Great take though, the fucking season is about the finals, not whoever the fuck the lakers are courting to be a coach, who cares, it’s irrelevant in that context
I fully expect when the Lakers go over that none of these guys will give them much credit even though (outside of house) they were pretty adamant they don’t see a way the Lakers go over.
As a Pistons fan, I can not overstate just how horrible Monty was last year. He set the franchise - and even worse the, the young players - back tremendously. No matter how anybody feels about JB Bickerstaff, he wants to be coaching in the NBA this year, and that's already a major improvement.
it generates eyeballs. people have a passing interest in sports, so this creates market demand that is satisfied by people creating content. grow up, lil bro. it's economic reality
The nice thing as a Kings fan is that the San Jose Sharks are fun to watch for the first time in 5 years so if the Kings have a disappointing season, we at least have something else to look forward to in the young Sharks team who has the number 1 pick, Macklin Celebrini. I definitely do think the Kings will be better this year than they were last year with their sophomore slump.
Argument for the Lakers over is the coach has to be able to make adjustments unlike last year. No Prince for 30 minutes per game. IF the superstars stay healthy again, they should be better than last year.
If preseason can be used as any sort of indicator for regular season, then I think the Warriors are going to shock people. Not saying they will be a true contender but I believe they are gonna rack up some regular season Ws.
They mentioned bad three point shooters that won't play, undersold others, pretended Lebron's shooting is an aberration and completely ignored the good shooters the team has. In other words, your standard Ringer effort when covering the Lakers.
The Suns are injury prone (KD and Beal), have pretty bad defense generally, have basically no rim protection and their most notable change in the offseason was changing the coach: Hammer the over, they might win the conference. The Lakers have two stars who are less injury prone, have a perennial DPOY-level player in AD and their most notable change in the offseason was changing the coach: Hammer the under, they may not make the playoffs. If you're going to give ESPN (deserved) shade for how awful their takes are, that's fine. If you want to hate on the Lakers, that's also fine, but to do it while screeching how great the Suns are going to be despite the fact they have worse versions of the same problems is hilarious. Stop pretending you're a better outlet when you constantly make the same mistakes, while just talking for longer.
The Bucks should have never fired Bud. Middleton's postseason injury, then the Giannis injury, and Butler and Co. playing out of their mind are to blame. I also don't think they should have traded Holiday. Hate to see it.
Giannis has been planting seeds of leaving for a while now. He pretty much put a gun to the organization to make The dame trade and now he just had a quote gaslighting the organization into trading him. If they lose before the conference finals this coming year, Giannis is definitely asking out.
Everybody picking the Pistons to win at least 26 games seems pretty wild. I'd be curious what they predicted they'd do last season, because I'm pretty sure lots of people predicted they'd take a step forward before and they ended up being the worst Pistons team of all time.
i know it's popular to shit on trae young and the hawks, but unlike last year's pacers, the hawks beat two healthy teams (as the underdog) before losing to the champs in 6 (btw, both giannis and trae missed two games in that series)...indiana played two heavily injured teams while being healthy, then got swept. the hawks' issue wasn't overrating their season, it was getting rid of talent before actually confirming the talent they had
Expect the Cavs to be closer to 60 wins than 50. People love to forget that Mobley came out of nowhere and was lighting it up for distance in the 2nd half of last year. He came back from injury and shot 41% on low volume. Expect that efficiency to dip a bit but the volume to rise. Dont be surprised if he's shooting 37-38% on 5 shots a game.
I still think the Cavs as built make no sense. They have 4 star calibre players but they overlap positions. The good news is that they have four All Star calibre players on reasonable contracts and a fix is still only a couple of trades away, but until then I can't see them as a 60 win team.
@@rafk2976 Mobley isn't a 5. That narrative really needs to die. With Garland, you may be right. But Atkinson is revamping the offense completely. If there is still an issue, there are options. Either way, don't be surprised to see Cleveland at the top of the standings and make it to the ECF this year.
I don't really care either way but I think it was last year that Bill said he wasn't going to consider Lebron's health or age when predicting the Lakers because it gets brought up every year and he's still one of the best players in the league. I guess he forgot this.
Lakers hate is interesting... apparently they got 'lucky' last year because their guys stayed healthy. Imagine Celtics without Tatum and Brown or Denver without Jokic.
lebron and AD both have histories of injury issues the past 5 years, tatum, brown, and jokic do not and are consistently healthy (also significantly younger)
You're missing the point - LeBron and AD are old, and AD in particular has an injury record. You'd expect them to miss more games than that, same isn't true for Tatum and Brown or Jokic.
