Which Fence Post Foam Really Works? FAST2K vs. Sika
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- You don't need Concrete to install a Fence Post! Fast 2K vs Sika composite foam test! Second Release. TH-cam Corrupted the first release. Concrete alternatives for post-installation have advanced far in the last few years in the form of foam. Fence post or building post, one foam product, in my opinion, should not be on the market. Watch and see as we put these composite foam products to the test. This is not a sponsored video and we bought all the products in this video. I am sure one manufacturer is definitely not going to sponsor us after this video. #fencepost
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Just bought 22 bags of Sika 2 hours ago but decided to look at competitors before using it. I'll now be returning 22 bags of Sika and going to search for Fast 2k. Great and honest comparison, thank you!
I am so glad we could help. I am a big believer in Fast2K.
How's it holding up?
We have not had a failure in 4 years
@@sagstar Still going strong
Thanks for doing this video. I actually had Sika in my cart at Lowe’s and decided to Google it and your video came up and saved me a trip. I put it back and got the fast 2k.
You are so welcome! We love FAST2K. We have built so many things with it!
I literally just did the same thing!
Fast 2 k is better for structures. Sika is good for non structural projects
The best test of several I've seen, but also the only test to compare two products. I'm impressed by your fairness.
I tried to be as balanced as I could be. Thank you
Was fast 2k bought out by Sika? Their site says Lowes and Ace carry it but x both said no longer have it?
Fast 2K was not bought out by anyone. I bought it at Lowe's 2 days ago
I cant thank you enough!!!! This is by far the best comparison video out there. I think... I KNOW you just saved me from making a HUGE mistake! I build fences and decks. I've been skeptical about trying these products and now I know which direction to go! Thank you again for your time and energy and let's not forget money wasted in this trial!!!
Thank you. I appreciate you saying that.
Very skewed results
As someone who is working on developing a similar product, I can say this was very helpful. Now we know which product to use a reference for "good enough".
Good luck with your project.
The Sika product tells you right on the bag, "not for structural support use". I used it for mounting a mailbox post, which is what it was designed for and it worked fine.
Sika should not be on the market. It can't even do a single post.
@@TonysTractorAdventure Your video is from two years ago, perhaps they've improved the product since then? At any rate, two weeks ago we mounted a 4x4 post, 2' down using this product and mounted a mailbox. It is extremely solid.
@@escommentss - What area of the country do you live in? I know that Sika says the product MUST be at room temperature (65-77 F) when used. Did you store your Sika bag inside?
I am preparing to use Sika to mount my mailbox post (4x4 about 20" deep and 12" diameter hole) tomorrow. I am in South Louisiana and ambient temp is 90 F.
@@TonysTractorAdventure Never had an issue I use Sika all the time without failure on fence posts. I'll stick with Sika. Thanks!
I used the sika once for a couple of gate posts and had to redo them immediately with concrete because the performance was so bad. I had written off all foam products because of that experience. Perhaps I’ll give the fast 2k a shot after watching.
The Fast2k post is still in the ground. I think I will move it with a backhoe.
Y'all try it out yet? I'm just curious I got a fence to put up soon.
The product does state that it is not meant for structural projects. So a barn or anything with much weight or engineering behind it. Think they intend it mainly for fence posts or light weight applications. But great video none the less and this is by no means a slight against anything you’re doing- appreciate the content.
Just found out about foam products. I'm installing a fence by myself and was dreading using concrete which is backbreaking. So now Thanks to this video I know what to use because my biggest concern was strength and it holding up.
All of our stuff has held up amazingly. Our pole barn went through 80 mph winds without a single failure.
Thank you for the test! That is exactly the information I needed!!!
I love the Fast2K. We use it for a lot of our projects.
Glad I found this thorough comparison. I have to replace two fence posts for my 6 foot privacy fence in an area that sometimes holds water, gets considerable wind and causes the posts to rot and break. This may solve my problem with minimal work. Thanks so much!
I have never had a post fail. Dig the hole deep enough!
Well that settles that. When I make my fence next month, I’m using fast2k
You will not regret it.
I used the fast 2k Sunday setting a 4x4 for a friends mail box. It set up fast and did its job well.
