34years as a marine engineer and I have just learned that dry fibreglass layup is caused by ‘fair wear and tear’ - every day is a school day.🤬 I take it this video is you upping the ante ever so slightly.😉 Hope things start moving soon on invoice payments (and communication). Good luck.😀👍⛵️⛵️
It's amazing the mental gymnastics one can do rather than admit a screwup and make things right. The negative publicity costs would have easily covered replacing the yacht with a proper one when so many problems were initially discovered. Both Leopard and R&C may never recover from their arrogance, lack of quality control, extreme poor customer service and care for their customers' well being. Suppose these 3 had patched it up and sailed across the world, odds are it would be resting on the bottom and they'd hopefully been rescued at sea but maybe not. How many similar yachts are floating ... for now? Should I ever get the money for such a yacht, Leopard won't be on my list of potential brands.
That's where we're all wrong on this - Leopard doesn't make theirs profits from selling you or me our dream boat at a rate of 10-20 a year, but rather from selling hundreds of cheap shit buckets to be used for charter for 5 years and then discarded by the charter companies at 30 cents on the dollar. And it seems obvious from what we see on all too many youtube channels of Leopard/R&C victims like this one, is that L/R&C are showing just that - they don't give a shit about the private owner. I'll bet you that these videos did not result in one single less L/R&C shit-boat being ordered by The Moorings and the other charter companies. That's why the assholes at L/R&C don't care. The only way to address this is not by causing L/R&C to not make private boat sale profit, as it is a drop in their shit-bucket - it's by making them LOSE their profits by having their victims sue the shit out of them. Especially if several owners (victims) get together and sue.
@norman Best they do something nice and significant. This isn't upping much at all yet but look how much fun they are having with the Leopard 46 model leak. hmmmm karma I guess. 😉
@@juergenzenner4219 I'm Dutch, we know our way around beer as well :D Besides, even if he does drink like a fish, he's welcome to because come on, that man's done the work of many men, is honest, gets shit done, and isn't afraid to tell it like it is. Gotta respect that :D
@@gfimadcat … a German here… sure all 3 of them deserve all our support and drinks to wash all the dust down. I hope they are soon on their well deserved trip around the world. I can’t wait to see you all drinking and wash down the shit they are going through right now!!! PROST/CHEERS & PROOST🍻
I don’t know how you haven’t gone to the embassy and asked Australia to declare war. This is just criminal. I don’t know why I watch. My fury level just soars.
@travelsketch I'm saddened by your circumstances, like a lot of us watching ( I'm sure ) ,wish we could all help someway . From me , just a light little punch in the arm . Smile , stay beautiful.
So moved by your videos. In your epic battle with Leopard you are showing amazing courage and tenacity. The yaching community is obviously behind you. No manufacturer should be able to get away with this, its not just spoiling our fun its endangering our lives. I hope in times to come you are eventually rewarded with the adventure you deserve. If funds run low, maybe get someting like an old Prout, I used to have one, it was made from solid concrete like glass, 30 years old and indestructable. We've just sold up and are moving onto our boat a 2007 Lagoon 380, hope its OK. Good luck, please know we're all behind you and you are talked about in marinas all over the world.
With typical leopard intelligence and efficiency mostly always on display from my Leopard representative who is STILL egotistically trying to show off his ability to intimidate me in front of his boss with his ability to decide which of my warranties to honour and which not -foolishly thinking his actions won’t have negative consequences (for them and me)-I just discovered that Leopard has DOUBLED-PAID my recent part-claim. Perhaps I can send the overpayment to you 😂
Thank you for the comment Kevin, I will use the money, if it is enough, to buy a microphone so people stop complaining in the comments that I don't have one. We will dedicate it to your channel for supporting us and naturally thank Daniel at Leopard Catamarans at the same time for the funding. 😂
This is unbelievable. Thank you for alerting us to what appears to be not only poor-quality construction but also, from what I understand, a non-existent warranty service. At the very least, they should refund all expenses, provide generous compensation, and issue a public apology.
at this stage, keeping the boat is the most viable option, they've put in too much work to give up that hull, getting back their money and keeping the hull is a compromise which I think is a good idea
When we bought our new production cat in 2000, we were fortunate to have relatively few issues, but in dealing with even those minor issues, our eyes were opened to the marine industry’s “buyer beware” attitude and policy. While I’m no fan of our legal system nor our litigious culture, as Americans, we are accustomed to a degree of legal recourse that apparently is not readily available elsewhere and made even more difficult across international borders. Fundamentally, the world in large part has drifted away from the concept of doing right simply because it’s right. I truly feel for you.
It is difficult to see on the video but the foam core does not look like infusion core. Infusion core have holes or channels to help the resin to flow. I am no expert but it is strange that the dry spots are soo wide spred....
Just as long as the survey is not done in France as there the Boat builders get away with murder and the survey report is used as Toilet Paper. The place as soon as a major issue appears the Builder goes into Bankruptcy and the company that buys the bankrupt Company does not accept any responsibility for previous warranty/ boat issues.
@@sausage5849 Lagoon is built in France Leopard is built in South Africa by Robertson and Cain. Just a Pity R&C in Saldanha is not doing the Building as they have more Integrity and attention to detail
I don't even know how start this comment. Some of the issues, being hidden and directly connected with floatability. Do these people just don't care about customer's lifes ? I wonder if similar deffects cause life loss ... Their customer service really in under par. Their Quality procedures are - for the amount of faults and boats affected - non existant. Quite frankly I would not accept a new haul as it will have the same isssues. In your case, you guys have the boat for 3 years, mostly out of the water. You are far to kind people. I would recommend to find all the peaple that are dealing with this level of torment and make a joint law suit to get ALL your money back:full refund and all expenses including stay, travel and medical. 3 years is realy too much. It is realy a lack of respect. Nothing it seams was as advertised. All my suppor for you. wish all the best
This is not uncommon on resin vacuum infused boats. I've been saying for years , since this technique has become common place. I am a boutbuider with over 45 years experience. There is no way of knowing whether the resin has travelled through and saturated the underside of a laminate. I have worked at factories where they have used this practice. I have tried to point out to management the dangers of this method. There are literally thousands of boats out on the oceans like this. I have built yachts using vacuum bagging but we always wet bagged. That is setting the whole process up where you have a team of expert laminator who rapidly wet out all the glass before pulling on the bag. Every one of these resin infused vacuum bagged boats is suspect in my opinion.
With vacuum infusion you can see the resin wetting out the fiber under the peel ply or release film layer. Lots of boats are successfully made this way IF DONE PROPERLY.
If the boat is foam cored you cannot see if the outside skin is fully wet out. I am also a boatbuikder of 45yrs experience and a proponent of resin infusion. Done properly it gives a much better laminate than wet lam. Normally on production boats at least the first few boats are done with clear gel coat to check the laminate is fully infused. Then as long as the same procedure is used with a perfect vacuum there will not be any problems. However you have to be disciplined to make sure you have that vacuum and not say that should be close enough after an hour or 2 of trying to achieve it. Which is what I suspect has happened here.