Lakers: I think it's funny that people believe they will go under. They clearly did not like the coach all year. I am not putting anything on Ham, but they had like 355 different starting lineups, no consistency or roles were defined. I think they will get 50 wins or above this year. I like Reddick, but he is a rookie coach.
@@KtonV Have people thought the Suns will be better? I did not watch that section. I don't know how the Suns get better with Beal on the Roster, unless he makes some changes to his game. I also don't love the Roster changes they made, I love Tyus Jones....that one is huge, but they had a very very good coach last year. So I don't see how the minimal roster changes and a downgrade in coach will help.
He can never be objective about the lakers. LeBron is gonna miss 25 games because of age? But the Suns are going to be a 2nd seed? Between KD and LeBron I know which one looks like he’s lost a step and it’s not LeBron. Warriors had a great stretch to end the year and everyone said yeah that stretch was great this team could be good. Lakers had a great stretch the last 50 games of the season and they barely glossed over it.
when you guys are talking about the suns thinking they knew it all, you're including durant in that, right? not protecting him from criticism as usual? it's finally OK to say that he's had a part to play in his career post-gsw?
Stat Muse is so annoying lol. You have to reword your search so many times to get the right answer. It wants paid subscriptions, which makes me laugh lol. Basketball-Reference also does it lol.
Trae Young is a bucket... on both sides of the ball. I don't know why people are so high on inefficient scorers who can't defend to save their life. And he's not even a 40% 3pt shooter
Your take makes no sense, how are they easily finals contenders? Giannis has never carried a team to the finals, now his team is worse and the competition is greater, the year they won was so lucky with durants toe on the line etc.
@@enterpassword3313 they are definitely not worse and what teams should they be afraid of? Giannis took Boston to 7 without Middleton like two years ago
Under with indy, very lucky last last playing beat up teams especially in the playoffs. Definitely not as good as cavs, bucks, knicks, philly and boston. Regardless what kids think.
@@firstorder438 not true at all. Lebron, karl malone, and Kareem had some of the best longevity ever. Smaller players rely on speed and agility more which dissipates faster than strength.
Suns: 00:06
Kings: 07:56
Warriors: 13:07
Lakers: 18:47
Clippers: 25:18
Bucks: 32:43
Cavs: 40:50
Pacers: 48:58
Bulls: 55:10
Pistons: 01:02:57
TY
My man
Thank you!
Thank you!
Not all heroes wear capes
House doing a drive-by on Woj (@24:32) was just awesome.
House cookin’
Great take though, the fucking season is about the finals, not whoever the fuck the lakers are courting to be a coach, who cares, it’s irrelevant in that context
Lol. Not a House fan, but that was funny.
Love the investor relations calls
The real MVP candidate is Bill's Dr. J jacket.
Right? That shit is poppin in that sea of gray they got going on
Great jacket
Agreed!
Idk what Russillo ate for breakfast but he was on fire hilarious through all three parts
I’ve been listening to him lately and it definitely feels like he’s trying to dip his foot into a comedy career.
I fully expect when the Lakers go over that none of these guys will give them much credit even though (outside of house) they were pretty adamant they don’t see a way the Lakers go over.
10:33 Russillo’s bit on Kevin Huerter 🤣💀
He convinced me to go all in on Red Velvet!
Derozan on Sacramento is my #1 league pass watch to start this season. (from Chicago)
From Toronto. I love DD. He’s going to kill it therr
I love the J.E. Skeets shout out from No Dunks 😅
Best podcast of the year
"No serious person talks about the Lakers in a playoff run"
"Well ESPN will"
Bill stays taking shots at ESPN
As a Pistons fan, I can not overstate just how horrible Monty was last year. He set the franchise - and even worse the, the young players - back tremendously. No matter how anybody feels about JB Bickerstaff, he wants to be coaching in the NBA this year, and that's already a major improvement.
You could see it in the first game of preseason that these guys just need to get last years stench off them.
Getting rid of Bagley and Wiseman is an addition by subtraction.
Grown men sitting around talking about sports ball for HOURS it’s just amazing
You're so edgy, dude.