My whole farm is built with Fast2K. LOL!
Thank you for the test. I am currently replacing posts on a grape vine frame and I will be using the product you recommended.
I absolutely love Fast 2k. We have not had one single failure.
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to perform the tests and sharing critical information that concrete will rot wood post within 5 years. Fast2K foam will protect and waterproof wood post.
Very welcome!
I almost bought the sika... Really glad I found your video. Just set a post with the Fast2k 🤞. Hopefully I get the same results!
How is the Fast2k post holding up?
@@ocdtechtalk so far so good. I haven't noticed any issues with it holding me Eley hose reel and 250ft hose. It doesn't get a ton of use though
Thank you for the test i am 100% sure you saved me a lot of money, time and frustration.
You are welcome
Fast2k should make you a shareholder. Amazing video sir
I hear you. I love the stuff.
Great demo, you just saved me a ton of headache … thank you.
Glad to help!
i used SecureSet foam for my fence, works great.
After watching a bunch of videos about foam post setting, I have come to the conclusion that the Seika product engineers decided to go for the fastest cure time over all else. What that means is that the reaction goes really fast, generating lots of heat in the process. The post will be very solid in the ground after 15-20 min but then the foam cools and shrinks, leaving a void between the foam and the soil.
The question is whether this is a total fail or not. I believe that, in the long term, it will be ok. Eventually, the soil will fill in the gap from rain and/or seasonal temperature cycles and the post will become tighter in the ground. For a fence, this will be fine, but for something more structural, this is not good. One thing I would like to know is whether you could stabilize the post by filling the gap with water to jump start the process of soil filling in the gap. In sandy soil, this might happen fairly quickly. In clay soil, adding some sand and washing it in with water might give a good result.
I understand what you are saying, but if your hypothesis is true, then Sika is the only product in the market OK with loose posts. Once the wind starts wiggling the post, it will never let up.
Thanks for the explanation of why this video was showing up again. You had me confused. Thanks for the test. After watching another video by a fence builder who tested a couple of foam products against concrete, I had decided to go with tried and true concrete. Now I must do some testing of my own. However, Sika will not be used.
The vide file corrupted on TH-cam. It happens.
Wow Tony, I think that was an extremely fair comparison. Great job!
Thank you. I am going to do one with concrete in the spring.
Wow I didn’t realize a person would have (4) 10” foot mail box post next to each other. Poor mail man will need a ladder if he goes to your apartment building. With that said the instructions clearly say it is for small “NONSTRUCTURAL” applications. Do your homework. After seeing how you failed to read the instructions it is making me buy more of the sika bags than I first intended. It inspired me to do more diy projects in my backyard. Thanks for confusing everyone who watched this video. 😢🎉
You are clearly looking at their other product. What I used is certified for structural use in Canada and the U.S. Fast2K is holding up electrical lines all over the United States. I still thank you for the comment. It makes me money. Please feel free to comment more.
Thank you for publishing this video. I just bought a couple bags of Sika and after watching a couple videos I’ve decided not to use it
I am glad it helped.
I used fast 2k for my fence. I did 110bags @ 2 bags/hole. I mixed them 2 at a time x55poles. Didnt realized that was a bad call but the fence seems pretty decent.
As quick as i could pour 2 back ti back. It was minnesota fall, about 50 degrees. I felt i had time to mix and pour both bags back to back b4 the rraction started.
Excellent video! Thank you for being so thorough. Helped me make a decision.
You are welcome. Thank you for the input.
Man a great video. I’m a old man concrete is to heavy for me. I’m going to use this this summer. Thanks from. Sc.
Great video. Clear and to the point. Helped me decide between Fast 2K and Sika
Glad to help!
You saved me a headache. Almost bought sika. Thanks
Glad I could help
Thank you so much for all your efforts in making this video!! Truly appreciate you showing us an honest comparison of both products. 😊 Consumers need to know the truth! I will soon be replacing my old fence with a new one and was curious about each of these products.
Now if you would only do a test of Fast 2K vs Concrete....that I would love to see!! Thanks again 👍
Thank you. I don't see the need in doing a concrete test. I already know, concrete will rot the post off in a few years. Today's treated lumber needs to be protected. Fast2K seems to fit the bill.