@@geppeto791 Another alternative is to paint rather than gelcoat. That would leave the infusion on the mold side (of a foam core) visible. I understand gelcoat is a cheaper process.
We have been replying to many of you, especially the message chains but TH-cam keeps randomly deleting the replies so we have stopped until the resolve whatever their issue is.
Ahhhh thank You thank for explaining how it’s so random that we see dry matting so many areas that no resin has saturated the matting Thank you for explaining
This is a never ending horror story. We are planning to retire to a catamaran and Parlay Revival was a cautionary tale but this vessel proves that Parlay was just lucky to only have catastrophic structural failures and massive construction flaws Instead of complete criminal level malpractice
WOW . What about all the areas that appear ok and yet are almost as dry ? The build quality is dismal . I would expect the bulkheads to go next and you should preemptively repair them . In fact the factory should take the boat back, apologize and not just refund you but compensate for all your lost time sailing and all the upgrades .
I was literally looking on yachtworld at used leopards then went to TH-cam and saw this. Is there a boat length that’s not affected by deficient quality of work or are all leopards plagued with this? I love the front cockpit design but this scares me something fierce.
Not just the poor quality but the extreme poor customer service. Years fighting to get a "NEW" yacht seaworthy. Leopard had a good reputation. Had. Their customer service's motto seems to be delay, blame each other, delay, do as little as possible, delay, repeat as necessary until customers give up. I have heard different years given for when the quality went south or when customer service became nonexistant. Maybe Covid, maybe during the boom over the last few years, maybe ... If I were considering a used one, I'd find the best surveyors I could. I wouldn't consider a newer one. All boats have some problems, but, without customer service, one needs deep pockets like plan on spending 50% of value on repairs. Could be more. Or you could get lucky. Willing to chance your life and whoever's sailing with you's lives on luck?
Being a fiberglass boat builder almost my whole life(my work of trade) I must say this is unbeliveble shitty work. Never ever seen so bad job as this. Send this junk back,don't exept repair. This cat will never be a fullworty wessel. Hard words? Yes but true and right. I am just so sorry for bad experince with this brand.😢
I use West System Epoxy on all ceilings and walls joint before i start plastering and applying high gloss paint. Looking at this video tells me that the epoxy was not mixed correctly. As you may know the pumps for both the resin and hardener are already calibrated so that you do not make any mistake.
I think you mean "calibrated" not "collaborated" in your comment (probably an undetected auto-correct mistake). I am curious though, doesn't dry glass just mean not enough resin, as opposed to the resin not mixed correctly?
@@ApprenticeGM thanks for the correction. Your assessment can also be correct. It seems like the application was not applied thoroughly and evenly throughout the mesh and you have a possible air pocket. I also know that if you do not follow the correct procedure when mixing the resin, hardener and fuller, your application will look dry but remain sticky.
The resin drum can run dry, the bag can have a hole in it or a hose can leak etc. This hulls section was resin infused. What you're talking about has nothing to do with the construction of this section of the hull.
@@travelsketch Hi guys, not sure what you mean. If a section is dry, especially an outside pocket, doesn't that just mean not enough resin was applied to that area? Or do you mean, based on what MK-cc8ih wrote, that if resin not mixed correctly (eg too much hardener) the resin near the surface starts hardening before resin can penetrate to the lower glass layers? Perhaps that explains the large areas all over the boat suffering dry glass. Sure do appreciate your detailed videos showing issues and repairs, my heart goes out to you guys, hope you can get sailing soon!
@@ApprenticeGM There are multiple ways a vacuum infusion can go wrong. If the resin isn't made/mixed properly it's possible it could work poorly. More likely the infusion process itself wasn't done correctly and the resin simply didn't reach all areas.
Never a surprise that companies cut more and more corners for profit over safety and neglect to follow the warranty standards made by there owen company and also by General law standards. No wonder why people are happy to buy older boats that were sometimes over built but last still to this day!
Do you have an approximate time frame of how much longer you will be there doing all of this work ? Before you can go and live the dream the 3 of you have chosen and very much deserved
just found your channel and the absurdity exhibited by the builder and 'repair specialists' was so astounding I binged more than a few vids... including your Leopard review Letter. Sigh. ...I guess you just don't get much for a million bucks and a couple of years... fk... I don't even own a boat but that crappy little shackle for the up-haul was a great 'example'.
Your pointer is higher quality than your hulls! :) But seriously, keep up the progress! Also love the office. I think we're going to run out of budget on our guatemala refit, but i REALLY Wanted to partially convert our 3rd berth into an office with a half-murphy bed.
Trent designed everything and Tynan made most of it or finished the poor attempts at cabinetry done by a Robertson and Caine guy who roamed the docks selling his upgrades.
@@travelsketch Impi and I have been sharing ideas on how to do something similar with the port forward berth on our 440 cats. My idea right now is a murphy bed that folds from the side. Kind of like they do in sleeper train cars. The mattress works as both a bed and a cushion to keep the bed from slamming into the wall while in rough seas. I think it will work really nicely. Over here in Guatemala, there are dozens of decent carpenters at very reasonable prices. If you guys make it out and need more work done, you should head this way. It's also absolutely stunning beautiful over here.
It would be awful for something to happen at the Leopard boatyard! Stuff like this causes fires to break out at companies that have poor quality control. Look what just happened at #Lurson boat yard last week. A $300,000,000 yacht and part of the boat yard went up in flames destroying it.
That may be oligarch linked.. some people speak their language. 🤷🏻 But a glass fiber hull is basically gallons of oil 🛢️🔥 not even very fire resistant.
Nearly there . ❤ hope the other boat learn from you and a lawyer to write up all warranty work that needs to be done with timelines and penalties . They at least know what to look for based on your boat
Yeah, hopefully this is a learning experience to others who think that it is worth the risk/discount to buy a production cat. Almost everyone before us stayed silent for personal benefit so our lives were screwed up. Had we had all of the information we have now and been contacted by dozens of owners we would have known better.
Similar to buying a new car or second hand car that is full of faults and faults just seem to appear throughout the lifespan. I would accept a new boat in exchange for this boat if the offer was made to me. I am no boatie but the more you strengthen weak sections the more stress on the untouched sections. Should be uniform stress throughout and in my opinion this is achieved by a correct moulding process in the building stage. I foresee ongoing problems for a very long time. This is one of those .
Looks like they aren't making them like the Leopard 48, which was considered by Leopard to be the greatest boats they ever built! Stick with the solid track record boats!
The more and more I watch, the more I think you need to sue for willful endangerment as well as the cost of all the repairs...Was this a certified IMCI Boat?
I also have watched most of your vids. Sorry you've had such a tough trot. You mentioned the poor build quality of FP ,one of which I owned for six years, full time live aboard, with none of the issues you are dealing with. Where is your yacht broker during all these problems. Keep up the fight.
Most electric cats end up with some BS huge generator that uses more diesel to run the electric motors than a standard diesel. That is why we think this is hybrid.