America
Then a thousand other grown men watching them for hours is amazing
I do this shit for free. These guys are getting paid. Quite the gig!
it generates eyeballs. people have a passing interest in sports, so this creates market demand that is satisfied by people creating content. grow up, lil bro. it's economic reality
The nice thing as a Kings fan is that the San Jose Sharks are fun to watch for the first time in 5 years so if the Kings have a disappointing season, we at least have something else to look forward to in the young Sharks team who has the number 1 pick, Macklin Celebrini. I definitely do think the Kings will be better this year than they were last year with their sophomore slump.
Argument for the Lakers over is the coach has to be able to make adjustments unlike last year. No Prince for 30 minutes per game. IF the superstars stay healthy again, they should be better than last year.
Kyle why are we posting part 2 before part 1 lol
@@Bryanmoore11 yea seriously man, some of us are hanging on by a thread over here
I take it back Kyle love you
Anyone know where part 3 is? Not YT or Apple Podcasts
@michaelgaddie8322 just not out yet
@@michaelgaddie8322 Yeah hope it's up soon. Wanna listen to them all in one
It costs $1088 dollars for 2 season tickets for the Blazers. That's $17 per person per game for the 300s section. Should be like $6 for this team.
shaedon sharpe is a problem!!
Shit. I'd buy a season ticket right now.
I live a few hours from Boston and 1 season ticket in a comparable section is $3k.
yall the best show out
Nice to see/hear podsters that are in the same room. HoopCollective should take notes
The return of Malik Mawnk
If preseason can be used as any sort of indicator for regular season, then I think the Warriors are going to shock people. Not saying they will be a true contender but I believe they are gonna rack up some regular season Ws.
It can't.
Pre season has never been a measure of anything.
They were 4-1 in the preseason last year, and the Raptors had the best preseason record in the east. Let's not use it as an indicator.
I honestly agree..
even the shooter dude (something something 3rd) who's gonna be no.13 on the team looks good. Their depth is incredible
Ryen’s look to bill when house said Halliburton in the Olympics 54:30 😂😂😂
JE skeets mentioned…
NO DUNKS!!!!
most wonderful time of the year
Why didn’t DALTON KNECHT get mentioned. He really will have a case for ROTY. He’s the 9th man
They mentioned bad three point shooters that won't play, undersold others, pretended Lebron's shooting is an aberration and completely ignored the good shooters the team has. In other words, your standard Ringer effort when covering the Lakers.
Love the JE Skeets shoutout
House is under appreciated. Always delivers cogent analysis
🤐
OKC, Minnesota, Knicks, Celtics all had a combined .500 record against the Lakers last year.
Tf we talking about they are in a 'separate tier'
What jacket is Bill wearing?
Julius erving
The Suns are injury prone (KD and Beal), have pretty bad defense generally, have basically no rim protection and their most notable change in the offseason was changing the coach: Hammer the over, they might win the conference.
The Lakers have two stars who are less injury prone, have a perennial DPOY-level player in AD and their most notable change in the offseason was changing the coach: Hammer the under, they may not make the playoffs.
If you're going to give ESPN (deserved) shade for how awful their takes are, that's fine. If you want to hate on the Lakers, that's also fine, but to do it while screeching how great the Suns are going to be despite the fact they have worse versions of the same problems is hilarious. Stop pretending you're a better outlet when you constantly make the same mistakes, while just talking for longer.
Russillo's hat fascinates me. Anyone know what the logo on the front is?
Was looking forward to this. Ball is back baby. 💙💙
Remember when bill said for years kawhi was more valuable then lebron because he’ll be playing further in the future?
30:22 I hate harden as much as bill does 😂
Is House not wearing a shirt underneath the qzip???
Are we ready to run back these comments yet? 25:25
Too soon? I’ll be waiting…
“You know lebron will miss 30 games” except literally the last time we saw them
Boston sports media guys downplaying the Lakers. An iconic duo.
Did house just say Hali was great in the Olympics? Lmao
The look russillo gives bill when he says that lmao
@@williamonchari5592 hilarious
53:40 would yall rather have Halliburton or Spida?
Mitchell hands down, 5 years may be different depending on age/health
It really depends if you ask me... Like for Indiana, I do prefer Halli, even though I think Mitchell is a better player
Everything went wrong for the Pacers in the regular season last year and they still hit 47 wins
and they will get siakim for a full year. they can be very good
Here after kawhi sidelined indefinitely to start the year lmao they gotta blow that shit up
The Bucks should have never fired Bud. Middleton's postseason injury, then the Giannis injury, and Butler and Co. playing out of their mind are to blame.