@@TonysTractorAdventure I was suggesting this just for 'Strength' purposes. I will be setting metal posts. Not sure if this Fast 2K will grab on to the metal like it grabs the wood posts?
It is my belief that it is not important how strong concrete is, knowing it will cause failure in such a short time. It is just the way I think. 😉
Thanks for taking the time and money for this comparison. Can't be any more clear that the Fast2K product tops Sika in performance.
Thank you so much for this information, you saved me a lot of money and headache
About to set a Pole barn, thanks for the demonstration, definitely gonna use Fast 2k
My pole barn post are rock solid. Already went through some high wind.
Geez! Now I'm subscribing to your channel! You wouldn't have got me onboard Tony's Tractor Adventure Homestead if you wasn't so dadblame honest and proved this product in a way that made since. :) Great video
Thank you. I am sure I have Bias, but people buy things based on what I buy and show on the channel. I try my best to be fair. I appreciate your comment. Tony
you just saved me some time and money. THANKS!!!!
What an incredible comparison! Thank you! I know what I will buy!
Glad it was helpful.
Thanks for that great information!
Thank you so much! This video really helped us to decide for fast2k!! 😎👍👍
We use it all the time
Great video, god bless u brother
Thanks, you too!
I don't think you will need the tractor to pull that seeker out of the ground you could probably do that one with one hand I've never seen this before and it is good I love this keep up the good work
Thank you.
Great comparison Tony!! Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Very good comparison of the two products!
Thank you
you may want to double check the specs on the loader and verify against actual weight I'm not being a critic but most loaders are turned back so the rear of the tractor dose not come up off the ground. I think you will be surprised to find your actual capacity is much lower than the spec sheet. I currently have a massy 260 75 hp row crop with a Allied 595 SH (The H indicates the large Cylinder Capacity loader). The tractor has the weights inside and outside 200 lb a side for a total of400 lbs. To add to that both rear wheels have 85 gallons of Calcium in them for a total of 85 gal X11.5 lbs per Gal 975lbs a side so the total extra counter balance weight 2350lb plus whatever the rear of the tractor is. The capacity of my loader in its current configuration is 8800lb breakout cap of 6175 lbs. Now with all the weight on the back I get light on my back wheels at 2600lbs (a tote of feed) Some times we will get a 3000 lb tote of supplement and the back wheels will come off the ground completely. Yes my loader will lift 6150 lbs but I need a huge amount of counter balance to do this. I would say at max with the posthole auger attached you exerted max 1400 lbs (possible less) on the post. One more thing Rpm dose not create more power hydraulically it creates more volume no matter the rpm once you have reached the relief pressure level hydraulic fluid will be redirected through the relief valve. All more rpm will do is get you to relief pressure faster.
It is funny you should say that. I have a digital scale. The T474 lifts about 200 pounds more than rated at the pins. I consistently get 25xx pounds lift to full height. I get around 32xx at low levels. I need to do a video.
Great video, and really appreciate the time and effort you’ve put in to showcase both products in a fair side by side testing. Have you tried a comparison with the other Fast 2K products? I was looking into their website and found a product made for utility poles called q-set 250 utility pole backfill… curious how the various Fast 2K products would compare…
q-set 250 is made by Fast2K(H.B. Fuller) but marketed by another company to only be used with satellite dishes posts installation. I am not sure if Q-Set 250 is as strong as Fast2K. Fast2K has building certifications. My understanding is, there is nothing currently on the market that truly compares to Fast2K.
@@TonysTractorAdventure
Wow- what a breakdown thank you!
As fair as I could be.
Great video. Thanks for sharing and doing so at your personal expense.
Thank you, Brett.
Great video. Thanks for showing the difference between the two. Looks like FAST2K for me!
Thanks for watching!
Turn around and use your 3 point hitch arm should pull it out I done this many of times to pull fence post and small trees up to 10 inches out of the ground.
I was just showing the difference between products.
@@TonysTractorAdventure kudos for the patience you have responding to the comments;) great video man
Wow very interesting, I have been thinking of trying something like this for our fence project and definitely will go with fast 2k, but it still seems expensive compared to concrete, I guess you gotta weigh cost vs time, great video Tony.