@@travelsketch There are a couple different ways to do a hybrid. One is a serial hybrid where the Diesel has no connection to the prop and only acts as an electrical generator and only the electric motor moves the boat. The other way is a parallel hybrid where either the Diesel and/or the electric motor can turn the prop directly. Most sailboat hybrids are the latter. A Prius is a parallel hybrid as are almost all road car hybrids because a parallel hybrid is usually more efficient.
Yaiks.. makes me thinking that the factory didn't have good enough temperature control during the infusion... that paired with a superficial quality control.. Anyways.. unacceptable to move a product like this on to customers. It just sucks on so many levels.
I can see a legal company seeing biiiig biggg $$$ signs in launching a CLASS ACTION against the manufacturers with a hell of a lot of private owners & charter companies all joining a class action
Thank you for your time and endurance of showing the shit product . As a future catamaran buyer i will make sure that these boats are not in my search .if asked why i will show them you guys. If they say that its changed now I'll give them 50 bucks for the boats 😊😊😅
I am in the process of shopping for a boat and Leopard was on the list but after looking at some of the issue these boat are having I think I going to pass. Too bad they are beautiful. Quality control looks to be a big problem.
What hull # are you? Thats crazy manufacturing flaws that would have to have been transferred to other hulls as well. There is no way the breadth of those dry areas are limited to just yiur boat. Much like Parlet is the stronger now then any other similar hull so is yours. To paraphrase great book/movie Its Garp proof now. Its been gutted and restored. Why would you not want to keep it?
@@travelsketch have you been in contact with any of the other owners of hulls in front of or behind your build? Much like Parlet no one knew there was a problem (aside from Lagoon) till they found the problem. Then it was all about damage control.
Wow shocking video, no way you should sell this boat it has all of your upgrades. inspections, and corrections. Invoice payments were a disaster on mine as the factory was avoiding payimg the technitions for warrantee work for a procedure the factory engineers provided. They were so late to trades they were threatening me to collect for payments. My next boat I'm going to live at the factory until its complete inspecting every day. Once you sign the acceptance contract its over as things turn ugly from there.
@@roberts8783 I'm still out of pocket, their payments are delayed, they are (and have) paid some significant bills for rectification though. Swaps don't work for loads of reasons.
@@travelsketch What percentage of your hull has dry fiberglass and could you do a diagram of every location that you have found? Also, I'm sure that you missed sections. How will you be sure that you have covered all of the areas and does this diminish the value of your boat when you go to sell it? Now that you've had this experience, how many other boats have the same issues from the same manufacture? One of the things that I see happening is that we had a serge of people purchasing everything including boats which drove the market on many products way up in price. Now that things are slowing down, I'm sure that Leopard wanted to complete those orders as fast as possible so that the other orders wouldn't get canceled when the economy started to crash like it is right now. I'm sure that this had something to do with the quality of labor. They probably said just get it done and we will deal with it latter which that is now destroying there name. It also seems like all of these boat manufactures are being bought up by other companies which always has an issue on quality every time that happens. As a result of your issues as well as what I've seen on other production catamarans that have been documented on TH-cam, I will not be purchasing a fiberglass catamaran. I will be getting a Cyber 48. You should sue Leopard!
How in the world this boat aint been fixed already and rhere is still so many problems who would want a boat like this why are they keeping it with so many peoblems and the ones that u cant see and the ones that will never get fixed i would sue and have them buy the boat back from me for the price i paid and buy something else and never buy a lepord again why go through all this drama heart ace waste of time lost of life days dealing with this that u will never get back.just sue them and get another boat its been over a yr already and it seems its going to be another yr or 2 before its done.gees
What a mess of a boat. Sad for your sailing fun but that thing is dangerous for ocean crossings. Absolutely essential that future cruisers and the crusing community know how the manufacturers dodge their responsibilities and manage somehow to put together a boat that doesn't sink immediately
They have paid for part of the repairs so far and said that they will pay for all of them. They haven't paid for our time, wear and tear on the boat and damages caused by the contractors they sent. It is an incredibly complicated situation they made for themselves.
@@travelsketch Definitely sounds complicated, hopefully one day you can make a video recapping the entire story once all the dust settles. It's so complicated I'm struggling to follow along lol. I really want to like these leopard boats, to me they are the best looking production cats and seem to have a lot of nice design elements. Do you think there is hope they will get their act together?
@@jetguy1205 We hold out hope but it is taking so long we are also taking things into our own hands as if they decide not to help us we will lose another season.
Yea u put alot of work but when is it time to call it enough its all material it can be done again i would have lepord or who ever pay u what boat is worth how it sits and move on to bigger and better things that boat is waste of time and life anyway when its done u will never have the confidence of this boat to keep u safe on the ocean so get rid of it if its this bad god knows whatelse is hiding that will take yrs to discover so say bye bye that would be the best disision u guys would ever make
Thanks for the support and comment. We appreciate it, just doing our best. Psychologically we need to go enjoy a boat ASAP after all the work for years.
As a trini optom ( uk trained) i was horrofied to see all that grinding and no protective eyewear..especially as tt publkc health eyecare has no trauma emergency fkr eye incidents. And our private eye care expensive. Osha. Laws Exists for prktection Wonder what health insurances yacthies have? And obviiysky buyer beware horror makes me wonder if u need consumer laywer.....😂
@@travelsketch Wow... If it's an electric boat with no hydrogen and no room for a solar panel, maybe grandma will be the one pedalling in one of the hulls! Who knows? Or maybe an electric diesel, but as you've noticed yourself, there's no exhaust on the boat... I'm really intrigued.
What gets me is....with all of the reviews of Leopard and Lagoon, why are people even buying these things these days? Yes, they show up as the #1 and #3 most popular brands but that can be partially explained by "rental fleet buyers". Just....say.....NO!
All the time and work was for nothing this boat should be a total loss. Get over your feelings and let it go no way will you find every flaw that remains.
Wow... I can't believe that you posted that Settlement letter without consulting a lawyer first. It is obvious that no lawyer wrote that as it reads like an unlawful shake-down attempt and will be construed very badly should this go to court - especially your explicit statements about your negative videos continuing unless they agree to make your suggested "settlement" payments - payments that greatly exceed the full purchase price of the boat. Be careful. That is bordering on criminal extortion - you should never have posted that "demand letter" online or sent it to them. In fact, in the US what you are doing may well be construed as a criminal act. Remove that letter immediately from the internet and settle this dispute as I suspect that they are preparing a case against you. That is almost certainly why they haven't responded. It may well have been referred to the police in their country or yours (are you American?) so tread lightly. That letter was way over the line. Yes you are entitled to some financial compensation - no, you are not permitted to tie a veiled threat to continue to post reputation destroying videos to a demand for double or triple payments plus the right to keep the product too. This will end badly. If you get arrested for this you will greatly regret what you are doing.
Arrest a nearly broke, young woman because she uploaded an offer between the owner and the corporation to save everyone negativity around the product and experience I am entitled to review. Sorry but not providing someone with a discussion around ways to negotiate making it right and just dumping everything online is wrong. Your attitude is wrong.
