Great vid guys, love the team up! I'm not expecting massive changes from Warcry 3.0 I think the fact that theyre still supporting compendium and UW fighters in FAQ now is a good sign they'll still be in the game in the next edition. But I do think we'll see a culling of the older chaos bespokes and some of the no longer available models/factions at the start of 3.0
My regrets : -We didn't get a Beasts of Chaos warband...in the freaking Realm of Beasts! But it was to be expected. I will still say on my deathbed that GW really did them dirty, and that just leaving them in the Old World is not what they deserved. My wishes : -Not really sure what we would need for a 3rd edition to be honest, but I would actually like if there were ways to play Bespoke warbands' stuff into their main faction a bit more easily than with allies. It's not a bad system per say, but it feels weird to have to "ally" my Royal Beastflayers into FEC or vice-versa. But maybe I'm just the one weird one for wanting that X) -Speaking of bespoke warbands, if there is a 3rd edition, GW please look at the rules for the weaker ones. I want stuff like Claws of Karanak to feel like I have a realistic chance of using some of their abilities, but they are both hard to activate and don't really give you a lot. And I'm sure they aren't the only ones in need of some tweaks. -Still hoping for more monsters for all factions as well! Some big crocodile monster, or a giant Mantis for Sylvaneth...the possibilities are endless! -Would be nice to have a proper big Talaxis Ruin. We have bits, but there is something lacking after all that time spent looking for it. -For the next Realm...anything really, but since we seemed to be in the Realm of Fire, I don't mind staying there a bit longer, as long as we get some stuff to go along with it. Maybe some Volcanic decor could be really cool.
Ironjawz are tricky. The standard brute kit is not due for an update, but eventually it could be rebooted as a warband like the Ogor Gorgers. In the meantime, the only thought I had was a Boar Herder, riding a juvenile grunta and leading a pack of gruntlets. Maybe the elites are goblin assistants riding gruntlets. They have never made a cavalry unit specifically for Warcry, which makes me a little skeptical about this concept or spider riders being released as warcry products, but a new edition is the best chance for a paradigm shift. GW may choose to emulate killteam and underworld's business model, but it might be that warcry serves them best as a sales driver for existing lines. Warcry is both a 'vertical' avenue between Underworld and AoS, and a 'horizontal' pathway encouraging players to branch out into other factions. The 2-3 kits used to build a generic faction warband might be a better nucleus for a new AoS army than a single bespoke kit. Regardless of what direction they go in, I expect future warcry releases to be more integrated into their AoS ranges in a way that reduces the rules overhead for both game systems.
I love Gloomspite, but it feels like we've already got enough goblins riding things - especially if/when the new Gitmob models get Warcry rules - I think I'd prefer for them to go harder on the Gobbapalooza angle of a bunch of crazy pseudo shamans - maybe as a warband they came across a particularly weird mushroom patch which drastically increased their affinity for magic - the Mushroomancer is an incredible model, and I'd love for a whole warband themed around hallucinations becoming reality
I always wanted the Ruins of Talaxis to be a ruined overland fallen city vibe w weird seraphon starship stuff adding pizzazz. But it sure feels like ruined city a la spearhead terrain would be a great vibe, especially w good rooves and verticality
In terms of packaging bespoke warbands to make newcomer lists easier, one idea could be to include a couple example lists named after specific themes or game plans of that faction in the rules booklet of that box. For example if you want this fast control list use models A B C and D. Or if you want these bigger punchy units use A C E and F.
I have been hoping for an Ulgu flavored setting since after I saw the first Meat Tree. Considering how Warcry has historically been the vanguard of pushing the story line along in AoS in general, I actually kind of doubt Aqshy will be the feature setting. Especially since they will need an excuse to release those extra and inevitable Skaven warband. Gloomspite seems to have some representation in Ulgu as well. To see both of those in a single box... oh man. Insta buy. As a fan of the original bespoke warbands, I fear for the future though. Mostly because I refuse to give them up, and I end up being some change resistant luddite who considers the game "Complete", like we see with Mordheim. Though with as casual as my group seems to be, nobody is going to bat an eye about bringing everything forward regardless of GW's pointed omission.
I think thr Vanguard Hunters for Stormcast are in the same spot as Gutter Runners. Old versions in the new Stormcast battletome, but with newer sculpts for other Vanguard figures (eg. Palladirs). Vanguard vs Gutter Runners in Ulgu? On Ulgu, theyre also puahing Belakor in Slaves to Darkness battletome - mentioning his realm as well. Maybe the narrative is leaning there?
Ironjawz have that anvil/forger hero in AoS that didn't get Warcry rules. A warband based on smithing with anvils, big hammers and white hot metal could be cool!
@Lostward_Bound woah that could look so cool! We already have an analog for that within Gloomspite Gitz with squig herders, so seeing the Ironjaws "big version" would be really neat.
Instant like, loving this unexpected team-up.
@optimalgamestate I've wanted to do something with Dave forever, glad we finally got to connect
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@@Saul-WarbossKurgan 😂
Dan was incredibly patient with the hellscape that is my diary 😁. Next year, perhaps the three of us? ;)
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Great vid guys, love the team up!
I'm not expecting massive changes from Warcry 3.0 I think the fact that theyre still supporting compendium and UW fighters in FAQ now is a good sign they'll still be in the game in the next edition.