With the amount of work it saved my back, the cost never came close to changing my mind. I am putting down the last post on my Pole Barn lean-to today. Tanja, me, and a tractor are setting post in minutes. I look forward to seeing you at the show.
I'm interested in this product because I got chain link I need to put up in the woods that has to be carried by hand. Not accessible by anything but on foot.... really not looking forward to toting bag of concrete that far. More importantly it has to be something that can do well in wet conditions. One of the posts will be covered in water for long periods.
The tractor pull test did it for me - thanks! FAST2K all the way!
It is hard to beat Fast2k. We have use it on almost all of our buildings. Everything made it through 80mph winds.
"don't do that it hurts" lol. Thanks for a great video!
You are welcome.
Wow... that tells it all! I was not expecting Sika to fail so bad. As you said in the beginning, you might expect a Pepsi/Coke comparison, where one product has a slight advantage versus the other, and vice-versa. This is no match and even defeats its own purpose!!! I wonder if there are any engineers from Sika using their own product, standing proud of their leaning fence... Lol! Thanks Tony!
I don't think Sika should be on the market. I had this video out a month ago, but the file was corrupted on TH-cam. I had to reload the video.
Thank you very much for this video. I was debating on which one to go with and this made my decision for me!! Fast 2k for the win!!
Glad I could help!
Great vid. 💯 Very helpful. Thx. 😎
Glad it was helpful!
Hère is the thing: cement has proven to be an excellent means of solidifying posts for probably 100 years. I helped a neighbor install Fast 2k And I was impressed. However, how will it stand the test of time and what advantage is there over cement, which I know will work? If it ain’t broke ….
I understand where you are coming from, but times have changed. Due to EPA restrictions, the treatment used in post are not the same as just a few years ago. Concrete will rot a wood post off in just a few years. Utility companies have been using this type foam product around utility post for over 25 years. It holds up plus it waterproofs the post. Fast2K is one of the best ways to build a barn now. It is stronger than concrete and so much easier to work with.
@@TonysTractorAdventure that is very useful info - thank you so much for taking the time to explain that - So kind of you
Great video Tony !!!
Thank you
Thank you for the great video, effort and detail.
Thank you for watching.
Fast 2K!! I'll use that when I put in my flagpole 🇺🇲👍
It should stay!
Thank you so much for this
You're so welcome!
Have you seen the left hand bucket. When you pull it out there is a face of a child in the expanding foam. Look at it yourself and let me know if you see it has well. Kind regards David
Like Project Farm. Thanks for the comparison so I don't have to make the same mistake.
Glad we could help
Thanks
Thank you for this video!!!
You are so welcome!
I enjoyed this review. Fast2K performed beautifully! I'm working on a wood project where I am going to sink a stair step ballist in a beveled box I made. Possible to use a portion of a bag of Fast2K and keep the remainder for future use?
Anyway, thank you for the thorough and fair product review.
Joy. Pgh, PA
Once it is opened, it has to be used.
Pass along a hint to Fast 2K... Package product for us diyers!
Again, great review!
One package is enough for a small post hole. I doubt they will go much smaller than that. Most calls have been for larger packages.
building a deck and trying to avoid concrete, going to take your advice. if it fails i may haunt you, but nice video 😅
Just make sure that it's Fast 2k deck and post anchor. There's some other stuff on the market that is not worth buying.
Returning that sika sh1111t tomorrow
You will be better off. Thank you for watching my video.
Thank you for taking the time to share. Does it matter that you used the Sika fence post solution and not the deck anchor solution? It seems as though you were using the Fast 2k deck anchor solution, so you may not be comparing apples to apples. Just thought.
At the time of this video, Sika had only one formula. The biggest concern, is Sika putting out a bad product.
Great video. I noticed the first post was being pushed forward by the tractor more so than being pulled up. It seemed like the tractor was reversed more so on 2nd post than 1st post when pulled out. Thought? Thx
There is no perfect test in the field, but it will be the same result every time. Sika shrinks.
Excellent Test. Thank you.
You are welcome! We have used it for so many projects now. It is a bit more expensive than concrete, but makes up for it with way less work and a ton of benefits.