@@travelsketch ... I obviously care for your situation and I am on your side. The easiest thing for me would be to ignore it and to simply watch it play out. (I practiced litigation for nearly 20 years). If you want me to send you a proper draft settlement offer then I would be happy to do so. They seem to have offered $250k. Not sure what your purchase price was and what you could sell your Catamaran for, but here is some unsolicited advice. Get them to $350k and accept the money. Then sell your current sailboat if you can get big money for it as it is relatively new and considered a desirable model. There was just a hurricane near you. Buy a damaged unit, like Parlay did, for $200k. Pocket the proceeds from the sale of your boat plus the additional $100k to $150k from the settlement proceeds. Buy a 100 acre homestead in Montana or Iowa for your long term investment (and for cool youtube content as you build out your Homestead) and fix up your newly acquired damaged Catamaran. Sounds like a perfect idea since 1) it gets you out of this, 2) it provides you guys with a solid long term land investment that will most likely appreciate greatly. You will soon be so glad that you got it, and 3) it lets you do a build out on a Catamaran and go sailing (like Parlay did). In fact, team up with them if possible. But get rid of the bad karma with this boat as it is turning you guys into the sort of people you don't want to be. In my opinion, you guys really need to start a new stage in life. Just some food for thought. Remember what Warren Buffet said about investing - it takes just as much time and energy to stay invested in a bad deal as to stay invested in a good deal - so always go with the good deal. The bad deal "fight" is never worth your time. This lesson will serve you well as you guys go through life.
Hard as it is to say, and harder for you to accept, it seems to me that you can never have full confidence ia any part of this boat, its fittings and design. The builder will probably avoid paying legal redress but for you the best you can hope for is an escape from the untrustworthy boat and maybe enough damages to try again. Your work and upgrades are a sunk cost and should not influence your decision making. The boat is dangerous and not now, or ever, seaworthy. Please do not trust your lives in it. Sorry, Sorry
y'all should have taken R&C's money and run far away. If y'all keep this boat, it's going to cause issues for years, and after this extensive TH-cam documentation, it's not going to be able to sold in the market to anyone in the future.
Maybe get a bunch of people with picket 🪧 signs to march near the entrance of the next big boat show Leopard is planning to attend and ask local media and catamaran TH-camrs to help warn the public. I would make it my life’s mission to make them just as miserable as they are making you guys. Extremely shameful what the Executives at Leopard doing to you guys.
34years as a marine engineer and I have just learned that dry fibreglass layup is caused by ‘fair wear and tear’ - every day is a school day.🤬 I take it this video is you upping the ante ever so slightly.😉 Hope things start moving soon on invoice payments (and communication). Good luck.😀👍⛵️⛵️
It's amazing the mental gymnastics one can do rather than admit a screwup and make things right. The negative publicity costs would have easily covered replacing the yacht with a proper one when so many problems were initially discovered. Both Leopard and R&C may never recover from their arrogance, lack of quality control, extreme poor customer service and care for their customers' well being. Suppose these 3 had patched it up and sailed across the world, odds are it would be resting on the bottom and they'd hopefully been rescued at sea but maybe not. How many similar yachts are floating ... for now? Should I ever get the money for such a yacht, Leopard won't be on my list of potential brands.
That's where we're all wrong on this - Leopard doesn't make theirs profits from selling you or me our dream boat at a rate of 10-20 a year, but rather from selling hundreds of cheap shit buckets to be used for charter for 5 years and then discarded by the charter companies at 30 cents on the dollar. And it seems obvious from what we see on all too many youtube channels of Leopard/R&C victims like this one, is that L/R&C are showing just that - they don't give a shit about the private owner. I'll bet you that these videos did not result in one single less L/R&C shit-boat being ordered by The Moorings and the other charter companies. That's why the assholes at L/R&C don't care.
The only way to address this is not by causing L/R&C to not make private boat sale profit, as it is a drop in their shit-bucket - it's by making them LOSE their profits by having their victims sue the shit out of them. Especially if several owners (victims) get together and sue.
Who write that “Fiberglass dry by fair wear and tear”?? Even the secretary who wrote that idea must felt ashamed during typing of so much BS!!
@@TerryKeever Thanks for the support Terry. Yeah, they aren't getting away with it this time though.
@norman Best they do something nice and significant. This isn't upping much at all yet but look how much fun they are having with the Leopard 46 model leak. hmmmm karma I guess. 😉
Nino is my hero. If he's ever in the south of France, I'll buy him all the beers he can handle :D
He read this and loves it.
@@gfimadcat take care what you wish for… Nino is Aussie and can drink like a fish 😹😹😹😹👍
@@juergenzenner4219 I'm Dutch, we know our way around beer as well :D Besides, even if he does drink like a fish, he's welcome to because come on, that man's done the work of many men, is honest, gets shit done, and isn't afraid to tell it like it is. Gotta respect that :D
@@gfimadcat … a German here… sure all 3 of them deserve all our support and drinks to wash all the dust down. I hope they are soon on their well deserved trip around the world. I can’t wait to see you all drinking and wash down the shit they are going through right now!!! PROST/CHEERS & PROOST🍻
I like your attitude
That hull should have NEVER been sold as the quality control would not pass even a basic hull inspection.
How many more are like this.....the 2023 model next to us had the same dry glass..... horrifying.
I’m glad you have a venue that can put world wide pressure on the manufacturer!
Thanks for the support :) would be nothing without the cool people helping us along.
I don’t know how you haven’t gone to the embassy and asked Australia to declare war. This is just criminal. I don’t know why I watch. My fury level just soars.
@@kodiak7 😂
Keep going , Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi,Oi,Oi. Stick it to em .
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haha cheers
@travelsketch I'm saddened by your circumstances, like a lot of us watching ( I'm sure ) ,wish we could all help someway . From me , just a light little punch in the arm . Smile , stay beautiful.
So moved by your videos. In your epic battle with Leopard you are showing amazing courage and tenacity. The yaching community is obviously behind you. No manufacturer should be able to get away with this, its not just spoiling our fun its endangering our lives. I hope in times to come you are eventually rewarded with the adventure you deserve. If funds run low, maybe get someting like an old Prout, I used to have one, it was made from solid concrete like glass, 30 years old and indestructable. We've just sold up and are moving onto our boat a 2007 Lagoon 380, hope its OK. Good luck, please know we're all behind you and you are talked about in marinas all over the world.
Thank you so much for the comment and support. Various people have tried to break us and the comments really help.
With typical leopard intelligence and efficiency mostly always on display from my Leopard representative who is STILL egotistically trying to show off his ability to intimidate me in front of his boss with his ability to decide which of my warranties to honour and which not -foolishly thinking his actions won’t have negative consequences (for them and me)-I just discovered that Leopard has DOUBLED-PAID my recent part-claim.
Perhaps I can send the overpayment to you 😂
Thank you for the comment Kevin, I will use the money, if it is enough, to buy a microphone so people stop complaining in the comments that I don't have one. We will dedicate it to your channel for supporting us and naturally thank Daniel at Leopard Catamarans at the same time for the funding. 😂
@@travelsketch 😁
I've said it before, but it needs repeating; You all are amazing! All the best!
Thanks so much for the support :)
Thank you for the support.