But I do think we'll see a culling of the older chaos bespokes and some of the no longer available models/factions at the start of 3.0
Fascinating, love the lore and insights
My regrets :
-We didn't get a Beasts of Chaos warband...in the freaking Realm of Beasts! But it was to be expected.
I will still say on my deathbed that GW really did them dirty, and that just leaving them in the Old World is not what they deserved.
My wishes :
-Not really sure what we would need for a 3rd edition to be honest, but I would actually like if there were ways to play Bespoke warbands' stuff into their main faction a bit more easily than with allies. It's not a bad system per say, but it feels weird to have to "ally" my Royal Beastflayers into FEC or vice-versa. But maybe I'm just the one weird one for wanting that X)
-Speaking of bespoke warbands, if there is a 3rd edition, GW please look at the rules for the weaker ones. I want stuff like Claws of Karanak to feel like I have a realistic chance of using some of their abilities, but they are both hard to activate and don't really give you a lot. And I'm sure they aren't the only ones in need of some tweaks.
-Still hoping for more monsters for all factions as well! Some big crocodile monster, or a giant Mantis for Sylvaneth...the possibilities are endless!
-Would be nice to have a proper big Talaxis Ruin. We have bits, but there is something lacking after all that time spent looking for it.
-For the next Realm...anything really, but since we seemed to be in the Realm of Fire, I don't mind staying there a bit longer, as long as we get some stuff to go along with it. Maybe some Volcanic decor could be really cool.
It was an absolute pleasure! Thanks for having me on the channel, Dan! 🙌
WALRUS FTW! 🦭
The Gaol of Kragnos is the mountain Kragnos was trapped within until he broke out.
Ironjawz are tricky. The standard brute kit is not due for an update, but eventually it could be rebooted as a warband like the Ogor Gorgers. In the meantime, the only thought I had was a Boar Herder, riding a juvenile grunta and leading a pack of gruntlets. Maybe the elites are goblin assistants riding gruntlets. They have never made a cavalry unit specifically for Warcry, which makes me a little skeptical about this concept or spider riders being released as warcry products, but a new edition is the best chance for a paradigm shift.
GW may choose to emulate killteam and underworld's business model, but it might be that warcry serves them best as a sales driver for existing lines. Warcry is both a 'vertical' avenue between Underworld and AoS, and a 'horizontal' pathway encouraging players to branch out into other factions. The 2-3 kits used to build a generic faction warband might be a better nucleus for a new AoS army than a single bespoke kit. Regardless of what direction they go in, I expect future warcry releases to be more integrated into their AoS ranges in a way that reduces the rules overhead for both game systems.
I love Gloomspite, but it feels like we've already got enough goblins riding things - especially if/when the new Gitmob models get Warcry rules - I think I'd prefer for them to go harder on the Gobbapalooza angle of a bunch of crazy pseudo shamans - maybe as a warband they came across a particularly weird mushroom patch which drastically increased their affinity for magic - the Mushroomancer is an incredible model, and I'd love for a whole warband themed around hallucinations becoming reality
A real Daughters of Khaine warband would be wonderful
I always wanted the Ruins of Talaxis to be a ruined overland fallen city vibe w weird seraphon starship stuff adding pizzazz. But it sure feels like ruined city a la spearhead terrain would be a great vibe, especially w good rooves and verticality
In terms of packaging bespoke warbands to make newcomer lists easier, one idea could be to include a couple example lists named after specific themes or game plans of that faction in the rules booklet of that box. For example if you want this fast control list use models A B C and D. Or if you want these bigger punchy units use A C E and F.
I have been hoping for an Ulgu flavored setting since after I saw the first Meat Tree. Considering how Warcry has historically been the vanguard of pushing the story line along in AoS in general, I actually kind of doubt Aqshy will be the feature setting.
Especially since they will need an excuse to release those extra and inevitable Skaven warband. Gloomspite seems to have some representation in Ulgu as well. To see both of those in a single box... oh man. Insta buy.
As a fan of the original bespoke warbands, I fear for the future though. Mostly because I refuse to give them up, and I end up being some change resistant luddite who considers the game "Complete", like we see with Mordheim. Though with as casual as my group seems to be, nobody is going to bat an eye about bringing everything forward regardless of GW's pointed omission.
I think thr Vanguard Hunters for Stormcast are in the same spot as Gutter Runners. Old versions in the new Stormcast battletome, but with newer sculpts for other Vanguard figures (eg. Palladirs). Vanguard vs Gutter Runners in Ulgu?
On Ulgu, theyre also puahing Belakor in Slaves to Darkness battletome - mentioning his realm as well. Maybe the narrative is leaning there?
Ironjawz have that anvil/forger hero in AoS that didn't get Warcry rules. A warband based on smithing with anvils, big hammers and white hot metal could be cool!
@combo554 that would be incredible, and that Anvil squig was so cool we need more
Is this a salty rumorwang?!
😅...I mean, you're not wrong
I haven't finished the video yet, but as a thought, if the setting is on a coast, that would give Idoneth a good way into the game
Iron-Jaws what about a pig farmer war band with 3 baby pigs and trio of orc herders
@Lostward_Bound woah that could look so cool! We already have an analog for that within Gloomspite Gitz with squig herders, so seeing the Ironjaws "big version" would be really neat.
I want Shadow Ironjawz with tiger stripe purple came body paint a la Schwarzenegger in Commando