Did you do anything to your green posts to keep them from rotting? I burned the ends of mine and put tar foundation sealant on them. Then foamed them in.
Bonjour Tony
Super vidéo comme d'habitude
C'est très bien ce produit que tu emplois pour seller les poteaux.
Je vais me renseigner pour savoir si ça se vend en France.
Merci pour cette vidéo 👍
Je ne suis pas sûr qu'il soit vendu en France, mais j'espère que vous pourrez le trouver. Il est plus résistant que le béton et aide le poteau en bois à durer plus longtemps.
Excellent video. You helped me change my mind about using "any" foam. As the earth heats and cools, what will the foam be like in a year of contraction and expansion? I don't want to find out. Drove by a white plastic-type fence the other day and it's leaning over in multiple places - I'm probably right in guessing that someone used foam...
Thank you. Fast2k has been holding up utility lines around the US and Canada for almost 30 years. We built our pole barn, green house, solar panel mounts and fence using Fast2k. Years later, and it is holding perfectly. Everything went through an 80mph wind this year. Still perfect.
I used fast2k and it didn’t expand at all. I doubled the mixing time and it still didn’t expand much so I bought a bag of the sika and it expanded way to much which may not be good according to your video. I guess I will see tomorrow?
Siki shrinks. Fast2K holds.
I wish someone would tell if I can fast 2k on piers for my pier and beam foundation for my house. I know concrete will prematurely rot a wooden post.
I am going to build a house on it in the future! All of the certifications are on their website.
I did not know how good the 2K is, but I could have told you about the Sika. But, I will be using concrete. :-p
I have used Fast 2k on everything for the last 3 years without a single failure. Have had winds up to 80 miles per hour with two storms having 60 mph for winds.
@@TonysTractorAdventure Thanks. Yep, I have heard 2K is good for a long time, but never really looked into it. However, I have seen the results of Sika... BAD! I am old and have always used concrete. (Professional construction.) So, I can easily deduce what/how much I need. But, I checked out your video because I will do some post work in the near future and was considering foam. From what I know, with foam there is not as much leeway. You get a bag, (bags), mush it up and pour, use it all or waste what's left. That seems to be the downside for me. I do not like waste! Anyway, thanks for the video! (I have to research bag size/s, etc. For instance, the bag you used is designed for that application.)
BTW, I was considering foam for my home. My neighbor did a very bad job of setting posts with concrete and really messed up - encroached upon - my putting up a fence next to his. He's a great neighbor. He just hired a poor workman! I will probably work a deal with him just to tie into his fence with just enough extra support to keep everything up. (I seriously doubt we will wind up in a legal battle about his concrete on my property. :-) )
good video thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome. What a great comparison
Thank you
How is your barn doing after all this time? Any concern on wind push? I have really wanted to use this with a pad at bottom of hole and 3-2×6 poles. So many say you must have concrete due to wind... idk
Not one failure!
If you beat it with a hammer with the Fast2k chip/flake away? I am worried about dog potentially diging and chewing. He's dub around cement posts before but didn't chew. I don't know if the Fast2k would be more appetizing.
After first trying Fast2K, a portion mushroomed out of the hole. I walked up the next day and kicked it, thinking it would break off. I almost broke my foot. It was black and blue. True story! My dogs don't mess with the Fast2K. Bugs and animals don't like it.
thank you
You're welcome
As Yogi Berra said "it's just like deja vu all over again"
Am I crazy or have I seen this before? If I did I liked it both times.
Dave
Yes sir. The original video was corrupted by TH-cam. It happens from time to time. I had to release the video again. Thank you for watching it again.
@@TonysTractorAdventureYou're welcome. I will NOT watch a third time, though.
I don't blame you! 😂
I noticed there are two types of fast2k, fence post and deck anchor post. Can I use deck anchor post to set the fence post?
Yes. Deck anchor is the strongest of the two.
@@TonysTractorAdventure thank you so much for your response!!
I love this stuff. It is the real deal. Our pole barn made it through 80mph winds.
Great video
Thank you
Fast2k is structural. Sika is not. It's strictly for fence posts etc. And the hole must be around 6-8" round and at least 20" deep. Also sika needs to be used in 50- 80 degree temps.