This is unbelievable. Thank you for alerting us to what appears to be not only poor-quality construction but also, from what I understand, a non-existent warranty service. At the very least, they should refund all expenses, provide generous compensation, and issue a public apology.
We agree. Robertson and Caine have been inexcusably publicly silent and distant on this. We think they need to support the broker FAR more.
Sue them for millions and make them buy that boat back. DO NOT KEEP IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES❗️ #SUE #LEOPARDCATAMARANS
How do we do that?
at this stage, keeping the boat is the most viable option, they've put in too much work to give up that hull, getting back their money and keeping the hull is a compromise which I think is a good idea
We agree, thank you
I hope you guys are feeling strong and feel your on the home straight! ❤
Feeling tired and just doing our best. Thanks for the support it really helps.
Looks like you guys are making steady progress at having a safe blue water cruiser. Finally.
Ya, thanks for watching
When we bought our new production cat in 2000, we were fortunate to have relatively few issues, but in dealing with even those minor issues, our eyes were opened to the marine industry’s “buyer beware” attitude and policy. While I’m no fan of our legal system nor our litigious culture, as Americans, we are accustomed to a degree of legal recourse that apparently is not readily available elsewhere and made even more difficult across international borders. Fundamentally, the world in large part has drifted away from the concept of doing right simply because it’s right. I truly feel for you.
Well said. Thanks for the support.
It is difficult to see on the video but the foam core does not look like infusion core. Infusion core have holes or channels to help the resin to flow. I am no expert but it is strange that the dry spots are soo wide spred....
The foam does have holes in it.
Love your video, I'm selling all I own and buying a Leopard, always wanted to live in a boatyard.....
Let the shipbuilder know so they change and help us more.
The joy of laminating and vacuum bagging upside down. Oh, and grinding......
Yeah. Nino is a good guy
Lots of appreciation for him.
Wild animals are an endless source of inspiration for people.
Leopard catamaran must be under New Management and hired by DEI..
It appears professional surveys will be a necessity prior to purchasing a brand new boat.
Yes, very much so.
Just as long as the survey is not done in France as there the Boat builders get away with murder and the survey report is used as Toilet Paper. The place as soon as a major issue appears the Builder goes into Bankruptcy and the company that buys the bankrupt Company does not accept any responsibility for previous warranty/ boat issues.
You'd think that after Parley's spotlight on their boat building deficiencies they would've upped their game. Not gone backwards.
That was Lagoon…
A better way to phrase it might have been; Seeing what happened to Lagoon, you would think Leopard would know better.
@@travelsketch I thought they were both build by the same crowd.
@@sausage5849 Lagoon is built in France Leopard is built in South Africa by Robertson and Cain. Just a Pity R&C in Saldanha is not doing the Building as they have more Integrity and attention to detail
I don't even know how start this comment. Some of the issues, being hidden and directly connected with floatability. Do these people just don't care about customer's lifes ? I wonder if similar deffects cause life loss ... Their customer service really in under par. Their Quality procedures are - for the amount of faults and boats affected - non existant.
Quite frankly I would not accept a new haul as it will have the same isssues. In your case, you guys have the boat for 3 years, mostly out of the water. You are far to kind people.
I would recommend to find all the peaple that are dealing with this level of torment and make a joint law suit to get ALL your money back:full refund and all expenses including stay, travel and medical. 3 years is realy too much. It is realy a lack of respect. Nothing it seams was as advertised.
All my suppor for you. wish all the best
Thank you so much for the support. Yes they could really do better at that shipyard.
Eye protection might be a good idea when working with grinder.
Grinding fiberglass with no eye protection crazy.
We keep telling him but the glasses fog so quickly he would rather grind for a bit and then wash his face with the hose.
Irdk why I'm now find you guys but I Love it ❤I'm learning so much. Thanks for sharing your experience with us 🙏🏼👍🏻
Thanks for the support
BASICALLY YOU HAVE CUSTOMIZED!
Been productive while disabled. Something nobody will pay for or reinstate.
This is not uncommon on resin vacuum infused boats. I've been saying for years , since this technique has become common place.
I am a boutbuider with over 45 years experience. There is no way of knowing whether the resin has travelled through and saturated the underside of a laminate.
I have worked at factories where they have used this practice.
I have tried to point out to management the dangers of this method.
There are literally thousands of boats out on the oceans like this.
I have built yachts using vacuum bagging but we always wet bagged.
That is setting the whole process up where you have a team of expert laminator who rapidly wet out all the glass before pulling on the bag.
Every one of these resin infused vacuum bagged boats is suspect in my opinion.
With vacuum infusion you can see the resin wetting out the fiber under the peel ply or release film layer. Lots of boats are successfully made this way IF DONE PROPERLY.
If the boat is foam cored you cannot see if the outside skin is fully wet out. I am also a boatbuikder of 45yrs experience and a proponent of resin infusion. Done properly it gives a much better laminate than wet lam. Normally on production boats at least the first few boats are done with clear gel coat to check the laminate is fully infused. Then as long as the same procedure is used with a perfect vacuum there will not be any problems. However you have to be disciplined to make sure you have that vacuum and not say that should be close enough after an hour or 2 of trying to achieve it. Which is what I suspect has happened here.
@@geppeto791 Agree. Bottom line is lack of care/quality process.
Some French boats have had similar problems. Can't remember the brand.
@@geppeto791 Another alternative is to paint rather than gelcoat. That would leave the infusion on the mold side (of a foam core) visible. I understand gelcoat is a cheaper process.
We have been replying to many of you, especially the message chains but TH-cam keeps randomly deleting the replies so we have stopped until the resolve whatever their issue is.
Ahhhh thank You thank for explaining how it’s so random that we see dry matting so many areas that no resin has saturated the matting
Thank you for explaining
Thank you for the support.
This is a never ending horror story. We are planning to retire to a catamaran and Parlay Revival was a cautionary tale but this vessel proves that Parlay was just lucky to only have catastrophic structural failures and massive construction flaws Instead of complete criminal level malpractice
Parlay is a Lagoon.
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I've been looking for a catamaran and like the Leopard, but after watching these videos, really worried about buying one now.
The design is great but I wouldn't risk it. Email Leopard and ask what they are doing about this to stop it ever happening again?
Ok lets go i've been waiting so long for this....lololol Sorry for the laughter it's not meant for you!
It is sad though isn't it. Imagine being a worker who cares and having no control over the decision making and lack of care from others.
After all that time you guys are now Trinis. Not all bad.
Out of the whole Caribbean we're so glad we chose Trinidad to haul out in!
WOW . What about all the areas that appear ok and yet are almost as dry ? The build quality is dismal . I would expect the bulkheads to go next and you should preemptively repair them .
In fact the factory should take the boat back, apologize and not just refund you but compensate for all your lost time sailing and all the upgrades .
If they cared about us they would scan the whole hull wouldn't they?
Yeah but now they are making Prius catamarans so I don't know if we want that....
Cheap labor costs only work with adult supervision and expertise. Hopefully heads are rolling.
I don't think they ever really work.