I also don't think they should have traded Holiday.
Hate to see it.
No plz stop making excuses. Miami was better than them just like 2020.
Warriors hitting the over for sure
Giannis has been planting seeds of leaving for a while now. He pretty much put a gun to the organization to make
The dame trade and now he just had a quote gaslighting the organization into trading him. If they lose before the conference finals this coming year, Giannis is definitely asking out.
The real MVP is the Huerter we trade along the way 🥹
Everybody picking the Pistons to win at least 26 games seems pretty wild. I'd be curious what they predicted they'd do last season, because I'm pretty sure lots of people predicted they'd take a step forward before and they ended up being the worst Pistons team of all time.
I’m a huge nfl fan but I like when Simmons talks basketball more. I feel like his football takes aren’t as nuanced
Brother, he literally wrote the book of BASKETBALL. This is his wheelhouse.
24:25 I think we should come to this point more often @HoopsTonight I am looking at you...
i know it's popular to shit on trae young and the hawks, but unlike last year's pacers, the hawks beat two healthy teams (as the underdog) before losing to the champs in 6 (btw, both giannis and trae missed two games in that series)...indiana played two heavily injured teams while being healthy, then got swept. the hawks' issue wasn't overrating their season, it was getting rid of talent before actually confirming the talent they had
Harden will be the test case for the new defensive rules
Bud had a DPOY on every team he has coached… Al Horford in Atlanta and Giannis in Milwaukee. He doesn’t have that in PHX.
32:42 "Speaking of Nepotism"
wheres part 1?
Woj catching strays 😂
Expect the Cavs to be closer to 60 wins than 50.
People love to forget that Mobley came out of nowhere and was lighting it up for distance in the 2nd half of last year. He came back from injury and shot 41% on low volume.
Expect that efficiency to dip a bit but the volume to rise. Dont be surprised if he's shooting 37-38% on 5 shots a game.
I still think the Cavs as built make no sense. They have 4 star calibre players but they overlap positions. The good news is that they have four All Star calibre players on reasonable contracts and a fix is still only a couple of trades away, but until then I can't see them as a 60 win team.
@@rafk2976 Mobley isn't a 5. That narrative really needs to die.
With Garland, you may be right. But Atkinson is revamping the offense completely. If there is still an issue, there are options. Either way, don't be surprised to see Cleveland at the top of the standings and make it to the ECF this year.
am I alone in thinking these guys are crazy to believe the suns could be as high as the two seed?
I was expecting to be pissed off when they got to the Kings but they didn’t say one unfair thing
I don't really care either way but I think it was last year that Bill said he wasn't going to consider Lebron's health or age when predicting the Lakers because it gets brought up every year and he's still one of the best players in the league. I guess he forgot this.
Just insane that there’s no timestamps and the commenters have to do it. Lol
Lakers hate is interesting... apparently they got 'lucky' last year because their guys stayed healthy. Imagine Celtics without Tatum and Brown or Denver without Jokic.
lebron and AD both have histories of injury issues the past 5 years, tatum, brown, and jokic do not and are consistently healthy (also significantly younger)
You're missing the point - LeBron and AD are old, and AD in particular has an injury record. You'd expect them to miss more games than that, same isn't true for Tatum and Brown or Jokic.
finally a pod with ryen
Pacers and Clippers segments were my favorite ones
Not even in an alternate universe is Booker an MVP candidate..
It’s not the Lakers Division. It’s the Pacific. And my Suns are going to own it
Who cares who comes in first place. I know the Suns don’t want to see the Lakers.
Haliburton gets injured and has to fight through hammy that tanks his jump shots. Loses Mathurin.
“Did everything go right for them?”
Compared to other teams,especially the playoffs. He'll yes it did.
House looks like he's going to take a massive L with that warriors prediction
Joe house have big head or tiny hat?
I also want to know: Joe House have big head or tiny hat?
Brooklyn would be best, since they have a bunch of young players who you could watch and evaluate.
S/o to J.E skeets no dunks 🔥
Lakers: I think it's funny that people believe they will go under. They clearly did not like the coach all year. I am not putting anything on Ham, but they had like 355 different starting lineups, no consistency or roles were defined. I think they will get 50 wins or above this year. I like Reddick, but he is a rookie coach.
It’s so interesting they put so much good faith in a coaching change for the Suns but don’t even consider it for the Lakers.
