey.
great video
awesome dude, thank you
Thats was most straight forwrd video on this topic!
Thanks for the video! I've just started using Davinci Resolve 18 and my poor computer is doing its best, but I optimized it for music production and not video, so it cries when it tries to process 4k video + fusion compositions
is it safe to color grade against PROXIES or do you need to do it against originals to guarantee correct colors?
I have that question too!
I think proxys usually use for editing..because u need smooth playback when editing.not for grading.
Personally, I always turn proxies off when color grading. Smooth playback is not important to me during this process but seeing the best looking image is.
You should turn proxies off before color grading, the lower resolution proxies will take color differently than the high res files. If you try to switch back to high res files after color grading the proxies, you’ll notice the color grade doesn’t look the same.
@@SydOnYT thanks!
@caseyfaris another tip I have found on page 161 of Beginners Guide Lessons - the online DaVinci Resolve tutorials - "TIP You can switch back to the Keyframes Editor and hide the video scopes when the scopes aren’t needed to free up your graphics card’s processor and improve playback performance." Hope this helps someone else as well. Cheers my friends.
This video is so useful!!! Thank you for making this content
Thanks so much for this!
Thank you so much! This has helped me immensely!
thank you!
I'm curious if you know of a way to preserve camera metadata in proxies? the proxies I'm making are "ProRes 422 Proxy" and are stripped of all metadata from my raw media.
Hello and first of all thank you for your effort and patience Casey. ☺️I don’t know where else I can write a message to you, so I will leave it here. I am a kind of beginner-intermediate in Davinci, obviously don’t know everything, but have many questions. Let me ask you one. I have watched dozens of videos on Object Removal, but none of them actually works if there are many objects and they are moving. It happens because the mask is moving along with the object, and if there is another object behind the one we are removing, the second object gets removed as well. I really wish you would make a tutorial about moving objects removal.
One more thing, you have a video about cloning, but what if the cloned objects move around each other. How to mask them? I remember I saw this kind of video only it was made in Premier, I wish we had such a video on Davinci, because no matter what, I’m gonna work with Davinci only. The best software everrrrrrrrr 😊
Thank you!
quick question, if you don't click generate proxy clip clicking on the "high res clip slowing you down", davinci won't use a proxy?
As I had my playback "prefer proxies" option selected, I thought everything was a proxy already...? Is it not?? thank you soso much. I'm new to editing.
nice vid bro
Awesome, thanks for your video!!
Super helpful video, thank you!
thank you really needed this video xD quick question I noticed when editing proxies I can't change my raw camera settings like iso, color temp etc is there a way around this? thanks in advance!
After you create proxies do you change your timeline resolution? because they aspect ratio of the proxies is smaller, so i end up with a lot of black in the canvas. Whats the best way ?
Same issue here! have you found a solution to it?
Can anyone clarify what the proxy resolution setting refers to? Half of what? Timeline resolution or original footage?
Just the video I needed ❤️
Is there a way to generate a proxy media for the whole timeline? I'm doing a voice-over and it's really hard to do with the lag.
This is great! Question: At 5:00 you mention "wherever you dump your footage." Is that the location where the original files are located, or Davinci Resolve folders?
Deleting and regenerating proxies?
Having generated proxies for a whole folder or two full of clips (in scattered locations), I find that the resolution setting was too high, and nothing much changed. I want to regenerate the proxies. Do I need to delete the old ones first (if so, how?) or will Davinci automatically over-write the old ones?
Cheers for all the great video and info, Casey!
I never really understood proxies so I took the neanderthal route and built a fast computer that could scrub 4k h.265 footage in a heartbeat.
However there is one thing that confuses me when using h.265 footage, is it better as in easier on the computer if I changed the h.265 footage to ProRes for editing and during the Render stage back with the final project back into h.265?
BTW
That joke was criminal. 😂😂
I HAVE the full version but i go up to 2k the most,is it neseccary to create this way of proxy thing which i saw you and i ve already done it?🙂and one more when i render it will create the proxy by it self always?THANKS A LOT Casey! Paul Athens Gr.👍 Fantastic explanation,keep on!
Hi Casey and all fellow Davinci users! I have a question: when making proxy media files, do I have to make the "entire clip" into a proxy file or can I trim the clip somehow and only make that portion of the clip into a proxy file?
I'm working on a project where I have tons of video clips that are really long and I only need a few seconds from each clip.
Advice would be GOLDEN!
In that case I would suggest using “Generate optimised media”.
You can probably use a separate computer to generate proxy while you working on the timeline.
Thanks so much 💚
Question: When I try to do what you show, it fails. Is this supposed to be done before I begin editing anything? Can it be done during editing? Also, are you using the paid or free version? I myself am using the free version and while it's great, I have nothing but issues with playback, so I have to waste time and space rendering and re-rendering to find out what my project actually looks like. Any help would be appreciated!
the free version is kinda limited in its use of hardware acceleration and codec handling. most probably your problems result from that.
Good video bro very helpful 👍
This helps so much!
life saver, as always
Tnx Bro, you are amazing
When color grading, does Resolve use the proxies or the camera originals?
Whatever you choose to work on. Just switch the mode. It is recommended to work on original footage when working on colors.
Great Thanks For This!
Hi Casey,
Thanks for the content, always on point. :)
I do have a question though: I've been working with Unreal Engine 5 .exr sequences in Resolve, and I don't seem to be able to create proxies with theses files. Do you have any idea why? If so, is there a workaround?
Thanks !
thanks for this. i have uninstalled all the apps on my PC because of DR slow playback...
Thank you very much
Really not sure why you and Blackmagic are using h.264 for proxies? With newer systems it handles okay. But almost every person that complains in the facebook forums of stuttering and bad playback were using h.264 - so I am not seeing why that is the Proxy choices. DnX sq or ProRes LT / proxy all are smoother in almost any Resolve system.
Hi Casey or any other person around here. What format is the "lightest" or easiest format to playback on a old Mac computer? I edit on a 2013 MacBook Air and appreciate any kind of help to make may playback of 4K footage smoother. Thx in advance ya'all.
I think proxies with shot imagery works but when incorporating background stills or footage from other sources, it gets ouf of sync. I format to proxies and suddenly the background imagery covers just part of the frame. I even tried making everything into proxies (including the backgrounds). Same problem.
I work a lot with remote editors. Usually I'll record in 709 (sometimes i like the safety of braw so ill colour my clips then send) to them. Sometimes their internet isn't great. i typically send them 2k res files to create 4x5 and 9x16 cuts from. even though it requires more computation, should I use h264 or DnxHR?
Thank you Casey! I'm currently having trouble with linking proxies with a collaborator. I generated proxies, and sent him only the proxies (he is currently working with the free version, and I have the studio version). He assembled a timeline, but when I open it, Davinci won't link to the original 4k footage. Do you have to bring in the original 4k footage into the timeline first in order for the proxies to link up, or is there another way? I know it would better if he just had the studio version, and had access to the original footage, but for now this is the problem. Any help?
can we do triple monitors instead of dual screen!!! reason asking bc I'm in need of three monitors because I use three cameras for work. When I'm editing, I prefer to have three monitors to display each camera's footage separately. This makes it much easier for me to review and select clips during timeline editing. Do you have any alternative suggestions?
Does resolve have an option for full res preview when paused?
I always though making hdnx files are smoother than compressed files for editing, or is it just preferences? Thanks for the video, man.