I was literally looking on yachtworld at used leopards then went to TH-cam and saw this. Is there a boat length that’s not affected by deficient quality of work or are all leopards plagued with this? I love the front cockpit design but this scares me something fierce.
Not just the poor quality but the extreme poor customer service. Years fighting to get a "NEW" yacht seaworthy. Leopard had a good reputation. Had. Their customer service's motto seems to be delay, blame each other, delay, do as little as possible, delay, repeat as necessary until customers give up. I have heard different years given for when the quality went south or when customer service became nonexistant. Maybe Covid, maybe during the boom over the last few years, maybe ... If I were considering a used one, I'd find the best surveyors I could. I wouldn't consider a newer one. All boats have some problems, but, without customer service, one needs deep pockets like plan on spending 50% of value on repairs. Could be more. Or you could get lucky. Willing to chance your life and whoever's sailing with you's lives on luck?
@@randyb620 Let future buyers beware. If you are stupid enough to buy Leopard - buy two so you can sail one one while the other is being repaired.
Call them and let them know what this has done to your purchase choice.
@@TerryKeever Thanks for the support Terry
@@normanboyes4983 Trent feels pretty stupid. That said he did nothing wrong. The universe has a way of making things even. Look what's happening now.
This just keeps getting crazier,that workmanship is abominable to say the least, absolutely shocking....
Gets more insane from here.
I want to know what magical "wear and tear" can result in the removal of all resin inside a hull but not affect the paint on the outside.
The "stop looking for problems" kind of wear and tear.
Get rid of that deathtrap!Sue them for the lost of your valuable life time. They should be put out of business ll!
They should do something serious to make this right, that is for sure.
It looks like you folk have a hurricane damaged project boat. At least there are or used to be some good tradies in Triny.
They will deny all future claims soon after they hear Beryl was nearby.
I wish they'd make a flybridge model. A real one, not some couches up there, the helm needs to be up there too.
It is unbelievable that they have not refunded all money and paid you for your years of pain.
Yeah, they are out of touch with what their poor construction costs their customer. Thanks for the comment
I hope the Sahara dust isn't smothering you. I heard it was bad. World class security system with the prettiest eyes imaginable.
Thanks for sharing.
Frequent rain here cleans the air luckily.
It has to be lighter than with resin = they made you a race boat... single use though
It was single use, just not a lot of racing xD
I think you need to engage a solicitor.
Maybe later
Being a fiberglass boat builder almost my whole life(my work of trade) I must say this is unbeliveble shitty work. Never ever seen so bad job as this. Send this junk back,don't exept repair. This cat will never be a fullworty wessel. Hard words? Yes but true and right. I am just so sorry for bad experince with this brand.😢
and get what another one from a factory we don't trust with nothing useful done to it.
I use West System Epoxy on all ceilings and walls joint before i start plastering and applying high gloss paint. Looking at this video tells me that the epoxy was not mixed correctly. As you may know the pumps for both the resin and hardener are already calibrated so that you do not make any mistake.
I think you mean "calibrated" not "collaborated" in your comment (probably an undetected auto-correct mistake).
I am curious though, doesn't dry glass just mean not enough resin, as opposed to the resin not mixed correctly?
@@ApprenticeGM thanks for the correction. Your assessment can also be correct. It seems like the application was not applied thoroughly and evenly throughout the mesh and you have a possible air pocket. I also know that if you do not follow the correct procedure when mixing the resin, hardener and fuller, your application will look dry but remain sticky.
The resin drum can run dry, the bag can have a hole in it or a hose can leak etc. This hulls section was resin infused. What you're talking about has nothing to do with the construction of this section of the hull.
@@travelsketch Hi guys, not sure what you mean. If a section is dry, especially an outside pocket, doesn't that just mean not enough resin was applied to that area? Or do you mean, based on what MK-cc8ih wrote, that if resin not mixed correctly (eg too much hardener) the resin near the surface starts hardening before resin can penetrate to the lower glass layers? Perhaps that explains the large areas all over the boat suffering dry glass. Sure do appreciate your detailed videos showing issues and repairs, my heart goes out to you guys, hope you can get sailing soon!
@@ApprenticeGM There are multiple ways a vacuum infusion can go wrong. If the resin isn't made/mixed properly it's possible it could work poorly. More likely the infusion process itself wasn't done correctly and the resin simply didn't reach all areas.
Never a surprise that companies cut more and more corners for profit over safety and neglect to follow the warranty standards made by there owen company and also by General law standards. No wonder why people are happy to buy older boats that were sometimes over built but last still to this day!
We would have bought second hand had we not been forced into lockdown for two years.
Looks like the shouldn't have had that 'kegger" party during that work day.
Do you have an approximate time frame of how much longer you will be there doing all of this work ? Before you can go and live the dream the 3 of you have chosen and very much deserved
No idea, they haven't provided one. Likely to end of hurricane season.
just found your channel and the absurdity exhibited by the builder and 'repair specialists' was so astounding I binged more than a few vids... including your Leopard review Letter. Sigh. ...I guess you just don't get much for a million bucks and a couple of years... fk... I don't even own a boat but that crappy little shackle for the up-haul was a great 'example'.
Thanks for the support. Bet they didn't think we would go full disclosure, well they have failed to predict much at all accurately actually.
Your pointer is higher quality than your hulls! :)
But seriously, keep up the progress!
Also love the office. I think we're going to run out of budget on our guatemala refit, but i REALLY Wanted to partially convert our 3rd berth into an office with a half-murphy bed.
Trent designed everything and Tynan made most of it or finished the poor attempts at cabinetry done by a Robertson and Caine guy who roamed the docks selling his upgrades.
@@travelsketch Impi and I have been sharing ideas on how to do something similar with the port forward berth on our 440 cats. My idea right now is a murphy bed that folds from the side. Kind of like they do in sleeper train cars. The mattress works as both a bed and a cushion to keep the bed from slamming into the wall while in rough seas. I think it will work really nicely. Over here in Guatemala, there are dozens of decent carpenters at very reasonable prices. If you guys make it out and need more work done, you should head this way. It's also absolutely stunning beautiful over here.
It would be awful for something to happen at the Leopard boatyard! Stuff like this causes fires to break out at companies that have poor quality control.
Look what just happened at #Lurson boat yard last week. A $300,000,000 yacht and part of the boat yard went up in flames destroying it.
That may be oligarch linked.. some people speak their language. 🤷🏻
But a glass fiber hull is basically gallons of oil 🛢️🔥 not even very fire resistant.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW wtf have they done at Leopard ????????????
Not enough marketing courses.
@@travelsketch yeah and call thet normal omfg . Stand positiv and never stand Down all love from Sweden
Would be great if you had some microphones
donate some cash and I will, we already dumped thousands on camera gear :'(
Nearly there . ❤ hope the other boat learn from you and a lawyer to write up all warranty work that needs to be done with timelines and penalties . They at least know what to look for based on your boat
Thanks for the support :)
You've probabl;y spent 10X the time finding 'fudge' than it took to build the wreck.