@@KtonV Have people thought the Suns will be better? I did not watch that section. I don't know how the Suns get better with Beal on the Roster, unless he makes some changes to his game. I also don't love the Roster changes they made, I love Tyus Jones....that one is huge, but they had a very very good coach last year. So I don't see how the minimal roster changes and a downgrade in coach will help.
Is that Prince lurking…
Funny when we get back to that lakers over under
He can never be objective about the lakers. LeBron is gonna miss 25 games because of age? But the Suns are going to be a 2nd seed? Between KD and LeBron I know which one looks like he’s lost a step and it’s not LeBron.
Warriors had a great stretch to end the year and everyone said yeah that stretch was great this team could be good. Lakers had a great stretch the last 50 games of the season and they barely glossed over it.
Tell Ryen to stop whispering in the beginning of his statements 😂 talk normal the whole time haha
when you guys are talking about the suns thinking they knew it all, you're including durant in that, right? not protecting him from criticism as usual? it's finally OK to say that he's had a part to play in his career post-gsw?
I mean, to be fair, they've come around and started to gently criticize him a bit over the last year. Way overdue, but at least it's something.
Stat Muse is so annoying lol. You have to reword your search so many times to get the right answer. It wants paid subscriptions, which makes me laugh lol. Basketball-Reference also does it lol.
Wheres part 1 wtf
Dame had an off year with a lot of change. He will be better this year.
no chance in hell the suns win 50 games bro😂
Rusillo is the goat except bill is also the goat
These guys just do coverage so they can gamble better.
Giannis will be in Denver in February
Yeah to play the nuggets 😅
No, Jokic will be in Milwaukee in February. February 27th, to be more precise.
Makes sense 😂
Bill named like 20 guards and Trae young who is a walking 25 and 10 wasnt named.......
That's probably because Trae Young isn't particularly good.
Trae Young is a bucket... on both sides of the ball. I don't know why people are so high on inefficient scorers who can't defend to save their life. And he's not even a 40% 3pt shooter
I love how bad the Lakers are.
The Bucks takes just make no sense. They have zero respect for them and as long as Giannis is healthy they are finals contenders easily
😂 you my friend are lost in the sauce…this ain’t 2021. Too many good players and better teams…Giannis ain’t even gonna get another mvp
@@colinsmith7199giannis still 2 best player itw
@@NostradamussSchalkenot really, he can barely finish a shot outside of 5ft. Good defensive teams can exploit his weakness
Your take makes no sense, how are they easily finals contenders? Giannis has never carried a team to the finals, now his team is worse and the competition is greater, the year they won was so lucky with durants toe on the line etc.
@@enterpassword3313 they are definitely not worse and what teams should they be afraid of? Giannis took Boston to 7 without Middleton like two years ago
You guys didn't mention the fact that Lebron and Bronny will be the first father-son duo to play in a NBA game ever when talking about the Lakers!
L.A. Lakers 2024: We Did It for the Memes.
Put chapters in these videos ffs
I love this pod but that evil Vince McMahon staring at us from behind Bill is hella distracting.
Not mentioning kai and kpj as the the pickups is crazy
No one cares about those bozos
Release Part 1 now 🤬🤬🤬
MARION MENTION
You guys have clearly never been to the Sher club in the Raptors arena. One visit from Ryen and it would be in the top 5-10 on his list lol
Leonard is done for the season.
Under with indy, very lucky last last playing beat up teams especially in the playoffs. Definitely not as good as cavs, bucks, knicks, philly and boston. Regardless what kids think.
the ringer needs to hire like a youtube guy their channels are OOFIE
Russilo is so bad he literally jus be bapping
House's love for Giannis is sometimes unbearable...
Shoutout to the moronic TH-cam algorithm showing me “Part 2” 1st
Part 2 was released before Part 1 for some reason
@@josiahbartlet7840 lmao thanks for letting me know…my point about TH-cam’s algorithm being stupid still stands
@@bobafarts9949 it shouldn't bobafarts9949 😔
but you don't have to click on Part 2, no?
Giannis is 29 but bill always inflates his age when convenient
To be fair usually big athletic big men age in dog years in the NBA.
He does it often. He'll say guards don't age well, then big guys don't age well.
@@firstorder438 not true at all. Lebron, karl malone, and Kareem had some of the best longevity ever. Smaller players rely on speed and agility more which dissipates faster than strength.