Like I said, Sika sucks
No, it's just designed for certain applications. Just like everything else.
Y'all think fast2k would work well for galvanized fence post, that may sit in below water? I got a spot where I need to put up chain link fence. One of those post will be in a location that holds water for a couple days after a decent rain.
Yes. I used it on my backyard chain-linked fence. It is low and often wet. It is waterproof.
@@TonysTractorAdventure thanks
Great vid 👍
Glad you enjoyed
Sorry if I missed it. But how many bags of f2k for a 3’ hole?
They have a calculator on their website. It depends on how wide the hole is, how deep the hole is and how big the pole is. It also depends on how far to to top do you want it. I like my Fast2K to go to the top.
@@TonysTractorAdventure 👍working on it today. So far so good. Def needs two bags per post
Very educational
How many bags of Fast2k did it take for each post? How deep did you bury the posts? Gravel compacted at the bottom? How much bigger that the post did you make the hole? Thanks
Auger the hole the standard depth for your area. Put the post in. Put Fast2K in. You are done. The amount needed will be determined by your requirements.
would you feel comfortable using it for a gate post for 16 ft gate?
Yes, if you dig the hole 4 feet and fill the hole completely to the top with FAST2K.
Had bad luck with the sikita too
Sika should not be on the market IMO. FAST2K works just like it is advertised to do. I hate you had problems with the SIKA
@@TonysTractorAdventure just part of the learning curve. Keep up the great content brother. I pray that God blesses you and Tonya.
I love it keep up the good work
Tony, much of a cost difference between the products? And, anybody get back to you from either company ? Guessin not, but maybe that's why you're first video got pulled!!! (Just like the post !!!) LOL. Good stuff!
Fast2K cost $1 less. Fast 2K invited me to speak at the 2022 NFBA FRAME BUILDING EXPO. They love what we did, because SIKA was getting them a bad name. Videos, get corrupted on TH-cam time to time. It has happened before.
@@TonysTractorAdventure Cool, yer now a 'slebertiee' !!!
Good stuff, keep on growin!
Not quite a celebrity, but it is humbling.
Sounds good.
But.
How long will it last?
Concrete will outlast the wood.
Utility companies have been using it for over 25 years. It will make the post outlast concrete.
@@TonysTractorAdventure really?
I've never seen them use anything to set them.
Just back filled with dirt in a rrallly deep hole.
Sorry if I missed it but are they 4X4s and is the hole width 10 inches? I ask because I am going to sink a 6 by 6 about 5feet down in a 10" hole diameter for a PV top of pole mount. I am wondering if I can get away with a 8" hole. Thanks
Great comparison Tony. How does Fast 2K compare cost-wise to several bags of concrete? (post degradation issues aside)
You can't compare Fast2k to concrete. Concrete will rot off a treated post in 4 to 5 years. The post you can buy now are not like they use to be. Fast2K holds the post in the ground stronger and protects your investment.
It costs a little more than 2 bags of rapid set concrete, but you save a lot more in labor.
I actually save homeowners money using the foam. Sika didn't work for me either though.
I hate concrete, but I wouldn't use the foam if I thought it was a lesser, gimmick or trick. It's worth it all around
For a 6" post in a 9" hole, it's about $32 per post. About $8 for concrete. It's a great product if you're a TH-cam millionaire. 😊
Would you be able to use fast 2k on a post frame home?
It is rated for building in the US and Canada. I am looking at doing that.
@@TonysTractorAdventure thank you for your fast reply. I actually was able to get in touch with the manufacturer. I am working derictly with them on what I will need. But I learned about the product from you so thank you!
Thank god I got the fast 2k haha, prob shouldn’t look at these reviews after you vmbuy the stuff. Al
I bought a lesson buying the other stuff. Fast 2K has been awesome.
Every video I watch the Sika is always the worst performing one. I think the reason is that the Sika shrinks after curing. Good to know, so if I ever decide to use these foams at least I know which one not to buy.
Sika executives just threw up in their mouths...again, because they saw it last month too!!!!
Yep. I put the video out last month and the video was corrupted on the TH-cam platform. It happens from time to time. I did slim down the video before I put it out again.