Yeah, hopefully this is a learning experience to others who think that it is worth the risk/discount to buy a production cat. Almost everyone before us stayed silent for personal benefit so our lives were screwed up. Had we had all of the information we have now and been contacted by dozens of owners we would have known better.
Similar to buying a new car or second hand car that is full of faults and faults just seem to appear throughout the lifespan. I would accept a new boat in exchange for this boat if the offer was made to me. I am no boatie but the more you strengthen weak sections the more stress on the untouched sections. Should be uniform stress throughout and in my opinion this is achieved by a correct moulding process in the building stage. I foresee ongoing problems for a very long time. This is one of those .
Thanks for you advise and support. :)
Apart from repairs how much money have you invested in your boat ? If I’d guess probably $70000.00 .
Better question is how much money has Leopard invested in fixing Robertson and Caines mess. Absurd amounts of money and much of it wasted.
Looks like they aren't making them like the Leopard 48, which was considered by Leopard to be the greatest boats they ever built! Stick with the solid track record boats!
Our friends 48 is solid. We just don't like the balsa core.
The more and more I watch, the more I think you need to sue for willful endangerment as well as the cost of all the repairs...Was this a certified IMCI Boat?
It's got heaps of certificates. It is 2024 thought so people seem to just get them for attendance.
Such shody work for such an expensive boat.
Sad isn't it.
I also have watched most of your vids. Sorry you've had such a tough trot. You mentioned the poor build quality of FP ,one of which I owned for six years, full time live aboard, with none of the issues you are dealing with. Where is your yacht broker during all these problems. Keep up the fight.
Thanks for the support. We have heard nothing from FP owners even close to the issues with Lagoon or Leopards.
Lagoon will be very upset, they may have just lost their title of 'Biggest Piece of Sh!t of the Year.'
Why in the world would anybody buy a boat from Leopard?!
Not the way this is going at the moment.
People pay how much for these sailing Yachts ?
Too much
@@travelsketch I'll say. Good Luck with all this !
Hell imagine the 1000s of dollars they saved on resin if all there yachts are built that way ? " We build them lighter to go faster' LOL
Ya race boat xD haha bit slower now
That electric cat has a ~ 50 hp generator for charging ha ha.
Most electric cats end up with some BS huge generator that uses more diesel to run the electric motors than a standard diesel. That is why we think this is hybrid.
@@travelsketch There are a couple different ways to do a hybrid. One is a serial hybrid where the Diesel has no connection to the prop and only acts as an electrical generator and only the electric motor moves the boat. The other way is a parallel hybrid where either the Diesel and/or the electric motor can turn the prop directly. Most sailboat hybrids are the latter.
A Prius is a parallel hybrid as are almost all road car hybrids because a parallel hybrid is usually more efficient.
WHAT WILL POP UP NEXT OR IS THIS THE FINAL BLOW?
No where near.
Yaiks.. makes me thinking that the factory didn't have good enough temperature control during the infusion... that paired with a superficial quality control.. Anyways.. unacceptable to move a product like this on to customers. It just sucks on so many levels.
Pretty sad isn't it. Then the fiasco that followed people haven't even seen yet.
I can see a legal company seeing biiiig biggg $$$ signs in launching a CLASS ACTION against the manufacturers with a hell of a lot of private owners & charter companies all joining a class action
They will likely just close the brokerage and then everyone loses. The reality is that the shipbuilder is the primary issue.
Thank you for your time and endurance of showing the shit product . As a future catamaran buyer i will make sure that these boats are not in my search .if asked why i will show them you guys. If they say that its changed now I'll give them 50 bucks for the boats 😊😊😅
Please inform the shipbuilder or Leopard so they do better by us.
I am in the process of shopping for a boat and Leopard was on the list but after looking at some of the issue these boat are having I think I going to pass. Too bad they are beautiful. Quality control looks to be a big problem.
Thank you so much for the support and comment. Let the shipbuilder know if we helped you as this has cost us a lot to do what is right.
What hull # are you? Thats crazy manufacturing flaws that would have to have been transferred to other hulls as well. There is no way the breadth of those dry areas are limited to just yiur boat. Much like Parlet is the stronger now then any other similar hull so is yours. To paraphrase great book/movie Its Garp proof now. Its been gutted and restored. Why would you not want to keep it?
Thanks for the support. Yes it is our home and we have made the best of it. Now we are fed up with all the BS and fixing it regardless.
@@travelsketch have you been in contact with any of the other owners of hulls in front of or behind your build? Much like Parlet no one knew there was a problem (aside from Lagoon) till they found the problem. Then it was all about damage control.
@@rileybri Some issues do affect other boats, watch the older videos.
Wow shocking video, no way you should sell this boat it has all of your upgrades. inspections, and corrections. Invoice payments were a disaster on mine as the factory was avoiding payimg the technitions for warrantee work for a procedure the factory engineers provided. They were so late to trades they were threatening me to collect for payments. My next boat I'm going to live at the factory until its complete inspecting every day. Once you sign the acceptance contract its over as things turn ugly from there.
Yeah or just buy a boat from a reputable manufacturer. Massive red flag if owners groups are censored.
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cheers
I dont see how they are still in business and why people buy new boats from them-
Because people before us have either got better boats or said nothing to preserve their asset value or offload their problem to someone else.
5:03 wow no epoxy at all
yep very sad to see.
@@travelsketch so are you guys out of pocket ? terrified to consider a new cat then. one would think with these issues you deserve a straight swap
@@roberts8783 I'm still out of pocket, their payments are delayed, they are (and have) paid some significant bills for rectification though. Swaps don't work for loads of reasons.
Leopard should compensate you for your lost time.
1000%
@@travelsketch What percentage of your hull has dry fiberglass and could you do a diagram of every location that you have found? Also, I'm sure that you missed sections. How will you be sure that you have covered all of the areas and does this diminish the value of your boat when you go to sell it? Now that you've had this experience, how many other boats have the same issues from the same manufacture? One of the things that I see happening is that we had a serge of people purchasing everything including boats which drove the market on many products way up in price. Now that things are slowing down, I'm sure that Leopard wanted to complete those orders as fast as possible so that the other orders wouldn't get canceled when the economy started to crash like it is right now. I'm sure that this had something to do with the quality of labor. They probably said just get it done and we will deal with it latter which that is now destroying there name. It also seems like all of these boat manufactures are being bought up by other companies which always has an issue on quality every time that happens. As a result of your issues as well as what I've seen on other production catamarans that have been documented on TH-cam, I will not be purchasing a fiberglass catamaran. I will be getting a Cyber 48. You should sue Leopard!
How in the world this boat aint been fixed already and rhere is still so many problems who would want a boat like this why are they keeping it with so many peoblems and the ones that u cant see and the ones that will never get fixed i would sue and have them buy the boat back from me for the price i paid and buy something else and never buy a lepord again why go through all this drama heart ace waste of time lost of life days dealing with this that u will never get back.just sue them and get another boat its been over a yr already and it seems its going to be another yr or 2 before its done.gees
Yeah pretty sad sitting here, why we are just fixing it ourselves at the moment and paying Nino ourselves. :( Not giving up now
What a mess of a boat. Sad for your sailing fun but that thing is dangerous for ocean crossings. Absolutely essential that future cruisers and the crusing community know how the manufacturers dodge their responsibilities and manage somehow to put together a boat that doesn't sink immediately
Thanks for the comment
I don't care how much faulty crap you have found I assure you that you have not found it all and I would not trust that boat even on the hard.
It will be heaps good one day. Nearly rebuilt lol
Did leopard pay for the repair?
They have paid for part of the repairs so far and said that they will pay for all of them. They haven't paid for our time, wear and tear on the boat and damages caused by the contractors they sent. It is an incredibly complicated situation they made for themselves.
@@travelsketch Definitely sounds complicated, hopefully one day you can make a video recapping the entire story once all the dust settles. It's so complicated I'm struggling to follow along lol. I really want to like these leopard boats, to me they are the best looking production cats and seem to have a lot of nice design elements. Do you think there is hope they will get their act together?
@@jetguy1205 We hold out hope but it is taking so long we are also taking things into our own hands as if they decide not to help us we will lose another season.
Yea u put alot of work but when is it time to call it enough its all material it can be done again i would have lepord or who ever pay u what boat is worth how it sits and move on to bigger and better things that boat is waste of time and life anyway when its done u will never have the confidence of this boat to keep u safe on the ocean so get rid of it if its this bad god knows whatelse is hiding that will take yrs to discover so say bye bye that would be the best disision u guys would ever make
Thanks for the support and comment. We appreciate it, just doing our best. Psychologically we need to go enjoy a boat ASAP after all the work for years.
As a trini optom ( uk trained) i was horrofied to see all that grinding and no protective eyewear..especially as tt publkc health eyecare has no trauma emergency fkr eye incidents. And our private eye care expensive.
Osha. Laws Exists for prktection
Wonder what health insurances yacthies have?
And obviiysky buyer beware horror makes me wonder if u need consumer laywer.....😂
Watching all of these issues being revealed makes me sick and its not my boat.
It certainly tests our sanity. Thanks for the comment.
Hydrogen powered ??
No
@@travelsketch Wow... If it's an electric boat with no hydrogen and no room for a solar panel, maybe grandma will be the one pedalling in one of the hulls!
Who knows?
Or maybe an electric diesel, but as you've noticed yourself, there's no exhaust on the boat...
I'm really intrigued.
What gets me is....with all of the reviews of Leopard and Lagoon, why are people even buying these things these days? Yes, they show up as the #1 and #3 most popular brands but that can be partially explained by "rental fleet buyers". Just....say.....NO!
People think a discount is worth it. It isn't. If your budget is that tight you shouldn't be living on a catamaran.
Again not worth it just keep going return the boat to the manufacturer what are you doing that boat is a death trap
Yeah but then what
That is not a leopard anymore. Its just the shape of one.
Probably a good thing :)
This company should not be in business as they're building boats that will endanger lives...
R&C need a serious QC overhaul, monitored by someone totally independent.
Shameful
Thanks for the comment
All the time and work was for nothing this boat should be a total loss. Get over your feelings and let it go no way will you find every flaw that remains.
Needs a full hull scan hey.
WTF!!! I'm surprised you've not gone legal!! this whole saga is beyond disgusting
We are just doing our best. Thanks for the comment :)
Wow... I can't believe that you posted that Settlement letter without consulting a lawyer first. It is obvious that no lawyer wrote that as it reads like an unlawful shake-down attempt and will be construed very badly should this go to court - especially your explicit statements about your negative videos continuing unless they agree to make your suggested "settlement" payments - payments that greatly exceed the full purchase price of the boat. Be careful. That is bordering on criminal extortion - you should never have posted that "demand letter" online or sent it to them. In fact, in the US what you are doing may well be construed as a criminal act. Remove that letter immediately from the internet and settle this dispute as I suspect that they are preparing a case against you. That is almost certainly why they haven't responded. It may well have been referred to the police in their country or yours (are you American?) so tread lightly. That letter was way over the line. Yes you are entitled to some financial compensation - no, you are not permitted to tie a veiled threat to continue to post reputation destroying videos to a demand for double or triple payments plus the right to keep the product too. This will end badly. If you get arrested for this you will greatly regret what you are doing.
Arrest a nearly broke, young woman because she uploaded an offer between the owner and the corporation to save everyone negativity around the product and experience I am entitled to review. Sorry but not providing someone with a discussion around ways to negotiate making it right and just dumping everything online is wrong. Your attitude is wrong.
@@travelsketch ... I obviously care for your situation and I am on your side. The easiest thing for me would be to ignore it and to simply watch it play out. (I practiced litigation for nearly 20 years). If you want me to send you a proper draft settlement offer then I would be happy to do so. They seem to have offered $250k. Not sure what your purchase price was and what you could sell your Catamaran for, but here is some unsolicited advice. Get them to $350k and accept the money. Then sell your current sailboat if you can get big money for it as it is relatively new and considered a desirable model. There was just a hurricane near you. Buy a damaged unit, like Parlay did, for $200k. Pocket the proceeds from the sale of your boat plus the additional $100k to $150k from the settlement proceeds. Buy a 100 acre homestead in Montana or Iowa for your long term investment (and for cool youtube content as you build out your Homestead) and fix up your newly acquired damaged Catamaran. Sounds like a perfect idea since 1) it gets you out of this, 2) it provides you guys with a solid long term land investment that will most likely appreciate greatly. You will soon be so glad that you got it, and 3) it lets you do a build out on a Catamaran and go sailing (like Parlay did). In fact, team up with them if possible. But get rid of the bad karma with this boat as it is turning you guys into the sort of people you don't want to be. In my opinion, you guys really need to start a new stage in life. Just some food for thought. Remember what Warren Buffet said about investing - it takes just as much time and energy to stay invested in a bad deal as to stay invested in a good deal - so always go with the good deal. The bad deal "fight" is never worth your time. This lesson will serve you well as you guys go through life.
Hard as it is to say, and harder for you to accept, it seems to me that you can never have full confidence ia any part of this boat, its fittings and design.
The builder will probably avoid paying legal redress but for you the best you can hope for is an escape from the untrustworthy boat and maybe enough damages to try again. Your work and upgrades are a sunk cost and should not influence your decision making.
The boat is dangerous and not now, or ever, seaworthy.
Please do not trust your lives in it.
Sorry, Sorry
y'all should have taken R&C's money and run far away. If y'all keep this boat, it's going to cause issues for years, and after this extensive TH-cam documentation, it's not going to be able to sold in the market to anyone in the future.
We have extensive rebuild documentation.
Maybe get a bunch of people with picket 🪧 signs to march near the entrance of the next big boat show Leopard is planning to attend and ask local media and catamaran TH-camrs to help warn the public. I would make it my life’s mission to make them just as miserable as they are making you guys. Extremely shameful what the Executives at Leopard doing to you guys.
Do that at every boat show where Leopard shit-buckets are presented.
Thank you so much for the support. Feel free to contact them if this cost them a yacht sale because it has made our lives pretty miserable.
Leopard Prius soon
@@turipzthatsss a blooody great idea